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Posted by BirdkeeperDan

Didn't want to start a new topic but I have a quick question. Will Nintendo rerelease HD versions of their previous Wii games? I got a Wii for almost nothing and am wondering if I should play the first party games now or if there is high likelihood for HD rereleases. I don't really care how long it takes until a potiential rerelease but I wouldn't feel great if I bought the SD version and soon after hear confirmation of HD rereleases.

Posted by scorptile1

actually it would be upscaled not by choice especially if your using the HDMI cord instead of the RCA jacks. look at dvd's using a blue ray player they are read by that but not really upscaled only by using the hdmi cord cause that is what that port does. the graphics themselves would stay the same yes but the stream to the tv would be HD. you gotta read between the lines and know the tech. did you know the majority of people that wanted nintendo to remake the wii only wanted a HDMI port on the back? because the cord combined with the tv upscales the image automatically. look at xbox360 yes it has power for HD but the original 360 used an HDMI port to connect to the HDTV in order for the tv to upscale the game. The screens you would get may not be HD on the disc but through the port it would look like it was HD. 

Edited by NTM

Of course not. They'd want to hold on to make an HD remake. Pffffffffffff (<-- that was a fart).

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Posted by thedj93

FUCK. 
Dude that sucks. I wanted to see the wii games I'd missed on my flatscreen, sharp and everything. 
 
CMON.  
This fucking sucks dicks.

Posted by Dranoc

Dolphin simply draws the geometry at a higher resolution, providing sharper edges through higher resolution (and also through AA if you enable it), which can make a game look a lot better even with low-res textures. The textures are still the same low-res textures as you saw when playing on the Wii itself. There aren't any hidden texture files on the disc, and the Wii isn't downsizing them. The textures may look better when the game is rendered at a higher resolution due to how they fill the larger surface, or if some upscaling interpolation is used, but there isn't an extra texture file sitting around from the original Wii disc that the emulator is then using, unless somebody has manually recreated new texture files for use with the emulator (which a number of people do and have been doing for other emulators for a while). If you heard that Wii games were developed with higher resolution geometry and textures then you heard correct, but understand that NEARLY ALL GAMES are developed like this. Pretty much every modern game uses high-res meshes and textures that are simplified and then made to look nicer with various shaders and post-processing effexts so that acceptable performance can be achieved on the anticipated hardware while maintaining a certain level of quality. Its a part of development, not some conspiracy to kill your video quality, and the high-res meshes and textures from development are not hidden on the disc you buy. 
 
There has also been only a few GC games re-released for the Wii, so why does everybody think that Nintendo is going to re-release all the big Wii games for the WiiU? I would love to play Galaxy and Prime 3 with little AA applied, but those games already look decent as they weren't ported up from the GC like Twilight Princess. It would be nicer to have the upscaling for some GC games, but its not a dealbreaker.
Posted by valrog

And that's why you emulate Wii games on PC and play Super Mario Galaxy in High Definition.

Posted by DrMcKittrick

I get the crazy feeling that this system will not see the light of day. I also believe in Jon Davisons opinion on Weekend Confirmed that this system may be the one that blows up in Nintendo's face.

Having no backward's compatibility with GC games and no upscaling at least for their major titles like Mario when it has already been developed in HD is a huge deal breaker for me.

I seriously hope Nintendo is put to rest when they release this crap system.

Posted by Kjellm87

Well, dammit Nintendo. I want Wii U to be able to play my Wii, GC, Snes and Nes and GB games for the heck of it, all in glorious HD, or no BUY.

No, not really, shees people. If this wasn't not a news page, it wouldn't be a problem. I know you guys by now.

Posted by MikkaQ

@Claude said:

In days like this, you pay to play or steal. Your choice. To me, it's all about cost reduction and profit. But it's a business, so black is better than red. I'll buy it again and again. I'm a fool like that.

Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?

But yeah I bought the dang game once, and when it's like a 15 year old adventure game or even 10 year old PS2 title, whatever I don't mind paying again. But Galaxy 2 is relatively new paying for it again isn't that attractive.

I'll bite if it's both the Galaxy games for 20 bucks or something, but definitely not paying full price again. Especially since all these HD releases on other platforms are like 10$ downloadables or a 30$ disc with more than two games on 'em.

Posted by Claude

@XII_Sniper said:

@Claude said:

@Devildoll said:

i think its strange that reggie told geoff keighley that wii games are made with assets that dont scale up .

just look at any youtube video of someone playing a wii game on an emulator , stuff looks like its able to scale up to higher resolutions.

and they look pretty sweet compared to what they look when you run them on a wii.

That's the thing, if you want to play games for free in HD from the Wii that option is there. Why should Nintendo pay to put it in their new console? Thanks.

Cause I want a hassle-free and non-illegal way to do it? Plus it wouldn't cost much, it's not like they need extra hardware, it's all software. It wouldn't even take a great many man-hours to do. Hell the PS3 did it like 5 years ago.

In days like this, you pay to play or steal. Your choice. To me, it's all about cost reduction and profit. But it's a business, so black is better than red. I'll buy it again and again. I'm a fool like that.

Posted by MikkaQ

@Claude said:

@Devildoll said:

i think its strange that reggie told geoff keighley that wii games are made with assets that dont scale up .

just look at any youtube video of someone playing a wii game on an emulator , stuff looks like its able to scale up to higher resolutions.

and they look pretty sweet compared to what they look when you run them on a wii.

That's the thing, if you want to play games for free in HD from the Wii that option is there. Why should Nintendo pay to put it in their new console? Thanks.

Cause I want a hassle-free and non-illegal way to do it? Plus it wouldn't cost much, it's not like they need extra hardware, it's all software. It wouldn't even take a great many man-hours to do. Hell the PS3 did it like 5 years ago.

Posted by Genjai

@drhans: Nintendo is so ridiculous, it hurts.

Posted by aspaceinvader

Not interested in this wii upgraded console. Bit of a disappointment they didn't give us a totally new console. Why does name sound like ryu?

Posted by thenexus

It is dam obvious that Super Mario Galaxy 3 with strange screen use in HD.

Posted by Marokai
@pocketfudge said:
How else are they going to try to resell you HD versions of the same crap you've already bought?  Typical Nintendo.
Yep, and with the vastly expanded bluray-like-storage they're using for the Wii U, they'll be able to cram together tons of games for HD collection re-releases.
Posted by Cold_Wolven

That kinda sucks, I thought I heard those Wii games were made at higher res and lowered on the Wii. This seems like an attempt from Nintendo to cash in on people's need for HD games, if so they better be full HD and maybe controls that give players the option to play dual analogue controls.

Posted by blaakmawf

Lame.

Posted by BenLaserlove

Uh, guys. There's a difference between enhancing Wii games through a reverse-engineered emulator, and just playing the same game through similar processors.

Posted by Vexxan

Well this sucks :/

Posted by umdesch4

@pot: But, even though I disagree with the example you used, I will still agree with the specific point you were making, that not all other consoles have dropped the ball on backwards compatibility. Ironically, the best example I have in my house is the Wii itself. I still can't believe they've got those semi-hidden gamecube controller ports in there, and all the gamecube discs I've seen play totally fine....so there you go. We should expect at least "faithful" backwards compatibility between the Wii and Wii U.

Edited by AndrewB

So the best Nintendo console is still a PC? 
 
Seriously. Mario Galaxy in "HD" looks freaking amazing.

Posted by rmanthorp

Weird that Dolphin can but oh well...

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Edited by umdesch4

@pot: You obviously didn't go from an xbox with an extensive library to an xbox 360. Even the stuff I have that "works" (eg. SSX 3) is glitchy enough that Nintendo would never allow that to ship as "backwards compatible".

PS. According to wikipedia, about 51% of xbox games are playable on the 360, and in my experience, that's about right.

Posted by pot
@chickdigger802 said:


                   

funny how everyone is whining. At least the system has backwards compatibility unlike all the other systems. One thing that nintendo excels at, emulation. Virtual Console emulation is near flawless.

I'm pretty sure nintendo could if they wanted to but it's such a shitty business decision.

Spend X amount of time and money to get this feature so that people can go pick up wii games from gamestop used games bin?



                   

               

Huh? 360 still has "backwards compatibility" for its last system. So no, not "unlike all the other systems".
Posted by umdesch4

Would it really be that easy to do? I mean, how long did Dolphin take to get playable? I remember the first couple of times I tried it, before there was a flood of youtube videos of SMG, and there was serious jank for the first few months. The Nintendo devs would have to rebuild the emulation stuff from scratch, I bet, and if it made it into a mass market product, they'd want it to work 100% for every game you could use it with. That doesn't sound easy to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

Edited by NTM

That's certainly not good news, but I I really don't care all that much. As long as they have great games to come along on it I'll be fine. I'm most excited to see what these new exclusive Nintendo games will look like. Link, Mario, and Samus in the detail of something like Marcus Fenix, Nathan Drake, and/or Kratos would be a neat thing to see. Starting with the Wii, they kind of brought on a lot of new but needless accessories and tried to win people over with all the new tech, and I wasn't and am still not into that. I'm all for innovation, but when they bring so much into it that it starts getting into an area where it's not all about the gaming experience but more, I'm out.

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Posted by Claude

@Devildoll: Most of the Wii audience, much like me, don't care. Those things look fine in 480p.

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@Claude:

well , the casual part of the wii audience are probably not aware of the possibility of running wii games on a pc , or capable of setting that stuff up.

i haven't read up on this, but I'd guess Nintendo doesn't really want wii emulators to exist. nor condone the use of them.

its probably going to cost some to develop it. but i think that would be money well spent.

guys doing emulators know their stuff for sure , but they usually don't have the access or complete knowledge of how the wii and its games work.

Nintendo engineers on the other hand, who are artisans at this , shouldn't have any trouble pulling this off.

they should be able to pull of software emulation much more efficiently than on pc. granted , they have a lower amount of horsepower to work with.

but unless the architecture too different , they should be okay.

i'd say that that would increase the value of a Wii u more than a little.

but the thing i reacted most to was that Reggie said that wii games assets are not of a higher fidelity than what is displayed on the wii.

when that is clearly not the case , at least not for all wii games.

Posted by Claude

@Devildoll said:

i think its strange that reggie told geoff keighley that wii games are made with assets that dont scale up .

just look at any youtube video of someone playing a wii game on an emulator , stuff looks like its able to scale up to higher resolutions.

and they look pretty sweet compared to what they look when you run them on a wii.

That's the thing, if you want to play games for free in HD from the Wii that option is there. Why should Nintendo pay to put it in their new console? Thanks.

Posted by Devildoll

i think its strange that reggie told geoff keighley that wii games are made with assets that dont scale up .

just look at any youtube video of someone playing a wii game on an emulator , stuff looks like its able to scale up to higher resolutions.

and they look pretty sweet compared to what they look when you run them on a wii.

Posted by Matterman
@NYHorn36 said:
This doesn't bother me at all for some reason.
Really? It would be so easy to do.
Posted by NYHorn36

This doesn't bother me at all for some reason.

Posted by JasonR86

Ahhhhh fuck!

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Posted by chickdigger802

funny how everyone is whining. At least the system has backwards compatibility unlike all the other systems. One thing that nintendo excels at, emulation. Virtual Console emulation is near flawless.

I'm pretty sure nintendo could if they wanted to but it's such a shitty business decision.

Spend X amount of time and money to get this feature so that people can go pick up wii games from gamestop used games bin?

Posted by Grilledsasquatch

Eh, that sucks. Ghost Squad would've looked sexy upscaled in HD :o)

Posted by pot

If people don't properly genuflect before Wii U the resident apologist starts with the mean spirited personal attacks.

Posted by Hardgamer

Oh well, Goodbye Nintendo Wii....

Edited by MrKlorox

Missed opportunity. A good deal of Wii games look excellent in 720p when emulated. I was hoping Nintendo would provide an official means of doing this instead of people having to resort to PC emulators.

Posted by DeadDorf

Lame.

Posted by Xpgamer7

That sucks. But knowing Nintendo I didn't expect them to think of putting it in.

Posted by ryanwho
@UnsolvedParadox said:

This is killing me, killing me! I have stacks of unopened Wii game as I desperately clung to the hope that an upscaling Wii HD would release...and here we are. BLEH.

@shiftplusone said:
My desire for this system was" if it upscales wii games I'm getting it no matter what" That's all I wanted from it Oh well
This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. Someone teach these special eds how to use an emulator so they'll stop sulking.
Posted by shiftplusone

My desire for this system was" if it upscales wii games I'm getting it no matter what"

That's all I wanted from it

Oh well

Posted by Grumbel
@DavoTron said:
Won't being plugged in via HDMI make it look better anyway? OR AM I TALKIN' JACK
In theory, yes, as HDMI is digital while component is analog, but that's a difference that is so tiny you need a magnifying glass to see it.
Posted by Pandasaurus

@n8: don't you mean WiiK?

Posted by UnsolvedParadox

This is killing me, killing me! I have stacks of unopened Wii game as I desperately clung to the hope that an upscaling Wii HD would release...and here we are. BLEH.

Posted by SuperSambo

People care?

It's not as if people are going to buy this crap right?

Posted by DavoTron

Won't being plugged in via HDMI make it look better anyway? OR AM I TALKIN' JACK

Posted by umdesch4

2 things: I find it good that they're addressing Wii backwards-compatibility across the board, at least. XBOX->XBOX360 compatibility on a title-by-title basis over the course of years, with some original Xbox titles *still* left in the cold left a far worse taste in my mouth

How many people even know that Wii discs have higher quality assets on them to even begin caring about it, and (pardon my ignorance) how many discs even have those assets in the first place?

In other words, is it really that unreasonable, and worth their effort to make this happen?

Posted by McGhee

I grew up loving Nintendo. Sadly, those days are long gone.

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@Scarlet_Rogue said:

No gamecube games and no upscaling. I'm sure someone's said this before, but apparently the U in Wii U stands for useless.

You mean all it does is play new games? Yeah that's useless. You trolls are pretty pathetic. Especially people aligned with Sony, saying shit like this with a straight face and no sense of irony.
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