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Posted by synesthesik

Reggie looked like he wanted to kill somebody. I think something got pulled right before the show. Something wasn't right. Nintendo has screwed stuff up before but, for me at least, this was an all time low for a console unveil at E3. Myamoto was the highlight but everything else was awful. It was really hard to watch because I was rooting for them so hard. I want Nintendo to go back to being the company that brought me my favorite game EVER, Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time. Instead, I got the version of Nintendo that brought me the Wii Fit, a Nintendo that cares little if at all for the core gaming audience.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I felt like Alex. I wanted them to knock it out of the park so badly that I put the ball on a tee, but all they did was swing and miss, then spin around, then fall in the dirt, then cried, then.....

Posted by EndlessLotus

Nintendo was just a basket-full of crazy this year....

Edited by BitterAlmond

@piderman said:

@BitterAlmond: Wasn't the Luigi game on the 3DS? That ghost thing was just a minigame.

Not sure; I didn't watch the press conference. I'd be pretty bummed if that was the case, though.

Edited by Cubical

Nintendo had a press show? No that is not what that was any company that wants to stay alive would atempt to sell there new console that is coming out in 2012 and tell people the price and when it is coming out then show some real games other than 3.

Oh wait I get it its like the crap n54 it will be delayed for years then when it comes out it will have 2 games at launch worth anything then you wait a few months and get another crap game and it will run on expensive format that cant hold jack data making all the games on it suck.

Then everybody will be stuck playing crap multiplayer games on it like goldeneye because there is nothing else to play and all nintendo game series will get more crap versions that the older ones from the 8- and 16 bit or gamecube games.

Posted by OneManX

@MAGZine said:

@gunslingerNZ: I think you'll see an improvement in that area, based on Nintendo's focus for the Wii U. It's true that the 720/PS4 will probably perform head and shoulders above Wii U, but there is the fact that you'll have your new console a full year--minimum--before the new "generation" hits. I figure if you want xBox and/or PS with better graphics performance, you should just buy a PC, unless if you *really* want those exclusives. Never made sense to me why people bought into XBox. Yey, Halo and GoW. And $60 a year to play online. Be still, my beating heart.

360 is a LITTLE more than just Halo and Gears, to be fair.

Posted by cameronleeball

It's sad to see how the mighty Nintendo has fallen. They're so desperate it hurts.

Posted by MAGZine

@gunslingerNZ: I think you'll see an improvement in that area, based on Nintendo's focus for the Wii U. It's true that the 720/PS4 will probably perform head and shoulders above Wii U, but there is the fact that you'll have your new console a full year--minimum--before the new "generation" hits. I figure if you want xBox and/or PS with better graphics performance, you should just buy a PC, unless if you *really* want those exclusives. Never made sense to me why people bought into XBox. Yey, Halo and GoW. And $60 a year to play online. Be still, my beating heart.

Posted by dropabombonit

I was looking forward to this conference yesterday hoping that Nintendo would bring it. Me and my friend Grant were so disappointed, we thought that it was somehow worse than the Microsoft conference

Posted by FrenchFriedFool

Thanks a lot Reggie ;_;

Posted by gunslingerNZ

@MAGZine: Your entire argument is moot because the Wii U hardware isn't anywhere near close to what an upgraded 360 or PS3 would be... If it was it would be so unbelievably expensive that it would be DoA, not just for the guts of the console but also because you're buying a tablet as well.

While Nintendo may have a good track record with backwards compatibility (something the market has shown it clearly isn't concerned with) they have a truly atrocious track record with online play and media hub features, something people care very much about.

Posted by rick9109

Nintendo needs balance. For years people have been, for good reason, complaining about the lack of third party involvement with Nintendo. So for the Wii U they decided to say, "LOOK AT ALL OUR THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE." Great! But I think the important point was that people wanted third party presence on the next Nintendo system, but not at the expense at all the awesome things that Nintendo's first party stuff does. Basically, people want things to play between the 2-4 first party titles Nintendo puts out every year.

I mean let's be realistic, Mario 'U'niverse is coming, Zelda and the Flute of Pizza is on its way, and, maybe we'll see Star Fox and Metroid in this system's life. But I think if Nintendo wants strong early adoption, they need to go ahead and say it just to keep the anticipation burning for those games.

Posted by MAGZine

@vinsanityv22: because Nintendo exclusives and hardware.

Let's be frank here. The PS3 and the 360 offer nearly identical gaming experiences, and it's yet to be seen if the "PS4" or the "720" will change that at all. In fact, it's entirely possible that these consoles are $600 upgrades to your console. Just like upgrading your computer, you need to upgrade your console to get the latest as far as graphical innovation is concerned.

So if you have two platforms with identical hardware, exception being the controller, the disk drive and the online network, and another console with all of the features of the previous two plus new hardware that you have the option for... why not? Don't be naive in thinking that there are many exclusives for each system. 360 has GoW and Halo. PS3 has more than the 360 (HR, MAG, MSG, FF)... but Nintendo has a fairly substantial library of games that are not just a game, but often an entire franchise. And owning Nintendo hardware grants you the option to play those. And maybe you don't like Donkey Kong, or Star Fox, or Mario, or Luigi, or Wario, or Yoshi, or Pikman, or Zelda, or LEGO, or any other of the Nintendo flagships... but you have the option.

And if the option doesn't matter to you, then you can buy what does. However, I'd like to point out that Nintendo has an excellent trackrecord when it comes to backwards compatibility. Sony... not so much. I'd be tempted to buy games off Nintendo hardware for that reason alone, considering my GTA: SA, Grand Turismo etc for the PS2 is useless since the hardware broke ages ago, and my PS3 won't do backwards compatibility. Yey.

Posted by piderman

@BitterAlmond: Wasn't the Luigi game on the 3DS? That ghost thing was just a minigame.

Posted by BitterAlmond

I dunno, this is a solid line of launch titles. Arkham City, Darksiders, Tekken Tag, Pikmin, and fina-fucking-ly the Luigi's Mansion sequel I've been wanting since the Wii was launched. I wasn't too sure I'd buy any of the next-gen consoles, but if the Wii U continues to get the AAA games the Wii missed out on last time around, I'll have to buy it.

Posted by vinsanityv22

LEGO City Undercover looks totally awesome, actually. The Prince of Persia style platforming, the humor, the cop stuff - if it lets me declare random LEGO people to be guilty like in LA Noire, I'll be pumped. It genuinely just looks fun to hop into LEGO vehicles - they are toys after all; it's like having a toybox at your disposal. Which is why I'm sure Nintendo wanted this game exclusively on Nintendo consoles.

But Alex is right; why would I want a Wii U when I have other consoles? Heck, The 3DS should be able to replace the Gamepad - it has all the same inputs as the Gamepad except the second stick. It should be able to wirelessly connect to this console, act as the Gamepad, and you should be able to buy a SKU without the Gamepad for $100 cheaper or so. And all those third party games? You better believe I'll get Darksiders 2, Batman: Arkham City and Aliens on my PS3 (well, I already have Arkham City).

There's very little in the way of exclusive Wii U content that looks like a system seller. Even if New Super Mario Bros. U looks, of course, super fun. As well as Tank! Tank! Tank!, Project P-100, Rayman Legends and Pikmin 3. Fun, but it's not like Sony doesn't also have some very fun games coming to PS3.

Oh and fuck ZombiU. I'm so sick of zombie games.

Posted by Gerhabio

The one thing that bothered me was that the port spearhead Arkham City Armored did not look nearly as good graphically as the 360 version. I thought the Wii U was supposed to be slightly more powerful than the 360?

I mean, really. It's kinda disappointing that consoles are already moving on to a new generation and Nintendo can't compete with even current standards. Hopefully I'm wrong and this is an exception and not a rule.

Posted by coakroach

*fart noise*

Posted by Dizzyhippos

It seems like nintendo is setting the Wii U up to be there dreamcast, there only going to have a few months before all that everyone is talking about is orbis and drango

Posted by TheMasterDS

I thought it was pretty great honestly. The only real duds were Sing, Arkham City and maybe the reveals of 3rd party software you can already play. The rest was filled with juicy information for the games I wanted to know about (Pikmin, Luigi, Paper) as well as surprisingly interesting showings for the games I didn't care about beforehand. (Either of the Mario games, Lego City Undercover)  
Additionally Wii Fit U surprised me in that I didn't realize how absurdly useful the capacity to play it while watching TV would be. Man, that's the perfect antidote to the fact Wii Fit is boring as fuck! I was also happy to hear that they were supporting two gamepads since the idea "maybe it only supports one?" was what everyone was saying last E3.

Posted by TricksterLoki

Eh, its still gonna sell like all nintendo stuff does.

Posted by Renegade_Kid

Great writeup alex. Totally agree with all your points.

Posted by Shtinky
Posted by LordelX

This is the first year in a decade that I didn't stay up all night to watch Nintendo's press conference. Looks like I didn't miss much. Oh well...NSMB U and Pikmin 3 are games I'd love to play, Nintendo hasn't launched a console with a Mario platformer since the N64. Still, a little light on the first party stuff. A way to focus on third party publisher's wares perhaps? I sure hope so.

Posted by cannonballBAM

The conference had it's moments. i just love the people who hate on their partition of hardcore, casual and motion games.

Don't be that guy.

Edited by MrKlorox

"Dad Chasers" sounds like a Tim and Eric skit waiting to happen. Pap-pap's popping up again, only on Nintendo. 

Edited by jred250

Excellent work Alex. You succinctly summarized the event and resisted the urge to pile on a disappointing conference. I think you receive far too much negativity when you point out weaknesses, but you have proven in this piece that you can point out flaws without belaboring the point. Too often you have read these comments and gotten hammered, and I would like to change the trend by pointing out good work when I read it. Excellent idea to balance out the critiques with descriptions of the parts of the conference you enjoyed. Great job overall!

Posted by McQuinn

Something inside me always wants to give Nintendo a chance, but then they display casual crap and act we like that's why we're watching this online live. Also, why should I care if you can play Arkham City when I've had 7 years to buy something that already can play all of those games. There are like 4 games I might want to play from them, but I don't think I'll buy anything Nintendo anytime soon.

Posted by Slow_pC

Most of their show I continued wanting more .... and never got to a point that made me really want a wii-u. Maybe over these next few days good news will be out to make me change.

Posted by sodapop7

@BiG_Weasel said:

Bought a DS and got burned. Bought a Wii and got burned. I'll never buy Nintendo again until they redeem themselves. They've been shit since the SNES.

I'm sorry it 's your own damn fault if you think you got burned on the DS.

I'm sold I saw plenty of potential and fun games. I'll be buying a Wii U as soon as I can. It's not like there aren't going to be first party games I'm not that worried we didn't see them today.

Posted by HerbieBug

this presser was seven layers of awful.  :(

Posted by Chroma_Auron

So negative. Did people expect a rock concert? This conference was about showing the potential of the Wii U with the various games that demonstrated this. It was also about showing how it can be used to connect people whether offline or online. This is what they wanted to accomplish and they suceeded. I was satisfied with this conference as it confinced me what the Wii U controller can do. I'm confident it it's abilities. Sorry that you guys feel so bummed about this conference. This conference was not exclusively focused on a few type of people.

Posted by Bunny_Fire

well i guess all these ports would be a welcome change to people who only ever get a Nintendo console

Posted by Zaxex

I've never played Pikmin, guess I might if it's good. Doubt I'd buy a system for it. There were a couple of 3DS games I might buy. That's about it. I've played more games on my 3DS that weren't 3DS titles, and I wasn't even an early adopter; it must suck to be them.

Like the other two console-manufacturer conferences, a few games were interesting with one or two surprises; nothing worth buying a system over though; unless anything breaks the mould in a way I wouldn't expect.

I haven't seen anything else yet, just the three big conferences. I hear Ubisoft had some good stuff (maybe the best), so I'll check that out, but all in all, it was a tepid affair. At least we've still got out games and futile hopes.

Posted by YoungBuck

I was not impressed by anything they showed.

Edited by NTM

Wow... this fucking sucks. When it comes time for people to ask the question of who won, the answer will be "everyone lost". I do like the look of a lot of the games that were shown, but none of this really has to do with the Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo press conferences exclusively.

Posted by AMonkey

But the conference was just crap Alex, it left a bad taste in the mouth, no need to apologise for telling it like it is.

Edited by jasondesante

who cares about project p-100 the platnium games wii u game. what about Reggie saying they should keep the video streaming entertainment system to a separate conference so they could focus on the games instead of things that aren't games....because its e3 and you talk about games at e3....eh what about that microsoft? Can't take your own medicine of dissing nintendo for being against the hardcore, when thats your whole schtick right now, kinect kinect kinect, and halo 4. Sorry but Halo isn't close to the savior of shooters it was when the first came out.

Posted by frankfartmouth

I love Nintendo, and so I really hope this turns out well, but I thought this a big letdown. The game lineup is weak, that's all there is to it. Some cool features, and a few games that I would definitely want to play, but after seeing the Last of Us demo, I don't see anything on here that compels me to buy the system. I was considering getting it at launch. Now, probably not.

Posted by AndyPhifer

You are 100% correct. What a failure.

Posted by damnboyadvance

This is just Nintendo being Nintendo now. I can't say I expected anything more at this point. Thanks for saving me an hour of my life from watching that press conference!

Posted by RurouniGeo

gravity cat is not amused.

Posted by gunslingerNZ

@GunslingerPanda said:

Nintendo highlight first party stuff: People complain.

Nintendo highlight third party stuff: People complain.

It's all about timing, third party stuff will not work when people are already heavily invested in other platforms at this point unless you are offering a truly "next gen" (god I hate that term) experience. This console is more like 360/PS3 1.25, possibly even less when you consider all the network features those other platforms have which Nintendo doesn't...

Posted by triviaman09

Nintendo has to have another press conference later where they will get people excited for Wii U as well as release price and release date details, right? I just don't understand why they didn't have one game to get the audience going (beyond Pikmin which is nice, but no system-seller). Why not reveal something about games coming to Wii U in 2013 or 2014 even if the launch lineup is what it is? None of it makes any damn sense.

Posted by Make_Me_Mad

If Mass Effect 3 launched with a better ending on the Wii-U, they could have won E3!

Posted by Nictel

The third game in a triology as a launch game long after it was released. Why would anyone go and want to play it?

Posted by Benjo

Alex, you captured my thoughts exactly. Great article.

Posted by Aristides

I thought no one would buy a Wii when they announced it years ago, but all the married couples and fitness-conscious females proved me wrong. My fear with the Wii U is that the casual market is now into Facebook games and games on phones. If the "core" don't want it, and the casual market don't want it, Nintendo could be pretty screwed in 2013

Posted by csl316

During Nintendoland I just stopped paying attention. Which sucks. I just want Nintendo's consoles to at least feature more awesome first party games, and that just didn't seem to happen today. I'm more curious what they'll be presenting with the 3DS at that follow up thing.

Alex, as a side note, I love the Random Thoughts sections in your articles. They've been great on the Year of the Cage, and they're awesome here.

Posted by BiG_Weasel

Bought a DS and got burned. Bought a Wii and got burned. I'll never buy Nintendo again until they redeem themselves. They've been shit since the SNES.