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Posted by Matfei90

I'm glad I've only ever purchased things through XBL. Granted I wish I still went with a pure point card approach for everything, just to be safe.

Posted by AmericanNinja

Sony did a good job of handling this IMHO.

Posted by thomasonfa

I just visited PSN Blog and I could not help notice the comments.

Like, “Wow, this is alot of info. Thanks, this is very much appreciated by all of us Playstation fans - Ejsponge61".

Most were very positive. However, I wish people would think about it. If any other business had told your information was stolen, would you be upset. I'm peeved that they didn't say this in the beginning.

Also, this may be the LARGEST information theft in the world. Just think about how many people use PSN, millions.

Posted by jayjonesjunior

People don't give enough credit for the hackers, Sony didn't just give up the information, that person or group had to commit a crime to get it out.

 

Anyway most of the comments here come from people that don't even own a PS3.

Posted by circle
Posted by EgoCheck616

Awesome. I look forward to selling my PS3 on Friday and picking up a 3DS.

At least with a 3DS I can play Street Fighter IV online. 

Also, 134 Steam games have kept me from turning on my PS3 for weeks.
Posted by TepiDDeatH

I use point cards, not CC, so I feel relitivly safe. My twenty dollars and five cents better be in my wallet though LOL. Seriously, no NHL Game center during the play offs is kinda pissing me off though.

Posted by MadLeper
@Andorski said:
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Hacking the system =/= hacking the service.  There should be no reason why a device with custom firmware should give one access to any and all information on online servers.  I don't blame Sony for being arrogant in their appraisal for their once-uncrackable console, or for their legal actions once people were able to open up the PS3.  I blame them for their idiotic security method of having their system securities on the hardware rather then on their servers.

I'm not even that technically proficient in computer hardware/software, but even I understand the idea that if a person physically has a device with security measures on it, they can and will break through it.
"
You do realize that the entire purpose of the Rebug CFW was to spoof a developers console and so get access to the Developers section of the PSN right?  And more than likely once the hackers were inside that they started on breaching the entire PSN network.

After all, it's been pretty clear in the past that the goals of the PS3 hackers have been to 1: Get free games and 2: Hack into PSN to cheat and steal.

Jus imagine if these bloody hackers had decided to insert an infected FW update, or poison a few apps to destroy any local saved games or media?  Just like what a bunch of thieves would do after breaking into the store and looting the register, vandalize the shit out the place.
Posted by Battletoad
@thomasonfa said:
"
               

I just visited PSN Blog and I could not help notice the
comments.


Like, “Wow, this is alot of info. Thanks, this is very much
appreciated by all of us Playstation fans - Ejsponge61".


Most were very positive. However, I wish
people would think about it. If any other business had told your information
was stolen, would you be upset. I'm peeved that they didn't say this in the
beginning.


Also, this may be the LARGEST information theft in the
world. Just think about how many people use PSN, millions.


            "

I saw somewhere saying this was the 4th largest. Top place was something like 120 million. But yes, it's sad to see people so addicted to the products of a company that will not only defend them to the bitter end, but actually thank them for screwing them over.
Posted by Dylabaloo
@drhans said:
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Brilliant.
Edited by ComixZone


you can absolutely blame Sony for the intrusion. This is one of the largest online stores in the world. It's their job to protect our personal information. Full stop. That's it. It's their job.

 

They're supposed to protect our info, they failed - this is a huge failure on Sony's behalf and they should not in anyway be given a 'pass' due to being outcrafted by some hackers. It's their job to protect our info by outcrafting the crafty hackers.

 

 

...crafty.

Posted by MadLeper
@Battletoad said:

            "
I saw somewhere saying this was the 4th largest. Top place was something like 120 million. But yes, it's sad to see people so addicted to the products of a company that will not only defend them to the bitter end, but actually thank them for screwing them over. "
Well, to this day the XBOX360 fans still give MS a pass over the the whole RRoD fiasco and smugly declare that they've only had to replace their console 6 or 7 times.  

Fanboys are everywhere if you look hard enough
Posted by Subbeh
@jayjonesjunior said:
"

People don't give enough credit for the hackers, Sony didn't just give up the information, that person or group had to commit a crime to get it out.

 "


Yeah, you're right. Nice job guys! really appreiate the effort you've put in on this!
If you did get my CC details then buy yourselves something nice, my treat!
Posted by Andorski
@Battletoad said:
" @thomasonfa said:
"
               

I just visited PSN Blog and I could not help notice the
comments.


Like, “Wow, this is alot of info. Thanks, this is very much
appreciated by all of us Playstation fans - Ejsponge61".


Most were very positive. However, I wish
people would think about it. If any other business had told your information
was stolen, would you be upset. I'm peeved that they didn't say this in the
beginning.


Also, this may be the LARGEST information theft in the
world. Just think about how many people use PSN, millions.


            "
I saw somewhere saying this was the 4th largest. Top place was something like 120 million. But yes, it's sad to see people so addicted to the products of a company that will not only defend them to the bitter end, but actually thank them for screwing them over. "
There's a weird dichotomy when you read PS.Blog posts compared to posts that you see on majornelson.com.

PS users on the blog seem to be drinking the kool-aid a lot more.  In general, posts are more positive and thankful.  They praise Sony when they provide a feature and service and are understanding when something goes wrong.  I think it was really telling that PS.Blog commenters are always up to defend their console of choice when a whole bunch of them slammed Bethesda for not putting out their DLC on PS3 day-and-date with the 360.  In the article where a Bethesda community manager outlined all the DLC that was coming to the system, members were posting how furious they were for feeling like second-rate customers, and how horrible it was that Bethesda was willing to take money from MS to fund their DLC development.

Meanwhile, 360 users always seem to complain about something over at majornelson.com.  Their posts won't even be related to the article.  Larry Hyrb will post the XBL Deal of the Week, and the first few posts usually contain the sentiments, "When will Gold be free?," "I got banned from XBL, WTF?," or "I just bought a game on XBLA and I can't download it.  Fix this shit Microsoft."
Posted by ToxikPandaKoi

xbox ftw!

Posted by pikastar

Man what a mess. Just hope everything gets fixed up soon

Posted by blaakmawf

Fuuuuuuck.

Posted by super_machine

Well, balls for sony. In the mean time, I met a super awesome chick and had an awesome first date. PSN goes down, and my personal life goes up. Connection?

Posted by inkwolf

How could the hackers possibly have the passwords?  Only the hashed value of the password should be stored on Sony's servers.  Why would they have any reason to store the plantext password anywhere?  That's rediculous.
Posted by UlquiorraSchiffer
@cuevas: Yeah, seriously, some people are such fucking babies. They're hurting the users with this, not sony.
Posted by Stars2099
Posted by spazmaster666

Well at least the password that I use for PSN is one of my older passwords that I don't really use anymore.


Also, this probably isn't related (though it is a little ominous), I just tried to login to Bank of America online banking and the site seems to be down . . .
Posted by honeycut1

I find it difficult to believe that Sony had no idea that personal data was compromised until the outside firm told them so.

Posted by animateria
@spazmaster666 said:
" Well at least the password that I use for PSN is one of my older passwords that I don't really use anymore.

Also, this probably isn't related (though it is a little ominous), I just tried to login to Bank of America online banking and the site seems to be down . . .
"
I logged in fine just now.
Posted by laugurinn
@slantedwindows: they won't
Posted by yakov456

I expect to be contacted my many Nigerian Princes in the near future.

Posted by shodan2020
@Video_Game_King: @Video_Game_King said:
" Shit. I'd say that this makes me glad that I don't own a PS3, but I still want to play all those cool games. "
Just play them offline, like you used to on your PS2.  Hell, I still fire up my PS2 regularly... still enjoying many great titles. :)
Posted by UnsolvedParadox

I become more alarmed with every news update (great job, Patrick), and would be extremely reluctant to share any information with Sony ever again. I'll keep using PSN after I change all of my password, but I'll never trust them with my credit card or personal information again.

Posted by TooWalrus
@super_machine said:
" Well, balls for sony. In the mean time, I met a super awesome chick and had an awesome first date. PSN goes down, and my personal life goes up. Connection? "

I've been balls deep in late homework for a week now, but I feel like if the PSN shortage had really effected my gaming, I would have done the opposite of what you did- gone straight back to Warcraft.
Posted by gunslingerNZ
@Branthog said:
" I wouldn't be too worried about your passwords being exposed. Even Sony can't possibly be so incompetent as to store our passwords in plaintext or with a simple hash. Even the least experienced among us know that at the very least, you encrypt passwords with a salted hash so that they would be very difficult for someone to suss out (and probably computationally prohibitive if you're talking about doing so for 75-million passwords). If this isn't the case and the data was stored either as plaintext or a simple hash (meaning passwords can be exposed using a simple rainbow table attack) then it's a level of negligence that should almost border on criminal.

 http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/09/youre-probably-storing-passwords-incorrectly.html "
Wish GB had an upvote system so I could put this near the top. I'm incredibly pissed off with Sony right now but I'm still hopeful that they weren't so incompetent as to have the passwords stored unencrypted on their servers. Hopefully we get a full rundown on the situation though because the information they've provided so far has been woefully inadequate.

Again the same can be said for the Credit Card info. It should surely have been protected by some sort of strong encryption and if it wasn't then I'm first in line for the class action against Sony.
Posted by RobotHamster

I can just cancel my card and get a new one right?

Posted by Vextroid

Its things like this why I dont have/use a credit card.

Change you passwords (regualry, which you should do if you don't, changed my G-Mail as a precaution) and keep eye on your Credit Card statments and records, raise any flags with the bank on anything suspicious (If you don't already.)

Gonna occupy myself with some more Single-player action untill this situation gets under control.

Posted by Hawk456

Congratulations Gamestop... I will be buying any PSN point cards from you going forward. 
Posted by chads92

PC FOR THE WIN

Posted by Godlyawesomeguy
@super_machine said:
" Well, balls for sony. In the mean time, I met a super awesome chick and had an awesome first date. PSN goes down, and my personal life goes up. Connection? "
Definitely.
Posted by Silentsnake510

On a scale of one to shitty, this situation is pretty shitty

Posted by blastershift

Well the biggest issue I have is that it took them so long to bring this to information out. It should have been said the first or second day.

Oh well my visa is safe and sound

Posted by ThomasofTroy

wooot

Posted by Punk1984
@blastershift said:
" Well the biggest issue I have is that it took them so long to bring this to information out. It should have been said the first or second day.Oh well my visa is safe and sound "
According to them they didn't know until late yesterday.
Posted by policenaut

I'm glad I can sit through 800 firmware updates a year so shit can get fucked up anyway.

Posted by TwoOneFive

this is nothing short of epic. 



i hope they find the dickheads responsible and prosecute the shit out of them. 

seriously, what a bunch of loser/assholes. use your fucking computer skills for something worthwhile you fucking dickheads. 
Posted by YukoAsho

I think the larger issue here is that, as more and more people surrender more and more of their lives to the nebulous whims of the internet, this sort of stuff is going to keep on happening.  It's been proven again and again that sufficiently determined hackers will try relentlessly to break into systems.

And that's just this incident.  The Amazon Cloud shutdown shows us just how much simple acts of God that once wouldn't effect more than the area where they occurred can now be felt nationwide, and even worldwide, and the prospect of a society free of physical media become nightmarish.

I hope these two incidents have at least some people looking very seriously at the implications of moving our entire way of life onto something so drastically effected by the mercurial fates.

Posted by hollitz

Well this is great news for XBL.  Can't imagine too many people are going to be eager to give PSN any money now.
Posted by Punk1984
@YukoAsho said:
"I hope these two incidents have at least some people looking very seriously at the implications of moving our entire way of life onto something so drastically effected by the mercurial fates. "
It won't by next Monday it will be business as usual for everyone involved but Sony's security, who will have to work a little harder. It is the same reason why people still eat Big Macs after they've been proven to have fecal matter in them. It is just easier to get a Big Mac than grill your own. "Easier" wins over "Common Sense" every time.

Earlier this evening I thought this hack could have last repercussions from Sony. After reading the boards and seeing the same system centric biases I'm pretty sure it will be over before you know it.
Posted by YukoAsho
@Punk1984 said:
" @YukoAsho said:
"I hope these two incidents have at least some people looking very seriously at the implications of moving our entire way of life onto something so drastically effected by the mercurial fates. "
It won't by next Monday it will be business as usual for everyone involved but Sony's security, who will have to work a little harder. It is the same reason why people still eat Big Macs after they've been proven to have fecal matter in them. It is just easier to get a Big Mac than grill your own. "Easier" wins over "Common Sense" every time.

Earlier this evening I thought this hack could have last repercussions from Sony. After reading the boards and seeing the same system centric biases I'm pretty sure it will be over before you know it.
"
Well, forums are cesspools, so I try to not base my opinions on them.  Let's be honest, the only difference between Giant Bomb and most other game sites is that the moderators at least try not to let it descend into chaos.  While some console zombies (and probably the Bombcast crew) will be back to extoling how download only is THE ONLY FUTURE and how those of us resisting are holding everything back, I'm sure there will be people outside of the echo chamber at least considering this.  I think back to the supposed "paperless society."  Remember that a few years back?  How we wouldn't need paper anymore because we could just store all our documents on our computers?  Instead, people used more paper than ever because they wanted hard copies.  The "digital future" might just end up being another pipe dream like the "paperless society."  At least we can hope.
Posted by TadThuggish

It was only about a week ago that I finally admitted that the PS3 was on par with the 360 in terms of online content.


When I get home, I may sell the thing.  Or burn it.  I can't believe this shit.
Posted by Punk1984
@YukoAsho: I hope you're right, there is a woman at my office who prints out every email she gets...I weep for the forests. However outside of the echo chamber let's be honest most people will ignore this and go on about their day, week, year. The problem comes in any lasting damage to Sony's brand image. We will know in the next few weeks if that will happen. If this is a huge blemish on the digital age maybe people will notice (people know about RROD) but I don't think that will happen. Like I said Monday after next no one will care.
Posted by tightestjeans
Posted by kalmis
@RobotHamster said:
" I can just cancel my card and get a new one right? "
No, but you can report your card to be stolen. Then you should get new one.
Posted by BlueFroman
@slantedwindows: Everyone should get free Playstation plus for life.