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Posted by ChrisTaran

I will still never download or use EA's Origin service. This changes nothing for me.

Posted by Eribuster

Reads like they haven't changed anything.

Posted by HarryDemeanor
@ribeye said:

@KarateKid said:

Unless they plan on making origin a prereqesit to install their new games, I will never install it on my computer.

And even if they do I might think twice about getting that particular title. I just hope SW: TOR doesn't require it.

SWTOR will definitely use Origin

Only if you want to purchase it digitally. Other than that, you don't need to run it as it uses its own separate patcher. 
 
Here's a quote about it from Stephen Reid:  

Regardless of what other games may choose to do in their integration with Origin's desktop client, here's what our situation is:

You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for Star Wars: The Old Republic.

This applies whether you purchase The Old Republic via Origin.com or from a retailer in boxed form. You will not be forced to install the Origin desktop client.

There are still various consumer benefits to the client itself, but it's not required for The Old Republic.

Posted by WinterSnowblind

Too little too late. Uninstalled the program and it'll stay that way until I actually have something I want to play on it (and considering I don't care about ToR or Battlefield, that won't be soon).

I had just started to really like EA too, seems they don't want Activision showing them up as the no.1 evil publisher.

Posted by bell8033

@Shuborno: I did the exact same thing.

Posted by MrSlapHappy
@WEGGLES said:

Could you PLEASE put a note in the article that Application (with an upper-case A) means origin, not ANY application on your computer? It says that at the beginning of the EULA, but people seem to be ignoring that part.

"This License governs

your use of this application and all related software, documentation, and updates

and upgrades that replace or supplement the application and are not distributed

with a separate license (together, the “Application”)"

Application, with an upper-case A refers to Origin and any games installed with Origin. This is an important detail that is being ignored in favour of hivemind outrage.

I was actually going to post a question regarding this. I didn't see you're post until after, so I deleted my post after the fact. And with it went my bad DnD joke... That being explicitly stated, I think I am back on board, tentatively.
Posted by Claude

We still want to fuck you up the ass, but now with more lubrication.

Posted by Scodiac

Whatever. I don't care either way. I'll use Origin for early access to SWTOR before I get my physical copy and I might buy Battlefield there if I don't get it for 360. All this bullshit will never affect me or my gaming experience. It's all behind the scenes. It's market research.

Also, I'm pretty sure steam does something extremely similar to this. Yet, steam asked me if they could much more clearly during a start-up a long time ago. EA didn't handle it as well so they have to deal with the backlash.

Posted by TruthTellah

This sounds... exactly the same.  Sure it's less menacing-sounding, but their infringing powers are still the same.  They're just being more forthcoming about their ability to collect spyware-like data without you having any option to opt-out.  And they still appear to have the right to sell that data to third parties.  This is completely unacceptable.

Posted by cinemandrew

It sounds like their policy hasn't changed, but now they're talking down to us in their EULA. This is absurd.

Posted by Summoboomo
@Claude said:

We still want to fuck you up the ass, but now with more lubrication.

This is really all it takes to make most people happy.
Posted by Brodehouse
@QKT
i still get the feeling they'll watch me watch porn....
This is a misconception.

John Riccitello will watch you watch porn, and Peter Moore will watch him.
Posted by Brodehouse
@Buzzkill

@Elusionar said:

Origin needs to die...Long live Steam.

This, and they can make it sound less sinister, but they can't hide their intent. It's already clearly been proven by this action alone without the need of help from any other bad PR. We got a peek at their cards, and they've asked the dealer to deal a fresh hand. Doesn't change the fact there's still a douchebag holding the cards. (EA)

Their intent is clear? What intent is that? You believe they're looking to secretly collect your credit card and sell it to Lulzsec? Then what? Your language is vaguely prophetic.
Posted by MeatSim

Just give people the opt out option so they don't freak out.

Posted by Brodehouse
@Levio

Good thing we have so many watchdogs to save the internet from the evils of EA.

Too bad they can't be bothered to help with problems that actually matter.

I find it amusing that games writers have a ball laughing when hackers destroy a console's online service, and then excoriate EA for the wording of their EULA. Keep fighting the good fight.
Posted by insanejedi
@WEGGLES said:

Could you PLEASE put a note in the article that Application (with an upper-case A) means origin, not ANY application on your computer? It says that at the beginning of the EULA, but people seem to be ignoring that part.

"This License governs

your use of this application and all related software, documentation, and updates

and upgrades that replace or supplement the application and are not distributed

with a separate license (together, the “Application”)"

Application, with an upper-case A refers to Origin and any games installed with Origin. This is an important detail that is being ignored in favour of hivemind outrage.

Thanks. This needs to be noted.
Posted by CL60
@ribeye said:

@KarateKid said:

Unless they plan on making origin a prereqesit to install their new games, I will never install it on my computer.

And even if they do I might think twice about getting that particular title. I just hope SW: TOR doesn't require it.

SWTOR will definitely use Origin

Wrong. They've already stated that the game doesn't require Origin at all.
Posted by thenexus
@Claude said:

We still want to fuck you up the ass, but now with more lubrication.

That is an awesome line :)
Posted by Shuborno

@WinterSnowblind said:

I had just started to really like EA too, seems they don't want Activision showing them up as the no.1 evil publisher.

Yeah, exactly.

On the plus side, I'll save a bunch of money never buying any PC game from EA, Activision, or Ubisoft ever again.

Posted by akajaybay

I'm not understanding how the information can be anonymous and include your ip address.

Posted by Vexxan

@Elusionar said:

Origin needs to die...Long live Steam.

Yep.

Posted by dagas

So they hired someone to say the same thing as before, but with slightly different words...

but people are overreaction about the porn thing. There is no profit for EA to know about what porn you like since they are not in the busniess of selling such games. They just want to know what games you play and how you play them, which is pretty much what is broadcasted to MS and its partners every time you play a 360 game.

Posted by pekoe212

@WEGGLES said:

Could you PLEASE put a note in the article that Application (with an upper-case A) means origin, not ANY application on your computer? It says that at the beginning of the EULA, but people seem to be ignoring that part.

"This License governs

your use of this application and all related software, documentation, and updates

and upgrades that replace or supplement the application and are not distributed

with a separate license (together, the “Application”)"

Application, with an upper-case A refers to Origin and any games installed with Origin. This is an important detail that is being ignored in favour of hivemind outrage.

Ok, rereading the EULA in that light, it's much less sinister. It's not tracking every application you run, it's tracking how Origin runs. It sounds more like they just want to know how their software is running on your computer, if you're having problems with it. I don't really care if someone knows my computer specs, because they don't know they're MY computer specs. It's like an anonymous survey.

Posted by Firrae

@WEGGLES said:

Could you PLEASE put a note in the article that Application (with an upper-case A) means origin, not ANY application on your computer? It says that at the beginning of the EULA, but people seem to be ignoring that part.

"This License governs

your use of this application and all related software, documentation, and updates

and upgrades that replace or supplement the application and are not distributed

with a separate license (together, the “Application”)"

Application, with an upper-case A refers to Origin and any games installed with Origin. This is an important detail that is being ignored in favour of hivemind outrage.

This is a very good point, I have not seen this used in any of the reports/news stories about Origins. I will end up using Origins in the future anyways for SWTOR, I'm not overly worried.

Posted by Firrae

@CL60 said:

@ribeye said:

@KarateKid said:

Unless they plan on making origin a prereqesit to install their new games, I will never install it on my computer.

And even if they do I might think twice about getting that particular title. I just hope SW: TOR doesn't require it.

SWTOR will definitely use Origin

Wrong. They've already stated that the game doesn't require Origin at all.

Last I heard they said it did...

Posted by CL60
@aliengroups said:

@CL60 said:

@ribeye said:

@KarateKid said:

Unless they plan on making origin a prereqesit to install their new games, I will never install it on my computer.

And even if they do I might think twice about getting that particular title. I just hope SW: TOR doesn't require it.

SWTOR will definitely use Origin

Wrong. They've already stated that the game doesn't require Origin at all.

Last I heard they said it did...

Quote from Stephen Reid 
 
Regardless of what other games may choose to do in their integration with Origin's desktop client, here's what our situation is:

You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for 
Star Wars: The Old Republic.

This applies whether you purchase The Old Republic via Origin.com or from a retailer in boxed form. You will not be forced to install the Origin desktop client.

There are still various consumer benefits to the client itself, but it's not required for The Old Republic.
Posted by crusader8463
@aliengroups said:

@CL60 said:

@ribeye said:

@KarateKid said:

Unless they plan on making origin a prereqesit to install their new games, I will never install it on my computer.

And even if they do I might think twice about getting that particular title. I just hope SW: TOR doesn't require it.

SWTOR will definitely use Origin

Wrong. They've already stated that the game doesn't require Origin at all.

Last I heard they said it did...

You won't have to use Origin to play the game if you buy it boxed, but if you want to buy it digitally the only place you can is on Origin. They also made a middle of the road deluxe edition in between the base game and the $170 uber 1337 collectors that you can only buy on Origin.
Posted by Firrae

@CL60 said:

@aliengroups said:

@CL60 said:

@ribeye said:

@KarateKid said:

Unless they plan on making origin a prereqesit to install their new games, I will never install it on my computer.

And even if they do I might think twice about getting that particular title. I just hope SW: TOR doesn't require it.

SWTOR will definitely use Origin

Wrong. They've already stated that the game doesn't require Origin at all.

Last I heard they said it did...

Quote from Stephen Reid

Regardless of what other games may choose to do in their integration with Origin's desktop client, here's what our situation is:

You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for
Star Wars: The Old Republic.This applies whether you purchase The Old Republic via Origin.com or from a retailer in boxed form. You will not be forced to install the Origin desktop client.There are still various consumer benefits to the client itself, but it's not required for The Old Republic.

AH! Sweet, I didn't know that, I'll prob still get it in case there's a good sale, but this is still good news :)

Posted by dream431ca

LOL at the people saying they won't buy BF3 because of origin. When has a EULA ever stopped you from playing a game before?

Posted by RsistncE

Wtf? They haven't changed anything, they've just basically explained what their EULA says. Fuck this shit, if EA cared they would give us the option to opt-out, but they didn't. Also he never stated anywhere which exact "products and services" they would be using the information for, nor did he say exactly where their collection data in terms of what you're doing on your computer stops (hint: it probably doesn't.)

Posted by KarateKid

@aliengroups said:

@CL60 said:

@aliengroups said:

@CL60 said:

@ribeye said:

@KarateKid said:

Unless they plan on making origin a prereqesit to install their new games, I will never install it on my computer.

And even if they do I might think twice about getting that particular title. I just hope SW: TOR doesn't require it.

SWTOR will definitely use Origin

Wrong. They've already stated that the game doesn't require Origin at all.

Last I heard they said it did...

Quote from Stephen Reid

Regardless of what other games may choose to do in their integration with Origin's desktop client, here's what our situation is:

You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for
Star Wars: The Old Republic.This applies whether you purchase The Old Republic via Origin.com or from a retailer in boxed form. You will not be forced to install the Origin desktop client.There are still various consumer benefits to the client itself, but it's not required for The Old Republic.

AH! Sweet, I didn't know that, I'll prob still get it in case there's a good sale, but this is still good news :)

same, thanks for that piece of info @ribeye =)

Posted by MrKlorox

EA, fire the shit out of your EULA authors and the rest of the autists you employ who can't tell how fucked up your wording is beforehand.

Edited by tourgen
@WEGGLES said:

Could you PLEASE put a note in the article that Application (with an upper-case A) means origin, not ANY application on your computer? It says that at the beginning of the EULA, but people seem to be ignoring that part.

"This License governs

your use of this application and all related software, documentation, and updates

and upgrades that replace or supplement the application and are not distributed

with a separate license (together, the “Application”)"

Application, with an upper-case A refers to Origin and any games installed with Origin. This is an important detail that is being ignored in favour of hivemind outrage.

", as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware."
 
I take "the software", and "software" usage to mean ANY AND ALL software.  They do not specify and they do not use Application in those instances.  If that wasn't the case they would have used "Application" or "The Application" in those places.
 
you are right, they were very careful about the terms they used and how they constructed that sentence.  It just doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
But don't worry.  I will be installing Origin into a VM and I will be capturing packets with Wireshark to determine EXACTLY what it is doing.  Full report coming.
Posted by jdeano

To be honest, with all the shit I've had to sign up to just to play most of EA's games online, I'm surprised they haven't got enough data on me,

Posted by LaserJesus

The two EULAs say the exact same thing except the new one has a bit at the beginning to placate people and the last one was written more like a legal document. Personally, I prefer the old one since it said more about what they gather instead of "technical and related information" and explicitly said that it was their way or the highway for information gathering if you wanted to use Origin. In all-caps even! I prefer my insidious corporations to be up front about their insidiousness, personally.

Posted by BoneChompski

I was done with EA games at large anyway. The NFS series has been a stinker for years, I don't play sports games and have no interest in MMO's anymore. The only game they publish that I want is Alice and that is already on Steam, though it has never gone on sale.

Posted by TheChaos

Still never using Origin unless I'm at gunpoint.

Posted by ribeye

@KarateKid said:

@aliengroups said:

@CL60 said:

@aliengroups said:

@CL60 said:

@ribeye said:

@KarateKid said:

Unless they plan on making origin a prereqesit to install their new games, I will never install it on my computer.

And even if they do I might think twice about getting that particular title. I just hope SW: TOR doesn't require it.

SWTOR will definitely use Origin

Wrong. They've already stated that the game doesn't require Origin at all.

Last I heard they said it did...

Quote from Stephen Reid

Regardless of what other games may choose to do in their integration with Origin's desktop client, here's what our situation is:

You are not required to use the Origin desktop client to download, patch or play the game client for
Star Wars: The Old Republic.This applies whether you purchase The Old Republic via Origin.com or from a retailer in boxed form. You will not be forced to install the Origin desktop client.There are still various consumer benefits to the client itself, but it's not required for The Old Republic.

AH! Sweet, I didn't know that, I'll prob still get it in case there's a good sale, but this is still good news :)

same, thanks for that piece of info @ribeye =)

hey no problem! except i was wrong, @CL60 is the one that got it right =D

Posted by jkuc316

What is it with you and Adult Comedy Cartoons Alex?

Posted by Viking_Funeral

This is definitely the year of gaming companies acting stupid.  Ubisoft with their DRM, Gamestop with their policies, and EA with just about every single thing they do - from banning people from playing games they already purchased to this.  Oh, and Blizzard trying to follow Ubisoft's always-on DRM policy.  
 
Did someone spike their Kool-Aid?   

Posted by Matthew

I don't get it...just because you change the wording on something, does that change the purpose behind it? This is the exact situation of the wolf in sheep's clothing. The only thing they've done is to literally change the wording on it. They're still going to be collecting your data, finding out what programs you have, checking out your IP, hell, even selling your info!

this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services

Wow, how do you think they improve products and services? By better targeting a demographic, lets say. Oh, how do you better target a demographic? Why, sell the information to a third party firm that specializes in that sort of thing!

I was seriously going to buy this for PC. Why wouldn't I? I'm essentially building a new computer for it (more for Diablo 3, but this would be nice also).

At the very best, it's now going to be quite a few months until I get it. Ideally by that time, there will be some kind of workaround...

Posted by Kyodra

My friend pre-ordered Battlefield 3 through Origin, even though he could get it on release day for 10 euros cheaper as a physical copy (which ties with Origin). His reasoning is "I want to be sure I get the game on release date" and "I'm willing to pay extra 10 euros to play it with my mates over the first weekend". He also doesn't care about what EA does with his information.

When gamers are this stupid I guess we deserve services like Origin. At this rate I'm betting Activision will resurrect Sierra next year as their own version of Origin. Gamers rejoice!

Posted by This_Dude

They can change the wording all day,  but the fact still remains that they're gonna take information that you don't want them to, whether you like it or not.   At the end of the day, I'm still not going to touch any product that requires me to install Origin.  EA needs to ditch this garbage now.

Edited by leebmx

I find it amazing that this sort of thing is allowable, or at least there isn't an opt out. Imagine if you went to the book shop to buy a novel and the guy at the counter said,  
  "We'll sell you this book, but you need to give us your address, all your bank details and from now on provide us with a complete list of all the books you read, when you read them, were they hardback or softback, whether you finished them or not and whether you used glasses or contacts to help you read. Oh and you also need to tell us were you where when you read them and how comfy your seat was if you were at home."  
  You would rightly tell them to piss off, so why is this any different? Companies should not have the right to our personal information, no matter how trivial, just because we have purchased a product.

Posted by YukoAsho
@Paul_Is_Drunk said:
This is definitely the year of gaming companies acting stupid.  Ubisoft with their DRM, Gamestop with their policies, and EA with just about every single thing they do - from banning people from playing games they already purchased to this.  Oh, and Blizzard trying to follow Ubisoft's always-on DRM policy.    Did someone spike their Kool-Aid?   
And funny how the only company that isn't doing that, Activision (let's face it, WoW has given Blizzard total autonomy), is the most vilified company in the industry because... Their games are popular.  We as a fandom need to pick our enemies better.
Posted by bio595

Who cares? My details are out there already somewhere.

If they do illegal shit, they're shooting themselves in the foot. Maybe (maybe) they'll use them for something other than advertising and there will be cool shit (haha).

If I need to use Origin to get ME3 or anything else, I'll just add a spam filter if necessary.

Posted by MetalGearSunny
@jkuc316 said:
What is it with you and Adult Comedy Cartoons Alex?
yeah the simpsons is totally an adult cartoon.
Posted by jmrwacko
@dream431ca said:

LOL at the people saying they won't buy BF3 because of origin. When has a EULA ever stopped you from playing a game before?

Didn't MW2 have that clause about Infinity Ward owning the rights to my soul or something?
Posted by Boiglenoight

I really want BF 3, but I'm scared of installing Origin. In fact, I uninstalled it the day the original story broke and no longer play Bad Company 2. I built the computer I have now for BF 3, but I'm going to hold off purchasing a copy in part out of mistrust and also as a form of silent protest. I don't want to reward companies who seek to gather information about me for any reason, to better their products or for selling marketing data to 3rd parties. I just want to buy my most currently anticipated game made by one of my favorite developers, DICE. It's really aggravating to see EA put their interests above what's best for their developers.

Posted by css_switchfoot
@leebmx
I find it amazing that this sort of thing is allowable, or at least there isn't an opt out. Imagine if you went to the book shop to buy a novel and the guy at the counter said,  
  "We'll sell you this book, but you need to give us your address, all your bank details and from now on provide us with a complete list of all the books you read, when you read them, were they hardback or softback, whether you finished them or not and whether you used glasses or contacts to help you read. Oh and you also need to tell us were you where when you read them and how comfy your seat was if you were at home."  
  You would rightly tell them to piss off, so why is this any different? Companies should not have the right to our personal information, no matter how trivial, just because we have purchased a product.
I agree completely. I don't want any company having some rootkit on my computer tracking how many times I use CCleaner to ditch porn-cookies or how long I have uTorrent running. Even windows has opt-out features I don't see why EA thinks they are so special. I will definitely boycott paying for any game requiring Origin simply because I value my privacy, even if its trivial stuff.
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