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Posted by plapshapaul

Wake up people, pc isn't the only platform with massive amounts of pirated content.

As for fable 3... I was kinda looking forward to it and it's a shame they pushed the release date for the pc version, but then again it's something that we, the pc gamers, have grown accustomed to the "persecution".

Luckily, as oDawg stated, some developer still focus on this platform and despite micro$$oft's best efforts have kept it alive and kicking with quality titles. 

Posted by dr_pineapple
@zaglis: lol
Posted by krazy_kyle
@Lazyaza:
PC's shouldn't have a similar service because its already been done and it failed, i.e. Games for Windows LIVE
Posted by krazy_kyle

Microsoft don't care as much about the PC as they do about the Xbox. 
 
Why? Because it just boils down to one single reason... Money. 
 
PC games dont make as much money as console games, so microsoft mainly focus on the consoles and give us PC gamers the scraps from the table
Posted by G0rd0nFr33m4n
@oDawg: @oDawg said:
" @G0rd0nFr33m4n said:
" @oDawg said:   "But I'm sure microsoft is going to push back eventually now that Apple is threatening to take over what is left of the pc gaming market. " What the fuck are you smoking? I don't know the last time you looked at the screenshots of SC2 on the mac but it looks god - fucking - awful. As far as gaming is concerned, macs are still years and years away from being comparable. I will agree the valve is supporting the mac, but they only do so because valve loves money and they recognize trends, and right now every tween with their daddy's credit card has an apple product. But we both know, Valve will always be a PC 1st company; and if you think otherwise, then you sir, are crazy.   As far as I am concerned macs will always have Plants Vs. Zombie games, I'm not going to argue that, but it will be a very long time indeed (or possibly never) before we see an outside companies such as Bethesda or THQ putting their games out on PCs and macs, let alone macs only.  "
Really good shit believe me. I don't disagree with you, but you don't really disagree with me so I'll keep smoking it.  Orange Box is great on macs, and orange box is some sweet gaming. Then again so is plants vs zombies. "
 
Yes, I'm a huge fan of Valve's as well, but they release a game every 4 - 6 years, having them on board helps a lot (in terms of bringing quality to the mac) but isn't really them "taking over the gaming market". 
 
Also I should state I bought Plants vs. Zombies not 24 hours ago and have been playing it on my PC ( ;P ) and must say its pretty damn fun as well. 
Edited by diskotyque

  "Accurate or not"? What? Whether or not MS put  enough effort into its support of the PC as a gaming platform is actually a subject of debate???  Please interview someone from PC Gamer magazine (or the like) and ask for their opinion on the subject. 
 
Microsoft want people viewing advertisements, in a system MS have total control over, and paying an annual subscription fee for the pleasure. I guess market research shows that PC gamers are less likely to spend €5 on a costume for their avatar, or buy jpegs ( themes) at €3 a-pop.

Posted by oDawg
@G0rd0nFr33m4n said:
" @oDawg said:   "But I'm sure microsoft is going to push back eventually now that Apple is threatening to take over what is left of the pc gaming market. " What the fuck are you smoking? I don't know the last time you looked at the screenshots of SC2 on the mac but it looks god - fucking - awful. As far as gaming is concerned, macs are still years and years away from being comparable. I will agree the valve is supporting the mac, but they only do so because valve loves money and they recognize trends, and right now every tween with their daddy's credit card has an apple product. But we both know, Valve will always be a PC 1st company; and if you think otherwise, then you sir, are crazy.   As far as I am concerned macs will always have Plants Vs. Zombie games, I'm not going to argue that, but it will be a very long time indeed (or possibly never) before we see an outside companies such as Bethesda or THQ putting their games out on PCs and macs, let alone macs only.  "
Really good shit believe me. I don't disagree with you, but you don't really disagree with me so I'll keep smoking it.  Orange Box is great on macs, and orange box is some sweet gaming. Then again so is plants vs zombies.
Edited by G0rd0nFr33m4n
@oDawg said:  
 
"But I'm sure microsoft is going to push back eventually now that Apple is threatening to take over what is left of the pc gaming market. "
 
What the fuck are you smoking? I don't know the last time you looked at the screenshots of SC2 on the mac but it looks god - fucking - awful. As far as gaming is concerned, macs are still years and years away from being comparable. I will agree the valve is supporting the mac, but they only do so because valve loves money and they recognize trends, and right now every tween with their daddy's credit card has an apple product. But we both know, Valve will always be a PC 1st company; and if you think otherwise, then you sir, are crazy.  
 
As far as I am concerned macs will always have Plants Vs. Zombie games, I'm not going to argue that, but it will be a very long time indeed (or possibly never) before we see an outside companies such as Bethesda or THQ putting their games out on PCs and macs, let alone macs only. 
Posted by FreakAche

Are people actually playing stuff like Fable on the PC. I thought console action games generally had lousy PC ports.

Posted by Faint

get halo 3 and gears 2 on pc already. i dont own a 360 but id play them on windows. fact.

Posted by piropeople13
@oDawg said:
" Brad,  You are a journalist covering video games, please tell me you agree Microsoft has done everything it can to kill PC gaming (by making their pc gaming services inferior to their 360 ones). Valve and Blizzard kept it alive against Microsofts wishes and now Apple is starting to target gamers.    Games for Windows Live has been pure crap - a halfass port of their console services. They keep blocking develoeprs from releasing games on the PC, in order to get exclusives for console fanboys. Their client has had a very rough history, with way too many bugs. I could go on, but its pointless. Microsoft can only play catchup now, as they've already launched kinect as a 360 device and not a general pc device...  But I'm sure microsoft is going to push back eventually now that Apple is threatening to take over what is left of the pc gaming market. The largest PC game developers, Valve and Blizzard,  are no longer tied to Windows. Mac's are slowly becoming gaming PC's.    And I know so many PC gamers dream of a "gaming os" that would replace Microsoft. I think I had a dream Google made the ultimate gaming linux distro that all the devs embraced 100%... then I woke up... but anyways... "
QFT 
 
Glad I am not the only one who thinks this.
Posted by Sooty
@HarrySound: Be more misinformed please, oh wait I don't think that's possible.
Posted by Jaserno
@bwmcmaste said:
" @mr_shoeless:   I think they should consign through Steam. I know it sounds crazy, but Steam is already "The Platform" for legitimate PC gaming. Microsoft could make a nice tidy profit by using Valve's excellent network.    To be honest, I'm not going to get another platform (even if it's made by the same people who built my OS).  I didn't do it for Stardock, and I'm not doing it for Microsoft. "
I have Impulse by Stardock as well as Steam but I think Steam is better. It could be a good idea for Microsoft to consign with Steam, a lot of money in it I think.
Posted by bwmcmaste
@mr_shoeless: 
 
I think they should consign through Steam. I know it sounds crazy, but Steam is already "The Platform" for legitimate PC gaming. Microsoft could make a nice tidy profit by using Valve's excellent network. 
 
To be honest, I'm not going to get another platform (even if it's made by the same people who built my OS).  I didn't do it for Stardock, and I'm not doing it for Microsoft.
Posted by Tennmuerti
@atomic_dumpling said:
" @Lazyaza said:
" Man it would be awesome if MS would standardize the windows platform, make every pc game part of an improved windows live with proper server support and all that.  A pc gamer can dream... "
And a monthly fee with silver and gold subscriptions. That's a dream alright, a horrible nightmare. "
Screw you guys, I woke up in cold sweat today because of this!
 
 
@Lazyaza said:
Yet another pc gamer who hates the idea of having to actually pay for a useful and reliable service that actually works. Xbox Live is awesome and if PC had a similar service it would lead to better things for the platform. - Piracy would be reduced - Achievements would exist for all games  - Many more developers would be motivated to actually make PC a lead skew or at least not release broken, half assed ports- Hundreds of games that would normally be exclusive to console would be available for PC   How are these potential things not good for the platform? "
Piracy reduced? Ha not a chance. In what way exactly is Live reducing piracy on 360 that would be relevant to PC? Go look up the numbers for MW2 torrents at launch. If it is becouse it would encourage people to buy more games online then we are already doing that with Steam and other online retailers, for free. If it is becouse it forces people  to not pirate by having to buy the original version then once again not a valid point since you cannot force this on PC and even games with a serious ponline component get pirated both on 360 and PC.
Achievements exist now in PC games that developers what to put them in. Forcing them into the game for their own sake like on Xbox is not a good idea.
In what way would the developers (apart from ones employed by Microsoft of whom there are very few) be encouraged to make better ports? If anything it will encourage even shoddier jobs since they will start relying on Microsoft during certain parts of the process. What hundreds of games? I guess you could say hundreds if you count all the garbage that gets spewed out, but there are only a few worthwhile titles otherwise that were released on 360 but not on PC, most of them being Microsoft owned/sponsored ... suprise surprise.
 
How is it not good for the platform?
Because:
(a) Microsoft has a shit track record so far in terms of game support with PC (as many on this thread have mentioned)
(b) Paying for the privilege of playing online with other people on a subscription basis. Why would I want to do that outside of an MMO? Games that need multiplayer already have it and support it just fine for free. Right now there is no one unified service that controlls and dictates our online gaming completely. Why would we willingly WANT to be restricted and censored and controlled by Mycrosoft while online and be forced to obey their rules and even pay them money for it? Live is not a holy grail that solves all multiplayer problems there are many examples of multiplayer having issues in certai games, it depends on developer too.
(c) They like, no they LOVE trying to monopolize shit. You can bet your ass they will try to force their distribution on certain titles and will not allow them to be sold at other digital retailers, so forcing you to buy a game from them if you wanted it.
Posted by DeadFish

MIcrosofts current PC initiative is joke. It's not even a question. They haven't publushed a PC game in years and haven't meantioned the word PC or Windows at e3 at all. (Windows Mobile 7 being the only exception). 
 
Actually, they are activley harming PC gaming through GfWL right now, so...

Posted by Radar

If they're wanting to be in the PC games market, then they need to revamp everything they have currently. 

Posted by Radar
@Toms115 said:
" why microsoft can't leave their service on consoles baffles me. they're clearly not needed for pc gaming anymore, with things such as steam dominating the pc market. i'd just prefer it if they leave the console games on consoles, and i'll play a console if i ever desire to play such a game. windows is pretty much an open system, so them trying to bring in their closed-nature xbox live port won't ever sit well with pc gamers. "
Leaving money on the table for another company to grab would be stupid of them
Posted by Det1
@Lazyaza: 
The only realistic consequence on that list of 4 is reduced piracy, and even then dubious.
The truth is that the reason why people don't develop for PC is more of a giant middle finger to the pirates/fall back excuse (see: epic) than actual loss of money (they do lose profit, but they still do profit unless it's an extreme case like epic's streak of epic...oh, you know*).
I mean shit, piracy on the DS is rampant and that thing still prints money.
 
*joke stolen shamelessly from RPS
Posted by Lazyaza
@atomic_dumpling said:
" @Lazyaza said:
" Man it would be awesome if MS would standardize the windows platform, make every pc game part of an improved windows live with proper server support and all that.  A pc gamer can dream... "
And a monthly fee with silver and gold subscriptions. That's a dream alright, a horrible nightmare. "
Yet another pc gamer who hates the idea of having to actually pay for a useful and reliable service that actually works. Xbox Live is awesome and if PC had a similar service it would lead to better things for the platform.
- Piracy would be reduced
- Achievements would exist for all games 
- Many more developers would be motivated to actually make PC a lead skew or at least not release broken, half assed ports
- Hundreds of games that would normally be exclusive to console would be available for PC 
 
How are these potential things not good for the platform?
Posted by atomic_dumpling
@Lazyaza said:
" Man it would be awesome if MS would standardize the windows platform, make every pc game part of an improved windows live with proper server support and all that.  A pc gamer can dream... "
And a monthly fee with silver and gold subscriptions. That's a dream alright, a horrible nightmare.
Posted by Maxamus

Want  PC gamers to take seriously again Microsoft? Then make Rise of Nations 2 already, and make it good. Do that and I'll believe anything you tell me.

Posted by RobertOrri

Hahaha, yeah right. I'll believe this when I see it happening. Microsoft hasn't given a shit about the PC platform for some time now, just look at the sad state of Games for Windows (both the crappy implementation of Live and the pitiful promotion of titles on Microsoft's own website).

Posted by mr_shoeless

Wait, wait...you can play games on the PC too? Whaaaaaaaa? Oh, you mean like Farmville and Peggle, right? I mean, there's no real games like FPS on there. People would rather use a controller anyways, it's easier to aim. I mean, can you imagine playing MW2 with a mouse and keyboard? How would you switch weapons? Duder.
 
[end sarcasm]
 
Okay, seriously though PC is my favorite platform but Steam is so far ahead of Microsoft they shouldn't even bother.

Edited by S0ndor

The original Fable was a pathetic excuse for an RPG and Fable 2 didn't even have a PC version. Forgive me if I'm not all that excited... As for other MS titles coming to the PC in the future. Now that's good news.

Posted by CL60
@dcfox said:
" Fable III? Thanks for the good laugh Microsoft. But I'll be too busy playing all my steam games to give a damn about your crappy console ports. "
Can I have your time machine?
Posted by warxsnake

Ok Microsoft, now do Gears. 

Posted by dcfox

Fable III? Thanks for the good laugh Microsoft. But I'll be too busy playing all my steam games to give a damn about your crappy console ports.

Posted by raikoh05

soo, how about that halo and gears, guys?

Posted by Toms115

why microsoft can't leave their service on consoles baffles me. they're clearly not needed for pc gaming anymore, with things such as steam dominating the pc market. i'd just prefer it if they leave the console games on consoles, and i'll play a console if i ever desire to play such a game. windows is pretty much an open system, so them trying to bring in their closed-nature xbox live port won't ever sit well with pc gamers.

Posted by SpicyRichter

Screw Fable, push for a Gears 2 and 3 release on the PC
 
I'd even take a Halo 3 release. Kids these days need to experience the precision of playing shooters with a mouse.

Posted by Lazyaza

Man it would be awesome if MS would standardize the windows platform, make every pc game part of an improved windows live with proper server support and all that.
 
A pc gamer can dream...

Edited by Buck
@HarrySound: Yeah, right.... RTS is excellent on consoles...(SARCASM INTENDED) 
 
To be honest I don't even understand how people likes FPS on consoles. I can think of many other reasons why PC is as good as a gaming platform, as a console. Not to mention it's easier and cheaper to develop PC games than console games providing more creative and immersive games.
Posted by ThatFrood
ATTN MICROSOFT CORPORATE HEAD WHO IS READING THIS:
 
RE-ASSEMBLE ENSEMBLE STUDIOS
MAKE AGE OF EMPIRES 4
 
THAT IS ALL
Posted by SlasherMan
@Mikemcn said:
" So basically Fable 3 is going to be windows live exclusive on PC (Not on Steam.)  and i won't give a damn, ok. "
Well, probably won't be because MS are kind of trying (and even that's an overstatement) to push their pathetic download service on PC. 
 
I'm hoping there is at least a retail release, though.
Posted by Mikemcn

So basically Fable 3 is going to be windows live exclusive on PC (Not on Steam.)  and i won't give a damn, ok.

Posted by toots

awesoooome

Posted by SlasherMan
@Ineedaname said:
" @HarrySound said:
" Lets just leave Pc's to what they do best....MMOs and work.....Consoles have moved on so much there is no longer this large divide in services between the platforms,infact the consoles are much much better than anything on PC. "
Serious? "
Sad thing is, he probably is. I can only be amazed at how some people think, but oh well...
Edited by TheDuke
@HarrySound said:

" Lets just leave Pc's to what they do best....MMOs and work.....Consoles have moved on so much there is no longer this large divide in services between the platforms,infact the consoles are much much better than anything on PC. "

i can't tell if you're serious. it just seems unreal that someone would say or think this
Posted by Ineedaname
@HarrySound said:
" Lets just leave Pc's to what they do best....MMOs and work.....Consoles have moved on so much there is no longer this large divide in services between the platforms,infact the consoles are much much better than anything on PC. "
Serious?
Edited by PosableActionFigure

Fable 3 looks kinda cool, and if I can play it with better graphics and faster load times, all the better.

Posted by HarrySound

Lets just leave Pc's to what they do best....MMOs and work.....Consoles have moved on so much there is no longer this large divide in services between the platforms,infact the consoles are much much better than anything on PC.
Posted by RaceKickfist
@oDawg:  that is a beautiful dream...
Posted by Chris2KLee

Step 1: Put all your games on Steam.
Step 2: Done.

Posted by Jimbo

Kotick also just announced that "70 percent of [Activision's] operating profit comes from non-console-based video games".   
 
Considering Activision is about the only one of the big publishers still actually making a profit, maybe it would make sense for the rest of them to take it a bit more seriously.

Posted by Kenzo287

Wait wait wait...just how many first steps do they need to take? I can think of at least two or three first steps they've taken in the past three years and they're still not really pushing the PC as much as they should. Still the Windows Live stuff looks promising enough. I really hope this all works out in the end.

Posted by crusader8463

I'll believe it when I see them release something other then shitty console game ports instead of developing a real PC game for the PC community.

Posted by Tennmuerti
@Skooky: @SlasherMan: 
My bad, I knew for sure 2 never came out on PC soince I was kinda bummed at the news at the time since it looked alright. Was assuming for the 1st one as well since I never saw it being sold anywhere.
Posted by Shwan

When i saw the F3 E3 video i was wondering weather or not this would be on the PC and it might be so thats great!

Edited by HitmanAgent47

TBH, I always thought microsoft gave up on pc gaming and gave use the worst ports ever, when it's related to microsoft because they want us to buy a xbox360 instead. Still i'm going to buy this game on pc then.

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