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Edited by Generic_username
Posted by Minalear
Posted by Generic_username

Watching these again, and I forgot how ANGRY people get at the way they play. I mean, they beat it, didn't they? And they enjoyed it, too. They were in no way "playing it wrong" when they were generally successful and also having a good time.

Also, I really don't get the joke about posting the next episode's link.

Posted by Duffyside
Posted by Zeik

@Marokai: Naoto is better for dungeon crawling encounters, but she's pretty lousy for boss fights. I found her useful when I switched around my party regularly and used everyone, but as far as a full time party member I would definitely go with Chie over Naoto. (Even though I did make her a full time party member during one of my playthroughs.)

Posted by Marokai
@MooseyMcMan: Naoto is at least better than Chie in battle.
Posted by shinluis

Something changed inside of Vinny. He has now mastered the Player Advantage mechanics =)

Posted by PerfidiousSinn

Little did they know, Masukujaka would be the only attack that could kill the final boss...

Edited by Undeadpool

Something I noticed this time around: the Homunculus REALLY only should work for the main character. It's completely wasted on one of your party members who you can resurrect. 
And Megidola...uuugh, the spell that is waaaay more effective every single time an enemy uses it, thus tricking you over and over into thinking it's any good.

Posted by Talon64

Yeah, watching it through the first time they suck at a lot of things. Although they use more actual strategy than I ever did, mostly because they need to. lol
 
For me, with boss battles it's Yosuke and Teddie all the way, with either Yukiko or Kanji as my 3rd member. Depends on whether I want to use Kanji or the MC for matarukaja, because one of them plus Yosuke's masakukaja and Teddie with marakukaja means a 100% buffed party almost all the time. I barely get touched and the boss gets wrecked.
 
But it's usually Yukiko, those 3 have the best magic and with boost and amp they're dealing +75% magic damage. So that's even more boss wreckage. And with the right party order the first 3 buff and then Yukiko gets first crack at attacking.
 
But the Heaven dungeon and the plethora of light/dark weak enemies is perfect for Naoto, even the boss since mind charge/megidola does pretty decent damage.

Posted by Marokai

 I remembered watching through the second time that the amount of criticism Vinny had for Naoto was just ridiculous and borderline petty.
 
He complains about her taking too much damage in this episode, even though they didn't have her equipped with even reasonably updated armor (when they finally did properly equip her, her old armor was nearly half as effective as the Chie armor they put on her, so no shit she was taking so much damage).
 
He complained in one of the episodes about her MP consumption, but the first time he complained about her MP use a couple videos ago, Naoto actually had more as a share of her MP than everyone aside from Charlie. Her total amount of MP also nearly rivals that of Yukiko.
 
In the process of also complaining about her MP consumption, Vinny continuously casts ridiculously expensive spells like Megidola (not mind charging them even though that is the perfect spell to Mind Charge even though Jeff actually mocked the idea twice) instead of focusing on her physical spells. In fact, in the first video they used Naoto, Vinny whined throughout the entire video about her MP but I don't think he used her physical spell (Deathbound) more than once.

He also complains about her damage, even though he wastes MP on crap damage spells, like Garuda's Garudyne that never breaks double digits. In the first video they used Naoto and complained about her damage, they almost immediately cast Black Frost's Maragion which did about half as much damage as Naoto's Megidola!

It just irritated me watching through these a second time how forced and unfounded all the criticism of Naoto was when all the things they were complaining about were their own damn fault. Especially since Chie at this point in the game sucked, still using Mabufu. Chie was far worse than Naoto until she finally got God's Hand which was basically just before the end of the game. Especially since they were talking so much about how Naoto was useless in a boss fight. What was Chie contributing up to this point? Power Charged Heat Waves. Come on.

/sigh

Posted by Hourai

Honestly, they should have replaced Chie with Teddie as soon as they got him. He has some good ice spells, healing, and that party attack buff. Chie is pretty weak in comparison. 

Edited by MrBubbles

cant wait for my copy of persona 4 to arrive so i can get naoto to 10 and kanji to 10

Posted by strangeling
Posted by Xymox

I wonder if they will start giving those pop quizzes some sweet X-pushing treatment soon. 
Because if I remember correctly, they're maxed out on all abilities and S-links that get boosted by the quizzes. And don't you always get to know the correct answer if you get the answer wrong? 

Posted by allhailthetv
@cjo: You're right. They should pick Chie. Naoto sucks for boss fights, and since they're so lazy that they're only going through the dungeon once, Naoto can't help them. I wish they would keep everyone up to date, but since they're not, don't waste Chie EXP on Naoto. 
 
Kanji and Teddie are awesome throughout the game, and I still wish they would acknowledge that. After the next main boss, I stop using Yosuke for bosses. I stopped taking Yukiko into boss fights (even though I still level my unused characters) after Kanji. Chie + Kanji + Teddie= best party for end of game. After I got Kanji, I never went into a boss fight without him.
Posted by SaraHysaro
@DRE7777 said:
"

This is wierd thing to say, but i think Persona 5 needs to adress the party leveling problem by having a mechanic sorta like the one in paper mario (I know i said it was a wierd thing to say but here me out) where you go into the battle with the group of 4 but can take someones turn to substitute when needed and everyone gains xp, levels, and learns skills. It would make the combat more in depth and fun.

"

You mean like what they had in FFX and FFXII? Yeah, that would be pretty cool. =) 
 
I don't thing dropping Masukukaja will hurt them too badly. It may be useful (more useful than Sonic Punch), but you don't necessarily need it. If you really needed it you could just fust a persona with that spell. On the bright side, when (if) they get Yosuke up high enough to learn Brave Blade at least it won't be a tough decision to make about where to put it.
Posted by DRE7777

This is wierd thing to say, but i think Persona 5 needs to adress the party leveling problem by having a mechanic sorta like the one in paper mario (I know i said it was a wierd thing to say but here me out) where you go into the battle with the group of 4 but can take someones turn to substitute when needed and everyone gains xp, levels, and learns skills. It would make the combat more in depth and fun.

Edited by MagikGimp

That's the first time you guys have not cleared a floor completely. Also until now I've never noticed the comic-book words that appear when you physically attack a shadow, cool.

Edited by Zeik

I lol 'd when they said Mind Charge + Megidolaon was pointless when that's the type of move that needs Mind Charge the most. Mind Charging something like Agidyne is pointless, it just costs you more MP in the end. Mind Charging Megido Skills will let you do over twice the damage for less than the normal cost of casting it twice.

Posted by Gahzoo

They didn't get rid of Sonic Punch >_<

Posted by RVonE
@eduardo:
Agreed. Or perhaps it should be possible to roll with all characters at the same time. That would be great--of course, the battles would have to become more difficult/complex to compensate for the larger party.
Posted by eduardo
@RVonE said:
" @cjo said:
"I know it's been said a billion times, but for real, you guys need to pick Naoto or Chie and never, ever switch back. They get further behind and less useful every time you do it.  "
Yes, this is absolutely crucial. Although I'm way in favor of choosing Chie over Naoto, they need to pick one of them and stick with that character (or they need to invest in seriously levelling both girls, but we all know that is not the road they will take). "
I hope Persona 5 has some sort of XP share feature like in other RPGs, because I had the same issue with Persona 3, with too many useful characters being left behind due to the group limitations.
Posted by RVonE
@cjo said:
"I know it's been said a billion times, but for real, you guys need to pick Naoto or Chie and never, ever switch back. They get further behind and less useful every time you do it.  "

Yes, this is absolutely crucial. Although I'm way in favor of choosing Chie over Naoto, they need to pick one of them and stick with that character (or they need to invest in seriously levelling both girls, but we all know that is not the road they will take).
Posted by cjo

I know it's been said a billion times, but for real, you guys need to pick Naoto or Chie and never, ever switch back. They get further behind and less useful every time you do it. 

Posted by Urmean
Dumping masukukaja for Tentarafuoo
 
what
Posted by Eirikr
@legendary1: They aren't reading spreadsheets and equations on how to play the game perfectly. They like using Chie because they like her as a character. You know, fun and all that. It can sometimes be a strange concept.
Posted by ashogo
@Earthborn said:
" The endurancing is getting endurancinger, if you know what I mean. "
what the hell do you mean?
Posted by moji22

Masukukaja was a good support skill for Yosuke, but I guess it can be overlooked. Vinny and Jeff should make a Trumpeter, he'll compensate for most buffs/debuffs they might be missing (Debilitate makes boss fights a whole lot easier).
 
I think the guys will enjoy using Chie in a couple of levels/episodes, after she learns Power Charge + God Hand and... Agneyestra? It's that comet move that does massive physical to all. Know it won't be till later, but Chie'll make a comeback with those moves. 

Posted by legendary1
@FrankCanada97 said:
" @legendary1: They've pretty much abandoned Kanji now. "
didnt say they were using him, just that chie has the worst damage of anyone in game (pretty sure Naoto gets higher if you spam almighty with the half SP item)
Posted by endaround

Masukukaja is great because kghelps both offense and defense.  Nothing sucks more than power charging God's Hand and missing.  Also with Yosuke and Chie plus some agility /evasion items you'll never get hit again with Masukukaja. 
 
Tentarafoo nevestops working by the way.  It plows through the big cats in every dungeon.

Posted by FrankCanada97
@legendary1: They've pretty much abandoned Kanji now.
Edited by legendary1

 Too bad about Masukukaja. That + Debilitate from Trumpeter pretty much makes every boss battle a piece of cake (though Debilitate alone does that in and of itself well enough).
 

@hakunin

said:

" @dirtyfootprints said:

" yall should stop bringing chie in at all. yeah, i know yall like her better, but if you're using her for ice than i am sure that teddie will level up after almost every fight and get awesome ice hella fast.  and, from what i remember from my experience with the game, teddie has a stronger physical if you equip em with the right weapon. just a suggestion, guys. "

Nope. Kanji has the highest strength stat so on paper he's the strongest in the party (not counting yourself of course) but Chie + Tarukaja + Power Charge + God's Hand is the hardest hitting phys attack in the game. "
Dude... Hassou Tobi is like 3x stronger then God Hand. Kanji's skill (cant remember name atm) does more damage used 2x in a row then power charged God Hand. Its sad, I know, but Chie is rather weak compared to the other characters (though more then powerful enough to beat anything you come across). Crap about teddie being stronger physically then chie is flat out wrong though.
Posted by artofwar420

Lol, poor Black Frost.

Posted by ExitDose

Guys, it's time to put Black Frost out to pasture.

Posted by destruktive

Let's hope Vinnie's girlfriend doesn't see this episode ;)

Posted by lishi

 Masukukaja  like many other stat defense skill is quite useful.
 
It is the difference from getting game-over and winning with difficulty.  And certainly its better then sonic punch or even diarama ( if you are in a pinch you are better off using some more potent item instead of a meager 100-120hp)
 
But hey its not the first error they made and it won't be the last, persona 4 at normal its pretty forgiving they managed so far they will do again.

Posted by bahimiron

 Duders, please. Tam Lin is a guy. Stop saying she.
 
And, man, this Endurance Run has been huge. It turned me from a guy who hadn't played a JRPG since Final Fantasy VII into a guy who has purchased FF Anthology, FF IX, Golden Sun, Devil Survivor, Grandia and dug out his Dreamcast for Skies of Arcadia. Watching you guys play made me want to play. So that's great. Too bad I never got a PS2, so I'm stuck DS and PS1 era games.
 
Still, oh, man, knowing just about as much about the system as you guys, it's killing me to see you make some of your decisions. Like the part where you had Black Frost in and were going to AE nuke some dudes with fire, but remembered that one had a reflect spell up, so you changed out for Garuda and did an AE with wind so you wouldn't take damage when he reflected. Guys! Guys! With Black Frost, not only would you not have taken damage, you would have healed for it! It would've been a big AE damage spell AND a heal! How awesome is that? SO AWESOME!
 
And for the love of god, use your items. You've got way more money than you have SP at any given time. All those 200 HP healing items can easily be replaced. So if you use those between battles, you won't be wasting SP between the battles.
 
Anyway, I'm loving it and I still love you, Vinny. Chie 4ever. 

Posted by yyZiggurat

Naoto looks like Dirty Harry with her new gun.

Edited by RVonE
@MiserableGerm said:

"CHIE GETS GOD HAND 
 
VINNY 
 
CHIE GETS GOD HAND 
 
JEFF 
 
CHIE GETS GOD HAND 
 
BOTH OF YOU 
 
CHIE GETS GOD HAND "

This. 
 
I really don't understand why some people have been screaming how Chie's worthless for the past few episodes. I mean, you don't use Chie for ice but for physical. Her heat wave did plenty of damage in the last boss battle. Oh and she will get GOD's HAND! 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN9anIob3wM&feature=channel_page     
Posted by Konanda

Wow really should put Mage's Mark on Naoto, and keeping sonic punch over Masukukaja was a really dumb idea. Also Chie's only use in the end game is being able to crush bosses with God hand + Power Charge for everything else she's pretty terrible. Naoto is the better pick especially with Mages Mark or even better the accessory that halves SP useage.
Posted by Onomarchus

I don't think I quite realized this while I was playing through Heaven myself, but this dungeon is absolutely horrifying, more so than any other video game dungeon I remember playing. The entire theme is Nanako's repressed desire to be dead so she can be in Heaven with her dead mother. I imagine today and every day I live children will be killing themselves for an identical reason. Sort of beats the pants off Dark-Dungeon-With-Creepy-Things-That-Will-Bite-You.

Posted by Origina1Penguin

Naoto blocks light and dark when you s.link her to 10.  I think she also becomes strong to fire.
 
Keep it up!  It's great to come home from work to the Endurance Run.

Posted by RagingLion

The guys clearly have just completely forgotten about Sonic Punch.  It's part of the background when they check out Yosuke because they're so used to seeing it there.  I don't think they really realise it''s still there.  So it's not that they're making a bad decision - they're just completely missing something that's right in front of them.

Posted by Leadcat

sadly Chie isn't much good for Ice, physical is what she gets real good at.
 
Teddie is your dude if you want strong ice spells.

Posted by Carlos1408

The Endurance Run is still awesome, and still endures! Keep it up guys, you're almost there! :D
Posted by kerikxi

Know you don't wanna hear it, but I really think it's time to switch Chie for Teddie.

Posted by Nizzleworth
@ShaunM said:
" @gakon5 said:
" @JeffGoldblum said:
" Persona 3's main character has a voice actor? He says about as much as the Persona 4 MC. "
Dude, someone had to heroically shout the names of all 170+ Personas! "
Believe it or not, it's the same voice actor that did the voice for Yosuke in P4. "
and in P4 it's Adachi!
Posted by Nizzleworth

God damn I love the music in this dungeon.

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