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Edited by delmariachi

I don't think this is simply an issue based around a certain genre and small community of gamers, this has become a general problem over the years. From Arcade to PC and now Console, the whole community within gaming has gone markedly down hill, ever since the ability to communicate online during play was enabled. Even on less competitive arenas, such as unranked online play, the whole attitude stinks to high heaven.

I've lost count of the times I've beaten a guy or been beaten and got a microphone tirade or a message with text / voice, coating me off with various expletives featured in Shakespeare's famous work "How To Be A Cunt And Influence People"

Then you get the whole hitting on the female player in the room, because apparently in some bullshit unwritten rule, that's okay too, they expect and want it.

Couple this with the self-entitlement of being able to say what you wish, there seems to be an ever growing mass of Racists and Misogynists playing videogames of late, and its these same pricks that will stop gaming rising above its "immature" status in the eyes of the non-gaming world. I've been gaming for 30 years and I have to say, I hate what my community has become.

As for people with an outlook like Aris, I just go to the greatest invention in gaming of late... the mute button

Posted by shimrra

I miss the days of when you could play a VS game face to face or side by side cause no one would say anything unless they could back it up. In other words you would watch what you would say cause if you stepped out of line the opposing player would just either give you beating right there or just wait for you outside the store.

Posted by Adrean89

This would not be ok in any professional sport.

Posted by YukoAsho

@stryker1121 said:

I don't understand how Miranda's contract has anything to do with her pushing back against Aris's pervy aggressiveness. Not a jab at you, of course, but I've read a few threads about the contract, like there's no sexual harassment clause protecting her? Pardon my naivete but that part of the story is very strange.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, Miranda says she DID try to get Aris to get off her back and he brushed her off.

Posted by YukoAsho

@Hailinel said:

@King9999: Yes, because Giant Bomb is not a fighting game-centric website. If the FGC wants better press for the masses, they need to make the effort to put the word out in a way that goes beyond their circle of insular web communities like SRK.

In other words, the FGC should expect to only be discussed when it's time for the next witch hunt. Problem is that it's this lack of support that's part of the problem. While media and sponsors flooded MLG for Starcraft and Halo/CoD for a decade, the FGC is almost entirely grassroots. That's lead to bitter resentment of newcomers which has created part of the issue in the first place.

Aris should never be allowed on a stream again, and neither should Marn. EVO and SRK sent a strong message last week that this shit wasn't going to be tolerated on streams, and hopefully this opens up dialog about the comfort and safety of event participants and spectators, regardless of their differences. However, it's not enough to ONLY talk about negative things. That's going to bring resentment from a community that's been ignored completely while other games have quickly formed competitive leagues, helped by massive early sponsorships.

As I said before, it's not enough to smack the bad guys. We have to cheer the good guys too. Too many in the FGC only view this as a media witch hunt.

Posted by jamesisaacs

Is this about girl gamers not liking sexy comments?

P.S. That Miranda is a hottie!

Posted by Hailinel

@TeflonBilly: Of course I want to see improvements. But I also want to see more of the FGC own up to the fact that they have some abject scum within their ranks, and that for all their proselytizing about the community being about the nature of competition, there are some who use it as a means to demean others.

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Posted by TeflonBilly

Well, in my eyes, has won me over due to the obnoxious posts of people like and who don't seem to want any improvements anymore. They just want a witchhunt and an oppurtunity to come off as morally superior. People like you are what cause the Comics Code, McCarthy Trials and Video Nasty hunts to happen. You are becoming fountains of negativity spewing pure sewage rather than constructive solutions or new talking points because you're running out of ad hominem attacks.

I've made my share of thoughts about this deal in the other threads, so I'm not gonna beat a dead horse an reiterate them. I do suggest you take a look at your own posts before you decide to take another swing at the carcass to. Maybe you'll have an epiphany that most people you are attacking and calling for the heads off are actually agreeing with you to an extent. You've just decided to go full on fundementalist jihad.

Posted by twillfast

@KoolAidMan: You're right. Aris is an asshole, but at least a consistent asshole. Deezer is aswell. CombatEX is being too uncertain if he want's to remain a douchebag. The day he stops completely, he'll have to prove his skill and then he'll be forgotten. Thus, he should remain an ass.

CombatEX's problem is he's not just BM, he's a cheater. If someone gets caught cheating in sports (e.g. a runner who uses illegal substances), they're basically marked for life.

This was a little OT, but I guess we concluded Aris is an eternal ass. The reason why he doesn't want the fighting community to get exposure is because he looks like a butt. ^_^

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@OneManX: If Jeff and Brad want to go, they should go. Being journalists, I figure it would be in their best interest to report a big event like Evo. X-Play did it last year. I know Jeff is a big fan of fighting games.

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Im not sure how anyone can defend this in anyway. He never stopped. He never let up.

She handled it as lighthearted, and as playfully as she could. But I felt terribly uncomfortable watching that. Hopefully he has seen the footage and realizes how disgusting he was acting.

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@King9999 said:

A lot of you have no clue what the community is really like to be making these accusations. For example, did you know that the community helped out one of their own when he lost his life savings to a fire? If you were part of the community, you would know that. Sites like Giant Bomb sure as hell aren't going to report it.

All I'm saying is, don't write off an entire community because of the actions of one man. You have no right to be saying anything if you don't know the scene. And Jared Rea isn't exactly on the level.

Yeah, just like they dont report on the lot of good other communities do either, but when someone fucks up... and its big, it gets reported. I dont have the exact quote, but Alex on Twitter said something around th lines of , Journalists and news are not created to champion your community, they are there to report news good or bad'. Maybe some sites will pick up on the happenings at Final Round, maybe not, after the cold shoulder alot of journos got after this story, why should they report it?

Edit: also... While I don't consider GB an expert on the FGC, I think they know enough about it. On the Bombcast they had an understanding of it, they grew up in arcades and some are fans of fighting games. How many times has Jeff and Brad stated then wanted to go to EVO?

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Posted by Hailinel

@King9999: Yes, because Giant Bomb is not a fighting game-centric website. If the FGC wants better press for the masses, they need to make the effort to put the word out in a way that goes beyond their circle of insular web communities like SRK.

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Posted by BBQBram

Hey fighting game community, defend your elementary school though talk all you want, it's not ironic, it's sophomoric and stupid. You can think of other things to yell than "rape!" can't you? What's wrong with destruction and carnage regardless of gender?

Posted by StarblindMarkSWH

It's not North Korea, that's true... that means that everyone should be respected, because this kind of hatred is accepeted only where people aren't important to their leaders, in backward countries.

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@darkdragonmage99: Sorry about that. I'll retract it from my post.
 
edit...actually, I seem to be jumping on the hate bandwagon. I'll take most of what I said down.
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@Claude: I'm guessing you've never played a  Koreans in a game before they are very technical they also always kick my ass.  
 
 edit: great example of someone taking something out of context to make it sound racist. 
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@RagingDaemon said:

@SpikeSpiegel: I'm saying that the people who are saying language that they don't agree with should never be used and would try to exert influence to change the FGC from without are advocating censorship based on their own moral/ethical worldviews. In this case it's internet/media pressure.

I've said a few times before that the FGC would have to deal with consequences from sponsors or general viewership if they chose to dig in and their sponsors didn't like it. But that it should be their choice, and that of their market interaction. Not the media fueling internet cop activists.

What SRK did wasn't instigated by the FGC coming to terms with anything. It was initiated by the most part by people who don't play, don't watch, don't contribute, don't go to EVO or local tournaments, but are professional at being offended on the internet.

Who likes when right wingers try to control other people's lives based on their own beliefs? Same idea here, though on a smaller and less significant scale obviously.

What does or does not count as sexual harassment always comes down to the person being harassed feeling uncomfortable. If I say any innocuous comment about a woman's appearance at work, if she feels uncomfortable, she can report me for sexual harassment. That's just how it works. Accept it.

The embarrassing part of all this is the FGC reaction. People, for the most part, leveled their disgust at the guy saying these things. Then the FGC got up in arms and got all defensive, and started protecting him. That's what has made everyone start to think less of the FGC. Before it was mostly focused on him, but now you're included in it because you're defending him vociferously. You guys threw your cards in with him, we didn't.

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While reading the eurogamer article posted above, I found this link to an interview with Aris in the comments. It shows a little bit of his personality.
 
  

Edited by Lnin0

Not to take anything away from GB, who did an great job reporting the events as they unraveled, but Eurogamer wrote an excellent retrospective piece that frames this, not as an issue within the FGC, but with gaming as a whole. Anyone who loves gaming should give it a read.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-03-its-time-to-kick-back-against-gaming-bigots

Bakhtanians says he didn't mean to offend and maybe he didn't, but he clearly lacked the ability to judge where that line was. So let's correct him and all the others who behave like him by ramming home that 'this, this right here, that is the line'.

Posted by RagingDaemon

@SpikeSpiegel: I'm saying that the people who are saying language that they don't agree with should never be used and would try to exert influence to change the FGC from without are advocating censorship based on their own moral/ethical worldviews. In this case it's internet/media pressure.

I've said a few times before that the FGC would have to deal with consequences from sponsors or general viewership if they chose to dig in and their sponsors didn't like it. But that it should be their choice, and that of their market interaction. Not the media fueling internet cop activists.

What SRK did wasn't instigated by the FGC coming to terms with anything. It was initiated by the most part by people who don't play, don't watch, don't contribute, don't go to EVO or local tournaments, but are professional at being offended on the internet.

Who likes when right wingers try to control other people's lives based on their own beliefs? Same idea here, though on a smaller and less significant scale obviously.

Posted by stryker1121

@ScoutGhst said:

"Good job, Kor... Hopefully, she's crying in the restroom".... Aris's last words on the video above. If there was any doubt of Aris's intentions as he was "coaching" SuperYan, that should clear it up. Steve, Bronson, and 200Yen were allowed to practice in (relative) peace during the time that Aris's attentions were focused on SuperYan, but she was distracted and pestered the entire time she should have been working on her game skills. Kor was less fortunate due to his proximity to SuperYan... but apparently he managed to do a good job anyway. Aris used his position of authority as leverage against her while she was under contract and could not talk back, fight back, or leave.

Sherry "Cherry" with an "S" Jennings was not there in the room with Aris and didn't see or hear what the rest of the world saw since she was cloistered in the Team Street Fighter room with a *real coach*. I would not lend her credibility on this subject.

And.... Please remember that it was Aris who brought the entire FGC into this harassment issue, in a feeble attempt to defend himself. SuperYan never, *ever* mentioned the FGC community at large.... the community she's embraced for years and had become accustomed to and loved... warts and all.

I don't understand how Miranda's contract has anything to do with her pushing back against Aris's pervy aggressiveness. Not a jab at you, of course, but I've read a few threads about the contract, like there's no sexual harassment clause protecting her? Pardon my naivete but that part of the story is very strange.

Edited by King9999

A lot of you have no clue what the community is really like to be making these accusations. For example, did you know that the community helped out one of their own when he lost his life savings to a fire? If you were part of the community, you would know that. Sites like Giant Bomb sure as hell aren't going to report it.

All I'm saying is, don't write off an entire community because of the actions of one man. You have no right to be saying anything if you don't know the scene. And Jared Rea isn't exactly on the level.

Posted by wefwefasdf

@RagingDaemon: Perhaps you can clarify something for me, up above, you essentially say that the community should be self-regulating and not be censored, right? What exactly are you saying is censorship? Isn't a company clamping down on content it doesn't approve of just the company regulating itself based on the reaction from the community? Where is this censorship?

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@darkdragonmage99 said:

@RagingDaemon: lol I'd take that as a win when they resort to the childish put my fingers in my ears I don't hear you method of dealing with a point you know they simply don't wanna admit they are wrong.

Right on brother :D

Posted by RagingDaemon

@Hailinel said:

@RagingDaemon: Yeah, whatever. has a point. You're absurd and not worth the energy that's required to continue this debate. End of discussion.

Seems your rigid thinking has reached its limits. Go back for fun and read the things you wrote, which were absolutist statements based on a moral/ethical dogma. Then look at the examples, analogies, metaphors, etc used by me. Every step of reasoning shown so that it could be followed to logical conclusions, sometimes even backed by real world examples, even history!

I accept your admission of defeat.

Next?

Posted by darkdragonmage99
@RagingDaemon: lol I'd take that as a win when they resort to the childish put my fingers in my ears I don't hear you method of dealing with a point you know they simply don't wanna admit they are wrong. 
Posted by Hailinel

@RagingDaemon: Yeah, whatever. has a point. You're absurd and not worth the energy that's required to continue this debate. End of discussion.

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Posted by RagingDaemon

@Hailinel: These arguments get super cyclical. I just finished explaining how context always matters. If context doesn't matter, then there is no difference between a wild eyed homeless man lurching at you screaming "FUCK YOU" and your friend slapping you on the arm after you zing him saying "fuck you!".

This is where we get back to the censorship. The same attitude and argument has been used on music, films, books, etc. The market takes care of it. You don't want to attend a Chuck Palahniuk reading, you are not forced to. You don't want to listen to deep south chopped and screwed remixes of "big booty bitches", you don't have to. Especially gory movie coming out? No gun to your head to see it. Your stance of condemning their community from the outside looking in is your prerogative, your insistence they change to suite your personal moral/ethics tastes when they are not forcing themselves on anyone is censorship. They did not recruit this girl, they did not lie to her. Miscommunications happen. Jerks exist. Life is harsh. If their community/product is trash, and more and more people think like you and stop watching, attending events, etc, they will fail without trying to have the media cause such a shitstorm that SRK pulls sponsorships and seed points. So your side has already drawn blood if you didn't know.

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@Hailinel: This guy is full of crap Hailinel. I've read a bunch of his posts and he's not even part of the FGC. Not worth your time if you ask me and should be ignored.
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@RagingDaemon: As I said before, context doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he did it for the stream; his behavior was uncouth, abusive, sexist, and demeaning. The fact that you're still defending this in any capacity is ludicrous. It doesn't matter how gritty and raw the FGC is; if the community's social standards are really so out of whack with the rest of society, something obviously needs to change, or the scene will be forever dominated by idiot teenagers and socially inept manchildren.

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Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

The fact that you're willing to use crass terms like "vaginal discharge" in the discussion of this topic only serves to prove how utterly clueless you are.

Incorrect. I know exactly what I'm doing. Like I said to the internet/xbox live cop: I can't be coerced, manipulated, or guilted into speaking how you want me to speak. The best you can hope for is that you can get the mods to revoke my posting privileges on some technicality for a while. Which you should be hard pressed to do, considering the level of personal attacks and general swearing done by your side of this argument throughout both threads.

Sure you can't, but you can very easily make yourself look foolish to those that know better.

I could care less about looking foolish to your side. Same way I don't care about looking like a heathen to religious fundamentalists, or any number of other examples. The fact that there have been something like 6+ responses to me with no substance other than implying clear nonsense such as a lack of intelligence or perception on my part just reinforces the reactionary and dogmatic place you're coming from. The huge difference when I reply to this? I say true things about you guys, your methods, and your ideologies. You can't step outside of self righteous hyper offended mode. I have no problem agreeing Aris is a crass and insensitive person. All the insanity that follows, with labeling him a sociopath rapist deserving of beatings and the FGC a patriarchal anti woman racist conspiracy factory... need I elaborate?

It's very obvious that you don't care, but that attitude won't win you any points in a debate where the attitude of the FGC "not caring" is what's led to a lot of the shit that's happened over the past week.

Attitude shouldn't win me points. Salient points should win me them. Such as sussing out the extremely hostile, sometimes violent over-reactions. Reminding people of the context in which the whole scenario played out. And trying to show that a lot of the harder arguing and more vocal commenters here are basically making the same case that censor of rap, horror movies, porn, and going further back, books, etc have been making. But instead of focusing on that, the focus is somehow more on my crass aside or my attitude. Neither I, nor anyone else has said Aris is a loveable, kind, respectable, role model. We said yeah, he's crass, juvenile, a jerk, whatever. But it's not enough to look at the situation and go "hm, looks like a multifactorial and complex problem wherein stress, stream viewing pressure, miscommunication, etc all combined into...." it's easier to jump on the offended self righteous internet warrior bandwagon. And this shitstorm ensues.

The scenario in which it played out has nothing to do with it. Aris's behavior as demonstrated on Cross Assault would be considered inexcusable in any public context. And there's a difference between censorship and decorum.

The scenario has a ton to do with it. He asked/said/filmed over half the shit he did because he was playing to the people watching on stream and requesting things in the stream chat. Her seeming to play along complicates things. In the second video she walks up to the camera and shows/talks about her nails, laughs. Other people are joking/laughing. Random other dude doesn't show his feet and puts on horsehead. All of those factors interplay. It's not a video of him having her cornered alone while she cries with nothing else going on. A lot of her responses are the shit girls say to dudes who are being unwantedly flirty. "I have a boyfriend so I don't care, I'll wear sweat pants the whole rest of the show" in response to some comment about her jeans or whatever. Based on just the video, at that time, he was being a crass and pervy guy feeding off of the room, his audience, and the fact that sakura engaged with him. The bulk of the accusations came about due to a lot of behind the scenes, after the fact twitter stuff and a whole lot of internet pressure. What came later influenced how most of you saw that video in an even greater direction than it would have just by itself.

The FGC has been gritty and raw since forever. Decorum there isn't held in high regard. They have been that way "in public context" since inception. They and their streams are not forced on anyone. People choose to participate willingly, without being deceived about it or its nature. It's no different from seeing an insult comic who gets specials aired on national/international tv. There are consequences to actions but those consequences should come from the relationships with sponsors and the core community, not the weight of trumped up and drama filled news stories crashing down.

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@ScoutGhst said:

"Good job, Kor... Hopefully, she's crying in the restroom".... Aris's last words on the video above. If there was any doubt of Aris's intentions as he was "coaching" SuperYan, that should clear it up. Steve, Bronson, and 200Yen were allowed to practice in (relative) peace during the time that Aris's attentions were focused on SuperYan, but she was distracted and pestered the entire time she should have been working on her game skills. Kor was less fortunate due to his proximity to SuperYan... but apparently he managed to do a good job anyway. Aris used his position of authority as leverage against her while she was under contract and could not talk back, fight back, or leave.

Sherry "Cherry" with an "S" Jennings was not there in the room with Aris and didn't see or hear what the rest of the world saw since she was cloistered in the Team Street Fighter room with a *real coach*. I would not lend her credibility on this subject.

And.... Please remember that it was Aris who brought the entire FGC into this harassment issue, in a feeble attempt to defend himself. SuperYan never, *ever* mentioned the FGC community at large.... the community she's embraced for years and had become accustomed to and loved... warts and all.

It's Jenix good sir, not Jennings. Try to get the name's right while trying to prove your point to avoid confusion with others who'll read your post and don't often watch FGC streams. I reckon you didn't watch the streams often as well since you got the name wrong but that's fine it's an honest mistake. :)

It's better that we no longer dwell on the subject since it's been beaten to death already on so many forums. Everyone has made their statements. All we can do now as a community is to learn from it and improve ourselves for the sake of the community.

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@RagingDaemon said:

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Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

The fact that you're willing to use crass terms like "vaginal discharge" in the discussion of this topic only serves to prove how utterly clueless you are.

Incorrect. I know exactly what I'm doing. Like I said to the internet/xbox live cop: I can't be coerced, manipulated, or guilted into speaking how you want me to speak. The best you can hope for is that you can get the mods to revoke my posting privileges on some technicality for a while. Which you should be hard pressed to do, considering the level of personal attacks and general swearing done by your side of this argument throughout both threads.

Sure you can't, but you can very easily make yourself look foolish to those that know better.

I could care less about looking foolish to your side. Same way I don't care about looking like a heathen to religious fundamentalists, or any number of other examples. The fact that there have been something like 6+ responses to me with no substance other than implying clear nonsense such as a lack of intelligence or perception on my part just reinforces the reactionary and dogmatic place you're coming from. The huge difference when I reply to this? I say true things about you guys, your methods, and your ideologies. You can't step outside of self righteous hyper offended mode. I have no problem agreeing Aris is a crass and insensitive person. All the insanity that follows, with labeling him a sociopath rapist deserving of beatings and the FGC a patriarchal anti woman racist conspiracy factory... need I elaborate?

It's very obvious that you don't care, but that attitude won't win you any points in a debate where the attitude of the FGC "not caring" is what's led to a lot of the shit that's happened over the past week.

Attitude shouldn't win me points. Salient points should win me them. Such as sussing out the extremely hostile, sometimes violent over-reactions. Reminding people of the context in which the whole scenario played out. And trying to show that a lot of the harder arguing and more vocal commenters here are basically making the same case that censor of rap, horror movies, porn, and going further back, books, etc have been making. But instead of focusing on that, the focus is somehow more on my crass aside or my attitude. Neither I, nor anyone else has said Aris is a loveable, kind, respectable, role model. We said yeah, he's crass, juvenile, a jerk, whatever. But it's not enough to look at the situation and go "hm, looks like a multifactorial and complex problem wherein stress, stream viewing pressure, miscommunication, etc all combined into...." it's easier to jump on the offended self righteous internet warrior bandwagon. And this shitstorm ensues.

The scenario in which it played out has nothing to do with it. Aris's behavior as demonstrated on Cross Assault would be considered inexcusable in any public context. And there's a difference between censorship and decorum.

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@Hailinel said:

@RagingDaemon said:

@Hailinel said:

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@Hailinel said:

@RagingDaemon said:

@DesertDog said:

Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

The fact that you're willing to use crass terms like "vaginal discharge" in the discussion of this topic only serves to prove how utterly clueless you are.

Incorrect. I know exactly what I'm doing. Like I said to the internet/xbox live cop: I can't be coerced, manipulated, or guilted into speaking how you want me to speak. The best you can hope for is that you can get the mods to revoke my posting privileges on some technicality for a while. Which you should be hard pressed to do, considering the level of personal attacks and general swearing done by your side of this argument throughout both threads.

Sure you can't, but you can very easily make yourself look foolish to those that know better.

I could care less about looking foolish to your side. Same way I don't care about looking like a heathen to religious fundamentalists, or any number of other examples. The fact that there have been something like 6+ responses to me with no substance other than implying clear nonsense such as a lack of intelligence or perception on my part just reinforces the reactionary and dogmatic place you're coming from. The huge difference when I reply to this? I say true things about you guys, your methods, and your ideologies. You can't step outside of self righteous hyper offended mode. I have no problem agreeing Aris is a crass and insensitive person. All the insanity that follows, with labeling him a sociopath rapist deserving of beatings and the FGC a patriarchal anti woman racist conspiracy factory... need I elaborate?

It's very obvious that you don't care, but that attitude won't win you any points in a debate where the attitude of the FGC "not caring" is what's led to a lot of the shit that's happened over the past week.

Attitude shouldn't win me points. Salient points should win me them. Such as sussing out the extremely hostile, sometimes violent over-reactions. Reminding people of the context in which the whole scenario played out. And trying to show that a lot of the harder arguing and more vocal commenters here are basically making the same case that censor of rap, horror movies, porn, and going further back, books, etc have been making. But instead of focusing on that, the focus is somehow more on my crass aside or my attitude. Neither I, nor anyone else has said Aris is a loveable, kind, respectable, role model. We said yeah, he's crass, juvenile, a jerk, whatever. But it's not enough to look at the situation and go "hm, looks like a multifactorial and complex problem wherein stress, stream viewing pressure, miscommunication, etc all combined into...." it's easier to jump on the offended self righteous internet warrior bandwagon. And this shitstorm ensues.

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@RagingDaemon said:

@Hailinel said:

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@Hailinel said:

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@DesertDog said:

Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

The fact that you're willing to use crass terms like "vaginal discharge" in the discussion of this topic only serves to prove how utterly clueless you are.

Incorrect. I know exactly what I'm doing. Like I said to the internet/xbox live cop: I can't be coerced, manipulated, or guilted into speaking how you want me to speak. The best you can hope for is that you can get the mods to revoke my posting privileges on some technicality for a while. Which you should be hard pressed to do, considering the level of personal attacks and general swearing done by your side of this argument throughout both threads.

Sure you can't, but you can very easily make yourself look foolish to those that know better.

I could care less about looking foolish to your side. Same way I don't care about looking like a heathen to religious fundamentalists, or any number of other examples. The fact that there have been something like 6+ responses to me with no substance other than implying clear nonsense such as a lack of intelligence or perception on my part just reinforces the reactionary and dogmatic place you're coming from. The huge difference when I reply to this? I say true things about you guys, your methods, and your ideologies. You can't step outside of self righteous hyper offended mode. I have no problem agreeing Aris is a crass and insensitive person. All the insanity that follows, with labeling him a sociopath rapist deserving of beatings and the FGC a patriarchal anti woman racist conspiracy factory... need I elaborate?

It's very obvious that you don't care, but that attitude won't win you any points in a debate where the attitude of the FGC "not caring" is what's led to a lot of the shit that's happened over the past week.

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@Hailinel said:

@RagingDaemon said:

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@DesertDog said:

Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

The fact that you're willing to use crass terms like "vaginal discharge" in the discussion of this topic only serves to prove how utterly clueless you are.

Incorrect. I know exactly what I'm doing. Like I said to the internet/xbox live cop: I can't be coerced, manipulated, or guilted into speaking how you want me to speak. The best you can hope for is that you can get the mods to revoke my posting privileges on some technicality for a while. Which you should be hard pressed to do, considering the level of personal attacks and general swearing done by your side of this argument throughout both threads.

Sure you can't, but you can very easily make yourself look foolish to those that know better.

I could care less about looking foolish to your side. Same way I don't care about looking like a heathen to religious fundamentalists, or any number of other examples. The fact that there have been something like 6+ responses to me with no substance other than implying clear nonsense such as a lack of intelligence or perception on my part just reinforces the reactionary and dogmatic place you're coming from. The huge difference when I reply to this? I say true things about you guys, your methods, and your ideologies. You can't step outside of self righteous hyper offended mode. I have no problem agreeing Aris is a crass and insensitive person. All the insanity that follows, with labeling him a sociopath rapist deserving of beatings and the FGC a patriarchal anti woman racist conspiracy factory... need I elaborate?

Posted by Hailinel

@RagingDaemon said:

@Hailinel said:

@RagingDaemon said:

@DesertDog said:

Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

The fact that you're willing to use crass terms like "vaginal discharge" in the discussion of this topic only serves to prove how utterly clueless you are.

Incorrect. I know exactly what I'm doing. Like I said to the internet/xbox live cop: I can't be coerced, manipulated, or guilted into speaking how you want me to speak. The best you can hope for is that you can get the mods to revoke my posting privileges on some technicality for a while. Which you should be hard pressed to do, considering the level of personal attacks and general swearing done by your side of this argument throughout both threads.

Sure you can't, but you can very easily make yourself look foolish to those that know better.

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@Hailinel said:

@RagingDaemon said:

@DesertDog said:

Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

The fact that you're willing to use crass terms like "vaginal discharge" in the discussion of this topic only serves to prove how utterly clueless you are.

Incorrect. I know exactly what I'm doing. Like I said to the internet/xbox live cop: I can't be coerced, manipulated, or guilted into speaking how you want me to speak. The best you can hope for is that you can get the mods to revoke my posting privileges on some technicality for a while. Which you should be hard pressed to do, considering the level of personal attacks and general swearing done by your side of this argument throughout both threads.

Posted by Hailinel

@RagingDaemon said:

@DesertDog said:

Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

The fact that you're willing to use crass terms like "vaginal discharge" in the discussion of this topic only serves to prove how utterly clueless you are.

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@DesertDog said:

I'll only respond to the last part of your post because I don't really have to argue how much of a sexist and racist piece of human waste you are as you made that pretty self evident.

What you did do was make a mistake of saying factually incorrect things such as

@RagingDaemon said:

It's why she basically did an "oops, nevermind" after this media fueled shit started hitting the fan.

No she did not. She's blaming him fully for the entire thing and has repeatedly said that he was the only reason for her dilemma and that she was crying for the entire day prior to leaving. Her quote "I was so appalled at what Aris said on the 5th night that I could not stop crying, the next day I made the decision to leave because of it." http://www.twitlonger.com/show/g7543k

@RagingDaemon said:

And if she wasn't a female, and cute, this wouldn't have been as newsworthy. As mentioned, Aris has previously undressed/smelled a dude live. No one cared. No one flew into a rabid righteous fervor.

No that's only your opinion. Aris's actions were unacceptable in all contexts at all times towards all people. Male or female. I would have cared! So, yeah, keep on telling yourself that to make yourself feel better. People do care when it happens to guys too. I care when it happens to my nephew when he comes over to play. I care about it when it happens to many of my male friends on Xbox Live. You are incorrect in assuming most people don't care. YOU DON'T CARE.

I have protected male, female, gay, straight, and anybody else that didn't appreciate comments like those. I do say things when the same comments are given to my gay British friend on Xbox Live. You're projecting your own thoughts into this. You're the worst there is. You fill yourself with the idea that nobody would care if this was a male because you don't care. You're the problem.

Nobody thinks that way only you. People weren't up in arms about it sooner because it wasn't exposed sooner.

If you knew about this behavior by Aris or any others in the FGC sooner then you could have written a freelance article and told the rest of the gaming community about it... But you didn't everyone else did.

As it stands you're a big part of the problem for defending it. And you're an even bigger part of the problem if you knew about it before this blew up two days ago and didn't tell anybody.

From my basic explanation of how context and language works in the real world, you got racism? Interesting logical leaps.

As for the rest, at least you're somewhat consistent with your views. Unlike the other hypocrite who was tossing around one stereotype while condemning another.

Most people don't care. Tell ten strangers on the street that a man insulted a woman on a shitty video game reality tv show. The ones who stick around to even listen to the end of your story will be like "whatever". A large portion of the ones getting beyond outraged, here, at kotaku, etc, are doing it for social points, to fit in and be seen as enlightened and aware modern humans. And/or white knighting. Have you looked at the reactions of some of these people? Labeling Aris a sociopath, a potential rapist, advocating blameless physical violence against him? It's turning an anthill into mount Everest.

I wouldn't have exposed it because there's nothing to expose. There is no "problem". It's a culture that can get rowdy, and/or crass. If you can't handle it, don't participate. Kind of like rap music or horror movies or porn. If you can't deal, don't consume. Your kind would rather censor and control people though. You think your moral and ethical judgement against me mean anything? I can't be guilted, shamed, or manipulated to capitulate to the demands of people like you.

There is real psychological bullying, physical bullying, and then there are weak people who have been taught by this society to be victims because wannabe heroes like you will rush to defend them on xbox live or the internet. When there's an incentive to be offended, people will be offended.

You're not making a difference by playing internet cop, you don't deserve any sort of commendation. You would do more by donating one day at a homeless shelter than defending a billion cry baby girls online. And if you already do, spend more time doing that than playing xbox live police.

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@DesertDog said:

Swing-n-a-miss! Wow, you could not be a bigger part of the problem unless you were Aris himself. Thanks for contributing.

You didn't address any of my points with that comment. You just wrote some vaginal discharge in text form.

Posted by YukoAsho

@Phished0ne said:

@YukoAsho: My bad, totally missed that. I just know what i had heard from interviews with people that were there.

Happens. There's a lot of fucking voices screaming really loud in regards to this topic, so it's easy to miss things.

Posted by ScoutGhst

"Good job, Kor... Hopefully, she's crying in the restroom".... Aris's last words on the video above. If there was any doubt of Aris's intentions as he was "coaching" SuperYan, that should clear it up. Steve, Bronson, and 200Yen were allowed to practice in (relative) peace during the time that Aris's attentions were focused on SuperYan, but she was distracted and pestered the entire time she should have been working on her game skills. Kor was less fortunate due to his proximity to SuperYan... but apparently he managed to do a good job anyway. Aris used his position of authority as leverage against her while she was under contract and could not talk back, fight back, or leave.

Sherry "Cherry" with an "S" Jennings was not there in the room with Aris and didn't see or hear what the rest of the world saw since she was cloistered in the Team Street Fighter room with a *real coach*. I would not lend her credibility on this subject.

And.... Please remember that it was Aris who brought the entire FGC into this harassment issue, in a feeble attempt to defend himself. SuperYan never, *ever* mentioned the FGC community at large.... the community she's embraced for years and had become accustomed to and loved... warts and all.

Posted by psylah
@Gordo789 said:

"In short: my coach was a jerk, he doesn't represent the entire community. I'm not ever leaving. See you at NCR"

I think Miranda said it best herself.

I agree, If he hadn't foisted all the blame on the community, they wouldn't be put in such a precarious situation. Next time, he should just man up and admit he was wrong.
Posted by Gordo789

"In short: my coach was a jerk, he doesn't represent the entire community. I'm not ever leaving. See you at NCR"

I think Miranda said it best herself.

Posted by psylah

From what I've been seeing making the rounds, Aris is heavily at fault for this. His behavior was reprehensible. His dismissal of his behavior by saying "that's the way it is" and it's integral to the fighting game community was effectively him throwing the blame off of him. The responses I've seen to Jared's role in the situation shows the FGC blaming him for throwing open the doors to shed light on the immaturity of their actions, and even resorting to even more childish name-calling. They dig their hole even deeper.
 
The issue here was not that Jared brought it to light, but the fact that the FGC did not take the insulting and alienating of outsiders seriously. The WNF debacle proved that, and they paid the price.
 
It's a literal shame that a Community Manager, who ideally wants anyone and everyone to enjoy the fun and excitement of fighting games, is being lambasted for his efforts.
 
The FGC does not belong to YOU. It belongs to all of us.