That's really cool. Good on Valve for doing that!
That's really cool. Good on Valve for doing that!
Here's hoping some friend of mine was banned, and has a extra copy of L4D2 now.
" @Shuborno: What's more worrying about this is that we wrong about how VAC works, from what people could surmise it looked like VAC was using full cheat signature flagging. This means that VAC would look for the complete memory signature of a known cheat in it's database. Using this method it's highly unlikely for VAC to be wrong, because it only looks for programs confirmed to be cheating utilities by VALVe. Obviously IW wouldn't push out a patch with a known cheat from VALVe's database so clearly VAC must work in another way. If it's using a method like heuristics then there could be far more false positives than VALVe cares to admit. "I certainly don't want or expect them to divulge how VAC works, because that will just lead to more cheating.
Nicholson needs to learn to fucking write.
" not to be a douche but what does: " In an equally excellent move, more than play play in Modern Warfare 2 is being restored by Valve and Newell." mean? "
" Not to be a complete douche, but it's "affected," not "effected." " But all is well now. Valve has reversed many, if not all, of the erroneous bans and given a gift of goodwill to those effected." Sorry...just drives me nuts! :-) "
Valve are awesome.
"wrong; they have different branches of source and lots of them are different; L4D and L4D2 are seperate, some others are seperate too (you can find a list on the steam forums somewhere)
Hah, I love how Valve managed to turn this into good PR.
VAC's no appeals policy (Plus the policy of not actually telling you why you were banned) + Permanent banning is a joke. Additionally, this serves s proof that there can be false-positives. If the bans were temporary it'd be a mild annoyance, but you can lose quite a bit with a VAC ban. If you get VAC banned in a Source engine game, you cannot play ANY source engine game on a VAC server. That means no TF2, Hl2DM ,L4D, L4D2, Portal 2, Alien Swarm, Counterstrike: Source, Day of Defeat Source or any mods. (On secure servers, which if you've ever actually tried to play on an unsecured server before it can be a nightmare)
That's potentially hundreds of dollars of games that you can't play because VAC decides to permanently ban you with no way to appeal the ban. Considering that most VAC bans are 13 year olds being stupid, the whole concept of a permanent ban on first offense is a bit harsh to begin with. Zero tolerance policies are stupid no matter what it is because there's ALWAYS a context, and I wish Valve would change the way VAC handles bans. (Why would they though? If you get banned, you just end up buying the games a second time and making them money)"
They're getting banned from a broken ass multiplayer game and getting an awesome co-op game instead. Valve is pro!
Thats a massive cock-up that was obviously an error. I'm sure microsoft wouldn't have admitted it if it was their error but its pretty hard for anyone (Especially a company as nice as valve) not to admit its an error and fix it.
But it does take an exceptionally nice company to give 2 free copies of one of their AAA titles away to all 12,000 of em.
" They're getting banned from a broken ass multiplayer game and getting an awesome co-op game instead. Valve is pro! "This.
" @Shuborno: What's more worrying about this is that we wrong about how VAC works, from what people could surmise it looked like VAC was using full cheat signature flagging. This means that VAC would look for the complete memory signature of a known cheat in it's database. Using this method it's highly unlikely for VAC to be wrong, because it only looks for programs confirmed to be cheating utilities by VALVe. Obviously IW wouldn't push out a patch with a known cheat from VALVe's database so clearly VAC must work in another way. If it's using a method like heuristics then there could be far more false positives than VALVe cares to admit. "
I think it said in the VAC forums that VAC is set up differently depending on the game.
The Source engine games are pretty open and allow a lot except for cheats whose signatures VAC could look for.
Modern Warfare 2 on the other hand - despite running on the open Quake 3 engine - is extremely closed. Any kind of modding or editing of core game files are considered an cheat for MW2, and VAC for the game is set up accordingly - so when it noticed that some core files were different from how it thought they were supposed to look, it banned the users with the changed files.
As it turned out, there was some kind of issue where Steam had made an error while updating files (some said it only happened to owners of the retail version, who had installed and activated the game on Steam through the disc), and VAC then banned everybody who had those files.
more proof that valve is awesome
I'll take someones extra! =P
Yo, Valve. You suck and stuff. I hate you so much I want to be banned.
...am I doing it right?
Can I work for Valve please?
man, i want L4D2 :(
Dear Apple and Steve Jobs. Learn this please.
" @teh_destroyer said:" Nice stuff, they definitely know how to make up for there mistakes. "It really is a good move, they admit they screwed up, apologize, explain how they screwed up, and then give the customer a freebie to show they mean it. "
Wow, once again a brilliant move on Valve's part.
somehow doubt a system can make an error of 12,000 within 1 day,
it might have reported the cheat in error, but someone had to press the giant ban button when the list amounted to 20,000
They basically gave away L4D2 during the "Perils of summer" sale - without having you pay 60 bucks to get banned in MW2 first.
Valve is so awesome, they even cover for IW's mistakes.
" Gabe is the man. "
I think they dealt with it really well and i'm actually jealous of the guys that got copies of left 4 dead 2!
WTF is "play play" ?
Yup. PC really is awesome. :P
awww look at that kitty
" WTF is "play play" ? "It's the sound of the dog in "Over the hedge".
" man, i want L4D2 :( "It was on sale for only $10 not long ago. I'm sure there will be more sales.
so how do i get someone who got a couple copies of L4D2 to gift me one?
Wow...thats amazing. It makes me feel good when companies give back to their fanbase. Doesnt happen at all in the industry. Anyone else would have said "Your screwed,to bad."
*bows for Valve*
Good to see Valve admitting to their mistakes and actually giving back to their customers.
I barely read this article. I was too focused on the cute kitty.
Yes, because anyone who thinks that people being permanently banned for a moment of stupidity must be a cheater.
I suppose if I think that people should be allowed to use silver ware in school without a suspension I must endorse child violence right?
I'm one of those who got banned wrongly, and I have to say some things.
Being treated like absolute crap on both the vac forums or by valve official support is definitely NOT fun. "VAC did NOT make an error..." and the likes were about the only responses I got. I'm glad all these valve cockwits have been shut up now, as NOBODY can claim that their COMPUTER program is 100% foolproof.
tough it's nice we got afree game tough. :)
I'm sure everyone already owns left4dead 2 with steam, or most ppl. It's like giving them a game they already had, twice to say your sorry. They should be able to choose from any valve games at least.