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Posted by Abendlaender

I'm just here to say that I love Twilight Princess. Probably the second best Zelda ever created (first being obviously Majora's Mask), I guess I love it more than Ocarina. However you raise some good points.

Posted by BisonHero

@mormonwarrior: I think any blog updates automatically propagate out to the forums as well.

Posted by MormonWarrior

@video_game_king: I didn't bump this! I posted a video on my own blog! I have no idea what's going on here and why so many people are seeing this now. I wrote this like three years ago. Must be a forum bug or something.

Posted by AMonkey

More or less totally agree OP. I remember back in the day, posting essay long replies on Gamefaqs, saying what a disappointment Twilight Princess was.

Posted by Video_Game_King

Of course he's not the main antagonist, dumbass, here's Ganondorf.

Who they'd alluded to much earlier in the story. Hell, there was a whole dungeon dedicated to it.

Edited by TooWalrus

@toowalrus said:

Twilight Princess... It's OK.

Oh god, and how the [ZANT] was just throwing a tantrum or whatever.

I actually really liked that. Did a really good job of showing how desperate and on the fringe the guy was in what was essentially his final hour.

Sorry, hit 'post' early by mistake. Anyway, Was there any buildup to that? I played Twilight Princess for the first time just a few months ago, and from what I remember, up until your encounter with him, he was portrayed as a menacing, powerful enemy that was, at the very least, competent. Then you fight him, he starts stomping his feet, throwing a tantrum for no real reason other than "I just wanted to rule everything but they wouldn't let me" and after a stupidly simple boss fight- ta da! Of course he's not the main antagonist, dumbass, here's Ganondorf.

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Edited by ArbitraryWater

At this point I feel like I need to play Twilight Princess again to have any valid opinion on it (other than "It's a Zelda Game but not as good as the other Zelda game"), but then I think about the fact that I never finished OOT Master Quest and I think "I'm good". Also, way to bump your blog brother. At least it's sort of relevant at the moment.

Edited by Video_Game_King

Twilight Princess... It's OK.

Oh god, and how the [ZANT] was just throwing a tantrum or whatever.

I actually really liked that. Did a really good job of showing how desperate and on the fringe the guy was in what was essentially his final hour.

Posted by Nightriff

TP gets too much shit from people, I think it is a better version of OoT but OoT has that major nostalgia factor (and a rerelease as well).

Posted by BisonHero

@irrelevantjohn said:

It's my least favorite Zelda title but I actually don't hate it as much as others do. The only problem I have with it is that it tries to be OoT a bit too much.

Yeah, same. It's...fine, but completely unremarkable. Actually, you know what? I'll give the game credit for actually having money sinks, compared to past Zeldas where most of your rupees went towards basically nothing.

Still, the big new things were either lame (wolf form was way worse than any of the Majora's Mask transformations) or just so narrow in use that they exhausted their interestingness by the end of the dungeon (the Spinner item that let you ride on rails is very restrictive and felt really forced every time you could use it in the overworld, same for the Dominion Rod which was just a rehashed mechanic from Wind Waker). Big ball and chain was kinda cool, I guess.

Posted by TooWalrus

Twilight Princess... It's OK.

It's weird how it tries to be all dark and serious, but they try to add the silly and when they do, it just annoys me. Like that fucking mailman. Or the weird stuff with the abominable snowman & wife. Or the weird carnival guy down in the lake. Oh god, and how the "big bad guy" (whatever his name was) was just throwing a tantrum or whatever.

Some of the new gear is pretty cool though. I thought the dual clawshots were something new and cool. So was that spinning top, and I suppose the heavy ball, too. I actually liked the throwbacks to OoT, as well. I also think Midna is the best Navi-analogue they've ever put in a Zelda game.

The world never really felt compelling to me, though. Unlike Windwaker, exploration never seemed fun. Unlike the light/dark worlds in A Link to the Past. Or the Child/Adult world in OoT, nothing interesting changes when you transition from Twilight into Light, or from Wolf into Human. It's more frustrating than fun.

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Posted by GreggD

@hailinel: It looks muddy to me, but to each his own, I suppose.

Edited by Video_Game_King

I [unintelligible bullshit].

Posted by Hailinel

@greggd said:

@hailinel said:

@greggd said:

@hailinel: So wait, you liked Twilight Princess? You contrarian motherfucker.

I wouldn't say that it's my favorite Zelda game, but I appreciate what it did with the world of Hyrule and the characters inhabiting it. I know people rag on the game for its slow start, but that's one of my favorite things about it.

I rag on it because it looks like shit. After a masterpiece like Wind Waker, the gritty look of TP was highly off-putting.

I love Twilight Princess's art design. Not because it's gritty or anything; I just like it.

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Posted by IrrelevantJohn

It's my least favorite Zelda title but I actually don't hate it as much as others do. The only problem I have with it is that it tries to be OoT a bit too much.

Posted by GreggD

@hailinel said:

@greggd said:

@hailinel: So wait, you liked Twilight Princess? You contrarian motherfucker.

I wouldn't say that it's my favorite Zelda game, but I appreciate what it did with the world of Hyrule and the characters inhabiting it. I know people rag on the game for its slow start, but that's one of my favorite things about it.

I rag on it because it looks like shit. After a masterpiece like Wind Waker, the gritty look of TP was highly off-putting.

Posted by Hailinel

@greggd said:

@hailinel: So wait, you liked Twilight Princess? You contrarian motherfucker.

I wouldn't say that it's my favorite Zelda game, but I appreciate what it did with the world of Hyrule and the characters inhabiting it. I know people rag on the game for its slow start, but that's one of my favorite things about it.

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Posted by GreggD

@hailinel: So wait, you liked Twilight Princess? You contrarian motherfucker.

Posted by Hailinel

@video_game_king said:

You bumped the thread for this?

Brutha takes care of his blogs.

That is some serious dedication, though even after three years, I still don't agree with his viewpoint.

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Posted by MormonWarrior

The video I put in there broke...here's an update:

Posted by Blubba

@MormonWarrior: This was a fascinating read. You should have got more kudos. =(

Anyways, you're right. There really is nothing "dark" about TP. The world never even really feels that ominous. I wish they had at least kept the Twilight zones black like they were originally going to be. Instead, Nintendo made them all purple and weird. It looked ugly. It wouldn't have made much of a difference, but that was something that always pissed me off.

Posted by RobotHamster

This man was inb4 all the 8.8s... 
 
  

Posted by GhostlyEnigma

Twilight Princess was good, but not great.

Posted by Hypertreb

I really enjoyed parts of Twilight Princess, but other parts were just dull. Great blog.
Posted by MormonWarrior
@ryanwho:
I meant they almost released it as an afterthought. I fully recommend the GameCube version over the Wii one. The only thing it could've used is a widescreen mode, which is only in the Wii one.
Posted by Apathylad

I liked Twilight Princess. The complaints about it being too familiar are something Nintendo games get all the time. At the very least, Zelda has likely changed more than the Pokemon games.

Posted by clubsandwich

I loved the game. It istn'e the best Zelda game, but I think it's solid, as a side note, I was just playing it after a year that it was just collecting dust. :P

Posted by Ryax

really the reason twilight princess isnt one of my favorites is because i hated the twilight zones with a passion. they were visually boring. and they just made zelda seem wierd to me.

Posted by Icemael

8.8. 

8.8? 
 
8.8!

Posted by Willy105

Yeah, it's excessive fan service.
 
Either way, it has the best dungeons and boss battles in the series.

Posted by hedfone

yo its a Zelda game

Posted by ryanwho

in after 8.8

Posted by CowMuffins

I'd give it an 8.8.

Posted by Xtrememuffinman

inb48.8

Posted by ryanwho

I wouldn't call the GC version an afterthought. Its the better version. They flipped the world to accommodate the Wii version and added sloppy motion control, that was the afterthought.

Posted by Twilit_Igniter42

While Twilight Princess is one of my all-time favorite games, I'm not going to let my favor hinder my post.  This is a good read.  All your points and critiques are valid, fair, and well-explained.  In a time where people are quick to jump all over what someone posts just because they disagree, I want to say that I  enjoyed Twilight Princess, but I also enjoyed your blog.   :)
 
Kudos!