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Posted by Pinworm45

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@jasondesante said:

some homo virgin rips on girls because he is fat and hideous and half retarded. Just put him in a corner and let him have his tantrum. Girls that play fighting games are just as cool as guys that play fighting games. Trash talk in fighting games is a last resort for those who aren't comfortable playing the game.

He insults men just as much as girls.. just no one gives a shit about that. People have to white knight girls, which is sexist itself, because it's implying that women can't handle trash talk, which apparently this one couldn't. Pretty fucking ironic that you proceed to call this guy a "homo virgin" who can't get girls because he is fat, as if that is somehow any less sexist than anything he has ever said. it is in fact more sexist, because his "sexism" was merely gendered insults like "bitch".

The difference to me, is that usually men are insulted for not being "man" enough, i.e. being like a woman. And a woman is insulted for....being a woman. That's why it can really hurt sometimes. That my membership in the other 50% of the population can be used as an "insult" against me, a "weakness," you can't really dismiss someone's worth at a more basic level.

I don't really have anything to add to this issue except for the fact that I can feel the my blood pressure spike up everytime I hear the term 'white knighting.' Because apparently guys are only offended by sexism because they want to get laid.

And not, you know, because they've had something bad happen to someone they care about like their mom or someone similar who was victimized for being a woman. Or a friend who was bullied for being a 'bitch' or 'slut' and ended up doing something to hurt themselves out of shame or sadness.

Shit like racism or sexism shouldn't be tolerated by anyone, male or female.

Except it's not sexism. Trash talking a girl is not fucking sexism. It is not sexism any more than trash talking a guy is. You know what's sexism? not allowing women to vote. Not letting them advance in their career.

You know what's not sexism? Trash talking women in a video game with a culture and group based around trash talk. The fact that no one cared when he did this to men, makes this white knighting. The fact that people think women are such fragile, inferior creatures that they need to be defended but men don't makes this white knighting.

The idea that no one cared is a complete blanket statement. No one should be bullied for what they are. I would've been just as mad (if probably more for personal reasons) if he had been bullying an individual for being a 'faggot.'

People do care about these things. They just choose to try to ignore them because what can you do? Like you said, its part of the culture. No one wants to be that one voice to point out 'hey, this is kinda fucked up' and then get shouted down because people don't want to change what they've always been even if their attitude and beliefs is completely abhorrent.

Is it completely unfathomable to you that some people actually enjoy being offensive? Mutual trash talk is also not "bullying". Saying such is insulting to actual bullying.

Posted by TadThuggish

Sounds perfect for a community that prides itself on alienation and self-destruction, as witnessed every time Giant Bomb does a fighting game quick look. The fighting game scene's ultimate punishment is already on them: being perpetually 12 years old.

Posted by prestonhedges

@DeathbyYeti said:

@gladspooky: The point was, "boys insulting boys, par for course. He insulted a woman? Why I never!"

Other than Patrick, who exactly are you accusing of hypocrisy, here? Everyone who's offended by this? Because there's probably some of them who wrote the fighting game community off years ago because of said boy-on-boy insulting, and were just reminded of how terrible that community is by this story.

There's probably some white knights, sure, but come on. If you're going to get on a mic and say something stupid in a public place, you should be prepared for the backlash.

Posted by Brendan

Aaand here we see the loser-ish side of the gaming community. What putrid human beings.

Posted by Dallas_Raines

Patrick posted this on twitter

If you're a member of the fighting game scene who feels strongly against the story I wrote today, get in touch. patrick@giantbomb.com.
Posted by Grondoth

@Phonics: Oh no! I've been accused of being a white knight! Whatever will I do!

Hey, remember when Keits yelled at an underage girl to strip? Or when he had that wonderful, enlightened commentary on gender science during the all women tournament? These things are stupid and unprofessional. They show a complete lack of perspective and lack of understanding about power dynamics. In short, the FGC and gamers in general have to endeavor to GROW THE FUCK UP. You wanna be taken seriously as entertainment? Start acting like something other than 12 year olds who know some swear words.

Posted by Vigil80

In general, I think people take things much too seriously. And a lot of ridiculousness has been given a pass in the name of political correctness.

But, it's a mark of good character to have some class and realize when enough is enough.

Posted by Nentisys

what the fuck is wrong with people. people just getting all mad over nothing.

Posted by mnzy
@Nefarious_Al said:

The FGC is not for the faint of heart. Some of us like that.

The raw and crude nature of the scene fosters competitiveness that is just not there when people are hugging after matches and saying "good game" when in reality you should be saying "Fuck you, you suck. Go step your shit up".

Miranda has been part of the FGC for some years now she knows what's up. It was unfortunate she felt the need to forfeit. Fact of the matter is she cracked it happens to everyone not just girls. Is Aris a dickhead? Yeah, but he is like that to everyone Miranda was not getting special treatment.

The FGC is actually very inviting go to a local and ask any random player to play and odds are they will say sure. People talk shit and sometimes people catch feelings but that is the nature of the beast. There are no friends during a match and that will never change.

The people trying to purify the FGC are the same clowns that don't want kids taking a PB&J to school because someone might have a peanut allergy.

Also for the record I hate "stream monsters" I think they are the scum of the earth much like idiots online that spew racial & homophobic shit like it is alright. They are not the FGC much like the aforementioned online idiots are not gamers as a whole.

Amen.
Posted by m2cks

@churrific said:

Like others have said, I wish Patrick would've gotten both sides of the story, including an insider's view from the community (not jared). Running the story without even speaking directly to the participants, or even getting a quote out of them, only provides a superficial glance at the situation and the community as a whole. A really negative one at that. No one's saying the FGC is perfect, but If you're gonna blow up a community, at least get some opposing viewpoints before using one man to paint a really ugly picture of a group of people to outsiders who have no exposure to them.

Yes, but note how he tried twice, unsuccessfuly, to reach out to Bakhtanians for his side of the story. Patrick shouldn't be blamed for being biased; rather he should be commended for trying. If you need someone to blame for this story sounding "one-sided", blame Bakhtanians for not responding.

Posted by Skogen

Jared is no friend to the fighting game community after exploiting a well known community site in order to get a job at Twitch.tv. He firmly believes in turning the FGC into Starcraft, and there is a ton of resentment towards him among the masses due to this. He hates the the FGC for who we are and wants to assimilate us to the eSports culture. Similar to how the mainstream chewed up and homogenized rap/hip-hop music into the pile of garbage it is now, the eSports reich plans to do the same to fighting games.

The bottom line is people don't understand the culture. Most people left the arcades when they stopped being casual, while people playing fighting games stayed in the trenches. It is very much so a hardened culture, one not easily tamed by the sudden comeuppance of the Street Fighter name in recent years. A majority of people like to forget the fact that fighting games were produced between Street Fighter II and Street Fighter IV and most importantly that there were people actively playing the games between then. Do you really expect the community to be the same after it was abandoned 15 some-odd years ago?

The Truth is, Aris is what grew out of the arcade culture. He embodies the past people try to forget. He grew out of what everyone left behind, yet when Capcom finally sees a way to make a potential profit, they throw a leash on him and expect him to sit. It simply does not work that way. If Patrick had done the proper amount of sleuthing, he would have found the statement made by the other female contestant, Sherry "SherryJenix" Nhan regarding the situation.

I'm usually a huge fan of Patrick articles, but the whole "scoop" bit game-journos are salivating over is making this topic even more disturbing. And calling the fighting game community crass is not going to surprise anyone within, sorry.

Posted by Alkaiser

@Pinworm45 said:

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@pekoe212 said:

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@jasondesante said:

some homo virgin rips on girls because he is fat and hideous and half retarded. Just put him in a corner and let him have his tantrum. Girls that play fighting games are just as cool as guys that play fighting games. Trash talk in fighting games is a last resort for those who aren't comfortable playing the game.

He insults men just as much as girls.. just no one gives a shit about that. People have to white knight girls, which is sexist itself, because it's implying that women can't handle trash talk, which apparently this one couldn't. Pretty fucking ironic that you proceed to call this guy a "homo virgin" who can't get girls because he is fat, as if that is somehow any less sexist than anything he has ever said. it is in fact more sexist, because his "sexism" was merely gendered insults like "bitch".

The difference to me, is that usually men are insulted for not being "man" enough, i.e. being like a woman. And a woman is insulted for....being a woman. That's why it can really hurt sometimes. That my membership in the other 50% of the population can be used as an "insult" against me, a "weakness," you can't really dismiss someone's worth at a more basic level.

I don't really have anything to add to this issue except for the fact that I can feel the my blood pressure spike up everytime I hear the term 'white knighting.' Because apparently guys are only offended by sexism because they want to get laid.

And not, you know, because they've had something bad happen to someone they care about like their mom or someone similar who was victimized for being a woman. Or a friend who was bullied for being a 'bitch' or 'slut' and ended up doing something to hurt themselves out of shame or sadness.

Shit like racism or sexism shouldn't be tolerated by anyone, male or female.

Except it's not sexism. Trash talking a girl is not fucking sexism. It is not sexism any more than trash talking a guy is. You know what's sexism? not allowing women to vote. Not letting them advance in their career.

You know what's not sexism? Trash talking women in a video game with a culture and group based around trash talk. The fact that no one cared when he did this to men, makes this white knighting. The fact that people think women are such fragile, inferior creatures that they need to be defended but men don't makes this white knighting.

The idea that no one cared is a complete blanket statement. No one should be bullied for what they are. I would've been just as mad (if probably more for personal reasons) if he had been bullying an individual for being a 'faggot.'

People do care about these things. They just choose to try to ignore them because what can you do? Like you said, its part of the culture. No one wants to be that one voice to point out 'hey, this is kinda fucked up' and then get shouted down because people don't want to change what they've always been even if their attitude and beliefs is completely abhorrent.

Is it completely unfathomable to you that some people actually enjoy being offensive? Mutual trash talk is also not "bullying". Saying such is insulting to actual bullying.

This didn't seem to be a mutual thing. And yeah, I understand that some people enjoy being offensive. Too bad he couldn't keep it to himself in a public venue and came off looking like an asshole.

Posted by cikame

I've been following the Tekken scene for awhile, Aris is very controversial in his opinions he's just one of those guys who says bad things constantly.
That's just who he is, take it or leave it, i don't particularly like the things he says but he's one of the few keeping the scene alive, hosts alot of live streams and tournaments, makes informative videos and i can respect him for that.

Posted by bvilleneuve

@Pinworm45 said:

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He's done similar if not worse things to other people. None of them cared and found it funny. Why should he and his friends all change the culture they've created to satisfy ONE person out of political correctness - something he actively wants to avoid in his community?

Because the 'culture' he's created is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something civilized.

I think the PC culture is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something I prefer.

Who the fuck are you to dictate what a group of people can and can not enjoy? Who the fuck are you to be this moral arbiter? How about you exercise your rights to ignore that which you don't like, and partake in that which you do? I'm not going out of my way to force you and your group of friends to swear do whatever you don't like, show me the same respect (or at least that's what I'd say if I was part of their group, I'm not)

Go fuck yourself. This bullshit about "political correctness" needs to end. Stewart Lee puts it best in one of his many brilliant bits. I paraphrase: political correctness is nothing more than a mutual agreement to move towards a more inclusive standard of discourse. The bit itself can be found here. Watch it and maybe you'll learn something.

Now that you know what political correctness is, you may be a little closer to understanding what freedom of speech is. Just to help out a little, let me tell you what it isn't: freedom of speech is not a fucking license to say whatever you want without recourse in kind from other people. Aris is free to spew whatever sexist shit he wants. I'm then free to call him a shitheel for doing so. I'm also free to say that the fighting game community is rotten for supporting his bullshit. And, finally, I'm free to call you ignorant for thinking political correctness is going mad.

I was being sarcastic you dolt. I don't want to tell you how to act and what humor to enjoy around your friends, and I expect the same from you. And that's EXACTLY what freedom of speech is - the ability to say whatever you want (minus that which is illegal such as fire!) without other people being able to legally stop you. You are free to call him a Shitheel. Hell, you're free to not listen to him! you're free to have your own cultures that are PC or whatever you enjoy! You're free to think his community sucks!

You're not free to impose your will on what others say or enjoy. And he's not a sexist.

I know you were being sarcastic about literally wanting to replace "PC culture," but the fact that you think political correctness is something you oppose even philosophically betrays your wrong-minded approach here.

Nobody's trying to impose my will on anybody. I'm also not saying he's a sexist--I'm just saying he said some sexist shit. Here, let illdoctrine educate you this time on the difference between the conversation on what he said and the conversation on what he is. The conversation we're having here is (or at least should be) the what he said conversation, and what he said was reprehensible. The conversation you seem to think we're having is the what he is conversation, and the what he is conversation is complete as soon as somebody realizes he's just a confused boy with a big man's beard.

Posted by Pinworm45

@whatthegeek said:

@Pinworm45: Exactly how am I ignorant here? I'm not saying every fighting game player is a rapist or anything crazy like that - hell, I love fighting games..... but I'm able to play them without sexually harassing anyone in the process.

Strictly from a sociological and psychological point of view, when people inclined to commit a sex crime see other people committing sex crimes, or making light of committing sex crimes, they feel validated in their actions. This isn't speculation, it's a fact.

Everyone likes to say "Oh it's all in good fun" or "Oh we're just kidding - we're not ACTUALLY sexist" and in some cases that may be true, but there's always a handful of people out there who are going to take it too far - people who are going to go from "just kidding" to committing a crime - tell me why it's a good idea to encourage them?

You're ignorant because you have absolutely no understanding of what makes someone a rapist. You're ignorant because you think that if no one says "hey dude, don't trash talk that girl lol", he will turn into a rapist. You're ignorant because you think trash talking girls in videogames leads to becoming a rapist. You're ignorant because you think that telling people not to do it will actually effect the persons psychology enough to make them not be a rapist, or have the problems that lead to doing that act.

You're ignorant because you're insulting rape victims by even comparing this to that. You're ignorant because you think that someone saying "Yeah, I just raped you in this game" and someone going "you sure did", will actually lead to them committing rape that they otherwise would not have.

You're ignorant because you brought rape up in a conversation about trash talking in video games.

You're ignorant because by your logic, if he says he "raped" a guy - as a verb replacement for "owned" - he is more likely to rape a guy in real life.

What a stupid fucking argument, and completely irrelevant to this thread and bafflingly stupid. I will not continue any discussion that actually compares trash talk to rape, or think trash talk leads to rape.

Posted by Krakn3Dfx

Bakhtanians looks a little like Ryan with a much bigger beard.

Also, F that guy, what a douchebag.

Bakhtanians, not Ryan.

Posted by McQuinn

Why the hell is star craft even relevant here!!! Aris would have stopped if told to cus his philosophy would be if you don't want to deal with me fuck you, I don't care. Even if she wanted out due to harassment, it's wrong that she took a spot from other potential contestants and sabotaged any chances Kor had to come back even if he was the weakest. Sexual harassment is bad, but if they are jokes and you laugh at them, you are at fault. How is that guy supposed to know?

Posted by UnrealDP

I do love the whole "It's established, so it stays!" thing Bakhtanians has going on. If we as a country stood by that truly amazing montra, we'd still have great things like slavery, racism, cruel and unusual punishment, generally no religious freedom, and more! Damn, we've really been missing out, eh?

Posted by IntoTheN1ght

The difference here is that the fighting game community, largely located on SRK and TeamSp00ky endorses this and they have a severe case of "this is ours dont fuck with it" mentality. Which is why they are dead set on not learning anything from Star Craft 2, its not that they dont believe in a more professional broadcast will bring in more viewers, no, they know it will. But its simply a pride thing. Its a good example of manchildren being unable to be anything but

Afterall these RTS nerds will not tell them how to do their own thing because they did it since the mid 90s.

There is a reason why the prize money is so abysmal compared to almost any other esport out there, run by a bunch of old, desperate and sad people.

They also make fun of console FPS games and all the "kiddies" and yet they display the exact same douchebaggery that the younger generation does on a daily basis.

Posted by darkdragonmage99
@soundlug:  I never said you didn't or that you said anything about shutting him up some people in this topic sure have. Some people in here sound like they are in favor of "hate" speech laws  
 
Be offended all you want don't a  associated with the guy fine with me.
 
  I clearly disagree with the opinion he said anything all that wrong at least from what I've read.  If bitch is the worst the guys got he's far from a sexist and talking trash does not harassment make.  I've been called a bitch many times among far worse things guess what I've been harassed too they are completely different things.  
Posted by TadThuggish

Basically, , the sad thing you've probably realized is that whenever sexism is called out, the Sexist in the common man becomes abundantly clear.

Posted by Ekpyroticuniverse

fun fact defending a douche bag makes you sound like a douche bag, the more you know.

Posted by raptorsrevenge

@ZeForgotten: You don't find you statement the least bit ironic, do you?

Posted by mrmarkrobson

@Conceited: there are articles about that...kotaku ran one about the over all welcoming of all types in chinatown fair before it closed. The reality is that acceptance should be the norm, not news...

Posted by NancyDrewFan123

@Nefarious_Al said:

The FGC is not for the faint of heart. Some of us like that.

The raw and crude nature of the scene fosters competitiveness that is just not there when people are hugging after matches and saying "good game" when in reality you should be saying "Fuck you, you suck. Go step your shit up".

Miranda has been part of the FGC for some years now she knows what's up. It was unfortunate she felt the need to forfeit. Fact of the matter is she cracked it happens to everyone not just girls. Is Aris a dickhead? Yeah, but he is like that to everyone Miranda was not getting special treatment.

The FGC is actually very inviting go to a local and ask any random player to play and odds are they will say sure. People talk shit and sometimes people catch feelings but that is the nature of the beast. There are no friends during a match and that will never change.

There's a huge difference between saying "fuck you" or making fun of someone's play and following them around with a video camera and video taping their crotch, ass, and feet. One of them is something competitive people do. The other is something criminals do. What Aris did (and does) is not cool behavior among adults. This isn't about the fighting game community being rowdy or trash talking. It is about being sexually aggressive where it isn't wanted.

Posted by TadThuggish

@UnrealDP said:

I do love the whole "It's established, so it stays!" thing Bakhtanians has going on. If we as a country stood by that truly amazing montra, we'd still have great things like slavery, racism, cruel and unusual punishment, generally no religious freedom, and more! Damn, we've really been missing out, eh?

480i is established, so it stays!

Posted by Pinworm45

@Alkaiser said:

@Pinworm45 said:

This didn't seem to be a mutual thing. And yeah, I understand that some people enjoy being offensive. Too bad he couldn't keep it to himself in a public venue and came off looking like an asshole.

It was taken out of context. She shrugged it off. She didn't like it, sure, but she shrugged it off and later said it was no big deal. Either way, I was refering to basically everyone but her, where the trash talk was mutual - including another girl.

Edited by churrific

@Turambar said:

@churrific said:

Like others have said, I wish Patrick would've gotten both sides of the story, including an insider's view from the community (not jared). Running the story without even speaking directly to the participants, or even getting a quote out of them, only provides a superficial glance at the situation and the community as a whole. A really negative one at that. No one's saying the FGC is perfect, but If you're gonna blow up a community, at least get some opposing viewpoints before using one man to paint a really ugly picture of a group of people to outsiders who have no exposure to them.

He reached out to both Super_Yan and Aris for comments on their side of the story. Neither responded. He didn't interview Jared either, instead posting a transcript of his conversation with Aris.

Yeah exactly. I thought there was supposed to be some kind of due diligence to journalism. Patrick reaching out to members of FGC now on twitter for opposing viewpoints, after the article's already been posted, is kind of grimey.

Posted by Orange_Pork

"Can I get my Street Fighter without sexual harassment" was the best thing I've ever heard on any stream.

Posted by AlwaysBeClothing

I remember seeing that guy during the EVO streams but I'm pretty shocked Capcom would allow him to be the face of their livestreams if he continues to make comments like he has.

Posted by Phatmac

Man, this gives me more reason to assume the worst from the FGC. Grow the fuck up people.

Posted by TheYear20XX

@Nefarious_Al said:

Is Aris a dickhead? Yeah, but he is like that to everyone Miranda was not getting special treatment.

I didn't see him asking sexual questions to the male team members, or threatening to smell them if they lost a match. Being a dickhead, even if it's to everyone, should not be acceptable behavior anywhere. There's a difference between trash talk and being an asshole. One is okay, one isn't.

Posted by Bravestar

wow, a lot of people don't know the difference between trash talking and sexual harassment. I'm shocked and quite honest, I'm also disgusted by a lot of you guys.

what aris did was sexual harassment, not trash talking. if you don't get the difference: there are enough websites and people around the globe willing to educate you.

Edited by Pinworm45

@bvilleneuve said:

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@moregrammarplz said:

@Pinworm45 said:

He's done similar if not worse things to other people. None of them cared and found it funny. Why should he and his friends all change the culture they've created to satisfy ONE person out of political correctness - something he actively wants to avoid in his community?

Because the 'culture' he's created is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something civilized.

I think the PC culture is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something I prefer.

Who the fuck are you to dictate what a group of people can and can not enjoy? Who the fuck are you to be this moral arbiter? How about you exercise your rights to ignore that which you don't like, and partake in that which you do? I'm not going out of my way to force you and your group of friends to swear do whatever you don't like, show me the same respect (or at least that's what I'd say if I was part of their group, I'm not)

Go fuck yourself. This bullshit about "political correctness" needs to end. Stewart Lee puts it best in one of his many brilliant bits. I paraphrase: political correctness is nothing more than a mutual agreement to move towards a more inclusive standard of discourse. The bit itself can be found here. Watch it and maybe you'll learn something.

Now that you know what political correctness is, you may be a little closer to understanding what freedom of speech is. Just to help out a little, let me tell you what it isn't: freedom of speech is not a fucking license to say whatever you want without recourse in kind from other people. Aris is free to spew whatever sexist shit he wants. I'm then free to call him a shitheel for doing so. I'm also free to say that the fighting game community is rotten for supporting his bullshit. And, finally, I'm free to call you ignorant for thinking political correctness is going mad.

I was being sarcastic you dolt. I don't want to tell you how to act and what humor to enjoy around your friends, and I expect the same from you. And that's EXACTLY what freedom of speech is - the ability to say whatever you want (minus that which is illegal such as fire!) without other people being able to legally stop you. You are free to call him a Shitheel. Hell, you're free to not listen to him! you're free to have your own cultures that are PC or whatever you enjoy! You're free to think his community sucks!

You're not free to impose your will on what others say or enjoy. And he's not a sexist.

I know you were being sarcastic about literally wanting to replace "PC culture," but the fact that you think political correctness is something you oppose even philosophically betrays your wrong-minded approach here.

Nobody's trying to impose my will on anybody. I'm also not saying he's a sexist--I'm just saying he said some sexist shit. Here, let illdoctrine educate you this time on the difference between the conversation on what he said and the conversation on what he is. The conversation we're having here is (or at least should be) the what he said conversation, and what he said was reprehensible. The conversation you seem to think we're having is the what he is conversation, and the what he is conversation is complete as soon as somebody realizes he's just a confused boy with a big man's beard.

I don't oppose political correctness "philosophically". It has it's place. That place is not in cultures that exist majorly because of the members desire to have a PC free culture. Saying we should all be more polite in general is fine. Attempting to force it into a group of people who want nothing to do with it is not. And what you said is sexist to the same degree - calling him a confused boy with a big mans beard. You're using gender to insult him. You're questioning his man hood. It's the exact same fucking thing as calling a girl a pussy or a bitch, you hypocrite.

Also, why aren't you calling the other girl a sexist when she said things like "man up" "grow some balls" etc? Those are sexist terms, by what you're saying, so where's the outrage? I guess only women are weak enough in your eyes to require your defense?

Posted by UnrealDP

@TadThuggish said:

@UnrealDP said:

I do love the whole "It's established, so it stays!" thing Bakhtanians has going on. If we as a country stood by that truly amazing montra, we'd still have great things like slavery, racism, cruel and unusual punishment, generally no religious freedom, and more! Damn, we've really been missing out, eh?

480i is established, so it stays!

That's the spirit! Good on you, mate! This console generation's so well established, it needs to stay!

Posted by Huey2k2

As someone who knows nothing about the fighting game community, or the people in it. I must say, this article is rather silly. Anytime you have any sort of serious competitive atmosphere there is going to be trash talking, and nothing in this article is especially over the top as far as trash talking goes. Go play some COD on Xbox Live and tell me that anything in this is crossing the line, because the shit you hear on there is about 100 times worse than this.

Trash talking is part of competition, ask any kind of professional athlete, they all do it. If you can't take the heat, get out of the metaphorical kitchen.

Posted by TadThuggish

TL;DR for the comments section:

Shut up with you and your facts!

Posted by SoulEdgeSlayer

@MasturbatingestBear: We're actually very chill. I'm not sure where Aris (Bakhtanians) is getting this whole idea that the fighting game community wouldn't work without sexism. No need to insult other players, regardless of their sex. However, Jared getting upset about people calling Phoenix a bitch are nothing but being whiny. Who cares what someone calls a fictional character? Wesker is a cheap bastard and no one is complaining about him being called that!

Most of the time the fighting game community is very open to anyone playing, as long as you are good or trying! There is a small fighting game community where I live locally, and me and my fiancee are both members that show up regularly, and none of this stuff happens.

Also, just as a comparison, there was segregation between races in the US at one point. If he were alive at the time, he would be one of the people advocating segregation because "The United States is nothing if it doesn't have segregation." The idea that if it currently is being done, then it MUST be correct is one of the dumbest things I have read in a long time.

Posted by TadThuggish

@Huey2k2 said:

As someone who knows nothing about the fighting game community, or the people in it. I must say, this article is rather silly. Anytime you have any sort of serious competitive atmosphere there is going to be trash talking, and nothing in this article is especially over the top as far as trash talking goes. Go play some COD on Xbox Live and tell me that anything in this is crossing the line, because the shit you hear on there is about 100 times worse than this.

Trash talking is part of competition, ask any kind of professional athlete, they all do it. If you can't take the heat, get out of the metaphorical kitchen.

I hope you're raped at gunpoint, you stupid fucking bitch whore. ~*TRASHTALK:3*~

Posted by Scratch

I can't believe this guy compares sexual harassement in these games as having onions in a sandwich. WTF.

Posted by NoelVeiga

@Ares42: There's a very easy distinction to be made here. "Shit" and "Fuck" may offend you, but they won't insult you, because they're not insults. See, it's one thing for me to say "fuck this shit" in the forums and another for me to tell *you* to go fuck *yourself*.

In the first instance you can get offended, but that's your problem. It's you thinking some things aren't meant to be said. In the other example, be it a joke or not, you could feel insulted or harassed or attacked.

And that's where the line is.

The only people who can't see the line are the people who want to cross it and disingenuously pretend that anything is fair game as long as they are cool with it themselves. Don't think for a second that the irony of these threads getting so many responses saying "Giant Bomb (or Kotaku or whatever) shouldn't post about these things" while also claiming that this is somehow a "free speech" issue is lost here.

Posted by BD

“This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20-years-old and the sexual harassment is part of a culture” That quote is probably true for everyone online gaming community. Hell their is a popular StarCraft video that is the very definition of this quote, it is not just the FGC. They was also an incident where DJwheat(a popular caster) intro'd his show saying "Welcome Bitches" which caused a bit of controversy. This spurred the Starcraft community about a months worth of discussion threads about appropriate language and the importance of context. I suspect the same will happen to the FGC if they really want to grow.

Posted by countinhallways

One thing I have certainly learned from these past few days is that every conversation I have with someone associated with the FGC should be preceded by the sentence: "Are you streaming this right now?".

Edited by AxleBro

Patrick, i'm going to ask for an apology, as a fan of your articles, and a member of the community you just labeled as a group of "sexist" "racist" "immature teenage homophobes" i found this article to be in poor tastes.

edit: i was quoting the comments, these are things people who know nothing about the fgc have gathered from what patrick has written. and i find that offensive since everyone in the fgc who i hang out and play games with are great people and i do not want to see them spoken of in that way."

Posted by mutha3

I'm not sure what depresses me more -- the incident described in the article, or some of the dumb shit I've read in this comment section.
 
Turns out nerds and conversation about fair treatment of women doesn't go well together, what a shock!

Posted by McQuinn
@gladspooky

@DeathbyYeti said:

@Pinworm45 said:

Except it's not sexism. Trash talking a girl is not fucking sexism. It is not sexism any more than trash talking a guy is. You know what's sexism? not allowing women to vote. Not letting them advance in their career.

You know what's not sexism? Trash talking women in a video game with a culture and group based around trash talk. The fact that no one cared when he did this to men, makes this white knighting. The fact that people think women are such fragile, inferior creatures that they need to be defended but men don't makes this white knighting.

I like this. Aris was harassing the men just as much as the women, often snickering that someone may be "gay" or something about their appearance. As soon as it comes to a woman though, no one can believe this is happening. I also believe 100% that Capcom knew what they were getting into hiring Aris. Aris was the only reason I watched the show and rightfully so

"Don't worry, guys, he's a homophobe, too!"

Yeah, good argument.

Aris had actually said that he used to be gay back in high school. I find that funny.
Posted by Itwastuesday

arguing over watching people play video games

Posted by MethodMan008

This article is staged.

Posted by Dallas_Raines

@AxleFGK said:

Patrick, i'm going to ask for an apology, as a fan of your articles, and a member of the community you just labeled as a group of "sexist" "racist" "immature teenage homophobes" i found this article to be in poor tastes.

No, he didn't. Aris did that.