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Posted by bluezy

It won't see a long-term bump because of the WC. It never has. What will happen is increased attendance next year, even by an average of 1,000, perhaps. That has happened in past post-WC years, in 2003 and 2007. 
 
But what will give MLS a boost more than anything is MLS itself. It's gaining momentum, with 36k in Seattle and 21k in Toronto every week on a consistent basis. The addition of two new clubs next year will also add to the momentum. Most of the US national team players don't currently play in MLS, but most of them did in the past.  
 
Hopefully someone will take notice of that and start watching the league to see the future international stars, but I feel more of the momentum will come from MLS's natural growth rather than quick world stage appeal.

Edited by bartok

Nope. You know what is going to help the MLS?  More Mexicans crossing the border.

Posted by AgentJ
@Diabloshadow said:
" @AgentJ: I don't know where these threads you were commenting were, but I'm talking from being on the one of the main Toronto Supporter's boards. Douchebags are all over, especially in Toronto, we have sadly more than our fair share who get wasted, and toss $10 beers. The streamers, that was something that we used to do in the first season, and it looked pretty cool but we realized how it made us look and stopped it, although others still continue it to this day. The beer throwing at Ljunberg I denounce completely, that shit is not cool, and I know that actually, that fan was given a lifetime ban at BMO (although the one at Drew Carrey I found HILARIOUS, sorry, you can throw razor blades at our Owners or our GM and I won't care, actually I'll supply them!) That is one of the things I envy, good owners.
 
Yeah, we aren't that lucky with stadiums, BMO almost didn't happen. I agree with your points on the selling out the seats, I guess we aren't doing AS well as I originally though but I'm not complaining. Also that comment about people leaving at half time, that is a truth I sadly must agree with, although at TFC games its not that bad, compared to say Jays games. Once again, douchebags that think beating everyone else to their cars is more important than seeing the team win. I can't defend them but I can say they are in the very small minority.
 
About your stadium, I'm glad to hear its made for both, always great to see new soccer specific stadiums being built. 
 
Okay, now here is where I highly disagree with you. Columbus? You are grossly misinformed, there was one drunk tfc fan who got tased and taken down by police but in reality it was just him, and the Columbus cops were terribly, and highly agitated for no fucking reason. Take from someone who was there. And at home? Reports of our violent antics are GREATLY exaggerated. Guy with flare? not a supporter. Guys throwing beers? not supporters. Guys in parking lot fights afterwards? not supporters. The only reports of violence I know of were during the Montreal away game. And even in taht case they started it (a childish answer I know but, the truth still) And don't be telling me that everyone in seattle is perfect, cause I know that isn't true.
 
Overall, I would say in terms of development, Seattle has done more than Toronto in less time. Although in matters of team performance, I am finally happy with how Toronto is doing, being 3rd in the east is great, but I hope to eventually get the attendance above 30K, after that, anything else would be gravy seeing as no one expected this team to make any money at all for a number of years, with no previous fanbase (cough Seattle cough). And while Portland v Seattle may be the first derby, Toronto v Montreal will definitely be the second. Also I get this weird vibe from you of resentment towards Toronto FC and their fanbase, and I certainly wonder where this comes from. Maybe a Toronto fan rubbed you the wrong way but I can assure you we are not all bad people, because NO ONE IS MORE AUTHENTIC THAN TORONTO FC! "
Streamers are fine. As long as it isn't excessive (i've seen guys get covered in streamers in South American games) streamers never hurt anyone. Its the constant bottles and batteries and all that crap. Its unnecessary and doesn't fit in the American market. I have too much respect for what our owners did for us (even with our 35 years of history and fantastic NASL attendance record, Seattle was an afterthought for MLS) to find any humor in anything negative happening to them, and even with how much I hate Portland (and to a lesser extent, Vancouver) i still have a ton of respect for the work their front office has done. They've gone into some of the same name-calling as Toronto, but thats to be expected given the friction between the teams.  
Its just part of the situation where I always constantly feel like I have to defend Seattle's fanbase from the national media. People seem to think we are soft, despite so much evidence to the contrary. Take the NFL Seahawks for example. They've sold out at least the last 8 seasons straight, even with 9 wins combined in the last two years. They set a record for loudest crowd noise ever back in 2005, with 137 decibels. I can't defend the Mariners crowd only to say the management did its darndest to quiet fans down for the last decade (people are now programmed to only make any relevant noise when prompted to on screen). The community fought the theft of the NBA's Supersonics tooth and nail, but got let down by government officials, corporate greed and the league alike. Only a year after the team was taken, an award winning, Sports Illustrated recognized documentary about the fiasco was released. I really recommend you watch it sometime. It will give at least a little insight into the Seattle fan. Had the Sonics incident happened anywhere else it would have been a national incident, but because it was in Seattle no one else cared, and it got buried by the league and the media. For a city that has only had professional sports for 4 decades (compared to 11 for the big east coast markets) and had to fight to keep all our franchises (lost three times; RIP Metropolitans, Pilots, Sonics) and with no championships, I'd say Seattle is incredible.  
Which brings me back to the Sounders. Back in the NASL days we were selling out THE KINGDOME. FOR LEAGUE GAMES. For years, the Sounders were at the top or near the top of league attendance. But the NASL collapsed, and the Sounders were revived in the USL. But when the MLS was looking for markets to debut in back in the early 90s, they went to markets like Dallas and Kansas City and Miami (which admittedly was supposed to be far better than it ended up being) when they had a proven market right here. We always have to try three times as hard to get any recognition. Which is why being on top of the league means so much to us. We have 36,000 a game and tons of people waiting to get in, and when we see our stadium, and our faces finally getting screentime worldwide, making top worldwide soccer organization lists, we feed off that.  
Seattle is Soccer City USA, despite what Portland would have people believe, and don't you forget it.  
Whether the people with the flares and the fighting and whatever were supporters or not doesn't matter. The fact is that these aren't isolated incidents, and if I were management up there, I'd be doing anything I could to curb it. Seattle isn't perfect, but it stays off the pitch for one, and certainly doesn't happen nearly as often. There have been two "incidents" all year. One was a scuffle when San Jose supporters got out of hand, and the other was when a Portland fan was strangled with a Seattle scarf (it might have been the other way around, i can't really remember). There were more fan-based incidents in the game in Toronto THIS YEAR than Seattle fans have been a part of. Oh, and I know that not ALL Toronto fans are douchebags, but apparantly there are quite a few hooligans out there. When they refuse to serve beer at a game, the problem is obvious. 
The hope is that someday every team in the league will be getting 30,000 consistantly, and continued expansion to new grounded markets like Toronto, Seattle, Philly, Vancouver is where it starts. Bringing in better talent is the other half of that equation.  
I think i've explained it well enough. My resentment for the Red is based on the most visible of Toronto's fans, and the actions they have taken. If you want them to play less of a role, You need to find a way to make them value being drunkards less (then they won't be stuck in beer and bathroom lines during halftime) or drown them out with the supporters section. If you haven't seen it, look up the video of the Barcelona Seattle game from last year. After what I think was the second goal, the standard Seattle chant started up and it nearly drowned out the announcers. You get Toronto to do that, and people will forget the assholes. until then, I don't know you're the one to make judgements of Authenticity.   
If the drunkards really aren't part of the supporters groups, than I have less against those in the END than I thought, but if thats the case then the supporters need to make a bigger impact, because as it is now they aren't the face of the franchise that they should be. 
Posted by NickL

as a self proclaimed soccer fan living in the US, i still dont care about MLS.... but im more interested in international tournaments than any league... i'll even watch a pointless "friendly" match if its international soccer

Edited by Diabloshadow
@AgentJ: I don't know where these threads you were commenting were, but I'm talking from being on the one of the main Toronto Supporter's boards. Douchebags are all over, especially in Toronto, we have sadly more than our fair share who get wasted, and toss $10 beers. The streamers, that was something that we used to do in the first season, and it looked pretty cool but we realized how it made us look and stopped it, although others still continue it to this day. The beer throwing at Ljunberg I denounce completely, that shit is not cool, and I know that actually, that fan was given a lifetime ban at BMO (although the one at Drew Carrey I found HILARIOUS, sorry, you can throw razor blades at our Owners or our GM and I won't care, actually I'll supply them!) That is one of the things I envy, good owners.
 
Yeah, we aren't that lucky with stadiums, BMO almost didn't happen. I agree with your points on the selling out the seats, I guess we aren't doing AS well as I originally though but I'm not complaining. Also that comment about people leaving at half time, that is a truth I sadly must agree with, although at TFC games its not that bad, compared to say Jays games. Once again, douchebags that think beating everyone else to their cars is more important than seeing the team win. I can't defend them but I can say they are in the very small minority.
 
About your stadium, I'm glad to hear its made for both, always great to see new soccer specific stadiums being built. 
 
Okay, now here is where I highly disagree with you. Columbus? You are grossly misinformed, there was one drunk tfc fan who got tased and taken down by police but in reality it was just him, and the Columbus cops were terribly, and highly agitated for no fucking reason. Take from someone who was there. And at home? Reports of our violent antics are GREATLY exaggerated. Guy with flare? not a supporter. Guys throwing beers? not supporters. Guys in parking lot fights afterwards? not supporters. The only reports of violence I know of were during the Montreal away game. And even in taht case they started it (a childish answer I know but, the truth still) And don't be telling me that everyone in seattle is perfect, cause I know that isn't true.
 
Overall, I would say in terms of development, Seattle has done more than Toronto in less time. Although in matters of team performance, I am finally happy with how Toronto is doing, being 3rd in the east is great, but I hope to eventually get the attendance above 30K, after that, anything else would be gravy seeing as no one expected this team to make any money at all for a number of years, with no previous fanbase (cough Seattle cough). And while Portland v Seattle may be the first derby, Toronto v Montreal will definitely be the second. Also I get this weird vibe from you of resentment towards Toronto FC and their fanbase, and I certainly wonder where this comes from. Maybe a Toronto fan rubbed you the wrong way but I can assure you we are not all bad people, because NO ONE IS MORE AUTHENTIC THAN TORONTO FC!
Posted by AgentJ
@giygas said:
" One thing that keeps popping up in this thread is "we have none of the best teams/players so why bother?"  I have european friends who cheer for 2nd/ 3rd tier league clubs, and it's usually because that's where they are from, not skill level, and they have enough devotion to stick with them through thick or thin. North Americans are like this with other sports but not usually soccer. I'm excited to live near Vancouver, where the Whitecaps are becoming an MLS team next year and will watch their games and support them for sure. It's about pride in your team, whether they're good or not. Whether soccer will get big (which I believe it is, slowly is gaining attraction in Canada/America) is questionable but just by supporting a soccer team anywhere in the world may mean a teen joins a league or a parent signs their kid up for a soccer club. This will lead to it gaining popularity, and lead to MLS becoming a better league. The  Europeans would hate that :) "
Exactly. By the way, I love Vancouver's alternate jerseys. Their whites though, not so much... 
@Diabloshadow said:
" @AgentJ:  FIrst of all, I don't know what game you were watching but I remember that one and that was a packed house (cept that side you saw is notorious for lame fans, see below). Also, I don't know what idiots you've been talking or listening to, but all the supporters I know, myself included, have great respect for Seattle, and talk about how great their organization, fans, and team is and how much of an impact they've made in such a small amount of time in the standings compared to us.    
 Secondly no, its not that easy to expand a stadium that is owned by the city and not the team. It's up to city counselors should they want to expand the stadium, and with all the debt and craziness going on I don't see that happening soon. Also we HAVE been selling out our stadium consistently, I our average is within 400 seats of the capacity, then yes I think we are doing pretty well. Not to mention we have a terrible scalper problem, worse than a lot of places but everyone has some form of scalpers so that point is slightly moot.   
 Thirdly, American Football isn't the biggest here and we don't have that luxury of a big stadium with grass and some form of a roof that shields some amount of the fans from the elements already built. We have a purely open stadium, so don't bitch about weather being a non-factor.    
 Fourth, while a large amount do stand and march to the stadium, and I would say the percentages rather than the numbers would be comparable, there are a bunch of "prawn seats" who just like to sit, drink their beer, and say they like the 'atmosphere' when they do shit all to contribute to it. In fact, I remember a couple of games where beer was not sold because of incidents by part-time fans causing shit. We did just fine for attendance, thank you.    
 In conclusion, I don't know why you seem to hate on Toronto FC and the fans so much, maybe a couple of douchebags spoiled it for you but other than just regular loyalties I've never seen anyone say anything bad about Seattle. And if you are ever in Toronto on an away game, feel free to call me up and continue this argument over a cold one. In my opinion, these two teams are the ones (along with Philly) that are gonna perhaps show the rest of America how they can have a great atmosphere and love of Football year round, rather than every 4 years. It might take awhile, but seeing as the league itself is barely 15 years or so old, I think we should give it time to grow. Its been doing a lot better than in the 90s, and it will continue to do so. "
  1. Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you. Wanted to make sure I had plenty of time to give this post a quality reply.
    If you've got a whole group of fans that leaves after half time, then thats a problem. There are... ways to watch that game again. I suggest you think about doing so. I appreciate your sentiments about Seattle and the team, but they don't reflect what went on in both Seattle and Toronto-specific threads in the week before that game last year. Having things thrown at our players both times sealed it as far as I'm concerned. I know Toronto throws things at lots of players on lots of teams, but both times we've been there Ljungberg has been targeted. Oh, and lets not forget fans throwing beer at one of our owners at that first game.There is certainly no love lost in this relationship. 
  2. I don't know how things work in Toronto, Canada, or even in this specific instance, but when there was a demand for new stadiums in Seattle, new stadiums arrived.
    Here's the thing about sell-outs: they imply that the stadium is sold out. If the average is 400 below capacity, then that means that if half of the games were sold out, then in half the games they were 800 people short. Don't get me wrong; Toronto has supported their team far better than nearly every other team in the league, but logistically they aren't "consistently" selling out every game. 
  3. When Qwest Field was built, it was built with Soccer in mind. The plaque built into the stadium when it was finished says "Soccer/Football Stadium". Thats why the seats are so close to the field. It wasn't built to be a second fiddle to American Football. It was built to be for both. While no one expected that even after opening the lower bowl there would still be huge demand for tickets (capping season tickets at more than the capacity of any other stadium in the league holds) the hope always was that someday a normal match could fill up the whole building. Lets face it; with an owner like Paul Allen, the building would have been built with or without the Seahawks. And it's been filled to capacity for soccer matches at least three times (Mexico vs Canada, Sounders vs Chelsea, Sounders vs Barcelona). Thats 67000 seats. The building isn't just there to host American Football.
  4. The March to the Match was a tradition started by the Sounders, where fans gather at a park a few blocks from the stadium and march together, scarves above their head for every game. That's unique to Seattle (though I hear Chivas started doing something similar this year. Hooray for originality). I've seen the chants and cheers from Toronto, and they're fine and well, but I've also seen the violence that Toronto fans have caused both at home and away. Look up toronto FC fans on youtube and you'll find straight up hooliganism, especially in Columbus. It's ridiculous. And its not just the "part time fans" as you like to put it, unless thats what you call your supporters section. I've seen the threats to put netting in front of them. Thats bad. 
  5. If I ever get the oppourtunity to go to an away game in Toronto (heading down to LA this weekend for the game) I will be sure to message you, if both of us are still around at that point. I agree that Toronto will continue to play an important role in the growth of the sport on the continent, but Vancouver and (ugh) Portland in 2011 are going to be huge (first real MLS derby). Again, Seattle's goal is to someday fill up to the rafters for an MLS game. at the rate the fanbase is growing (increased capacity nearly 25 percent from 2009 to 2010) maybe that isn't too far away. 
Posted by PercyChuggs

No.

Posted by Diabloshadow
@AgentJ:  FIrst of all, I don't know what game you were watching but I remember that one and that was a packed house (cept that side you saw is notorious for lame fans, see below). Also, I don't know what idiots you've been talking or listening to, but all the supporters I know, myself included, have great respect for Seattle, and talk about how great their organization, fans, and team is and how much of an impact they've made in such a small amount of time in the standings compared to us.
 
Secondly no, its not that easy to expand a stadium that is owned by the city and not the team. It's up to city counselors should they want to expand the stadium, and with all the debt and craziness going on I don't see that happening soon. Also we HAVE been selling out our stadium consistently, I our average is within 400 seats of the capacity, then yes I think we are doing pretty well. Not to mention we have a terrible scalper problem, worse than a lot of places but everyone has some form of scalpers so that point is slightly moot.
 
Thirdly, American Football isn't the biggest here and we don't have that luxury of a big stadium with grass and some form of a roof that shields some amount of the fans from the elements already built. We have a purely open stadium, so don't bitch about weather being a non-factor.
 
Fourth, while a large amount do stand and march to the stadium, and I would say the percentages rather than the numbers would be comparable, there are a bunch of "prawn seats" who just like to sit, drink their beer, and say they like the 'atmosphere' when they do shit all to contribute to it. In fact, I remember a couple of games where beer was not sold because of incidents by part-time fans causing shit. We did just fine for attendance, thank you.
 
In conclusion, I don't know why you seem to hate on Toronto FC and the fans so much, maybe a couple of douchebags spoiled it for you but other than just regular loyalties I've never seen anyone say anything bad about Seattle. And if you are ever in Toronto on an away game, feel free to call me up and continue this argument over a cold one. In my opinion, these two teams are the ones (along with Philly) that are gonna perhaps show the rest of America how they can have a great atmosphere and love of Football year round, rather than every 4 years. It might take awhile, but seeing as the league itself is barely 15 years or so old, I think we should give it time to grow. Its been doing a lot better than in the 90s, and it will continue to do so.
Posted by damnboyadvance

Nope. We just don't really care about soccer. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

Posted by ZombiePie

Probably not. All of the players that have name recognition on the US national team predominantly play overseas.

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Posted by MattyFTM

Football is gradually growing in popularity over in the states, and the world cup will probably help it a little bit but it isn't going to be a huge spike or anything like that. It'll be a slightly higher than usual increase to the uptake.

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Posted by giygas

One thing that keeps popping up in this thread is "we have none of the best teams/players so why bother?" 
 
I have european friends who cheer for 2nd/ 3rd tier league clubs, and it's usually because that's where they are from, not skill level, and they have enough devotion to stick with them through thick or thin. North Americans are like this with other sports but not usually soccer. I'm excited to live near Vancouver, where the Whitecaps are becoming an MLS team next year and will watch their games and support them for sure. It's about pride in your team, whether they're good or not. Whether soccer will get big (which I believe it is, slowly is gaining attraction in Canada/America) is questionable but just by supporting a soccer team anywhere in the world may mean a teen joins a league or a parent signs their kid up for a soccer club. This will lead to it gaining popularity, and lead to MLS becoming a better league. The  Europeans would hate that :)

Posted by Who_Dat

no, because its one thing to watch great players, from all over the world playing for their country's pride, and it's another thing, watching players who are okay at playing pro soccer.
also in order for the US to earn interest in soccer, they need to change their attitude from,  its a fun social activity for little kids to play until they're old enough to play a contact sport, to an actual sport that kids have a strong passion for playing.

Posted by icyroy05
@Mrnitropb said:
" Nope, just like it didn't in 2006 or 2002, or well, ever. "
Posted by jakob187

No, namely because America has a mad case of ADD.  People in America would cheer on a fucking asteroid hitting the Earth if they could hype it up, overcommercialize it, and then find a way to sit in front of a TV with beers and chips for it.

Posted by RiotBananas

No, this happens every time there's a World Cup. 

Posted by bkfountain
@s7evn said:
" No, the sport is not appealing to American people (I like it more than most sports, probably because I played it). "
It's just that we already have a bunch of sports we do like. Tons of people have actually played soccer, as it's the most popular youth sport in the country. It's obviously a different game at that age, but  talented athletes get directed towards traditional sports like football, baseball, and basketball as they get older.  
 

Posted by AgentJ
@Diabloshadow said:
" @AgentJ:  My bad, your`re right, I forgot that the Sounders play out of the Seahawks stadium. Toronto plays out of a stadium that is I believe slightly under 21,000 so don`t be talking smack just because their stadium is bigger, same with LA.   Secondly, all FO`s do that trick with the tickets over attendance, don`t think Seattle is exempt, scalpers and other douches buy lots and then don`t sell enough so seats go empty.   Thirdly, I do agree with you about the the ratings and overall feeling towards football in America, and that the MLS, while the overall level of play is lower, is still on the rise and teams like Toronto and Seattle are leading the way being only a couple years into existence (although some have done better in less time than others, as hard as it is for me to except).   And lastly, dont be talking shit about us having 2000 below average with multiple problems that night including; scalpers having a large amount of seats, the riots going on downtown, transit lines south of a certain point being canceled, and it being absolute shit weather. I`d say all that considered, 18,000 was a good turnout. Oh and for the clarification YES WE HAVE BETTER FANS THAN YOU (that had no basis, and I`m bias, but I still believe that fact :P) "
Toronto hasn't even been selling out their 21,000 seat stadium. Seattle hasn't FAILED to sell out a 36,000 seat configuration. If Toronto had enough fans to warrant a bigger stadium, they'd build a bigger stadium. It's not just a matter of capacity, or all your seats would be sold every game (even not counting yesterdays game). 
And while the quality of the fans is a matter of opinion, do you have the vast majority of your fans standing through 90 minutes? Do you have 8,000 fans march to the stadium together an hour before the game starts? Do you have your fans setting MLS records for attendance not only on a year to year basis, but also the most fans ever for a preseason game?(This year vs Portland, some 19,000 fans) As for the weather, well, this is Seattle we're talking about. To me, weather isn't a good excuse to miss a game, and my seats aren't under any sort of cover. Sounders also routinely have far larger away fan sections than any other team. Watch the game in Philadelphia today, and you'll see what I mean (ESPN2). 
 
I don't like Toronto's fans. They talked a whole bunch of shit before Seattle came into town last year, talking about how they were "real fans" and that the Sounders were just a fad. Then they were all gone by halftime. The Maple Leaf was blatantly obvious. Some support. I personally wonder if anyone would ever go to Toronto games if the stadiums didn't sell beer.  
 
But really, it's all in good fun. i bleed rave green, and take immense pride in our 67,000 (American Football capacity) when Barcelona and Chelsea came to town last year.
Posted by s7evn

No, the sport is not appealing to American people (I like it more than most sports, probably because I played it).

Posted by Diabloshadow
@AgentJ:  My bad, your`re right, I forgot that the Sounders play out of the Seahawks stadium. Toronto plays out of a stadium that is I believe slightly under 21,000 so don`t be talking smack just because their stadium is bigger, same with LA. 
 
Secondly, all FO`s do that trick with the tickets over attendance, don`t think Seattle is exempt, scalpers and other douches buy lots and then don`t sell enough so seats go empty. 
 
Thirdly, I do agree with you about the the ratings and overall feeling towards football in America, and that the MLS, while the overall level of play is lower, is still on the rise and teams like Toronto and Seattle are leading the way being only a couple years into existence (although some have done better in less time than others, as hard as it is for me to except). 
 
And lastly, dont be talking shit about us having 2000 below average with multiple problems that night including; scalpers having a large amount of seats, the riots going on downtown, transit lines south of a certain point being canceled, and it being absolute shit weather. I`d say all that considered, 18,000 was a good turnout. Oh and for the clarification YES WE HAVE BETTER FANS THAN YOU (that had no basis, and I`m bias, but I still believe that fact :P)
Posted by Gearhead

As an American: MLS fucking sucks. The Premier League should just be broadcasted to the US, which has better teams and players. Then maybe, some more people will care.

Posted by CitizenKane

No.  It might for a little bit, but generally we will go on continuing to not care about soccer.  We have football, baseball, and basketball.
 
I know a lot of people probably don't want to acknowledge this, but one of, if not the main reason why soccer is so popular is economics.  Soccer is cheap and most of the rest of the world is poor.  They by and large can't afford other sports(especially football) or not athletic enough to make the sport as enjoyable as it can be(like basketball), so they make due with what they have and that usually means soccer.

Posted by TwoOneFive
@Unknown_Pleasures said:
" No....it didn't gain attention after the last world cup and it won't after this one either. "
i think you are wrong. the league has gained way more popularity over the past 5 years and there are new teams, like Philly Union, which has been selling tickets extremely well. 
Posted by Marz

Soccer won't catch on in the USA until they win a World Cup

Posted by btman

Sadly no.  America only cares about soccer when the team is America.

Posted by AgentJ
@wrathofconn said:
" Yeah, I think the MLS will continue to fail at getting attention, which means it won't be televised, which means ratings and revenue won't go up, which means better players will not come to the states to play, which means the MLS will continue to fail at getting attention. Vicious cycle for the league. I like watching soccer, and if I lived in Seattle I would go to Sounders games since they actually have fan support and play in a nice stadium, but other than that it's hard to be interested in a bad league.  I mean honestly, when your league's "All-Star Team" plays their "All-Star Game" against ONE CLUB from the Premier League (usually not even a great one) and you can't even win most of the time? Who wants to see that? I'll stick with catching Chelsea in some late-night Champion's League games on ESPN2. "
Sounders will be on TV playing against the Philadelphia Union on ESPN 2 tomorrow at 5:00 ET. Tune in :P 

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Edited by AgentJ
@Diabloshadow said:

" I think everyone, even though they probably won't, should take an interest in their hometown team if they are a fan of football/soccer. Here in Toronto when we joined the MLS people didn't think it would be that popular, but look at us now, we have the best attendance in the league (and I would say the best fanbase as well, riots and rain and we are still gonna have a packed crowd tonight). It started to raise the popularity of the sport in those who previously had no interest because the only time they could watch football locally is whenever the CMNT was losing to some random Central American team, or America was cheating us out of the NA Cup. Either way, if you love the sport, support it at its most basic levels at home. "

Lol at the best attendance/fanbase in the league. You haven't been paying attention have you? Here's the attendance info. Toronto is third. Not surprising considering how often fans can see that maple leaf in the stands. Number one? It's Seattle, by a pretty wide margin. 36,000 for the Sounders is going to be up around 40th in the WORLD in "football" attendance. 
Every four years, the league gets a decent ratings boost after the world cup. It isn't that substantial, but it helped the sport pass hockey and basketball in average attendance, and it's going no where but up, especially with the markets that its expanding to in the near future (Vancouver, Portland and Montreal are all expected to be just as successful as recent expansion teams Toronto, Seattle and Philadelphia have been).  
The play level is still below other clubs worldwide, but it's improving. Boca jr had a very poor showing in its North American tour recently, and its one of the most decorated clubs in the world. It's going to take Americans getting excited for the sport to get more elite talent into the league. And it's not just the world cup that's building attention. America's showing in the tourney last year made people realize that we can actually be good at the sport, and Donovan's goal a few days ago was shown all over the place. Even if only a fraction of the people that saw that shot saw the beauty of soccer, it'd be a huge boon for MLS.  
 
Edit: I just looked up the attendance for the Toronto/LA game, and they only drew 18,000, at least 2000 below average, not to mention capacity. Footage and pics show large swaths of empty seats, meaning either people were more concerned with getting beer over watching the game, or the FO counted tickets bought instead of people that actually came to the game. Toronto may be good for an MLS team, but on the world scale the support is pathetic. The drunks in the supporters section knowing how to throw batteries and powerade bottles does not equal good support. 
Posted by Leo

Considering Donovan and Beckham, the only two players anybody knows in MLS, are on loan and probably won't come back..... no.

Posted by Kahoona

Soccer is shown on TV?...When did this happen?
 
And one of the reasons soccer isn't popular in the US is because you can't jam it full of commercials like other sports so the cable companies don't like supporting it.

Posted by C2C

It's hard to get excited at US soccer.  The quality of players goes down, especially after seeing the best at the spectacle that is the world cup.

Posted by wrathofconn

Yeah, I think the MLS will continue to fail at getting attention, which means it won't be televised, which means ratings and revenue won't go up, which means better players will not come to the states to play, which means the MLS will continue to fail at getting attention. Vicious cycle for the league. I like watching soccer, and if I lived in Seattle I would go to Sounders games since they actually have fan support and play in a nice stadium, but other than that it's hard to be interested in a bad league.
 
I mean honestly, when your league's "All-Star Team" plays their "All-Star Game" against ONE CLUB from the Premier League (usually not even a great one) and you can't even win most of the time? Who wants to see that? I'll stick with catching Chelsea in some late-night Champion's League games on ESPN2.

Posted by dr_pineapple

no

Posted by zonerover

Every FIFA World Cup there is an interest spike in football (yes, not soccer, football) before begins to fade away after its conclusion. Somehow the event turns the otherwise disinterested individuals into excited little puppies wanting to know what happened to their team. 
 
I find this to be particually true in the US; many people ordinarily find the low scoring nature of soccer too boring for some reason. So while I'd like to think the sport and the MLS would get more attention after the World Cup, somehow I don't see this happening - I think even for the many passionate US football viewers, they would probably find more interest in seeing a good European soccer match than the MLS.
 

Posted by HandsomeDead

Like Simon Cowell said on that fat dickhead's show on ITV, soccer will never catch on in America because they have too many ad breaks and you can't really put as many adverts as an NFL game has onto a 90 minute game with only one official stoppage. Shame, really, because this tournament has done a lot, at least here in England, to make USA seem like a far more viable contender than they were years ago. I really wouldn't be surprised though if Landon Donovan becomes a much bigger presence in Nike's advertising though.

Posted by Mrnitropb

Nope, just like it didn't in 2006 or 2002, or well, ever.

Posted by Diabloshadow

I think everyone, even though they probably won't, should take an interest in their hometown team if they are a fan of football/soccer. Here in Toronto when we joined the MLS people didn't think it would be that popular, but look at us now, we have the best attendance in the league (and I would say the best fanbase as well, riots and rain and we are still gonna have a packed crowd tonight). It started to raise the popularity of the sport in those who previously had no interest because the only time they could watch football locally is whenever the CMNT was losing to some random Central American team, or America was cheating us out of the NA Cup. Either way, if you love the sport, support it at its most basic levels at home.

Edited by Jhriad
@LiquidS said:

" No, Americans don't liike sports they are not good at such as soccer & hockey.Baseball, Basketball and NFL will always be the top sports in the US mainly because they can claim "World Champion" status.  "

To be fair it's not so much that we want to watch something that we are good at but more that we want to watch teams/leagues that are top tier.  I'm more interested in watching European soccer/football than I am the American league because the talent level just isn't the same.  You don't watch sports to watch the average players play moderately well you want to see great players/teams do great things.  Once the level of play in MLS gets close to the top international leagues we'll see greatly increased interest in the sport nationally.  The real problem there is that in large urban centers the sport isn't even on the radar of most of the top athletic talent in the country so it'll be an uphill battle competing with say the NBA.
 
It'd also help quite a bit if we could keep American soccer talent in MLS rather than it being siphoned off to international leagues.  Of the 23 players on the current US soccer team only 4 play for American teams. 
Posted by c1337us
@Jhriad:  Prior to the last World Cup Soccer ran a distant fourth place in the football codes in Australia. Australian Rules is the dominant brand followed by Rugby League and Rugby Union together. Cricket is still the national sport and the biggest thing in summer. We do have professional Basketball but it has struggled since the boom in the sport since the 90's and is currently undergoing a re-branding much like the A League did some time back but it would seem less successfully. Baseball also had a surge in popularity in Australia in the 90's but players are still considered amatuer sportsmen. Top flight Australian baseball would garner a lot less interest then State level football. Then there is also stuff like motor racing, netball etc etc. We don't have a college system of sports over here like you guys have.
Posted by LiquidS

No, Americans don't liike sports they are not good at such as soccer & hockey.
Baseball, Basketball and NFL will always be the top sports in the US mainly because they can claim "World Champion" status.
 

Posted by Jhriad
@c1337us said:
" Long term maybe not I guess it depends, the World Cup can really work for the domestic brand of a nation where soccer is not the dominant brand of football. It certainly worked that way with Australian soccer. In Germany 2006 Australia had not qualified in 30 years or so. But when we made it in by beating Argentina when we still were qualifying through the South American region it was a huge deal. Once we made it there we came back to beat Japan 3-1 in the dying stages of the game after being down 1-0. And we conducted ourselves pretty well against bigger world teams in Brazil and Croatia. Making it through to the final 16 to be robbed by eventual winners Italy.   It was the perfect tournament to push that code of Football in our country. The A League really took a boost after that as former Socceroos started coming home to play after International and European league careers were ended and we started to gain marque international players looking for one more season or two in the twilight of their careers. Soccer in this country went from a National Soccer League that was broke and struggling to remain relevant to an aggressively expanding competition that it slowly but surely generating more interest in the local brand of the game which was in no small part because of the World Cup. "
I've no knowledge of the Australian sports scene but what other major sports leagues are there down under?  Just curious how much competition for mind share soccer had.  With the NBA, NFL, MLB, and college sports it's already crowded over here and I don't see this World Cup changing much.  Honestly other than the L.A. Galaxy I can't name another soccer team in the U.S. and  I'm pretty sure that there are a few in the same state as me.
 
After looking it up I found there are two teams in Texas; the Houston Dynamo & FC Dallas.  I lived in Houston for 5 years and I still wasn't sure they had a team or what the name was.  That's just sad.
Posted by BaconGames

I think the US team earned much needed respect for the sport itself.  I'm a huge soccer fan but I have no interest in watching the MLS because it can't hold a candle to any of the high class European leagues.  The more international and better quality the teams get, the better the league will be and more I'll care.  So far new athletes still gravitate towards other sports more but it will even out eventually.

Posted by PufferFiz

I hope so, but I bet not.

Posted by c1337us

Long term maybe not I guess it depends, the World Cup can really work for the domestic brand of a nation where soccer is not the dominant brand of football. It certainly worked that way with Australian soccer. In Germany 2006 Australia had not qualified in 30 years or so. But when we made it in by beating Argentina when we still were qualifying through the South American region it was a huge deal. Once we made it there we came back to beat Japan 3-1 in the dying stages of the game after being down 1-0. And we conducted ourselves pretty well against bigger world teams in Brazil and Croatia. Making it through to the final 16 to be robbed by eventual winners Italy. 
 
It was the perfect tournament to push that code of Football in our country. The A League really took a boost after that as former Socceroos started coming home to play after International and European league careers were ended and we started to gain marque international players looking for one more season or two in the twilight of their careers. Soccer in this country went from a National Soccer League that was broke and struggling to remain relevant to an aggressively expanding competition that it slowly but surely generating more interest in the local brand of the game which was in no small part because of the World Cup.

Posted by Jhriad

No.
 
My very small interest in U.S. soccer lasted maybe 2 full games of the World Cup.  After the early goal in the Ghana game I decided my time would be better spent playing Cryostasis or DEFCON.  Just left the TV on so I could look up and check the score occasionally.  That's the extent of my interest in soccer and I'd be surprised if the general public was any greater.

Posted by hai2u

no bc usa alraedy lost.

Posted by Skytylz
@Detrian said:
" Americans will be butthurt over losing so no. "
Yah, we don't really care about soccer in the U.S. so people won't be too mad.  
 
It will be just like hockey and the Olympics.  People get excited for it while cheering for their country's team, but once it's back to regional/city teams they don't care.
Posted by Damien

No and anyone who played remotely well in the WC and plays in MLS will probably go overseas like last time.

Posted by CoolDrMoney

Didn't happen in 2002, certainly ain't gonna happen now

Edited by jonnyboy

Not a chance in Hell.
 
[edit] Still not a chance.

Posted by Detrian

Americans will be butthurt over losing so no.

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