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Posted by unholyone123

@AV_Gamer said:

@ZombiePie said:

Spooky...

Holy balls in a bear trap...you're right

Posted by TruthTellah

@Vlad_Tiberius: The video I was referring to is from this week, and it has nothing to do with the GameSpot ordeal. It's about "honest journalism" in general and complaints such as yours. You should look it up and go to that spot in the video that I referred to. :)

Posted by Lauriboy

Couple of years ago I used to listen the Gamespot podcast (with Brendan Someone and Tom Can'tremember), but I had to stop subscribing because I thought they were mean to their listeners and didn't like games very much.

Which turned out fine, since I found your podcast instead. But just try to steer clear of the the gamespot podcast crew: their hatred towards games and gamers could rub off on you.

Love you guys, always be testing keep it real!

Posted by Vlad_Tiberius

@TruthTellah: I know, dude, I got it the first time, but I was talking about the freedom of OPINION, about which I think is one step above freedom of speech. Thank you for the heads-up on that show, although, again, that incident doesn't matter to me anymore, because there where other incidents, far bigger and more awful than that one that made me feel disgusted with this industry and all its "honest"people. But that doesn't mean that I despise or hate the guy; no, on the contrary, I just think that he's a funny, intelligent journalist that loves games in his own quirky way (like everybody else I guess), but I don't trust his innocence in all this and I've presented my reasons a while ago, therefore I'm not gonna repeat myself. Sure, I enjoy his jokes, sarcasm, the funny discussions about food and other shit and the unique and pleasurable atmosphere on their bombcasts, but that doesn't mean I trust him with my money (figuratively speaking) when buying a game.

Some of us know first-hand while others can only imagine the power of EA or Activision's marketing guys, the invisible strings that they pull, the major retailers' moves in this industry. When you're pumping a lot of cash into PR, marketing and the production and expect to receive millions in profit, you must be an idiot to allow yourself to be hampered by poor reviews and romantic shit like "honest" "stand-up straight journalism" and all that bullshit. And you must be a bigger idiot to believe and fall for such things, especially in an industry that invented the DLC, for fuck sakes! How many "journalists" have you heard tackling this sensitive subject and from a customer standpoint at least? NONE ! What do you hear instead? "Speak with your wallet". Yeah, do that in the single industry that still hasn't an independent regulating organism, an institution that could properly save the costumers from being ripped off or taken advantage by these big corporations, like in other, more serious industries. For example, if you get poisoned from a product, you don't"speak with your wallet", but a certain government consumer protective agency speaks for you. You get to court and then those big companies "speak with their wallets" to you, if you get what I'm saying.

But you don't see that in the videogame industry because it's the entertaining business- you don't need any rules! Yeah, it's like the Old West here.

But hey, it's videogames: it's all about having fun, awesome times, yeaah! Who cares that you're getting ripped off by everybody. Who cares that these shysters don't get to pay taxes because they took their liberty and put Obama ads in your fuckin' racing game, for example! Who cares that the media, the retailers and the publishers are shaking their hands and counting bills behind your back, laughing their ass off at you gullible idiot. You're here to pay and have fun, to talk about serious enlightening subjects like the nature of FPS, the western vs. eastern RPG philosophies, the achievements, the cyberpunk style in a certain game, the humor in a game, the voice quality and authenticity or the ending of a game, instead of "simple", "petty" subjects or questions like "who the fuck did bring that DLC shit in this business?" or "why the press didn't say anything about it and allowed it to become the norm in the biz?", "is there a logical reason for region-locking content and the separate zones crap?", "what about the recent online pass thing that slipped away from the media's scrutiny , just like the DLC shit?", "what about the console exclusivity content deals that are discriminating customers?", "what about the retail exclusive content that's also discriminating customers" , "region specific DLC ", "specific pre-order content", "false advertising" and many others. Naaah, not a sound about that.

I know a national TV program (bare in mind: national, not private!) that ceased being broadcasted just because a certain publisher that claims it's into electronic arts didn't like a review about a certain racing/ sports or dating sim game ( can't remember exactly which game was) on a show about electronics and gadgets in general, not videogames in specific.

No, let's talk instead about the ending of Mass Effect 3 and what we ate for lunch, because we don't wanna bite the hand that feeds us and we want to keep the fucking system going, right?

But hey, when you see only black zombies in game which has its story set in Africa nonetheless, some generous anime cleavage and some sexual innuendos in a J-RPG, some blood and gore and some f-bombs and racial slurs in a certain game, then all the media goes up in arms about it, "protecting" our innocence" and all that bullshit! Oh, the hypocrisy..

And , after sharing all this (and there is more of it), you're asking me to trust some guy that's been since the beginning in this biz that he refused some bribe because he just "loves" videogames and is recognized by his fellow "journalists" as a stand-up , nice , funny guy and a "professional"?! Yeah, like that would matter a lot to change all of the above!

But thank you for answering in a civilized manner!

End of huge rant and , hopefully, end of this old stupid "honest journalism" subject.

Edited by Still_I_Cry

I wish I could say that every game journalist was bought off. I wonder how one acquires such extensive knowledge regarding the journalists' salaries..

Edited by TruthTellah

@Vlad_Tiberius: I agree that along with people being able to insult you, you also have the capability to defend yourself as such. Though, none of that has anything to do with what freedom of speech means as an inherent human right. That's all I'm saying. Freedom of speech doesn't entitle you to having your words listened to or not insulted. It just means you have the right to say things, but that's pretty much it. If someone insults you, you can respond as you like. I certainly wouldn't hold it against someone to defend themselves.

It's unfortunate that you're not a subscriber, as the latest "Hot Jars Forever! - 03/19/2012" video posted this week by Jeff directly addresses your concerns here as far as videogame reviewer objectivity. The relevant question is asked 1h 9min into the video. You can try to Google the title of the video to find it if you like; I know some sites link to it. I encourage you to instead become a subscriber to support the guys, but hey, if not, it's cool. Just check out the video if you have a chance; I think Jeff explains their stance on it pretty well. :)

Posted by Vlad_Tiberius

@Milkman said:

@Vlad_Tiberius: Take your meds, idiot.

Can't. You took them all, genius.

Posted by Vlad_Tiberius

@TruthTellah: Freedom of opinion, dude. How can somebody insult somebody else for having a different opinion on a matter that has not been cleared or settled in any way? Have I ever insulted anybody that expressed himself differently on that matter or any other matter? I thought this community was more mature and cerebral, open for real and clever discussions and one that's beyond childish name-calling and kindergarten insults under the guise of the anonymity which internet provides just because someone disagrees with an opinion.

We can discuss things civilized, but not by insulting each other and other offensive crap. I don't stand this kind of behavior, even if it's the internet. Again, I'm all for civilized and interesting arguments, I can admit when I'm wrong if you bring a strong argument, but I will not stand and be insulted by some idiot that doesn't even bring any worthy arguments.

If the moderator or the community doesn't punish that kind of behavior, I feel entitled to defend myself in any way.

Take Milkman- the case in point.

We all can like or dislike certain games, publishers or journalists and their views, we all can have different opinions about them and we all can agree to disagree. That's the beauty of the freedom of opinion and people have died for that right. If you can't respect that fact, then get fucked!

Have a good one!

Edited by TruthTellah

I think many people may not realize what the inherent right of freedom of speech means anymore.

It's the right for you to express yourself, not for anyone to care about what you say, respect what you say, listen to what you say, or refrain from calling you an idiot for what you say.

People are expressing their own freedom of speech to say your speech is stupid and/or offensive. Expressing the idea that someone may be doing damage with their speech isn't to suggest that a government take away their ability to speak; instead, it serves to point out that a lot of speech is stupid or horrible. If a government comes to remove your ability to express yourself, shout freedom of speech. But if someone calls you on being an idiot for what you say, freedom of speech has nothing to do with it.

Posted by Milkman

@Vlad_Tiberius: Take your meds, idiot.

Edited by Vlad_Tiberius

@I_smell: Hey idiot - you do get news coverage, don't you? News, previews, exclusive interviews, quick looks, some special people invited on the podcast, podcasts promoting a product and all that shit? You pay them by visiting them and creating internet traffic, besides the paid membership perks, like 99 % of other websites, you fucking moron! They don't get ads like you get on GameSpot, IGN, Gametrailers because they're not as mainstream as those sites and because GB is more community driven.

And those events are the same for anybody- it's not like there are thousands of videogame dedicated events happening at the same time on daily basis. There are big events like E3, PAX, GDC, there are smaller ones and some invitation-based press events created by a publisher to promote either a single title or a new lineup of future titles, where it's all hush-hush, embargo shit and where, if they're known or if they managed to pull some strings, they get there to give you coverage.

You bring news, write articles or discuss stuff that is good and interesting enough to attract visitors- you get paid! That's the whole business! And they're competing with others for coverage, like getting an exclusive interview with somebody, or an exclusive preview of some product, because that's the crux of beating other similar websites, plus offering different or repackaged articles according to the taste of their core audience or to attract new audiences! These are the basics of the business. I hope you don't want me to explain you how every basic shit in this life works, because I see that you're a bright fellow since you managed to learn how to breathe..and now to even smell! Congratulations!

And, again, for the last time: that was MY opinion on that incident, which is dead to me to care about it anymore! How dare you challenge and even insult me for having a different opinion, when nothing has been cleared and proven, you piece of shit?! Believe what you want, have your own opinion, but don't insult me for having a different opinion than you, you fucking sheep! Freedom of speech and opinion...those things ring a bell for you, Nazi?

But hey, anybody could sell you used toilet paper, the love of your family and even the air you breathe, because this business thrives on gullible consumerist imbecile kiss-ass fanatics like you.

Now, get the fuck off my case and be gone, you blithering idiot, and stop bothering me again with your stupid shit!

Oh, and I_smell..smell my fuckin' fart as you go!

Posted by Cheesebob

Man talk about MASSIVE WALLS OF TEXT on the previous page

Posted by Otacon

What the?! I'm away for a week and crazy shit goes down! Honestly though guys if this is the evolution of GB and there's no change in the amount of crazy business I'm in! Happy for you guys.

Posted by I_smell

If they were that desperate for money they wouldn't be ignoring the 200 sports games that come out every year you fucking bonehead.

Edited by I_smell
@Vlad_Tiberius
A) I dont get ads on GiantBomb.
B) You can't buy a Quick Look. Or an Endurance Run, or anything.
C) Everyone knows each other cos they all go to the same press events and stay at the same bars and hotels you fucking dope.
And the GiantBomb guys are friends with the Trenched guys, but that got 3 stars.

You've connected too many dots and jumped to too many conclusions.
Posted by Zero_

@binarypie said:

Welcome guys!

Hi, who are you?

Posted by binarypie

Welcome guys!

Posted by CyleMoore

Glad I finally got to watch this.

Edited by Vlad_Tiberius

@Xeiphyer: Sorry, but I was under the impression that you were trying so passionately to protect these guys and their credibility. I was just trying to remind you the basic things. Must've been a wrong impression, so excuse me.

Again, I was just saying my opinion on the incident, and,frankly, I don't give a shit. I remember reading about this issue somewhere and made some logical connections, therefore I didn't spend time searching for dirt like you did, gathering information, because I didn't give a rat's ass about it. This incident just proves that there is bullshit even here, in an industry that some folks think it addresses the kids.

But I don't know why you seem so confident that things went this way. Why? Because some guys on the internet said so and he confirmed? Is that a strong argument to you? And what are those "clearly documented" arguments that you talk about? Come on, if somebody could've or, more importantly, wanted to prove something, this thing would have been finished long time ago. All you got is suppositions,opinions and half truths. But again, it really doesn't matter anymore.

And don't act like you didn't understand what I was implying, ok? By having relations and strong ties in the industry can also mean they are not as impartial as some may think and this brings them certain benefits. That's why I gave that Schafer example-because that guy doesn't go to people he doesn't know, that could criticize him or make him look bad.

That's why I said everybody knows everybody and they're friends- because they work hand in hand. Because in real journalism you have people conducting campaigns, inquiries, challenging and criticizing certain policies or conducts, people with different opinions arguing. But here- everybody's backing everybody: I promote your publication , you promote my product, one hand washes the other and so on. And don't tell me you didn't knew that ...

I partially agree with the indie sites "kissing up" argument, but here the exposure matters the most. Usually, a big corporation doesn't even look, let alone need some niche , small site to give them exposure. They go to the big fish, the big mainstream outlets 'cause that's were the majority of people look for info. Why bother with some small, unknown , basement outlet?

I already said and I agree with checking out multiple opinions reviews. That's the basic thing. And also to be mindful of the tone of the review, the way it treats the product and so on. But that's a matter of taste, here, so it's highly subjective.

Again with the incident: so what the editorial staff quit? GameSpot still functioned and is still functioning as we speak, whether they lost a type of audience or gained a new one

Big deal- we've all seen major editorial staff quitting news outlets because the management refused to publish an article that criticized business associates or contributors or certain political figures. So? Nothing has changed. Also, Fox News and MSNBC are still broadcasting, right?

Did Rupert Murdoch lose anything with the phone hacking scandal? Come on..

What is credibility worth? Crap. Audience, sales, adverts..that's what matters. Credibility is something subjective.

Bottom line is that if you really cared and had the balls, you would have gone out in public, saying exactly who, how, where and when everything happened, without having to resort to a fuc*king soap opera scene remembering good ol' times at GameSpot and how cool it was prior to the incident. No, you should have ended that shit the next day. That is if you weren't afraid that some other, probably more ugly shit would come to the surface and sink other dudes and/or companies as well. Or not. Who the fuck knows?!

And, upon seeing the way it ended surprisingly hush-hush, like a fart in the storm, one can also presume a lot of other things.What if that shit became public precisely because it went wrong and because not everyone involved was properly"buttered up"? That's why I said is the norm in the business. But that's my opinion about it.

What I don't understand is why people need to take sides and act as defenders of the guy, when nothing courageous has been said or done about it. One thing is to refuse the bribe, to grab your toys and walk away in silence and a whole other thing is to bring the entire deal to the light for the public to see these practices in all their "splendor", making a big fuss about it, naming names, the exact value of the bribe, bringing witnesses and all that jazz. I, for one, would have expected to see all that if he's claiming to be a righteous, professional guy with strong principles. And no doubt he would've acted that way if the biz was indeed clean and that incident only an isolated one.That's why I stand by my assumption that the biz is corrupted.

And no, it's not a conspiracy, just an opinion. Why can't you admit corruption as something normal in this biz, when on more important, crucial aspects of our lives it has been proven time and time again that it IS the norm? Is it because they don't outright tell you how it really is? Do you need that kind of confirmation, for them to spell it out for you?

Why are you under the assumption that the videogame industry is something cleaner, with higher principles and that is way above practices of other industries? Look at pharmaceutical industry with Pfizer scandals; look at the oil business . Look and the Rupert Murdoch "News of the World" I mentioned above. Just because it's about entertainment doesn't mean it's all shinny and bright. Corruption is so widespread and so complex that is out of the ordinary for someone NOT to be corrupt. Don't you read the papers? Don't you watch the news? Don't you work and live in this society?

And I don't give a shit about your Obama and all that conspiracy theories crap you might think I promote. You assume too much..and poorly. And don't act superior avoiding the subject, ok? See, I made some wrong assumptions about what you've said and I apologize for that, but you also went really idiotic with some of your assumptions as well.

Did I ask you to tell me what happened between CBSi and GB? What, do you want me to celebrate and open a bottle of champagne? It's just business as usual. Today is CBS, tomorrow is back to flippin' burgers, recording in a basement or garage or acting PR for some studio somewhere...Who gives a fuck!? Have you seen me fearing that they might be going PG, all nice and censored? And what if they actually do that? How can I or somebody else change it? It's like I said: they need to put food on the table.

I don't care about their revenue, advertisements and their fanbase. I don't work in the games industry and I don't look forward to, but what I do know is from a buddy of mine that works. Again, dude, you're assuming that I care about all that.

All I care about is that they don't lose their humor on the Bombcast. And even if that happens, I'll go somewhere else for my humorous chatter about games and life. Big fucking deal.

That's it- I've had enough of this stupid old subject that doesn't even matter anymore.

Take care.

Posted by Xeiphyer
@Vlad_Tiberius said:

@Xeiphyer: Dude, grow up, pull off your rose-tinted glasses, take a good look around you and get this through your brain: EACH and EVERYBODY in this so-called "media"/ "journalism" is, more or less, on the take, ok? EVERYBODY!

Why? Because that's the nature of the business and they can't survive otherwise. Don't you see that everybody knows everybody and everyone is connected to everybody in this business, whether it's PR, publisher, developer or "journalist"? Do you think all these relations happened just like that? These people work in this biz, they're meeting people, they know all the inside stuff, they know how the market will evolve, they know which are the players that need to get their product pushed. It's all about the money, advertising and propaganda for f*ck sakes! Hey, why don't you invite Schafer and see if he bothers to even respond to you.

Here's the business circle: these dudes make a website and put out ad space for sale ---->the companies/publishers/retailers offer to buy that space for exposure/advertising---->me , you and other sheep visit the site for gaming info and thus get to know about those products of those publishers/ the retailers and such----->the"media" dudes get revenue because of our traffic on their site. Easy as that,with the kindergarten level of explaining just for you to understand.

Again, I don't blame anyone for this, because this is the biz and that's is life and we aIl have to eat,ok?

On the other hand, sure, I like these guys, and I enjoy their humor, their Bombcast and the quick looks, but that doesn't mean I trust them with my hard-earned money when I'm buying games and all the propagnada crap they sometimes pull, especially when they invite certain company guys that have plug their shit to us.

Now, MY opinion on that Gerstmann - Kane & Lynch - GameSpot crap is that the company guys got cheap and bypassed Jeff and the money reached somebody else with higher power at GameSpot - a simple misunderstanding, while all the drama that went afterwards was just for show to rebuild their credibility as a a gaming website. The real important thing is that deals like that are the norm and happen on daily bases on every media outlet, especially on mainstream ones that also have the habit of selling their ad space along with favorable reviews for a better future business relationship, meaning exclusive interviews, previews and all that shinny propaganda we all love to swallow from these "journalists".

Also, mind you that the business was different back then when this incident happened, reviews mattered more, there were fewer gaming websites, compared to now, when a certain dude's opinion or a certain website's review on a game is worth like a drop of water in an ocean.

Sure, back then, when I was a kid, I used to consider GameSpot or IGN's review scores crucial when buying games, simply because there weren't so many "professional"opinions on the market. But nowadays there are hundreds of websites, the exposure is immense. Plus I, like many others, grew my own tastes in gaming since then.

I know it may sound cynical, but my advice is to get over the "righteous", "honest" and "unbiased" journalism bullshit (such romantic terms don't exist when it's a business and you're paid to do it!) and enjoy their jokes, their banter on everyday crap on their podcasts. That's why I've listened to them since almost the beginning of GB!

But hey, when it comes to games, look for more than one opinion, look on independent underground reviews and opinions when you want to get more honest opinions or reviews for games, especially for the ones you look forward to buy and you're not 100% sure.

In short, don't idolize these guys and their opinions by painting them incorruptible heroes, gaming prophets and savants or shit like that. Just treat them as they are, like regular people with their own opinions, problems, bills and families to feed, and appreciate them for their humor. That's it. I'm out.

First of all: 

WHAAAAAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!


You're responding to some opinion that I don't have, that you seem to have made up at some point. 
 
Secondly, I understand the fucking business cycle. No fucking shit, advertisements make money? REALLY? Crazy, you must have some insider tips!
 
As far as the incident goes, its clearly documented by people on the internet as far as what happened, and was confirmed by Jeff without mentioning the person by name, so you're free to imagine the conspiracy as much as you like, just don't forget your tinfoil hat. That goes double for your other conspiracy theories.
 
I'm not sure who you think you're talking to, or what about, but you're clearly very confused or in some way lacking in mental faculties.  
 

Why? Because that's the nature of the business and they can't survive otherwise. Don't you see that everybody knows everybody and everyone is connected to everybody in this business, whether it's PR, publisher, developer or "journalist"? Do you think all these relations happened just like that? These people work in this biz, they're meeting people, they know all the inside stuff, they know how the market will evolve, they know which are the players that need to get their product pushed. It's all about the money, advertising and propaganda for f*ck sakes! 

WHAT? People talk to each other in the same industry? People network?! WHAT? I had no idea. People get PAID to do their JOB?!?!!?! Where did this entire paragraph even come from?
 

Hey, why don't you invite Schafer and see if he bothers to even respond to you.

Uhhhh, what the fuck are you talking about?! Why would I care? Why does it matter? How is this in any way relevant to anything?
 

Here's the business circle: these dudes make a website and put out ad space for sale ---->the companies/publishers/retailers offer to buy that space for exposure/advertising---->me , you and other sheep visit the site for gaming info and thus get to know about those products of those publishers/ the retailers and such----->the"media" dudes get revenue because of our traffic on their site. Easy as that,with the kindergarten level of explaining just for you to understand.

Any idiot knows and understands how the business works, clearly. Not sure why you felt the need to explain this to me, or maybe you just discovered it yourself and had to tell somebody? I'll come back to this part in a minute when I explain some common sense to you.
 

I know it may sound cynical, but my advice is to get over the "righteous", "honest" and "unbiased" journalism bullshit (such romantic terms don't exist when it's a business and you're paid to do it!) and enjoy their jokes, their banter on everyday crap on their podcasts. That's why I've listened to them since almost the beginning of GB!

You put words in quotes as if I said them, which I never have and never will, so that's pretty cool too. Are you familiar with the idea of a strawman argument? Google it, i'll wait. Done? Okay. That's what your entire post is. You trying to make up a fake argument for me so that you can rebuttal it with flawed 'logic', baseless claims, and your opinion.
 

But hey, when it comes to games, look for more than one opinion, look on independent underground reviews and opinions when you want to get more honest opinions or reviews for games, especially for the ones you look forward to buy and you're not 100% sure.

Not to get away from my main theme of explaining why you're speaking complete fucking nonsense, but actually indie review sites are a lot worse. Large gaming sites have accountability with their reviews, small indie sites don't. Plus they are all trying to butter up publishers with favourable review scores in order to get free review copies of games. So, that's actually bad advice to give and to follow. The correct advice is to check multiple sources and reviewers you trust and are familiar with their tastes. 10/10 from some nameless fuck means nothing to me, I don't know if he worked on the game, or wants a free copy of their next game, or whatever.
 

In short, don't idolize these guys and their opinions by painting them incorruptible heroes, gaming prophets and savants or shit like that. Just treat them as they are, like regular people with their own opinions, problems, bills and families to feed, and appreciate them for their humor. That's it. I'm out.

Again, what the fuck are you talking about? Feel free to quote me when I described them as "incorruptible heroes".
 

Now, MY opinion on that Gerstmann - Kane & Lynch - GameSpot crap is that the company guys got cheap and bypassed Jeff and the money reached somebody else with higher power at GameSpot - a simple misunderstanding, while all the drama that went afterwards was just for show to rebuild their credibility as a a gaming website. The real important thing is that deals like that are the norm and happen on daily bases on every media outlet, especially on mainstream ones that also have the habit of selling their ad space along with favorable reviews for a better future business relationship, meaning exclusive interviews, previews and all that shinny propaganda we all love to swallow from these "journalists".
 

Saving the best for last. Lets really break this part down. You are partly correct in how it went down, as I said above, it is documented, the story was told anonymously by various people, and confirmed by many others, along with Jeff. Marketing team was inexperienced with how to handle pressure from publishers, new exec in charge caved to the money/pressure, shitstorm ensues. That particular person involved was fired 6 months later.
 
Now, for somebody who thinks he knows a lot about how simple things work and feels the need to explain them to people, you really, honestly, think that "...all the drama that went afterwards was just for show to rebuild their credibility as a a gaming website.", seriously? All that drama destroyed their credibility completely, along with having a very large portion of their editorial staff quitting, creating that "drama". If you think that's how you rebuild credibility, you're pretty dumb. Go investigate other businesses, or look at politics. The LAST thing anybody wants is to air their dirty laundry in public.
 

The real important thing is that deals like that are the norm and happen on daily bases on every media outlet, especially on mainstream ones that also have the habit of selling their ad space along with favorable reviews for a better future business

Oh really? The norm you say? On a daily basis?! Please back that up with some evidence, because that's total bullshit. If this was as common an occurrence as you say, then it wouldn't have been such a huge news clusterfuck. If you think mainstream outlets are all selling favourable reviews, please back that up too. Otherwise, keep the conspiracy theories under the tinfoil hat, and lets stick to facts in reality. I mean really, if that were true, every AAA title would score perfect scores on tons of review sites, but those things bomb all the time. I'm not saying its a perfect incorruptible system, I'm just saying that its not some crazy widespread conspiracy, much to the chagrin of marketing people everywhere. While i'm here, you should probably also know that Obama isn't actually a muslim nazi terrorist. Though that might be part of this conspiracy, and I might be in on it too.
 

Now, MY opinion

This is your opinion, and you're free to think it, but you should spend less time thinking about how everything must be evil and a conspiracy, and more time looking at the facts. In the same way you think people should not take a review as gospel, you shouldn't take things at face value, or assign a simple explanation for things that are often very complicated processes. Corruption is always possible, but I think the sheer number of people that walked out of gamespot prove that they're not all in on it. There will always be that accountability.
 
 
Anyways, the fact is, CBSi purchased Giantbomb. Giantbomb is a growing website, having a larger financial backer is good for that. CBSi likes money, and has the ability to secure better advertisements for Giantbomb, thus making everyone mo' money. Giantbomb retains complete creative freedom, the crew get to work with old friends as well, some of whom are rather awesome people. The spooky gamespot boogeymen don't get anything because they no longer exist, or are in a position in which they cannot do anything to affect the review process. Essentially, this is a very good thing for Giantbomb, because they lose nothing (other than a super sweet office), and gain better financial backing, access to more employees (MORE VIDEO FEATURES!), and better targeted ads for the site. CBSi gains a new website with a dedicated fanbase, veteran employees, and a unique appeal that can coexist with gamespot comfortably. All I ever did was state the facts about the business deal, examine the pros and cons, and declare that thus far, this is a very good deal for Giantbomb, and barring any future fuck ups, should continue to be good.

So,in summary, thanks for... not reading whatever I wrote, an then responding to what you imagined I wrote, or something? Thanks for constructing a strawman argument and then explaining things (poorly), that I already knew and seem to understand better than you. Thanks for writing a bunch of nonsense.
Edited by Vlad_Tiberius

@Xeiphyer: Dude, grow up, pull off your rose-tinted glasses, take a good look around you and get this through your brain: EACH and EVERYBODY in this so-called "media"/ "journalism" is, more or less, on the take, ok? EVERYBODY!

Why? Because that's the nature of the business and they can't survive otherwise. Don't you see that everybody knows everybody and everyone is connected to everybody in this business, whether it's PR, publisher, developer or "journalist"? Do you think all these relations happened just like that? These people work in this biz, they're meeting people, they know all the inside stuff, they know how the market will evolve, they know which are the players that need to get their product pushed. It's all about the money, advertising and propaganda for f*ck sakes! Hey, why don't you invite Schafer for an interview and see if he bothers to even respond to you?

Here's the business circle: these dudes make a website and put out ad space for sale ---->the companies/publishers/retailers offer to buy that space for exposure/advertising---->me , you and other sheep visit the site for gaming info and thus get to know about those products of those publishers/ the retailers and such----->the"media" dudes get revenue because of our traffic on their site. Easy as that,with the kindergarten level of explaining just for you to understand.

Again, I don't blame anyone for this, because this is the biz and that's is life and we aIl have to eat,ok?

On the other hand, sure, I like these guys, and I enjoy their humor, their Bombcast and the quick looks, but that doesn't mean I trust them with my hard-earned money when I'm buying games and all the propagnada crap they sometimes pull, especially when they invite certain company guys that have plug their shit to us.

Now, MY opinion on that Gerstmann - Kane & Lynch - GameSpot crap is that the company guys got cheap and bypassed Jeff and the money reached somebody else with higher power at GameSpot - a simple misunderstanding, while all the drama that went afterwards was just for show to rebuild their credibility as a a gaming website. The real important thing is that deals like that are the norm and happen on daily bases on every media outlet, especially on mainstream ones that also have the habit of selling their ad space along with favorable reviews for a better future business relationship, meaning exclusive interviews, previews and all that shinny propaganda we all love to swallow from these "journalists".

Also, mind you that the business was different back then when this incident happened, reviews mattered more, there were fewer gaming websites, compared to now, when a certain dude's opinion or a certain website's review on a game is worth like a drop of water in an ocean.

Sure, back then, when I was a kid, I used to consider GameSpot or IGN's review scores crucial when buying games, simply because there weren't so many "professional"opinions on the market. But, nowadays, there are hundreds of websites, the exposure is immense and even children post their reviews on Youtube. Plus I, like many others, grew my own taste in gaming since then.

I know it may sound cynical, but my advice is to get over the "righteous", "honest" and "unbiased" journalism bullshit (such romantic terms don't apply when you're referring to a business and you're paid to do it!) and enjoy their jokes, their banter on everyday crap on their podcasts. That's why I've listened to them since almost the beginning of GB!

But hey, when it comes to games, look for more than one opinion, look on independent, non-mainstream reviews and opinions when you want to get more honest opinions or reviews for games, especially for the ones you look forward to buy and you're not 100% sure.

In short, don't idolize these guys and their opinions by painting them incorruptible heroes, gaming prophets and savants or shit like that. Just treat them as they are, like regular people with their own opinions, problems, bills and families to feed, and appreciate them for their humor. That's it. I'm out.

Posted by BigMike

Here's to swift transition and staying true to who you are! You guys still keep me laughing during my death commute in Southern Ontario, I hope it only gets better.

Posted by MarkDarkness

This was actually pretty cool... calmed me down somewhat.

Edited by YukoAsho

@medacris said:

Can someone explain what went on with GB and Tested? The videos weren't loading for me, and I'm admittedly not that familiar with the backstory of the site.

Whiskey Media is gone.

Giant Bomb and Comic Vine went to CBS Interactive, and are presumably going to be much the same as they are now.

Anime Vice, Screened and Tested went to BermanBraun, with the first two looking like they've been left to die while the last is being used as a MythBusters promotional vehicle.

Posted by medacris

Can someone explain what went on with GB and Tested? The videos weren't loading for me, and I'm admittedly not that familiar with the backstory of the site.

Posted by Boopie

money talks and bullshit walks

Posted by Insectecutor
Posted by Xeiphyer
@myslead said:

@YukoAsho said:

@Xeiphyer said:

Everyone just needs to remember that Gamespot isn't a bad place, it was one bad dude and a bad situation that started all that drama years ago, and he got fired 6 months later. A lot of people forget that prior to that incident, the GB crew were all working there together being crazy.

Exactly. This isn't the death knell of Giant Bomb. This is Jeff Gerstmann's final vindication. He's strolling back into the building as the victor, and Josh Larson or whatever his name is will likely never run a popular website again.

Jeff won. And he did it through hard work and integrity.

how did he win anything?

he got bought off

that's more of a lost to me.

"hey look, I can buy anything, even the guy I fired 5 years ago."

Uhhh, no?  The guy who was responsible for firing him was fired himself 6 months later, so whoever your 'Mr. Mysterious Evil Gamespot Villain CEO' is, doesn't exist.
 
Also, if getting "bought off" means getting to keep complete control of your site while being given money, then that's a pretty fuckin' sweet deal.
 
I know you think that there is a mysterious shadow council running gamespot and they're still evil, but in reality it was just one dude and a bad situation that caused the original incident. Jeff and gang are all from gamespot originally, and are still friends with most of the people that work there, I think that alone speaks to the credibility of that site and its employees. After all, it was gamespot that originally put the gang together in the first place.
 
Really though, its a moot argument. Giantbomb isn't changing any, we aren't going to have to go to gamespot or anything, the only thing that changed is the office and the amount of money they now have to do dumb stuff with. They still have complete control over the site and everything they do, so we aren't really losing anything.
Posted by mithhunter55

And that was E3!

Posted by bandro

This makes me happy

Edited by myslead

@YukoAsho said:

@Xeiphyer said:

Everyone just needs to remember that Gamespot isn't a bad place, it was one bad dude and a bad situation that started all that drama years ago, and he got fired 6 months later. A lot of people forget that prior to that incident, the GB crew were all working there together being crazy.

Exactly. This isn't the death knell of Giant Bomb. This is Jeff Gerstmann's final vindication. He's strolling back into the building as the victor, and Josh Larson or whatever his name is will likely never run a popular website again.

Jeff won. And he did it through hard work and integrity.

how did he win anything?

he got bought off

that's more of a lost to me.

"hey look, I can buy anything, even the guy I fired 5 years ago."

@UnrealDP said:

@Branthog said:

Do you know what the talent at one FM radio station said when CBS took them over?

Hurrah! We have more resources, now! And more stability! And health insurance! And more money! And more advertising dollars! And we'll eventually get a better studio! And we'll get an even larger audience! This is what we've been working so hard for so many years for and our effort is finally being rewarded!

Less than one year later, every single on-air talent was exhausted and beaten down and betrayed and eventually fired and most of the off-air staff were fired and the station underwent a new imaging campaign and really douchey (like, would repulse Howard Stern) radio guys from across the country were brought in to replace everyone. Less than a year after *that*, those people were fired, almost all of the staff remaining was fired, the station became an FM simulcast for the AM sister-station's right-wing blow-hards, and the radio station's building was bulldozed. (This was a thirty-year old power-house of a station with a huge reputation broadcasting out of one of the top markets).

So, the lesson to learn here is that the talent has less input than you think, the talent often is kept more in the dark than you think, and just because employees buy into the "hey guys, stuff is gonna be thuper awethome over here!" pitch from the new parent company doesn't make it true. Are you going to badmouth your new employer? Are you going to tell the employees from your new acquisition the truth, when you might not have everything planned out just yet and you might still need them in some capacity? Of course not.

See "Burned" for more... Mate, it's looking like you've already made up your mind, but don't be like this. Look at how GameSpot was before any of this even happened. Everything was great and they were honest with the community and given lots of freedom. There was a mistake, but now they're back and here you are being as negative as possible about how this could turn out. It could go totally bad and the GB guys could just be lying to our faces to try and herd us into their new evil overlords, but hey, I'm not gonna try and see that. The GB guys are saying it's not like that and seem genuinely happy. They've always been super honest with the community and they haven't betrayed our trust before. You can be this way and try to put everyone around you down, or you can maybe try to support the GB guys and the community instead of trying to spread the hate.

and Gamespot wasn't great, it was fine back then, but it's just that there wasn't alot of other options around.

Posted by UnsolvedParadox

Must be a huge relief for Jeff to get this off his back, even though the answer was about what most of us had heard/suspected. I'm happy for all of the Giant Bomb crew, but especially Jeff for this reason.

Posted by mathkor

@brassmarsh: its not too late

Posted by Xarash

As someone who had a paid subscription at Gamespot all those years ago, and then canceled it in protest over what happened and not looked back since, this is weird.

But as it seems things have changed, and with the financial power of CBS Interactive behind it, I fully expect the content of the site will only improve.

Also a big thanks to those that are not going over to the new era. I personally know how hard and expensive it is to run a popular web site. Hope you guys got a good deal!

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@TheHT said:

@Ragnar: Here's the On The Spot episode after Jeff was fired.

Also, notice Brad looking ready to throw down.

he looks like hes in shock really

but hes back and best of luck must feel good jeff to be vindicated :)

i just hope the community doesnt change giantbomb has always had the best community sure there are still trolls and stupid forum posts but its far less than any other website ive seen.

but the forums here are exactly what they should be a forum for people to discuss videogame related content with fellow duders instead the usual crap that ive seen on other site. and the content is awesome

Posted by P00hfLinger

Giantbomb is the first gaming site that I have ever loved. I love the content and the videos you guys produce. Please, keep up the great work!!!

Posted by rockhardalibi

Hope it's good.

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Posted by eXists

Also does anyone notice that you don't really see much if any excitement from Jeff, it feels like he was forced into this situation and wants to make it look ok... my 0.02

Posted by eXists

Just a matter of time until there's a clash with CBS's political correctness, wait and see... and like with every merger after a few months there will be some consolidation and a few Ppl on both sides will be fired, anyone wants to bet? I give it 6 months. Having said that, good luck guys!

Posted by Chemin

I look forward to seeing this video, yo.

Posted by Alcamin

@Ragnar said:

@TheHT said:

@Ragnar: Here's the On The Spot episode after Jeff was fired.

Also, notice Brad looking ready to throw down.

Cheers man. Wow. Knowing Alex well enough from all the videos and reviews I just imagine him screaming fuck over and over again through that whole clip, on the inside.

I had forgotten that this episode existed. Thanks for the reminder. At the time, while watching this and considering all of the flak that GameSpot had received, I found it hard to really criticise them when faced with the obvious emotion on display from the core team that made GameSpot what it was. They were obviously hit hard by Jeff's termination. I simply couldn't bring myself to vilify the team after watching this, especially when there was so much raw emotion and angry flying around, often mistakenly directed at these individuals. Now that the full story has been made public, I feel that stance was justified and hope that everyone will be able to move on from those dark days. It certainly sounds as if Jeff and the rest of the GB team have.

Posted by YukoAsho

@Johnny5 said:

@YukoAsho said:

@Xeiphyer said:

Everyone just needs to remember that Gamespot isn't a bad place, it was one bad dude and a bad situation that started all that drama years ago, and he got fired 6 months later. A lot of people forget that prior to that incident, the GB crew were all working there together being crazy.

Exactly. This isn't the death knell of Giant Bomb. This is Jeff Gerstmann's final vindication. He's strolling back into the building as the victor, and Josh Larson or whatever his name is will likely never run a popular website again.

Jeff won. And he did it through hard work and integrity.

This is a great way to put it. Although people need to know he's not a victor over Gamespot, but to management who screwed him. Gamespot was always on his side. Anyone who watched Ryan Mcdonald basically break down on live air knew that (hell I was close to doing it too lol). Although the content has definitely suffered since they've left, I've never had anything against Gamespot and to hold a grudge against them is pretty malaligned.

Thanks for the expansion. I went back to looking at GameSpot soon after I heard Larson had been fired and you can tell people were feeling hella more free, but mostly were new. It's like it was a new site, and after I let go of the enmity that I felt from the firing, I found that they were an OK site. In many ways, GameSpot's recovery is a victory in and of itself. As you said, the few people who remain from that time probably thought their lives were going to be miserable from there on out, stuck between a kowtowing management and a bunch of newb staff. But yeah, lots of lessons learned all around.

Posted by Ragnar

@TheHT said:

@Ragnar: Here's the On The Spot episode after Jeff was fired.

Also, notice Brad looking ready to throw down.

Cheers man. Wow. Knowing Alex well enough from all the videos and reviews I just imagine him screaming fuck over and over again through that whole clip, on the inside.

Posted by ShadowKirby

@TheHT said:

@Ragnar: Here's the On The Spot episode after Jeff was fired.

Also, notice Brad looking ready to throw down.

Oh man, I wasn't following Gamespot back in the days and never saw that. Brad and Alex looked pissed.

Posted by warxsnake

I'm actually looking forward to maybe having KVO on the bombcast or quicklooks

Posted by InsaneGenis

I come here daily. Giant bomb just lacks reviews.

Posted by Superfriend

@InsaneGenis said:

I just signed up and will be posting more, but as a reader since Jeff was with Gamespot, I'm glad this happened. Hopefully this improves Gamespot to compete better against IGN. I've always read IGN, but lately they have been writing articles about articles they will be writing and Damon is awful. His attempt to make a signature style by saying his name as if it's a statement, makes me hate his videos. In any case, I haven't really paid attention to gamespot and I hope this move makes me go to them before I go to ign.

Well, you should probably come to Giantbomb before going to IGN or Gamespot... but yeah, maybe Gamespot can return to a fraction of the greatness that it once had. The Kasavin-Gallup-Gerstman-and-crew times were the greatest.

Too bad a lot of the staff left, because I would like to see some sort of On the Spot reunion show. THAT would be a fitting conclusion to the whole affair, because man- that On the Spot episode after he left was a real downer.

Posted by InsaneGenis

I just signed up and will be posting more, but as a reader since Jeff was with Gamespot, I'm glad this happened. Hopefully this improves Gamespot to compete better against IGN. I've always read IGN, but lately they have been writing articles about articles they will be writing and Damon is awful. His attempt to make a signature style by saying his name as if it's a statement, makes me hate his videos. In any case, I haven't really paid attention to gamespot and I hope this move makes me go to them before I go to ign.

Edited by TheHT

@Ragnar: Here's the On The Spot episode after Jeff was fired.

Also, notice Brad looking ready to throw down.