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Posted by Crysack

This is new and exciting.

No really, Aris is actually right to a certain extent, not only has he been doing exactly the same thing for years now (just take a look at his recent SC5 streams for reference) but so have a large portion of the SF/SC/Tekken/whatever else commentators. I find it odd that people are only starting to complain now.

Posted by InsidiousTuna

It's way too late for me to bother throwing in my two cents, but I'm glad that this story's blown up over the past couple of days. People shouldn't be dicks. Quit being dicks, people!

Edited by benson

@Robo said:

@benson: Right. Because he didn't write a whole book about how he was born a man and chose to be a woman. Seriously, fuck off.

So you finally admit that she IS a woman! You're making progress!

edit to respond to your edit: I did read it, it shows clearly that gender isn't a binary thing and is determined by a multiplicity of factors wich can be affected by a number of pathologies.

Posted by Zokari

@RagingDaemon: Hahaha, oh my God. "I stand with the misogynists." How courageous of you. You're sort of like Gandhi, or maybe Nelson Mandela.

Posted by Napalm

This is what the FGC is about. Fuck the fringe players. They can have their awful sexist rape jokes and awkward advances. Nobody gives a shit about them anymore.

Posted by RagingDaemon

@mrfluke: Like I said to the other guy, despite the Ryu a/v, I'm not a part of the fighting game community. My stance on that issue is that if their community wants to change, it should be their culture changing from within, not having to bow under populist pressure from all these people dying to protect an innocent little girl from the mean misogynists. I'll always give props to the elitists who kept the culture alive when no one cared about them. They were fine before the casual revival, if it fades out as a fad, they'll be fine after.

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Posted by Sword5

@GreggD: There is a reason I didn't list SRK. They have some good people and do work with Level Up, but their forums are huge risk for beginners to wander into. They also have links to the old guard of SF players that spawned Aris.

Fans of MK should check out TestYourMight and follow 16bit on twitter. His podcast is okay.

There are a lot of great things coming out of the FGC. Cross Assault was a bad marketing experiment that was doomed from the start when they picked Aris. It also seemed poorly planned when it came to the events. Shouldn't have been live.

Posted by Katkillad

The worst part about it, I bet that Aris guy is enjoying all of the attention he is getting.  I try to watch some of the fighting game tournaments on twitch, but just about every announcer is racist and/or sexist.  It's like, they took the anonymity that people hide behind on the internet and removed it and that's how they act in real life now.
 
What is funny...is the MOBA community is even worse than the fighting game community if you can believe that.

Posted by xxizzypop

I wish I could sift through all of these comments and join in the conversation/shit slinging, but, mother of god, those comments.

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Posted by Napalm

@RagingDaemon: The people that matter support Super__Yan's actions. Continue on thinking everybody wants this, because they don't. A couple want to hold it back and to themselves like they are still in high school. Nope! Don't think so. Either you guys mature with the rest of them kicking and screaming, or be left behind.

It's as simple as that. It's not 1997 anymore.

Posted by Zokari

@RagingDaemon: What the fuck are you talking about, you simpleton? Women do not need to win a tournament to be deserving of being treated with respect.

Posted by Duffyside

@pekoe212 said:

@Duffyside said:

I feel... I feel like that time Superman realized he needed to team up with Lex Luthor to defeat Darkseid. That to save the world, he had to team up with the world's greatest enemy.

I... yes. It has to be done. No matter the cost.

Guys? We need Leigh Alexander to get involved in the fighting game community.

Oh my God. I...am trying to picture how that would end. All I see is death.

I know. ... Glorious, isn't it?

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Posted by RagingDaemon

@Zokari: One dude engaged anything I had to say with any substance. The rest of you that responded were clearly gotten to and went right to some version of insults that didn't even contain a cursory element of calling someone out. Point out things I said that were untrue, provide counter examples. Like a woman that won an EVO, or say the WNBA gets awesome ratings for their terrific slam dunks. If you want to pepper ad homs in between that, go nuts. Otherwise I write you off as both indoctrinated and too stupid to even explain yourself.

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Posted by JuggaloAcidman

I agree that his comments were sexist! Very sexist! But, I disagree with people saying that the clothing in fighting games is sexist... Both men and women alike wear little to nothing in fighting games! I think that female fighters in a bikini and dude fighters going shirtless is not really that bad!

Posted by IronSouls

@RagingDaemon said:

If this is the kind of crying and hand-wringing that ensues, "Esports" just needs its own version of a WNBA that no one gives a shit about and no one watches because comparatively speaking it's unskilled garbage. I can remember an 8 year old boy getting close to the finals at the last EVO. Can't remember a single woman getting that far.

"Correlation does not imply causation" - Perhaps the reason a single woman didn't get that far is a symptom of the inherent misogynist tendencies of the community.

Real talk: name a single thing women have ever invented that men clamored to be a part of? Vagina doesn't count. Everything from dungeons and dragons to combat sports started as a by dudes, for dudes cool thing.

Really? Let's see... How about Dr. Grace Murray Hopper? She lead the team that created the first proper computer language, COBOL. This site and probably half the stuff you use a day is influenced by her actions.

Or maybe how about Stephanie Kwolek? Her chemical research created Kevlar. Or Patsy Sherman, another chemist who created Scotchguard? I could go on all night but what a ridiculous statement for you to have made...

If the community doesn't want to change and is willing to give up some or all of the corporate money to be free, it's their choice. The choice of the guys who were there from day 1 and paid their dues. They don't need your idealistic bullshit moral highground finger wagging.

Just because a "good ol' boy" club exists doesn't mean they should get a free pass. Times change and people are expected to grow up and change with them or they will be left behind. Of course that is there choice they are free to choose whatever they want.

Or it's entirely possible mainstream culture accepts the behavior. Look to rap lyrics and torture porn style horror movies for one. Competitive outlets must exist. You cannot shut away the primal and negative sides of human emotion because in your rainbow sunshine worldview that would be real nice.

Don't confuse free speech with acceptance of an idea, people can say whatever they want. Doesn't mean you have to listen or accept them.

Those of you going nuclear at this smack of hyper liberal idealists who are either ignorant or willfully naive about how the real world with real people works. It's ugly. We're tribal.

So it's fine to just give in to your baser side and be a horrible human being? I thought the idea was to be a better person and rise above that.

Look at your righteous indignation and understand there are people who legitimately wish one or all of their hobbies never went mainstream. Back when it was just the truly passionate working in the trenches without leeches and Johnny come latelys trying to change the shit the pioneers built. And people who wanted to be a part of it had to be able to handle it.

I was a huge time anime fan back in the day, back when we were still bootlegging VHS tapes and subtitling things with Amiga with genlocks.. I saw the same thing as anime became more mainstream. Plenty of anger from people, screaming how anime isn't pure and the new fans are posers. Isn't the point of prompting a hobby to expose to to more people? To get people to share your passion for it? You are winning, people are taking notice. I don't understand why you would push away those you were trying to attract in the first place?

This situation reminds me of the vast majority of women who tried to hang in one of my former kickboxing gyms. They would talk a good game, but the first real, full force punch to the face, and they were gone. The ones who stayed and flourished weren't the cry babies, mentally weak, victim mentality types.

I'm not even sure what to say to this? Equating sexual harassment to sparring? No one wants to be broken down, male or female.

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@Sword5: Well at least he's not 100% OPPOSED to MK. Go visit SRK some time, that forum is the fucking WORST when it comes to shitting on Ed Boon and Co.

Posted by Milkman
@RagingDaemon said:

@Milkman: Was that an attempt to shame me? No tide of first year gender studies white knights or otherwise weak thinking people are going to get anywhere with just insults. Are you sure this isn't the comment section of Jezebel or Feministing?

It was more of an attempt to say you look like a meat head inbred fuck. If wanting to make sure that women can freely participate in e-sports without being shamed by rape threats makes this "Feministing", then sure, welcome to Feministing. I guess you're on the wrong site.
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Posted by AaronChance

I wonder what the reaction would be if instead of shouting about rape, it was, "That nigger is getting hung!" I'm guessing people would be generally less cool with it.

Posted by mrfluke
@RagingDaemon: enjoy  fighting games while they last you asshole, 
 
look at you, your part of the fighting game community and this is what you saying are you that dense?
 
youve got a boatload of new players breaking into fighting games due to SF4 and Mk9 and thats your fucking attitude  towards new players? to fucking be an elitist towards new players, and scare them off.  
 
i hope your a minority , otherwise this genre's growth is going to get stagnant real fast as fighting games dont have the luxury of a call of duty mainstream appeal to keep it alive, and sooner or later this genre is gonna depend on a community to keep it alive ,  
 
which if it has pricks like you that love to be "passionate" about a fucking video game enough to scare off the newcomers, then enjoy wacking off with your other elitists about fighting game theory and see u in another 10 years 
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Posted by Zokari

@RagingDaemon: No. You do not get the "choice" to be sexist.

Not without people rightfully calling you out.

Posted by Sword5

People need to look at more of the FGC than just those clips and Cross Assault.

1. Maximilian the Online Warrior: Great and informative videos for fighting games and Call of Duty. Check out his work and see the new face of the FGC.

2. Level Up Series: They were the first to ban racism and most profanity on their stream. They stream a weekly event "Wednesday Night Fights" that is a lot of fun to watch and other than the weak pre-game show it is very professional. Find clips on their youtube page to start and maybe catch a stream.

3. Cross Counter - Gootecks and Mike Ross: Pro players that reached out to the online community and now have a pretty decent weekly live show. They are a safe start for most people and Mike Ross did have a documentary done about him. They make good Youtube videos and have called out offensive people on xbox live.

4. Ultra David and James Chen. They are the professional voices of the FGC. They are always good to listen to.

5. Iplaywinner: 50/50. They have great streams, but they pride themselves in keeping aggressive arcade culture alive. They have tried to make things better in the past and one of their writers even wrote a post about sexism - http://iplaywinner.com/news/2011/11/2/the-salty-runback-oktoberfest.html They aren't perfect, but they have been working on it.

DON'T LOOK AT THE CHAT. THAT IS ALWAYS GOOD ADVICE.

I also want to mention that Jared isn't perfect. I watched the TNT when he pitched Frame Trap and I watched every episode of that show. Jared was a perfect example of the childish cynicism that he harped on while talking to Jeff and the gang. He picked on fans of non street fighter games and passed judgement on games he never played.

Posted by RagingDaemon

@Napalm: My bad chief. I first sent this reply as a PM. Here it is in comment form for more people to reactionarily get angry at.

I'm not even part of the fighting game community, despite my Ryu a/v. Don't bring up hyperbole like slavery or the holocaust and compare it to offensive language. That's intellectually dishonest and disingenuous. The point is, the dabblers and outsiders want to exert control on this group because it offends them. It crosses your particular line. If the fighting game community chooses to be insular and abandon the money, they're the ones who were playing obscure shit while no one cared about them for years, they'll be fine.

In this particular case this chick jumped in with both feet. She knew what she was getting into, supposedly. When she couldn't handle it that's when everyone had to come to the rescue. If you get in to spar you suffer the risk of a broken nose. No one lures you in with candy saying you are going to get hugged for 3 minute rounds. It's a caustic and tough community with jokes and language that are offensive to some. No one was deceived.

There's huggy bear shit out there for people who are into it. You're all up in arms trying to homogenize and dilute everything under your banner of the greater good of gaming or somesuch nonsense.

Also Capcom is probably thanking Aris for his antics due to bringing publicity to that unheard of (and boring by all accounts) show.

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Posted by Milkman

Reading through these comments would give you a good handful of people who could be great first candidates for the murder slingshot.

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Posted by RagingDaemon

@Milkman: Was that an attempt to shame me? No tide of first year gender studies white knights or otherwise weak thinking people are going to get anywhere with just insults. Are you sure this isn't the comment section of Jezebel or Feministing?

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Edited by cannonballBAM

This feels like a setback for the community.

Posted by depecheload
Posted by benson

@Rudeboy217: a lot of people exposing themselves as disgusting bigots.

Posted by Allison

@depecheload: You're right, that's my bad. I am still astounded that someone would financially support Giantbomb and think "AHA! Now this is my chance to finally put those transpeople in their place!"

Edited by Rudeboy217

Goddamn, what the fuck did I miss?

edit: Just read the article, extremely fucked up. Good job on this, Mr. Klepek.

Posted by depecheload

@Allison said:

@Robo said:

@Zokari: You are born one sex (usually...and he was).

If you're a male you're more than free to "be" female if you want, but you can not change that you were born with a penis, testicles, and a Y chromosome.

Saying someone can't factually refer to you as "he" anymore is fucking absurd. And frankly if genders are so unimportant anyway, why get so up in arms over calling someone by their genetic sex?

Are you fucking KIDDING ME.

We are in the midst of a debate against sexism and misogyny and now you feel privy to drag around the corpse of TRANSPHOBIA AROUND TOO?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GIANTBOMB?

Don't blame Giantbomb for this bag of dicks.

Posted by Allison

@Robo said:

@Zokari: You are born one sex (usually...and he was).

If you're a male you're more than free to "be" female if you want, but you can not change that you were born with a penis, testicles, and a Y chromosome.

Saying someone can't factually refer to you as "he" anymore is fucking absurd. And frankly if genders are so unimportant anyway, why get so up in arms over calling someone by their genetic sex?

Are you fucking KIDDING ME.

We are in the midst of a debate against sexism and misogyny and now you feel privy to drag around the corpse of TRANSPHOBIA AROUND TOO?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GIANTBOMB?

Posted by Sabata

"Part of the culture"? Really?? Christ, no wonder fucks like that die alone.

Posted by depecheload

@chaosnovaxz: @chaosnovaxz said:

Man, as stupid as Aris' comments are, I still think some people try WAY too hard to get offended, women more often than men, it seems.

Dumb shit like "Rape that bitch!" is said by plenty an idiotic gamer, to men quite often as well . Then they say the same shit to a woman, and now you're not only an idiot, but you're a sexist too!

I don't support any stupid dialogue as such, but "closing off a community to people" and "people trying way too hard to get offended by dumb shit and thus avoiding your community" are two different things.

It's like calling a man a sexist because he's openly berating a woman. Her gender has nothing to do with it, the man just happens to be a fucking asshole.

Imagine you're a woman who WAS raped. Would you feel comfortable hearing people yell that shit all around you as a fucking cheer? Probably not.

I think most people don't have to "try' to get offended at comments that treat rape as a joke.

Posted by SirDancelot

@RagingDaemon: You are a real piece of shit who is clearly lacking the emotional maturity to grasp the point of this article.

And real talk: it sounds like you're a fairly massive misogynistic prick.

Posted by Turambar
@RagingDaemon said:

@Zokari: Truth hurts?

No, your complete lack of awareness when it comes to societal norms despite underlying cultural biases does make for comedy though.
Posted by depecheload

@Robo: @Robo said:

@Zokari: You are born one sex (usually...and he was).

If you're a male you're more than free to "be" female if you want, but you can not change that you were born with a penis, testicles, and a Y chromosome.

Saying someone can't factually refer to you as "he" anymore is fucking absurd. And frankly if genders are so unimportant anyway, why get so up in arms over calling someone by their genetic sex?

Add "transphobic nonsense" to the list of entitled bullshit comments in this thread left by sexist men who enjoy their sexism.

Posted by YukoAsho

@Longevitous said:

People like this exist unfortunately but I don't know what bothers me more, that dumbass or that he was able to go on and on harassing her without someone telling him to shut the fuck up. I'm surprised she didn't walk out sooner than day 6. If you watch the end of the Day 6 footage, she was clearly scared and apprehensive when she decided to. That's messed up.

She was, unfortunately, contractually obligated, as she said on her Twitter, to stay two more days. It'd be sad if she decided to leave the scene. We need people like her to counterbalance the asshole population that currently overwhelms the FGC.

Posted by Longevitous

People like this exist unfortunately but I don't know what bothers me more, that dumbass or that he was able to go on and on harassing her without someone telling him to shut the fuck up. I'm surprised she didn't walk out sooner than day 6. If you watch the end of the Day 6 footage, she was clearly scared and apprehensive when she decided to. That's messed up.

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Posted by Zokari

@RagingDaemon: I'm laughing pretty hard at the idea that you think you made any "points" worth addressing.

Posted by YukoAsho

@Ulong said:

It's mind boggling that you have people so profoundly bigoted and stupid that they are, like aris, actually proud of the way the fighting game community treats women. "Hey, if you don't want bigotry you should go play starcraft instead".

Indeed. I'm sure MLG and Activision will GLADLY take the players that these morons turn away.

Posted by RagingDaemon

@KoolAidMan: All I see is a care bear who can't address any of my points.

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Posted by Zokari

@Robo: Oh, okay. Good thing Giant Bomb user Robo is here to make these grand pronouncements about the nature of sex and gender for the rest of us peons.

You don't get to decide these things, asshole.

Posted by Summoboomo

@RagingDaemon:You have really unhealthy attitudes about sex and gender. You should see a therapist.

Posted by benson

@Robo said:

@Zokari: You are born one thing.

If you're a male you're more than free to be the other if you want, but you can not change that you were born with a penis, testicles, and a Y chromosome.

And frankly if genders are so unimportant, why get so up in arms over calling someone by their genetic sex?

Gender, even on a purely genetic standpoint, isn't a binary thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

Posted by RE_Player1

@Hailinel: That was a very interesting comment. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by Napalm

@RagingDaemon: Okay then. Have fun keeping the community down by accepting genuinely offensive comments as the norm. Nobody's asking the community to become a bunch of politically correct angels. People are just saying, "hey, maybe this racist/sexist language is a bit over the line." It's not our fault you can't see where the line is. Saying the community is "just that way" doesn't make it any better. Slavery used to a be a "thing" that was acceptable until people said, "hey, guys? Maybe we should stop disparaging an entire race of people."

There is also a very clear difference between normal trash talking banter, and offensive commentary that crosses the line. Like I said, there is a line. Maybe you should use it and stop acting like a bunch of barbarians because, "that's just how we roll, dawg!"