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Edited by Zirilius
@Tennmuerti said:

EA online pas + PSN online pass  REJOICE!!!!! So now when you by an EA PS3 game you will have to pay $20 extra! 10 to EA and 10 to Sony. Woooot! Fucking LMAO  

 
Pretty sure this is for Sony published games  only. Not every game being released that has MP for PSN
Posted by TobbRobb

I always buy new and never resell, so a problem this is not. Really, good for them, finally focusing on the bigger enemy instead of freaking pirates.

Posted by KoolAid
@Branthog

More "fuck the consumer" innovation. Have more than one gamer in the household? You get to pay us more money! You know, the same way you have to pay extra money for cable if you have two viewers in the household. Or how you have to pay double for a music CD or DVD if there is more than one person in the household.

I don't think it works that way. Last time I used one of these it hooked up to my psn, so any system that had my psn registered could play online.

Dont know if that speaks for all of the different online passes though...
Posted by BigSteve1983

Not surprising however for games Like Uncharted losing the online mode isn't that much of a pain (Always felt the MP was tacked on) however if there is games which have a good MP mode people will probably just wait until a price drop and then pick it up then.
 
It's not hard to do and also it gives people a chance to see if there is an active community for the game and what people are saying in user reviews.

Posted by Tumbler

I think Dice's/EA's solution with BFBC2's passcode was perfect. Everyone could still play online but with the code you gradually got more maps and modes that people without the code would want. I think many companies are simply trying to lock the entire mp side of the game up so that people have to pay them to get access. I'm a heavy used game trader and I don't think I've ever purchased one of these codes. I rarely see the point. I have picked up new copies of games that had the codes, homefront comes to mind, but when I get a used copy of something it feels like a scam to pay them to let me play the MP of a game they've already been paid for. I'm getting a copy of MK for the 360 soon and I might spend $10 on that pass...but again...is it really worth $10? I keep coming back with "NO" and moving to another game.

If they were to add content with that code then I'd feel differently but as long as they just want ppl to pay them for something they've already been paid for I think this just works against them. The person who bought the game and traded it to me isn't playing with that pass anymore...it's not like you have to suddenly support 2 ppl playing the game, there is only one copy of the game being played.

Posted by KoolAid
@Branthog
From ea's FAQ

Do I need an unique Online Pass for every user on my console?
No.  One Online Pass will give online access to multiple users logged into the console where the Online Pass was first activated (subject to the console manufacturer’s and EA online terms of service).

Also, the user that activated the Online Pass will be allowed to access online features on other consoles (of the same manufacturer) by logging into the same account credentials that they used when they enabled the Online Pass.

What happens if I play at a friend’s console?
If you have purchased Online Pass access or redeemed a code for free access on one console, you can use your access on any other console.  To do so, sign in using your Xbox LIVE gamertag or PSN ID persona on your friend’s console when playing online.

What happens if my console dies or is lost or stolen?
If you have already redeemed the code from your game manual or purchased Online Pass access, you will be able to access online features from any console using the same Xbox 360 gamertag or PlayStation 3 persona.  You may need to go to the ‘my downloaded content’ section in Xbox LIVE Marketplace or PSN Store to re-download your EA SPORTS Online Pass.
Posted by benjaebe

Buy all my games new, doesn't bother me, etc. etc.

It's almost as if everyone complaining has never played a PC game before. You have no choice BUT to buy a game new on PC, especially now that things like Steamworks have been introduced.

Seriously, there are enough sales on new titles (or store credit offered through Amazon and Best Buy, etc.) that I can't think of a logical reason you would buy a game used at retail.

Posted by tourgen

I think installing and maintaining a game on a console is more complicated than on a PC these days.  Pretty funny watching the snake eat itself.

Posted by squidracerX
@TechHits said:
@Oscrix said:
Completely gross. There goes another reason to tout the PS3 over the 360.
don't you mean the 360 over the ps3?
Yeah i was thinking the same thing, not a very good troll attack; he has it backwards or else he just didn't know what tout means? (Basically you said 'to brag about or sing the praises of' the PS3 over the Xbox.)
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@Kyle said:

I AM COMPLETELY SHOCKED AND ALSO OUTRAGED! RAAAAAAH! I will also now sit here in this comment section for the rest of the day, furiously arguing idiotic points with other idiots until we all pass out!  Seriously though, whatever. People who make things and maintain them want to get payed for them. Go figure.

I wonder how that worked out in the past. Oh yeah... it worked out pretty well.
Edited by Binarynova

I buy practically all my games new. The only time I don't is if new copies aren't on the shelf anymore. I still love my PS3 (and to a slightly smaller degree, my 360), but the direction that console gaming is heading is making me happier and happier to have re-invested in PC gaming this year.

Posted by solidejake

What happens if I bring my game over to a friend's or use it on another person's account?

Posted by Zirilius
@KoolAid said:
@Branthog From ea's FAQ Do I need an unique Online Pass for every user on my console? No.  One Online Pass will give online access to multiple users logged into the console where the Online Pass was first activated (subject to the console manufacturer’s and EA online terms of service). Also, the user that activated the Online Pass will be allowed to access online features on other consoles (of the same manufacturer) by logging into the same account credentials that they used when they enabled the Online Pass. What happens if I play at a friend’s console? If you have purchased Online Pass access or redeemed a code for free access on one console, you can use your access on any other console.  To do so, sign in using your Xbox LIVE gamertag or PSN ID persona on your friend’s console when playing online. What happens if my console dies or is lost or stolen? If you have already redeemed the code from your game manual or purchased Online Pass access, you will be able to access online features from any console using the same Xbox 360 gamertag or PlayStation 3 persona.  You may need to go to the ‘my downloaded content’ section in Xbox LIVE Marketplace or PSN Store to re-download your EA SPORTS Online Pass.
Posted by Redbullet685

I fucking hate these pass things.

Posted by SethPhotopoulos

Meh.

Posted by Chaos_Bladez

I fail to see how this is bad or how the PS3 is worse than the 360 because of this.
I think they have some right to get something from second hand sales and they don't lock out dire content or lock you out of a way to get it.
 
This is on 360 also, so that argument is stupid.

Edited by Quacktastic

I buy everything new and I still think it's lame.  For some reason, I thought Sony had already been doing this for a while.

Posted by Demoskinos
@benjaebe: Only reason I could see is if you are wanting a older title that is no longer in print.  If I wanted a copy of say....  Silent Hill 2 on the PS2 your only choice is to really scour the used game market to find it.    As far as games within 1-2 years of printing  I agree with you as I buy all my games new.
Posted by Grillbar

@Redbullet685 said:

I fucking hate these pass things.

me to but i understand why they are there.

i hate people who buy used games, i understand that not everybody has the money to buy every game they want but by buying it used your fucking over the dev, and supporting gamestop, eb games, blockbuster but in a wrong way, they should not make money that way by making a profit on something they have allready sold once and have a huge profit on.

i was in a gamestop not to long ago, and i saw a used game being sold for roughly 2$ less then the retail game. it was mw 2, and the retail price was rougly 55$ i mean come on that game was release on november 2009 and only dropped 5 bucks from retail price, god i hate gamestop,

@Tennmuerti said:
EA online pas + PSN online pass REJOICE!!!!! So NOW when you by an EA PS3 game you will have to pay $20 extra! 10 to EA and 10 to Sony. Woooot! Fucking LMAO

i think they will if not remove it then atleast make it so that the psn and ea pass counts as one, since you have to have both. if not then im gonna hate ea so much for this i dont wanna input 2 codes just cuz some people dont wanna pony on a little xtra

Posted by Tim_the_Corsair

To people who argue in favour of this bullshit by saying that developers are getting ripped off by the used game market:

There is absolutely no proof that the person who buys Resistance 3 used for 20 bucks would have bought it at all if he had been forced to buy it new. Developers are NOT just automatically being denied a sale, and buying into that argument is just stupid.

Posted by MeatSim

I really don't enjoy entering all these 25 character codes.

Posted by aspaceinvader

i thought this was already happening in games, Homefront locks you at level six unless you enter the code to unlock the rest of the online features, or you can buy an online pass on xbla marketplace, LA Noire another game with an online pass for more content which you have to pay for, Mortal kombat again same deal, althought both MK and LA Noire with these passes your getting the dlc already paid for. I can see this catching on as we are being subjected to it already.

Posted by MJHAYLETT

I don't play games online so these Online Passes make no difference to me......muwahahahaha I buy games used and don't care if the Online is locked. Saying that though if I did play Online then I assume I would buy games new day one so that I could play Online as soon as possible so what is the big deal with these passes anyway?

Posted by SeriouslyNow

@Branthog said:

@Kyle said:

I AM COMPLETELY SHOCKED AND ALSO OUTRAGED! RAAAAAAH! I will also now sit here in this comment section for the rest of the day, furiously arguing idiotic points with other idiots until we all pass out! Seriously though, whatever. People who make things and maintain them want to get payed for them. Go figure.

I don't give a fuck what they want. I already bought the game. I shouldn't have to pay $10 more so my roommate can play the game, too. The same way I shouldn't have to buy another copy of a book, movie, CD, cable subscription, internet subscription, or other service or consumable just because there might be more than one person in my household who might utilize it.

Books, movies and music don't have an extremely short shelf life, they don't become obsolete at anywhere near the rate of videogames. They generally don't rely on server based, 24/7 uptime technologies to be enjoyed. Cable subscriptions do require an extra cost per box and transfer. You're ranting like a crazy person again.

Posted by wickedsc3

I always but games new, but its shit like this that makes me want to buy games used, because if they are going to make it harder for people who purchase the game new by having them put in a code, then i want to make it harder for them to make money(such as buyin used games).

Posted by JeanM

Since I NEVER buy used games, this isn't a problem for me. Cheers.

Posted by Lind_L_Taylor
@CrazyChris said:

@Oscrix said:

Completely gross. There goes another reason to tout the PS3 over the 360.

Hope you're wearing flame-proof clothes, soon the blue names will arrive. :(

This doesn't matter.  I still see the new games on the market drop to
$20 & they'll still have their fucking codes.  It takes a couple years to
dump inventory & the longer the wait, the more money you get in
your pocket for those so-so games.  For games that you absolutely
must have, you'll be putting forth the $60 anyway, so it won't matter.
Don't know how popular Resistance 3 is to justify it.  Those on the 
fence will simply wait.
Posted by EgoCheck616

Am I the only one who thinks this is a HORRIBLE time for Sony to be pushing something like this?

Then again, I got rid of my PS3 and went pure PC. It pays to live free.

Edited by Slaker117

Guess I won't be playing any multiplayer games on my PS3. I was kind of already not doing that.

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Posted by l4wd0g

I feel so raped.

Posted by gorkamorkaorka

You're all mad that the company you don't give any money to (the developer) by buying used games is mad that they're not getting money from you when they should have been in the first place?

Posted by zombie007

This shit need to stop. Not supporting any game that includes this.

Posted by Nasar7

I don't really see the problem with this. I either buy games near release or wait for them to drop to $20-$30 on amazon. I never buy used anymore. And chances are those games I wait for price drops on, I don't really care about their multiplayer.

Posted by Example1013

@Oscrix said:

Completely gross. There goes another reason to tout the PS3 over the 360.

EA has already been doing this for PS3 games. I don't see what you're getting at with this.

Posted by Xpgamer7

I hate it when companies pull shit like this.

Posted by Katkillad

Online passes giving extra incentive buying new by providing extra content = good. Online passes requiring you to pay money to play online = fucking dumb. Glad i got rid of my ps3 when they had the security breach.

Considering 360 owners already pay to play online, i hope they would see how terrible of an idea it would be to charge to play online for a used game...that you would already be paying to play online.

Posted by Rolyatkcinmai

I have no problem with these initiatives as I buy all my games new, but it's really funny how all these companies try to spin it in a way that makes them sound like they're adding value for the customer.

Posted by RsistncE
@Akeldama said:

Buying games used is bad for the industry anyway. All you guys complaining need a little perspective.

Comments like these ones which are supporting this scam on the behalf of publishers are fucking hilarious. When the industry is doing anything it is doing so because of the profit motive; anything they do, they do to make money. But for some reason when it comes to consumers, all the corporate dick suckers ask us to "have a heart" or "get a little perspective". 
 
Fuck. That. 
 
If the game is cheaper used than it is new  then the obvious move by me as a consumer is to buy the cheaper alternative. Publishers want me to buy new? Then either release the games for cheaper (which probably wouldn't change anything unless the price cuts were deep enough) or determine a legitimate way of making the new product a more attractive buy then the used product.
Posted by benjaebe

@EgoCheck616 said:

Am I the only one who thinks this is a HORRIBLE time for Sony to be pushing something like this?

Then again, I got rid of my PS3 and went pure PC. It pays to live free.

Yeah, it sure is a good thing that you went pure PC. Now you'll never have to deal with entering activation codes and CD keys to enable online play or...oh, wait.

Posted by Brodehouse

Yeah, I used to punch in CD Keys when I played PC games ten years ago. Back when PC games set the standard for games.

Now console games set the standard and ... yeah, CD keys. Wait I'm... I'm not... am I supposed to be upset? This isn't new. Console games have taken cues from all the PC (consider what online console multiplayer meant 10 years ago) and this is just another one.

Add to this, Giant Bomb and the video game community in general only pay lipservice to their ideas of 'consumer freedom'. They spill hours of their lives in useless internet frustration, and then actively travel to a store (or internet storefront), go buy the thing they hate, grumbling and mumbling all the while about how they're being taken advantage of. I don't want to make any crass sexual assault analogies, but Christ dude. Shut up and stop buying games. Please. Leave them to those of us who know what a dollar is worth. Or at least just shut up, I'm sick of hearing the entitled bullshit.

Posted by Brodehouse

@RsistncE: The producers of the games are under no obligation to support a used market. If they want to CD key their games to eliminate all used sales, they can do it. The only reason the cheaper alternative even exists is because they've tried to be lenient, and they completely don't have to. PC publishers figured this out a decade ago.

As you said, they're driven by profit. The only way they can achieve profit is by designing a game people want at a price they're willing to pay. And nowhere in there is there some magical fairy law that says they have to coddle Gamestop.

All games go CD key, I don't care. All my Steam games are locked to my profile, it's never bothered my ass.

Edited by EgoCheck616

@benjaebe said:

@EgoCheck616 said:

Am I the only one who thinks this is a HORRIBLE time for Sony to be pushing something like this?

Then again, I got rid of my PS3 and went pure PC. It pays to live free.

Yeah, it sure is a good thing that you went pure PC. Now you'll never have to deal with entering activation codes and CD keys to enable online play or...oh, wait.

Huh? What did you say? I couldn't hear you from up here on top of my mountain of games.

Posted by amomjc

Gaming companies need money to pay their employee's, there is nothing wrong with what Sony is doing here. I have always hated the on-going war of Pre-owned vs. New. If your going to buy it used, get used to the fact that you need to send some money the developers way.

Posted by vinsanity09

Thanks EA.

Posted by RsistncE
@Brodehouse: It doesn't bother me either...what bothers me is people trying to get us to side with publishers. Fact of the matter is that eliminating the used game market might be incredibly harmful to those same publishers since used games provide people with a cheaper way of obtaining games because let's be realistic here...$60 is too expensive for most people, so trade ins bring those games into the reach of those who don't have that much cash to drop at every release. Either way, the market will sort itself out; I believe publishers will be hit pretty heavily by their own stupidity one way or another.
Posted by YoThatLimp

@louiedog said:

@DivineCC said:

@Oscrix said:

Completely gross. There goes another reason to tout the PS3 over the 360.

At least you don't have to pay $60 a year to be able to play online.

Do many people actually pay $60? A year of gold goes on sale for $35-$40 all the time and there have been a ton of deals on the dashboard like $1 for a month, sometimes letting you buy up to 6 at a time. Paying $60 for gold is like paying the sticker price on a car or mattress. It's a silly thing to do.

I pay 100$ a year for 4 live accounts.

Posted by Chaoticarsonist
@benjaebe
Gamestop's return policy on used games allows you to return any used game within 7 days of purchase, provided that you still have the receipt. You get all of your money back, in cash(or whatever you used to pay for it).
As a result, I now buy most single-player games used from Gamestop, then return them.  
Yes, I know it's bad for the industry. But, I don't make enough money to play all the games that I want to play, so this is an adequate solution for me.
Posted by Marokai

Those damn dirty used game sales.

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Posted by niamahai

sooo just wait till amazon or whoever drops the price to $40 NEW 5WEEKS LATER.

how is this ever an issue.

gawd.

Posted by afrofools

Real innovative making console players enter a code to play their game they have paid for. They might as well lock the whole game to completely kill used game sales and so they can enable the customers to download their redeemed games if they sit on their disc. Games should be completely downloadable in this day and age, but available as cards in shop and optionally as discs so you don't have to wait for them to download.

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