Thank you for getting right to the point. The game sold two million copies, but he's ignoring that and focusing on this hypothetical one million copies. They're going to shoot themselves in the foot if they keep getting their priorities reversed like that.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>originalgamer<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>64<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 1<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By originalgamer<\/a><\/div><\/div>I believe his name is too long, and too hard to pronounce.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>TheMasterDS<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>3018<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>7716<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 1<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 31<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By TheMasterDS<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@patronics<\/strong>: The thing is a used couch is used and often in poor condition. There's no wear and tear that makes a used copy inferior to a new copy outside of stuff like Project 10 Dollar, which I consider to be the way to approach it. Hell, I think they should throw whole single player campaigns behind a project 10 dollar wall if you buy used. That'll show people thinking they can buy used without paying a cent to you.<\/p>Or everything should just be downloaded. Either or.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Arc209<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>120<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 5<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 5<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Arc209<\/a><\/div><\/div>Amazing, this whole article<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>onan<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>1356<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>8845<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 2<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 10<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By onan<\/a><\/div><\/div>Has he played his own game? He should be happy they tricked 66% of purchasers into paying full price for it. And THREE MILLION players? History has shown this rarely ever is the case for a game like this. He should thank whatever deity he prays to every night for that windfall.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>zels<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>213<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By zels<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@TheMasterDS<\/strong>: Yeah, except for scratches, damaged boxes, missing manuals and so on. Complaining about used games' sales in such a way in SP only games is just stupid because there's no guarantee that a person who bought a used game would've spent the additional money to get that same game new (blahblahblah we would've gotten $x more cash).\u00a0\u00a0Also, if you want to start solving the problem of used games market, force m$ and sony to finally catch up to the PC market and offer proper digital distribution with lower prices and special sales on older titles. I can't recall how many times I had to buy an older game used just because a new copy was nowhere to be found.\n <\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>gorehorn<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>99<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>45<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 1<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By gorehorn<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@patronics<\/strong> said:<\/p>Tough shit. I don't know why game developers feel like they should be immune to people exercising their right of first sale. Does every furniture maker wring their hands about people buying second hand couches at a thrift store?<\/p><\/blockquote>That's all fine and well, but you have to consider that video games are somewhat unique in not suffering wear and tear. Before the advent of Online Passes used games were indistinguishable from new products. 'Real-life' used products diminish in value cause they're more likely to break, but games like Heavy Rain will offer the same experience regardless of when you put them in your PS 3.<\/p>That said I don't agree with de Fondaumiere's math, it's as flawed as the calculations publishers present on piracy. Sure, he might be correct IF every one of those 1 million players had bought the game new but I can speak for myself and say I rented Heavy Rain and never would have considered even buying a used copy cause it didn't seem worth it.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SonicBoyster<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>
I believe his name is too long, and too hard to pronounce.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>TheMasterDS<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>3018<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>7716<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 1<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 31<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By TheMasterDS<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@patronics<\/strong>: The thing is a used couch is used and often in poor condition. There's no wear and tear that makes a used copy inferior to a new copy outside of stuff like Project 10 Dollar, which I consider to be the way to approach it. Hell, I think they should throw whole single player campaigns behind a project 10 dollar wall if you buy used. That'll show people thinking they can buy used without paying a cent to you.<\/p>Or everything should just be downloaded. Either or.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Arc209<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>120<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 5<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 5<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Arc209<\/a><\/div><\/div>Amazing, this whole article<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>onan<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>1356<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>8845<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 2<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 10<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By onan<\/a><\/div><\/div>Has he played his own game? He should be happy they tricked 66% of purchasers into paying full price for it. And THREE MILLION players? History has shown this rarely ever is the case for a game like this. He should thank whatever deity he prays to every night for that windfall.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>zels<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>213<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By zels<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@TheMasterDS<\/strong>: Yeah, except for scratches, damaged boxes, missing manuals and so on. Complaining about used games' sales in such a way in SP only games is just stupid because there's no guarantee that a person who bought a used game would've spent the additional money to get that same game new (blahblahblah we would've gotten $x more cash).\u00a0\u00a0Also, if you want to start solving the problem of used games market, force m$ and sony to finally catch up to the PC market and offer proper digital distribution with lower prices and special sales on older titles. I can't recall how many times I had to buy an older game used just because a new copy was nowhere to be found.\n <\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>gorehorn<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>99<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>45<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 1<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By gorehorn<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@patronics<\/strong> said:<\/p>Tough shit. I don't know why game developers feel like they should be immune to people exercising their right of first sale. Does every furniture maker wring their hands about people buying second hand couches at a thrift store?<\/p><\/blockquote>That's all fine and well, but you have to consider that video games are somewhat unique in not suffering wear and tear. Before the advent of Online Passes used games were indistinguishable from new products. 'Real-life' used products diminish in value cause they're more likely to break, but games like Heavy Rain will offer the same experience regardless of when you put them in your PS 3.<\/p>That said I don't agree with de Fondaumiere's math, it's as flawed as the calculations publishers present on piracy. Sure, he might be correct IF every one of those 1 million players had bought the game new but I can speak for myself and say I rented Heavy Rain and never would have considered even buying a used copy cause it didn't seem worth it.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SonicBoyster<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>
<\/span>@patronics<\/strong>: The thing is a used couch is used and often in poor condition. There's no wear and tear that makes a used copy inferior to a new copy outside of stuff like Project 10 Dollar, which I consider to be the way to approach it. Hell, I think they should throw whole single player campaigns behind a project 10 dollar wall if you buy used. That'll show people thinking they can buy used without paying a cent to you.<\/p>Or everything should just be downloaded. Either or.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Arc209<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>120<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 5<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 5<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Arc209<\/a><\/div><\/div>Amazing, this whole article<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>onan<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>1356<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>8845<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 2<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 10<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By onan<\/a><\/div><\/div>Has he played his own game? He should be happy they tricked 66% of purchasers into paying full price for it. And THREE MILLION players? History has shown this rarely ever is the case for a game like this. He should thank whatever deity he prays to every night for that windfall.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>zels<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>213<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By zels<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@TheMasterDS<\/strong>: Yeah, except for scratches, damaged boxes, missing manuals and so on. Complaining about used games' sales in such a way in SP only games is just stupid because there's no guarantee that a person who bought a used game would've spent the additional money to get that same game new (blahblahblah we would've gotten $x more cash).\u00a0\u00a0Also, if you want to start solving the problem of used games market, force m$ and sony to finally catch up to the PC market and offer proper digital distribution with lower prices and special sales on older titles. I can't recall how many times I had to buy an older game used just because a new copy was nowhere to be found.\n <\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>gorehorn<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>99<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>45<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 1<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By gorehorn<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@patronics<\/strong> said:<\/p>Tough shit. I don't know why game developers feel like they should be immune to people exercising their right of first sale. Does every furniture maker wring their hands about people buying second hand couches at a thrift store?<\/p><\/blockquote>That's all fine and well, but you have to consider that video games are somewhat unique in not suffering wear and tear. Before the advent of Online Passes used games were indistinguishable from new products. 'Real-life' used products diminish in value cause they're more likely to break, but games like Heavy Rain will offer the same experience regardless of when you put them in your PS 3.<\/p>That said I don't agree with de Fondaumiere's math, it's as flawed as the calculations publishers present on piracy. Sure, he might be correct IF every one of those 1 million players had bought the game new but I can speak for myself and say I rented Heavy Rain and never would have considered even buying a used copy cause it didn't seem worth it.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SonicBoyster<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>
Amazing, this whole article<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>onan<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>1356<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>8845<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 2<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 10<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By onan<\/a><\/div><\/div>Has he played his own game? He should be happy they tricked 66% of purchasers into paying full price for it. And THREE MILLION players? History has shown this rarely ever is the case for a game like this. He should thank whatever deity he prays to every night for that windfall.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>zels<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>213<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By zels<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@TheMasterDS<\/strong>: Yeah, except for scratches, damaged boxes, missing manuals and so on. Complaining about used games' sales in such a way in SP only games is just stupid because there's no guarantee that a person who bought a used game would've spent the additional money to get that same game new (blahblahblah we would've gotten $x more cash).\u00a0\u00a0Also, if you want to start solving the problem of used games market, force m$ and sony to finally catch up to the PC market and offer proper digital distribution with lower prices and special sales on older titles. I can't recall how many times I had to buy an older game used just because a new copy was nowhere to be found.\n <\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>gorehorn<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>99<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>45<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 1<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By gorehorn<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@patronics<\/strong> said:<\/p>Tough shit. I don't know why game developers feel like they should be immune to people exercising their right of first sale. Does every furniture maker wring their hands about people buying second hand couches at a thrift store?<\/p><\/blockquote>That's all fine and well, but you have to consider that video games are somewhat unique in not suffering wear and tear. Before the advent of Online Passes used games were indistinguishable from new products. 'Real-life' used products diminish in value cause they're more likely to break, but games like Heavy Rain will offer the same experience regardless of when you put them in your PS 3.<\/p>That said I don't agree with de Fondaumiere's math, it's as flawed as the calculations publishers present on piracy. Sure, he might be correct IF every one of those 1 million players had bought the game new but I can speak for myself and say I rented Heavy Rain and never would have considered even buying a used copy cause it didn't seem worth it.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SonicBoyster<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>
Has he played his own game? He should be happy they tricked 66% of purchasers into paying full price for it. And THREE MILLION players? History has shown this rarely ever is the case for a game like this. He should thank whatever deity he prays to every night for that windfall.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>zels<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>213<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By zels<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@TheMasterDS<\/strong>: Yeah, except for scratches, damaged boxes, missing manuals and so on. Complaining about used games' sales in such a way in SP only games is just stupid because there's no guarantee that a person who bought a used game would've spent the additional money to get that same game new (blahblahblah we would've gotten $x more cash).\u00a0\u00a0Also, if you want to start solving the problem of used games market, force m$ and sony to finally catch up to the PC market and offer proper digital distribution with lower prices and special sales on older titles. I can't recall how many times I had to buy an older game used just because a new copy was nowhere to be found.\n <\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>gorehorn<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>99<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>45<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 1<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By gorehorn<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@patronics<\/strong> said:<\/p>Tough shit. I don't know why game developers feel like they should be immune to people exercising their right of first sale. Does every furniture maker wring their hands about people buying second hand couches at a thrift store?<\/p><\/blockquote>That's all fine and well, but you have to consider that video games are somewhat unique in not suffering wear and tear. Before the advent of Online Passes used games were indistinguishable from new products. 'Real-life' used products diminish in value cause they're more likely to break, but games like Heavy Rain will offer the same experience regardless of when you put them in your PS 3.<\/p>That said I don't agree with de Fondaumiere's math, it's as flawed as the calculations publishers present on piracy. Sure, he might be correct IF every one of those 1 million players had bought the game new but I can speak for myself and say I rented Heavy Rain and never would have considered even buying a used copy cause it didn't seem worth it.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SonicBoyster<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>
<\/span>@TheMasterDS<\/strong>: Yeah, except for scratches, damaged boxes, missing manuals and so on. Complaining about used games' sales in such a way in SP only games is just stupid because there's no guarantee that a person who bought a used game would've spent the additional money to get that same game new (blahblahblah we would've gotten $x more cash).\u00a0\u00a0Also, if you want to start solving the problem of used games market, force m$ and sony to finally catch up to the PC market and offer proper digital distribution with lower prices and special sales on older titles. I can't recall how many times I had to buy an older game used just because a new copy was nowhere to be found.\n <\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>gorehorn<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>99<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>45<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 1<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By gorehorn<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@patronics<\/strong> said:<\/p>Tough shit. I don't know why game developers feel like they should be immune to people exercising their right of first sale. Does every furniture maker wring their hands about people buying second hand couches at a thrift store?<\/p><\/blockquote>That's all fine and well, but you have to consider that video games are somewhat unique in not suffering wear and tear. Before the advent of Online Passes used games were indistinguishable from new products. 'Real-life' used products diminish in value cause they're more likely to break, but games like Heavy Rain will offer the same experience regardless of when you put them in your PS 3.<\/p>That said I don't agree with de Fondaumiere's math, it's as flawed as the calculations publishers present on piracy. Sure, he might be correct IF every one of those 1 million players had bought the game new but I can speak for myself and say I rented Heavy Rain and never would have considered even buying a used copy cause it didn't seem worth it.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SonicBoyster<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>
<\/span>@patronics<\/strong> said:<\/p>Tough shit. I don't know why game developers feel like they should be immune to people exercising their right of first sale. Does every furniture maker wring their hands about people buying second hand couches at a thrift store?<\/p><\/blockquote>That's all fine and well, but you have to consider that video games are somewhat unique in not suffering wear and tear. Before the advent of Online Passes used games were indistinguishable from new products. 'Real-life' used products diminish in value cause they're more likely to break, but games like Heavy Rain will offer the same experience regardless of when you put them in your PS 3.<\/p>That said I don't agree with de Fondaumiere's math, it's as flawed as the calculations publishers present on piracy. Sure, he might be correct IF every one of those 1 million players had bought the game new but I can speak for myself and say I rented Heavy Rain and never would have considered even buying a used copy cause it didn't seem worth it.<\/p><\/article>12 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SonicBoyster<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>
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