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Posted by Andorski
@Battletoad said:
" @thomasonfa said:
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I just visited PSN Blog and I could not help notice the
comments.


Like, “Wow, this is alot of info. Thanks, this is very much
appreciated by all of us Playstation fans - Ejsponge61".


Most were very positive. However, I wish
people would think about it. If any other business had told your information
was stolen, would you be upset. I'm peeved that they didn't say this in the
beginning.


Also, this may be the LARGEST information theft in the
world. Just think about how many people use PSN, millions.


            "
I saw somewhere saying this was the 4th largest. Top place was something like 120 million. But yes, it's sad to see people so addicted to the products of a company that will not only defend them to the bitter end, but actually thank them for screwing them over. "
There's a weird dichotomy when you read PS.Blog posts compared to posts that you see on majornelson.com.

PS users on the blog seem to be drinking the kool-aid a lot more.  In general, posts are more positive and thankful.  They praise Sony when they provide a feature and service and are understanding when something goes wrong.  I think it was really telling that PS.Blog commenters are always up to defend their console of choice when a whole bunch of them slammed Bethesda for not putting out their DLC on PS3 day-and-date with the 360.  In the article where a Bethesda community manager outlined all the DLC that was coming to the system, members were posting how furious they were for feeling like second-rate customers, and how horrible it was that Bethesda was willing to take money from MS to fund their DLC development.

Meanwhile, 360 users always seem to complain about something over at majornelson.com.  Their posts won't even be related to the article.  Larry Hyrb will post the XBL Deal of the Week, and the first few posts usually contain the sentiments, "When will Gold be free?," "I got banned from XBL, WTF?," or "I just bought a game on XBLA and I can't download it.  Fix this shit Microsoft."
Posted by Subbeh
@jayjonesjunior said:
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People don't give enough credit for the hackers, Sony didn't just give up the information, that person or group had to commit a crime to get it out.

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Yeah, you're right. Nice job guys! really appreiate the effort you've put in on this!
If you did get my CC details then buy yourselves something nice, my treat!
Posted by MadLeper
@Battletoad said:

            "
I saw somewhere saying this was the 4th largest. Top place was something like 120 million. But yes, it's sad to see people so addicted to the products of a company that will not only defend them to the bitter end, but actually thank them for screwing them over. "
Well, to this day the XBOX360 fans still give MS a pass over the the whole RRoD fiasco and smugly declare that they've only had to replace their console 6 or 7 times.  

Fanboys are everywhere if you look hard enough
Edited by ComixZone


you can absolutely blame Sony for the intrusion. This is one of the largest online stores in the world. It's their job to protect our personal information. Full stop. That's it. It's their job.

 

They're supposed to protect our info, they failed - this is a huge failure on Sony's behalf and they should not in anyway be given a 'pass' due to being outcrafted by some hackers. It's their job to protect our info by outcrafting the crafty hackers.

 

 

...crafty.

Posted by Dylabaloo
@drhans said:
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Brilliant.
Posted by Battletoad
@thomasonfa said:
"
               

I just visited PSN Blog and I could not help notice the
comments.


Like, “Wow, this is alot of info. Thanks, this is very much
appreciated by all of us Playstation fans - Ejsponge61".


Most were very positive. However, I wish
people would think about it. If any other business had told your information
was stolen, would you be upset. I'm peeved that they didn't say this in the
beginning.


Also, this may be the LARGEST information theft in the
world. Just think about how many people use PSN, millions.


            "

I saw somewhere saying this was the 4th largest. Top place was something like 120 million. But yes, it's sad to see people so addicted to the products of a company that will not only defend them to the bitter end, but actually thank them for screwing them over.
Posted by MadLeper
@Andorski said:
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Hacking the system =/= hacking the service.  There should be no reason why a device with custom firmware should give one access to any and all information on online servers.  I don't blame Sony for being arrogant in their appraisal for their once-uncrackable console, or for their legal actions once people were able to open up the PS3.  I blame them for their idiotic security method of having their system securities on the hardware rather then on their servers.

I'm not even that technically proficient in computer hardware/software, but even I understand the idea that if a person physically has a device with security measures on it, they can and will break through it.
"
You do realize that the entire purpose of the Rebug CFW was to spoof a developers console and so get access to the Developers section of the PSN right?  And more than likely once the hackers were inside that they started on breaching the entire PSN network.

After all, it's been pretty clear in the past that the goals of the PS3 hackers have been to 1: Get free games and 2: Hack into PSN to cheat and steal.

Jus imagine if these bloody hackers had decided to insert an infected FW update, or poison a few apps to destroy any local saved games or media?  Just like what a bunch of thieves would do after breaking into the store and looting the register, vandalize the shit out the place.
Posted by TepiDDeatH

I use point cards, not CC, so I feel relitivly safe. My twenty dollars and five cents better be in my wallet though LOL. Seriously, no NHL Game center during the play offs is kinda pissing me off though.

Posted by EgoCheck616

Awesome. I look forward to selling my PS3 on Friday and picking up a 3DS.

At least with a 3DS I can play Street Fighter IV online. 

Also, 134 Steam games have kept me from turning on my PS3 for weeks.
Posted by circle
Posted by jayjonesjunior

People don't give enough credit for the hackers, Sony didn't just give up the information, that person or group had to commit a crime to get it out.

 

Anyway most of the comments here come from people that don't even own a PS3.

Posted by thomasonfa

I just visited PSN Blog and I could not help notice the comments.

Like, “Wow, this is alot of info. Thanks, this is very much appreciated by all of us Playstation fans - Ejsponge61".

Most were very positive. However, I wish people would think about it. If any other business had told your information was stolen, would you be upset. I'm peeved that they didn't say this in the beginning.

Also, this may be the LARGEST information theft in the world. Just think about how many people use PSN, millions.

Posted by AmericanNinja

Sony did a good job of handling this IMHO.

Posted by Matfei90

I'm glad I've only ever purchased things through XBL. Granted I wish I still went with a pure point card approach for everything, just to be safe.

Posted by MadLeper
@EuanDewar: 

Actually, that story turned out to be incorrect.  An unhacked PS3 uses the exact same encryption as by MS, the plain text file CC info was being exposed by....wait for it... someone using a PS3 with CFW.

So some idiot loads custom firmware on his PS3, adds his CC information into PSN and is outraged that it's being sent in the clear,
Posted by thekingoftoilets

Well fuck. This sucks. Sony SHOULD have sent out some sort of notification about this sooner, not 5 days later. Also, they BETTER inform their consumers if personal information indeed was collected by hackers.
BUT: You cannot blame Sony for this intrusion. I can guarantee if the same thing happened to say Apple or Microsoft, shit would be as chaotic as it is now, and it isn't the first time a corporation was hacked and possibly leaked personal info.
Sony better have some sort of compensation for its consumer base, whatever it may be.

.... if this is a belated April fools joke, its not funny

Posted by CowsWithGuns
@Andorski: Yea your right, they didn't make the transition into the 2000's very smoothly at all.
Posted by Getz

I don't want to sound like some idiot fanboy, but I am soooooooo glad I don't have a ps3 right now. 

Posted by tropico89

Now do they mean PSN should be back up tomorrow which is a week after it went down or a week as of today?  Can anyone clarify this for me? 
Posted by Andorski
@CowsWithGuns said:
" @TadThuggish said:
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CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
"
Suffocation No Breathing
Don't give a F*ck if I cut my arm breathing.   This made me laugh!

But seriously Sony you used to have a reputation of being a great electronics company.  Things were lookin good for you!  You had a the PS2, great TV's and pretty sweet sound systems (I still use my old one) .  You have continued to charge a premium for electronics that are now a lot worse than most, and taken short cuts to lead you to where you are today.  Good Job.  You pissed off the internet and the internet fought back and won....hard.   
"
They use to be great because electronics use to be a hardware game.  The PS3 is still a fantastically built unit.  Things went down for them when software-based services became the norm.  Sony has such shitty software engineers.  I remember when playstation.com went all screwy and people couldn't sign onto their website.  Took them a couple of months to figure that out.
Posted by PoisonJam7

Fucking great.

A few weeks before this happened, my account got hacked somehow and someone bought "Angry Birds" lol. Luckily, I have a dedicated online-only credit card that I only keep a small amount of money on, so they weren't able to go on some kind of shopping spree or drain my main account. Still, I lost about $5 and got a stupid game that I didn't want.

I also completely don't buy the statement made by "Anonymous" that it wasn't them. Yeah right, who's going to believe those dick faces?

Edited by Jackel2072

the one time i buy a 3rd party game on my PS3 (Portal 2) PSN goes down. oh well. the credit card i did have on my account is dead so no worries there and i still have my xbox. back to MORTAL KOMBAT!

Edited by NoCookiesForYou

Holy shit, PANIC MODE GO!

Sony and it's users just can't seem to catch a goddamn break. Thank god i only used PSN cards for my purchases and unique password for my account.

Posted by CowsWithGuns
@TadThuggish said:
"
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
"
Suffocation No Breathing
Don't give a F*ck if I cut my arm breathing.   This made me laugh!

But seriously Sony you used to have a reputation of being a great electronics company.  Things were lookin good for you!  You had a the PS2, great TV's and pretty sweet sound systems (I still use my old one) .  You have continued to charge a premium for electronics that are now a lot worse than most, and taken short cuts to lead you to where you are today.  Good Job.  You pissed off the internet and the internet fought back and won....hard.   
Posted by Vlad_Tiberius

So basically the PS3  turned into PS2...

Posted by Andorski
@histeachn said:
" I am least inclined to blame Sony for this.  Should they have had a more stalwart system in place?  Sure, but there wasn't a known potential for this to happen until the PS3 got hacked.  Now there are people pointing fingers at Sony for this, and it's not really their doing.  Sometimes this is the way you learn there are gaping holes, and it sucks.  This is why they pursued the lawsuit and tried to close the floodgates, but the PS3 crack already got through.  My bank information is on PSN as well, but I also regularly check my account and can contact my bank very quickly about an off purchase.  I can't go online to change my password since PSN is down, so I'm just going to be vigilant and see what happens.  I wish Sony could do more than react, but it wasn't someone from Sony who published the way to hack into the system.  All this does is show that Sony had reason to be concerned from the original hack.  I say let them clean this up, and hopefully move on with a more secure PSN.  "
Hacking the system =/= hacking the service.  There should be no reason why a device with custom firmware should give one access to any and all information on online servers.  I don't blame Sony for being arrogant in their appraisal for their once-uncrackable console, or for their legal actions once people were able to open up the PS3.  I blame them for their idiotic security method of having their system securities on the hardware rather then on their servers.

I'm not even that technically proficient in computer hardware/software, but even I understand the idea that if a person physically has a device with security measures on it, they can and will break through it.
Posted by Fjordson

God damn. So glad I never had any credit card/billing information on PSN account.

Posted by Hashy
  @Snapstacle said:
" I'd still rather have my identity stolen than pay for XBL. Just sayin
Still funny no matter how many times I read it. Spoken like someone with nothing to lose.
Edited by TheHT

God, this situation sucks balls.

Posted by OmegaRadium

SO NINTENDO HAD IT RIGHT ALL ALONG!

Posted by ParanoidFreak
@TadThuggish said:

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
Haha, this actually made me laugh out loud, but I definitely see "Magma_Pear's" point.
Posted by Kyreo

Everything is going to be alright.... hopefully.

Posted by Magma_Pear
@Andorski said:
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                    Just want to point this out: Patrick Klepek gets hired by Giant Bomb to do hard investigative reporting, and next thing you know a big story comes out about how a large corporation has screwed over it's entire userbase.

Coincidence?


                   

                "

Patrick Klepek, he doesn't make his living by reporting the news. He makes his living by creating it in the first place...
Posted by Keith_Games

We'll live...but I'm betting we'll receive no kind of compensation for the outage...although it's not sony's fault, maybe a free game or something would be nice...
Posted by Magma_Pear

@TadThuggish:

It just sucks to have to worry about identity theft on a damned video game machine. I have enough to worry about in my life with a wife and two kids to keep over without having worry about getting robbed simply because I purchased a few games on PSN.

 

Gaming is supposed to be about fun, not about CNN reporting that my personal address, phone number, billing address and probably my credit card info all got jacked because Sony thinks client side only security is the wave of the future.

 

I'd be different is Sony told us all up front that they only use shit security BEFORE I stored all my personal information with them. Then I'd have myself to blame for this too.

Posted by Andorski

Just want to point this out: Patrick Klepek gets hired by Giant Bomb to do hard investigative reporting, and next thing you know a big story comes out about how a large corporation has screwed over it's entire userbase.


Coincidence?
Edited by Sooty

It's really bad they didn't release this info when it first went down.

I'd like to change my credit card info but I can't login to do that and I have no idea which card is on there. But the last time I bought anything was almost a year ago so hopefully it'll be an expired card.

Posted by Aaron_G

If my personal information is effected I will be so not happy Sony. I better get something. 

Posted by onimonkii
@pot said:
" @onimonkii said:
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                whatevs, i use psn cards, anyone could look up the rest of the info without hacking into psn, not a big deal at all really.
            "
Yeah it is a big deal. And please tell me where someone could look up my credit card info and PSN password? "
do you not understand what "the rest of the info" means? if you used psn cards they wouldn't have your credit card info. if your psn password is the same as anywhere else, that's the only reason you'd have to worry at all, in which case you could just change them to something else, now they have a useless password, psn is down so it's useless to them now, and once it comes back up you can change that too.
Posted by Device

"Thank you you for your patience, thank you for your understanding".
I fucking tired of dry apologetic corporate tone. This sort of information should've been available to the users week ago when the PSN went down in the first place. What a bunch of fucking wankers!

Posted by TadThuggish
@Magma_Pear said:
"


I'm going to risk getting flamed for saying this but... I purchased MK on the PS3 instead of 360 this time around because of Kratos and I feel I'm owed a little venting right now. 

 

I'm going to say this is all Sony's fault, and there's no point in explaining all the reasons because it doesn't really matter. But I think that if you look at all the events of this generation I think you'll see that Sony has done EVERYTHING, as if intentional, to not only get the attention of hackers, but to piss them off too. It goes all the way back to the launch with few games, making claims of the PS3 being more than just a console as compensation, and having Linux support to begin with - that attracted the hacker crowd right there, that's what got Geohot involved.

 

Then they took Linux away, then Geohot hacked it back, then they mishandled that situation and sued Geohot, got themselves on the news for arresting other hackers, made ridiculous legal demands that violated people's privacy on unrelated services like youtube of all places - all only to settle and come out a big loser with Geohot walking away with a 10K donation to the EFF. But not before anonymous got pissed off enough for them to LIOC the crap out of Sony - while other hackers, also anonymous did the real damage by infiltrating the PSN system using Geohot's custom firmware running on one of Sony's own PS3 systems, via Linux.

 

 

There is a lesson in this for Sony. A pretty damn big one. STICK TO THE FUCKING VIDEO GAMES YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES. Next time don't muck around with internet browsers and running desktop operating systems and all that stupid, non-gaming related, curing cancer bullshit. Take a lesson from MS and make your games machine just that and that only! I can't believe how fucking stupid Sony is to not only have such embarrassingly horrible PS3 security, but to also make the PS3's security the ONLY line of defense that PSN had. Client side only security? What year is this, 1995? No wait, client side only security was horrible back then too. The horrible irony of this whole situation is that Sony is so fucking stupid, that it was the Linux support they first gave and then tried to take away that was used to hack PSN, right from a PS3 running CFW. There's so many layers to just how badly they set themselves up for this that they MUST deserve it.

 

It only does everything huh? Fucking morons. How about next time it ONLY DOES VIDEO GAMES? I mean, did anyone ever fucking ask for anything other than the next Playstation games machine? Which one you assholes asked for everything? 77 million users compromised. God Sony, you are so fucked.

 

 

 

 

"
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT
Posted by Andorski

So... I'm gonna use my Xbox again.


If only Uncharted 3 was on other systems.  Then I can easily stop supporting incompetence.
Posted by Magma_Pear
@DeShawn2ks said:
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                    @Silock said:
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                @Magma_Pear: Mate, your a fucking legend and I agree 100%, thanks for venting, on behalf of all of us! 
            "
Not all of us to me he comes off to me sounding like a whiny bitch. But yeah this situation does suck though. Buy pre paid cards, check you bank account and credit card info almost ever day (should have been doing this in the first place) I hope things get better for Sony and anyone affected by this.

                   

                "

@Elyhaym said:
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                    @Silock said:
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                @Magma_Pear: Mate, your a fucking legend and I agree 100%, thanks for venting, on behalf of all of us! 
            "
That's funny. I think he's absolutely awful.

                   

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@Silock said:
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                    @Magma_Pear: Mate, your a fucking legend and I agree 100%, thanks for venting, on behalf of all of us! 

                   

                "



Thanks for the support Silock!

 

For you other guys, I don't mean to hate on Sony but this situation is retarded. Of course the hackers responsible for all of this have some blame in it all, but at the end of the day, if you leave your house or your car unlocked and you get robbed, who ultimately is to blame for it? In part, YOU ARE. For being so stupid! And that's what Sony's done to the detriment of us all.

Posted by TadThuggish

Buh-bye PS3.

Posted by Duffyside
@KimFidler said:
" I have a new credit card on the way so that's all good.  What pisses me off is that I have to call the gas, cable, and electricity companies to change my automatic credit billing.  Thanks Sony! "
If you have a new card, wouldn't you have to do that anyway?
Posted by bhhawks78

I won't be adding a credit card to any sony system or site EVER again.

Posted by Xerxes8933A

The worst part about this?  I'm only finding out about this because I visit sites like this.  Not a single communication from PlayStation itself. 

What about the 90% of PSN users that don't visit sites like this?  When is Sony going to tell them they need to get new cards issued.

Posted by honeycut1

I like that they are encouraging all of us to remain vigilant by checking our own credit scores and bank statements. 

The whole situation stinks and it's been horribly handled.

Posted by kalakov

Another nice plot for an south Park episode.    

Posted by pot
@onimonkii said:
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                whatevs, i use psn cards, anyone could look up the rest of the info without hacking into psn, not a big deal at all really.
            "

Yeah it is a big deal. And please tell me where someone could look up my credit card info and PSN password?