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Posted by RagingDaemon

@Milkman said:

@RagingDaemon said:

@Milkman: Was that an attempt to shame me? No tide of first year gender studies white knights or otherwise weak thinking people are going to get anywhere with just insults. Are you sure this isn't the comment section of Jezebel or Feministing?

It was more of an attempt to say you look like a meat head inbred fuck. If wanting to make sure that women can freely participate in e-sports without being shamed by rape threats makes this "Feministing", then sure, welcome to Feministing. I guess you're on the wrong site.

I’m able to post again. Let me deconstruct you and your archetype.

Your attempts to insult me are very poor because they are extremely inaccurate. Nowhere in my writing have I come off as less than articulate, and I share not the slightest physical resemblance to the inbred/hick/redneck/etc stereotype that you are gleefully trotting out. Are you intimidated by the fact that I’m visibly very strong? Does your view of the world only encompass an either/or scenario of weak intelligentsia or muscle-bound oafs?

Like most of your ilk, you’re ultimately an extreme hypocrite, and clearly enjoy trying to hate and bash someone that has opposing views, in a manner worse than the people that you condemn. In their case, it was insensitive language meant in jest/competition, from you, it’s dead serious and there is no doubt about the intent. If you deem it a vile “ism” of some sort, without contextual (or any, really) analysis, then the said person in your eyes becomes an object of abject hatred. You feel self-righteously justified in being and acting even worse that the people you so despise.

Furthermore, when you’re not spewing crappy insults you’re vomiting back rhetoric I doubt you closely examined. Your arguments rely on exaggerations, slippery slopes, and attempts at manipulation via guilt tripping by attempting to take some moral high ground of your own creation. If you sincerely believe that the fighting game community, or Aris, had the intent of intimidating women away from their community via rape threats, or threats of physical violence, then you are undoubtedly willing to ignore context to propagate your own agenda via lies, or are genuinely delusional.

Although I know despite operating under the premise that you have “an open mind”, and are “tolerant”, your rigid thinking and already set opinions are not going to let you absorb any of the above. I highly doubt you will be able to self reflect and take away anything meaningful from this. You will continue to be a hypocrite and attack targets of opportunity that deviate from what you want like a rabid dog.

You’re welcome.

Posted by ZenTzen

@Hailinel: This is what he said:

""I unfortunately used extreme examples in the heat of the moment and feel that my statements don’t actually communicate how I feel.""

This right here tells us that what he wanted to say was poorly phrased and made him look like a douche.

""My statements do not reflect those of Capcom or myself. The last thing I want to do is get them in trouble for giving me and the fighting game community the opportunity to have an amazing show like this.""

You are taking this statement here as some kind of false apology, when in reality its just him trying to separate what he said from capcom about his statements and that they have nothing to do on how capcom feels, he also tries to explain himself that the comments that are in the article isnt what he trully tried to express when he said it.

Then finally,

""Again, I am deeply sorry for offending anyone. This was a combination of the people taking things out of context and my own inability in the heat of the moment to defend myself and the community I have loved for over 15 years.""

His words, saying hes deeply regretful on what he said, he was in a stressfull situation where during the conversation he tried to explain his stance on a topic he feels very deeply about but the way he said it came out not has he intended.

Posted by Hailinel
@ZenTzen

@Hailinel: It does excuse him people say stuff or phrase things in ways that may make people seem like something they are not, are you so morally superior and can you honestly say you never said stupid things that you regret saying, he did come out and apologized about what he said and the way he said it especially when what he said during the show was taken as something completely different to what he really meant. Should he now be made be some kind of villain even after he showed remorse on what he said?

Theres also a lot of things that happened during the show and a lot of the blame and things that happened cant be put on solelly on Aris.

Was Aris and idiot for what he said, how he said it and when he said it? Sure.

Did he recognize what he said and apologized for it? Yes he did.

He didn't really apologize for anything. He specifically stated that his own comments shouldn't reflect on him. He's not accepting full responsibility.
Posted by ZenTzen

@Hailinel: It does excuse him people say stuff or phrase things in ways that may make people seem like something they are not, are you so morally superior and can you honestly say you never said stupid things that you regret saying, he did come out and apologized about what he said and the way he said it especially when what he said during the show was taken as something completely different to what he really meant. Should he now be made be some kind of villain even after he showed remorse on what he said?

Theres also a lot of things that happened during the show and a lot of the blame and things that happened cant be put on solelly on Aris.

Was Aris and idiot for what he said, how he said it and when he said it? Sure.

Did he recognize what he said and apologized for it? Yes he did.

Posted by CookieMonster

He looks like a krogan.

Edited by Rexicon

@Nefarious_Al said:

Nice to see people still shitting on the entire FGC over Aris being an ass.

Nobody in the FGC actually wants sexual harassment of it's female participants. Other than Aris apparently. They do however want to keep the raw and underground vibe that makes the scene what it is. Shit talking and disdain for your opponent is what makes the FGC the FGC. How hard is that to understand? Sometimes fights break out, but it is not the norm and it is not okay with the FGC when it happens people get banned from where they fought for months at a time.

As I said in an earlier post I abhor the use of racial, homophobic or female degrading speech that gets used by the gaming community at large not just in the FGC. However I don't mind letting a guy I just beat know I think he is shit and not on my level. It goes both ways I've been on the end of a pop off or two as I tasted the not so sweet taste of defeat at the hands of an opponent at the arcade. That just fueled me to get better and get my revenge. Also just to be clear I don't tell everyone I play they are fucking trash after I beat them. The shit talking builds over a long set of going back and forth or after someone talks shit to me. That happens when you get people competing and trying their hardest to best an opponent.

Play me on XBL and you are likely to get a GG most of the time out of me after a good set.

Miranda and everyone on Cross Assault shouldn't have had to put up with Aris for sure. That said Miranda quitting as she did was insanely bad form. That is my only gripe with how she handled the situation. I do feel bad she folded under the pressure of the situation and Aris being a dick to her and everyone else on the show. She plays at Keystone though she isn't new to some colorful language.

Aris fucked up and I don't condone his actions or words. He was no doubt fucking around though and it no doubt made Miranda uncomfortable. A bad day for the FGC for sure. I hope Miranda bounces back and doesn't leave the FGC. She quit on herself and that might take some time get over.

As for Aris he is part of the FGC. He isn't going anywhere. His brand of humor is definitely not for everyone and most people might not find him funny at all. I usually find him amusing although not so much in this case. An awful lot of comedians say some pretty fucked up shit and yet we somehow move on as a society. This will blow over despite all these articles painting the FGC as a bunch of misogynist pigs.

Also since I'm writing a book here the FGC doesn't need million dollar pots we play for the love of the game and the competition that breeds. Videogames are not sports and it's players are not athletes. Top players may display a high degree of skill and mental acuity that doesn't make them sports stars. The competition is as real as anything on earth though.

Now to listen to the bombcast and hear the guys shit on the FGC. Should be fun.

This entire post is a bunch of childish bullshit. Your maudlin defense about how "you just don't get it, man we HAVE to talk trash. It's the spirit of the SCENE" is just ridiculous. It's entirely possible to have a competitive, interesting game without a bunch of immature lunatics fucking it up. If you actually believe that the shit-talking part of gaming and the racist/homophobic/misogynist part aren't intrinsically bound then you need to re-evaluate your understanding of the terms. I fully support Miranda or whomever else leaves this program in whatever fashion because it's an appropriate statement on how abhorrent these people are. The people who stay and condone this person (who lest we forget, was chosen by Capcom to represent the best the scene has to offer) aren't in the wrong, but those who left should be applauded for their ability to stand up to the worst part of gaming.

e: Heads up to whoever thinks this: it doesn't matter that "Rape that bitch" was said in the heat of a moment, its a fucked up thing to say and there is no defense for saying it in any venue.

Posted by zacharai

Good on you for calling this out, Patrick.

Posted by Elazul

Can someone please explain to me exactly how playing Street Fighter and being a vile, odious sex-offender are even remotely the same thing?

Posted by raidingkvatch

This has just made me really sad and disappointed. Can't believe Capcom wouldn't do more to stop this kind of shit.

Edited by IkariNoTekken

Read this yesterday but didn't have time to watch the video, watching that just now, it was disgusting.

If you saw him when he was standing close next to her, you couldn't just stand there and listen to him go on, you'd just ram him into the wall wouldn't you? A nice solid Hammerfist would break that fat stubby nose of his as well.

Ugh.

Edited by mnzy
@beritbunny said:

Well, it's pretty much official that Capcom is only in it for the money. After all this heat, they're still moving on with Cross Assault.

Does the fighting game community, let alone the gaming community as a whole, really want to be represented by the people on this show? I sure as hell don't.

It's one guy...the show is actually surprisingly entertaining.
Posted by Hailinel

@ZenTzen said:

Before anyone says anymore stuff heres Aris personal response about the issue:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/g65iqn

That's a case of too little, too late, I think. He should have known ahead of time that the comments he made would lead to trouble. That it was the heat of the moment doesn't excuse his choice of words.

Posted by Nitefyre410

Its called home training and its clear that not everyone has it..

Man, I'm grown and I know if my mama heard me talking like that she would smack the pure, holy shit out of me...

Posted by dudeglove

@jkuc316 said:

@dudeglove: LOL they're just salty, Ignore them

Oh I find them goddamn hilarious. The foul-mouthed slang of the commentators during Evo's salty suite live streams is priceless.

@Village_Guy said:

Damn you Patrick for writing that headline, every time I see it I get confused because I think it says something about Lens Flare...

It sounds more like a line by Soul Calibur's narrator, I feel - except replace "lines" with "swords". Or every word with "sword". Or something.

Posted by Dredlockz

@Excast said:

@Dredlockz said:

what is this? reddit?

who gives a shit about e-sports drama?

Apparently you did enough to post on it. And E-sports is definitely a growing phenomenon in the gaming community. If this sort of behavior is as prevalent as it might seem to be I think it is a perfectly reasonable topic for an article.

Dude, I watch e-sports every single day, they are awesome and super important in the gaming community, but I don't think anyone should care this much about players being bad-mannered.

You can't make people not be assholes, racist, bigots, or whatever. Even if you could, there's still gonna be people whining, like "Starcraft has nukes! and that is offensive to my japanese heritage!", and then Blizzard would have to apologize publicly for adding those there? There's no end to the drama, and it's ridiculous and not news-worthy.

Everyone needs to chill, why make a post about some shitty kid talking crap on some show? who caaaaaares, this shouldn't be a giantbomb news update.

Also, that kid clearly has never seen Destiny's stream:

Posted by SteveFarrant
Posted by N7
@Village_Guy said:

Damn you Patrick for writing that headline, every time I see it I get confused because I think it says something about Lens Flare...

This is actually a secret marketing campaign for Star Trek 2. J.J Abrams is a genius.
Posted by dael

@North6: Sometimes mocking a manbaby won't remove the baby from the man. Just like the xbox live community, FGC have a lot of immature grown men that don't know how to behave normal, but we have plenty of people that know how to behave and act professional. The bottom line is that FGC is a good scene and just like any other community it is plague by undesirables. My main point was that it would had been nice to have more of a deep report than just no comment or this person didn't get back to me. There were interviews or conversations that same night like the one from L.I. Joe with Ari and other good sources that Patrick didn't mention. I am glad Patrick is doing a follow up. Everyone else here is making the same hate arguments about the FGC but like always they don't know anything about FGC. We are more than a sexist loud mouth that doesn't know how to act professional. I recommend everyone to read articles like this article before commenting on how bad the community is.

Posted by Village_Guy

Damn you Patrick for writing that headline, every time I see it I get confused because I think it says something about Lens Flare...

Posted by beritbunny

Well, it's pretty much official that Capcom is only in it for the money. After all this heat, they're still moving on with Cross Assault.

Does the fighting game community, let alone the gaming community as a whole, really want to be represented by the people on this show? I sure as hell don't.

Posted by Jnorman

You gotta love how people say, "well he's a dick to everyone" and that is supposed to be a supporting argument for him also being sexist or racist and it being acceptable.

Posted by Excast
@Dredlockz said:

what is this? reddit?

who gives a shit about e-sports drama?

Apparently you did enough to post on it.  And E-sports is definitely a growing phenomenon in the gaming community.  If this sort of behavior is as prevalent as it might seem to be I think it is a perfectly reasonable topic for an article.
Posted by Dredlockz

what is this? reddit?

who gives a shit about e-sports drama?

Posted by jelazee

Great article, important subject. Thank you.

Posted by kashif1

@Jethuty said:

@Gruff182 said:

Oh, so the fighting game community is pathetic? Good to know.

@optimusprime223 said:

apart from lack of skill, this makes me NOT want to play fighting games and be part of that community...

This is what im talking about. One douchebag doesnt represent the community, however the article is written in such a way that people believe he is a spokesperson for the communitty, doing harm to it.

Exactly what i was fearing. Aris is the asshole, not the community

The fighting game community has to be atleast as bad as the fps community, both of them need work.

Edited by ZenTzen

@CrimsonMoonMist: One persons words doesnt mean he talks for everyone and besides what he said was taken out of context, heres what he has to say on the whole situation:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/g65iqn

"What I was trying to communicate is that mild hostility has always been a defining characteristic of the fighting game scene. Back when arcades were more prevalent, people didn’t like newcomers, and players needed to fight and pay their dues to get respect. The debate I was in was with a person who supported professional leagues, who have intent to censor the community to make it more accessible. I think the sink or swim mentality is something that defined our culture, and if that succeeds it removes something which has been important to help create some of the best fighting game players of our time. I was unfortunately unable to make this point clearly. Again, I am deeply sorry for offending anyone. This was a combination of the people taking things out of context and my own inability in the heat of the moment to defend myself and the community I have loved for over 15 years. "

Edited by MachoFantastico

That was... rather disgusting. Not shocked though as most of them are total douches, try speaking to some of them.

I'm amazed that girl had the control to not beat the living crap out of him.

Posted by GunslingerPanda

So basically, sexual harassment and teenage jokes are "a part" of the competitive fighting games scene?

Right. Glad I'm a StarCraft man.

Posted by BuddyRevell1

ever wonder why most sexist guys look like a woman wouldn't go near them with a ten foot pole (unless she had a golem fetish) mother fucker is UGLY!!

Posted by optimusprime223

@Jethuty Your right he is, but he is also saying that his comments are deeply engrained into the fighting game scene, which is hard enough to break into without being alienated by that level assholery. IF the community does consider those types of comments and behaviour acceptable, it is not a community I want to be apart of. To be fair, I never will be as I simply do not have the time or reactions to make it to that level of fighting game play, and I am not labelling the entire community as sexist, racist assholes since I know a lot of them will be great people who talk a bit of smack. This guy isnt doing that and is bringing the entire community down and alienating people from joining when, especially as a spokesperson for the genre, he should be showing what a great community it is, even if it does get a little heated.

Posted by Kyodra

I think they should simply state in the rules of these tournaments that that saying that kind of crap in the tournament area gets you thrown out, whether you're a player or just in the audience. That would immediately help these people mature up a bit. This Bakhtanians seems to think freedom of speech exists to allow them to be a dick, what a complete idiot. Actions of people like him stop other people enjoying the same thing they do, thereby harming the whole community, and popularity of fighting games. If they want to act like immature idiots they can do it on the internet or in their parents' basements, in my opinion.

Good and informative article, I didn't realize this kind of culture was associated with fighting games.

Edited by CrimsonMoonMist

No Aris, it's a shortcoming of the community that needs to be weeded out.

How the hell would being more genderly open break a community?

There's a difference between freedom of speech and just being a fucking ass,

and it should be punished.

Posted by jkuc316

@dudeglove: LOL they're just salty, Ignore them

Posted by jkuc316

@Seroth said:

Would Aris forcing Kayo to marry him be considered harassment, too?

When it's a Tranny, it's totally ok! Just like how Mike Haggar can punch Poison because "she" isn't really a Woman!

Posted by MideonNViscera

This sure got a lot of replies. Anyway, the fighting game community really sucks ass. Not because they're sexist, because honestly who cares, but because of the way they talk and act in general. Just a really annoying, mostly pathetic, group of people. Childish in so many ways. Just go to shoryuken.com and see for yourself haha

Posted by Bourbon_Warrior

This Threads Themesong

Posted by Orbitz89

Women.. you can't live with them and you can't have heterosexual sex without them.

Oh i'm sorry was that sexist?

Edited by ZenTzen
Posted by Taefarinas

@unreal999: I didn't take this article to be about the fighting community as a whole at all. I saw it as a reflection on gaming as a whole still being a club that sometimes says really awful, offensive things. It is completely appropriate to draw attention to the way people are treated and it would be great if conversations like these eventually change what is appropriate to say to other gamers.

I know I'm oversensitive, but I still love to play games. It really detracts from my fun though when someone says they want to "rape" another player. I by no means am delusional and think that's actually what they want to do, but I still see one of my many friends that were raped and the pain they still have. It goes beyond name calling and into actual offense.

Posted by hunttis

@Pinworm45: Is it completely unfathomable to you that some people actually enjoy being offensive?

Dude, stop digging. Your hole is already deep enough. I'm SURE that assholes love being assholes.

Posted by TobbRobb

Jesus, what a fuckwad. Is he really gonna say sexual harassment is part of what makes fighting games unique? IS HE FUCKING RETARDED?

Posted by Swoxx

@AnEternalEnigma said:

This Aris guy sounds like a gigantic idiot that needs to be slapped in the face repeatedly.

I may not like Jared's hair, but good for him for calling out this douche. Comparing misogyny to sports is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

This

Posted by Bourbon_Warrior

Nice work Patrick havent seen this many hits on a article since the PSN meltdown.

Posted by TheDudeOfGaming

@Mechabolic: I may or may not agree with you, but props for speaking your mind.

Anyway, when someone comes along and starts talking about sexism in video games, then he's a white knight defending chicks on the internet. Shit like this happens, and the guy is a retarded, inbred moron. But really, i don't care either way, the comments from youtube and posts on this thread are entertainment enough.

Posted by Christoffer

An interesting, sad, and yet hopeful, article. At least there's some people who want a change. Hopefully it's just a case of a "loud minority" wich will be fixed once everyone realizes this.

Aris use of metaphors is pure rhetorical comedy. If I don't like harrassments I should watch Starcraft instead of Street Fighter and the difference between these would be like a sandwich with or without onions? More like a sandwich and Kung Pao Chicken.

Posted by Xpgamer7

Alright this is pretty similar to the internet, and though it's more of a strong image because it's in person and not a random user, you can see the parallels. They have crass humour and you have to accept it. I don't think it's the community in itself, but a large amount of users in the community.

I find you get almost desensitized. You start to tell the difference between humour and serious comments. It's still crass and rude, and not everyone can handle that. But you have to take one side or the other. Either allow people to make rude jokes, or stop them so that people like Jared can feel comfortable. It's a choice of freedom in the group vs. comfort levels. I remember a quote by Alex being about hanging a gutted body or something on an article. It was a joke referencing that something was trying to be violent but we've become so used to violence we expect something worse. But deeper than that the fact we all took this comment that viewed from one perspective is disturbing as a funny joke shows our nature as a community.

In this Jared made a reference to Phoenix being beaten in a game and someone yelling Rape that bitch! As it was a game, without actual intended harm, and the person's comment was intended as a joke not sexual harassment. We have to look at the desires of the people, not the actual meaning of the words. Otherwise a lot of what we hear online or on games would be horrible.

I don't subscribe to these actions myself but I see it in context. I'd rather things not be taken as seriously, because of our culture in general. I don't like hearing people make racist names on Mass effect or continuously swearing over Call of Duty. But I understand the point. I understand it's to take life lightly. We make the decision to join these competitions with that in mind. It brings it out in people.

I don't think either one is wrong per say, but more that both are opposite sides and you have to pick one. Thank you Patrick for showing us just the facts in the article and not a biased or opinionated view on it.

Posted by Jethuty

@Gruff182 said:

Oh, so the fighting game community is pathetic? Good to know.

@optimusprime223 said:

apart from lack of skill, this makes me NOT want to play fighting games and be part of that community...

This is what im talking about. One douchebag doesnt represent the community, however the article is written in such a way that people believe he is a spokesperson for the communitty, doing harm to it.

Exactly what i was fearing. Aris is the asshole, not the community

Posted by winstano

Whenever someone says "Whatever, this is America" to back up them being a dick, I just think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCKtfdVqK7c

Being an asshole =/= a prerequisite for being part of a gaming community.

Posted by Homeslice

Klepek -- shinin'!
 
Navarro's review and this piece are written so, so well. Love it. A little long-form textual business...goes down smooth with a video chaser.
 
Okay, it's late.

Posted by 4outof5