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Posted by m2cks

@unholyone123 said:

@AdMordem said:

@unholyone123 said:

Well, he kind of has to embrace piracy. Considering his whole game is a pirated idea from an SNL skit, he would look like a complete hypocrite otherwise.

What where as EA and Activisions games are all totally original, innovative and not derivative of anything?

Name of SNL character-MacGruber

Name of game character-McPixel

MacGruber-Trys to defuse or get rid of bombs before they blow up

McPixel-Trys to defuse or get rid of bombs before they blow up

MacGruber-Name of main character flys out in big text at the end of the skit

McPixel-Name of main character flys out in big text at the end of each level

MacGruber-Has long darkish blonde hair

McPixel-Has long darkish blonde hair

Yes, you're right. EA and Activision's games have been derivative to a certain degree. Being derivative and being a blatant rip off, however, are two completely different things. If he can make a buck from people buying his game, more power to him, but don't ever call him creative, original, innovative, etc. Because he is NOT. He is just a guy who stole someone else's idea and is profiting from it. Oh, and yes MacGruber is a parody of MacGyver. SNL never claimed it to be anything but a parody.

Well perhaps McPixel is a parody of a parody; would that still qualify to you as a "blatant rip off"? SNL definitely profits off of parodies, and I'm sure their fans would think of them as creative, and not consider them stealing someone else's ideas.

Posted by unholyone123

@Twiggy199 said:

@unholyone123 said:

@AdMordem said:

@unholyone123 said:

Well, he kind of has to embrace piracy. Considering his whole game is a pirated idea from an SNL skit, he would look like a complete hypocrite otherwise.

What where as EA and Activisions games are all totally original, innovative and not derivative of anything?

Name of SNL character-MacGruber

Name of game character-McPixel

MacGruber-Trys to defuse or get rid of bombs before they blow up

McPixel-Trys to defuse or get rid of bombs before they blow up

MacGruber-Name of main character flys out in big text at the end of the skit

McPixel-Name of main character flys out in big text at the end of each level

MacGruber-Has long darkish blonde hair

McPixel-Has long darkish blonde hair

Yes, you're right. EA and Activision's games have been derivative to a certain degree. Being derivative and being a blatant rip off, however, are two completely different things. If he can make a buck from people buying his game, more power to him, but don't ever call him creative, original, innovative, etc. Because he is NOT. He is just a guy who stole someone else's idea and is profiting from it. Oh, and yes MacGruber is a parody of MacGyver. SNL never claimed it to be anything but a parody.

Copying and idea is not piracy, at the very max it's plagiarism. If so everyone after the first game ever is a pirate. for using buttons. Grow up! and think before you type!. E.A. can suck my balls!.

I never mentioned anything about EA or Activision in my original post so I don't know why you even mentioned them. "Copying and idea is not piracy, at the very max it's plagiarism." Plagiarism is a form of stealing, usually in reference to literature and intellectual ideas. Piracy is also a form of stealing, often referring to computer software(such as games). No matter which terminology you use, it's stealing.

Posted by Hoagie

@unholyone123: How is McPixel not a parody of MacGruber as MacGruber is a parody of MacGuyver?

Posted by Twiggy199

@unholyone123 said:

@AdMordem said:

@unholyone123 said:

Well, he kind of has to embrace piracy. Considering his whole game is a pirated idea from an SNL skit, he would look like a complete hypocrite otherwise.

What where as EA and Activisions games are all totally original, innovative and not derivative of anything?

Name of SNL character-MacGruber

Name of game character-McPixel

MacGruber-Trys to defuse or get rid of bombs before they blow up

McPixel-Trys to defuse or get rid of bombs before they blow up

MacGruber-Name of main character flys out in big text at the end of the skit

McPixel-Name of main character flys out in big text at the end of each level

MacGruber-Has long darkish blonde hair

McPixel-Has long darkish blonde hair

Yes, you're right. EA and Activision's games have been derivative to a certain degree. Being derivative and being a blatant rip off, however, are two completely different things. If he can make a buck from people buying his game, more power to him, but don't ever call him creative, original, innovative, etc. Because he is NOT. He is just a guy who stole someone else's idea and is profiting from it. Oh, and yes MacGruber is a parody of MacGyver. SNL never claimed it to be anything but a parody.

Copying and idea is not piracy, at the very max it's plagiarism. If so everyone after the first game ever is a pirate. for using buttons. Grow up! and think before you type!. E.A. can suck my balls!.

Posted by Spudofdoom

cool

Posted by unholyone123

@AdMordem said:

@unholyone123 said:

Well, he kind of has to embrace piracy. Considering his whole game is a pirated idea from an SNL skit, he would look like a complete hypocrite otherwise.

What where as EA and Activisions games are all totally original, innovative and not derivative of anything?

Name of SNL character-MacGruber

Name of game character-McPixel

MacGruber-Trys to defuse or get rid of bombs before they blow up

McPixel-Trys to defuse or get rid of bombs before they blow up

MacGruber-Name of main character flys out in big text at the end of the skit

McPixel-Name of main character flys out in big text at the end of each level

MacGruber-Has long darkish blonde hair

McPixel-Has long darkish blonde hair

Yes, you're right. EA and Activision's games have been derivative to a certain degree. Being derivative and being a blatant rip off, however, are two completely different things. If he can make a buck from people buying his game, more power to him, but don't ever call him creative, original, innovative, etc. Because he is NOT. He is just a guy who stole someone else's idea and is profiting from it. Oh, and yes MacGruber is a parody of MacGyver. SNL never claimed it to be anything but a parody.

Posted by AdMordem

@unholyone123 said:

Well, he kind of has to embrace piracy. Considering his whole game is a pirated idea from an SNL skit, he would look like a complete hypocrite otherwise.

What where as EA and Activisions games are all totally original, innovative and not derivative of anything?

Posted by unholyone123

Well, he kind of has to embrace piracy. Considering his whole game is a pirated idea from an SNL skit, he would look like a complete hypocrite otherwise.

Posted by AhmadMetallic

I respect a developer who does not antagonize piracy and realizes its many benefits for the PC gaming experience, community and industry.

Big respect to this guy, I'll buy his game even though I'm not gonna play it.

Posted by Nintendude

@Corvak said:

@Nintendude: They'll still have activations (So does Steam) but they wont require you to have a connection while playing single player.

Good enough. That's all I can ask for ^^

Posted by AStoutYeoman

This'll all work itself out...

Posted by Corvak

@Nintendude: They'll still have activations (So does Steam) but they wont require you to have a connection while playing single player.

Posted by Cmdc00kie

You can say this situation is different, but you'd be hard pressed to find an instance where a developer who embraced/didn't mind piracy didn't benefit from doing so.

Posted by Catlicker

McPix√ČL!!

Posted by Brendan

@Cretaceous_Bob said:

A single person who made a low budget game who has nothing to lose and everything to gain loses nothing from piracy, gains exposure.

Hold on while I freak the fuck out.

I agree that the situation can't really be used as a guiding post for the entire industry.

Posted by Nintendude

@fisk0 said:

@Sooty said:

But...piracy is evil! It's killing the industry! All PC gamers are pirates.

- Ubisoft

Ubisoft do sell some of their games DRM free on GOG, though not their most recent releases (but Assassin's Creed isn't that old).

I do think that in Europe, developers are generally not that much against piracy, at least not outside the UK. One reason may be that most of the major developers in northern and eastern Europe have roots in the pirate scene themselves. It would seem that the skills used in cracking copy protection, as well as programming technical showpieces for the demoscene do translate pretty well to game development. Remedy, Future Mark, Starbreeze, DICE, Avalanche and GRIN/Fatshark were all founded or have several members that are or used to be part of various scene groups, most of which were in part involved with piracy (though Triton and Future Crew - that became Starbreeze and Remedy/Future Mark respectively were mostly involved in demo/cracktro and tracker music production). There are people from major pirate groups like Razor 1911 and The Red Sector all over the industry.

Didn't Ubi just claim to stop supporting those stupid always online DRM shenanigans? (Probably not DRM free when it comes to Assassin's Creed 3 and such.)

Posted by capthavic

I think if game devs/publishers worried less about piracy and more about making excellent games that are easy to play then piracy wouldn't be (as much of) a problem for them. Right now they are like the Empire from Star Wars, the tighter their grip the more potential sales slip through their fingers by making their products more expensive and bogged down with DRM.

Edited by KoolAid

It's a cool story and lets hope the greenlight gets him even more exposure!

But I'd like to point out that making enough money "to live off of" is a little vague. I mean, I could live off cup of noodles for the next year and stop buying games if I really wanted to. (I don't want to if I can help it).

I'm not saying that's the case here, but I just feel like there is this disconnect in the scene where you are either perceived as being a starving artist making enough to get by or trying to make 'millions and gazzilions.

Posted by SpartanHoplite

good for him, not so good for others.

Posted by kenniWORLDPEACE

this is awesome.

Posted by Cretaceous_Bob

A single person who made a low budget game who has nothing to lose and everything to gain loses nothing from piracy, gains exposure.

Hold on while I freak the fuck out.

Posted by JoshingMad

@Undeadpool said:

Is it wrong that every time the dev was quoted, his voice in my head sounded exactly like Tommy Wiseau?

Tommy Wiseau never sounded as eloquent and coherent as Sosowski.

The day that he does is the day when the world ends.

Posted by StartRunning

Sooooooo, when you make something that is cool and/or funny, people will just GIVE you money? Man, those big publishers have got it wayyy backwards.

Posted by BiG_Weasel

Just wanted to point out that I watched the Congressional hearings involving the RIAA and Napster back in the day. Thing is, when Napster was at its peak, music sales were the highest they'd ever been. I think this further proves the point that the people that will buy a game/music/movie will buy it, and those that won't will not. Companies really aren't losing that money.

Posted by Terramagi

I want McPixel on a floppy disk, both for novelty's sake and so I can say that I DID copy that floppy.

Posted by Bourbon_Warrior

It should be a free flash game anyway.

Posted by Tordah

Cool story. I'm sure McPixel will sell much more once it hits Steam.

Posted by MrBeabo

Buying this game as soon as it hits Steam. Love me some crazy.

Posted by kerse

Sosowski is getting ready to port McPixel to the Commodore 64.

I hope this is true.

Posted by DryvBy

Well, that's weird. The propaganda machines say people who pirate cause the market to die.

Reality: game doesn't sell what was projected to the stock holders by CEO, CEO needs a reason they only sold 1.2 million instead of 1.3 million, begins blaming things. Truly though, what's killing the gaming business is the projected figures a game should sell. Remember when a game reached a million sales? That was like...legendary! Now, that's expected.

I worked for a Fortune 500 company in sales and the worst thing you could do there is have a good month selling stuff because every month after that, you were "not meeting expectations" even if you were still selling above the others. In other words, projections suck!

Posted by FMinus

@Lurkero said:

I don't think this strategy could ever work for high budget games.

Seeing as how only a little over 3% of people were willing to pay retail price or more, it would be dangerous for anyone other than a low budget indie to appeal to pirates.

I would appreciate more variety in retail prices though. Not every game should be released at MSRP.

That's because entertainment is overpriced in most regions of the world. Latest example the X-Com: Enemy Unknown pre-order on Steam. They demand 599 Rubles from Russians which equals to about $19, while from me they demand 49.99EUR which equals to $65 - Fuck that simply put.

The sad generalizing reality is, that everyone I know from Russia and I know about 15 people, earns more money as I do. I can't afford games at 50 or 60EUR price points simply put. Luckily for Steam sales and other services like Steam, or I would pirate like a motherfucker, how could I, with a 800EUR monthly paycheck and a game is 50EUR, next to all the other bills and food I need to consume...

Posted by BeautifulSpaceCowboy

McPixel is great. I am glad things are working out for Sosowski.

Posted by TeflonBilly

I threw some change his way when I saw this thing (I was even in second place on his leaderboard for a bit!). It's far from a model people can expect to be sustainable, I just thought it was a nice and ballsy gesture which I appreciated.

More or less it's a nice little experiment to show how digital distribution is becoming a savior of PC development. I mean it was onlya few years ago where people were declaring the death of PC gaming, but thanks in large part to Steam and the timing of console cycles, we're reaching a new golden age for it at the moment

Posted by onan

"Look what piracy did to the PSP. for example."

More like "look what punitive mandatory firmware updates did to the PSP." I almost stopped buying games entirely for mine because I wasn't willing to give up the ability to run emulators on it and was forced into pirating games I wanted to play. I had to weigh my interest in each individual game again the entire back catalog of several classic gaming platforms and it was never a hard choice. The ones I really liked, I bought, pirated, and they stayed in shrink wrap on my shelf, completely useless to me. They also loaded faster, as a plus.

The DS by comparison was much, MUCH easier to pirate games on, and yet it's one of the most successful platforms of all time, and they never did a single thing to stop it other than going after people like the R4 manufacturers.

If all Steam games would scan your hard drive for any software that matched ones available on popular torrent sites and would delete them, would you buy Steam games? I wouldn't. Many wouldn't. Would I ever say then that piracy sank Steam? I'd place that blame on whoever made the boneheaded decision to police people's actions instead of focusing on cultivating the seller/customer relationship.

Posted by dr_mantas

I'm still opposed to piracy, on principle. People should be payed for their work. If the developer is all for it, good for them, I don't really care in that situation.

But as a reformed pirate I can say that I didn't pirate because of some deep moral beliefs, I pirated because I wanted to play every game that came out and had no money. So there will always be people that pirate, mostly kids with a lot of time and no money.

It's important to grow up and realize that everything you consume takes effort, time and money to make. And THAT should be recompensed. And this dollar by dollar sale only works for super small indie games. Imagine Skyrim getting advertised on pirate bay and making enough money for ES VI to be made.

Posted by Gildermershina

It kind of bugs me that shit like this could be used by certain people to justify their piracy. I think it's admirable for a developer like this have found a way to leverage the publicity, but I sure hope that the case of a one-man developer with relatively low production costs doesn't morph into people saying "see, indie developers think piracy is TOTALLY FINE."

But whatever, good for McPixel.

Posted by Undeadpool

Is it wrong that every time the dev was quoted, his voice in my head sounded exactly like Tommy Wiseau?

Posted by Tesla

McPixel is awesome and so is Sosowski. Say what you will about the current generation, but grassroots success stories like this are more likely now than ever in the video game industry. +1 faith in humanity.

Edited by Kosayn

Seems like some pirates actually do buy things that are good, right?

The other myth about video game piracy is that it is a new thing. The culture of game sharing was very much in swing back in the 1980s, in the days of the 5 1/4 floppy disk, on B&W old school macs and actual IBM PCs, not to mention the many other awesome types of machines back then, none of which were really mainstream at all. Commodores, Amigas, weird russian computers recording on audio tapes, famicoms, etc. Your school was lucky if it had 1-3 of them, with maybe 1 kind of software. The block you lived on probably had 0.

Many gamers and game designers would not have developed their current interest without piracy - even just from a distribution standpoint. I'd venture to say that not only is piracy not currently destroying the market, it played a huge role in actually developing the market in the first place. We could have been a much less playful culture right now, if early anti-piracy efforts worked better.

Posted by SatelliteOfLove

I don't like this meme, but #gamechanger.

Posted by YukoAsho

@Nettacki said:

@bhhawks78 said:

@wumbo3000 said:

"Approaches to piracy can and will vary from developer to developer, publisher to publisher, game to game. Each project carries its own risk-reward relationship with piracy. Look at what piracy did to the PSP, for example."

Okay, someone wanna fill me in? I thought lack of good games is what did in the PSP. Didn't really hear about piracy being a big issue on it, or maybe I'm just ignorant.

Fanboys, and devs that made bad games blamed piracy for poor sales of poor games on a poor platform.

You can't deny that piracy had SOME effect on PSP software sales. Even for devs that made GOOD games.

Exactly. The system sold over 65 million fucking units worldwide. It should have been a goldmine for publishers, but they were frightened of making large investments in making games for the thing.

Posted by PurplePartyRobot

I picked up McPixel through Android, but I'm gonna donate a little bit more to make it on par with the $10 purchase. This game deserves as much.

Posted by punkxblaze

@wumbo3000 said:

"Approaches to piracy can and will vary from developer to developer, publisher to publisher, game to game. Each project carries its own risk-reward relationship with piracy. Look at what piracy did to the PSP, for example."

Okay, someone wanna fill me in? I thought lack of good games is what did in the PSP. Didn't really hear about piracy being a big issue on it, or maybe I'm just ignorant.

The reason it didn't have good games is because devs weren't willing to risk putting any on there due to rampant piracy issues. The two sort of go hand in hand with that situation.

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Posted by PimblyCharles

This reminds me when Zeno Clash was cracked & put up on torrent sites like Piratebay. The developers (brothers I think?) went to all the sites and left comments saying they don't mind if you DL the game without paying, but that if the person likes it to think about buying it. They later said their sales were better than they expected; likely to the torrents. Cool shit.

Posted by Dark_Lord_Spam

The guy seems super nice, and I wish him the best, but I can't help feeling like that breakdown of purchase figures says all we need to know about the generosity of software pirates. It may or may not make a tiny independent profitable, but you just know someone will try to spin this as making sense for multi-million dollar projects. And that's simply not the case.

Posted by George_Hukas

Woah, this Pirate Bay place is pretty cool! Did you guys know you can free games there!??!

Bookmarked!

Posted by WolfHazard

I'll have to check this out

Posted by Krakn3Dfx

Buying this as soon as it hits Steam.

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