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Posted by Zereta

@Brandino said:

@Zereta said:

@Brandino: Its not just the specs that is the issue though. Nintendo is marketing this as their entry into the next gen when what they're really doing, in my eyes anyway, is slowly catching up to what we have. I don't normally care for the graphics either but this late into the game, when someone releases a new console, I expect to see a jump, not the same stuff we've been seeing for the last few years.

And part of the reason why I was in love with Nintendo and why the Wii and now, the Wii U, has failed to impress me is precisely that they have this huge stable of first party IPs that I love that they do nothing with. Where's Starfox? Where's F-Zero? Mario has been the only franchise that Nintendo has been, for lack of a better term, 'milking' for the Wii and now when they had a chance to impress with the Wii U, they go back to Mario.

And i am completely fine with them "catching up".

Like most people who buy nintendo consoles, we buy them for the first party games. And as of right now it's got the best launch of any console to come out in years IMO and within the next 6 months even more games are coming out that i want. I completely understand if you don't want the Wii-U, it's like the Wii. It's not a console meant for everyone and unlike a lot of people here and other gaming forums i absolutely loved the Wii.

To each their own, I guess.

Edited by awesomeusername

@Zereta said:

@awesomeusername said:

@Ace829 said:

Confirmed.

Bam! Learn something new everyday! Why the hell would they say they have no list of confirmed games then?

Precisely. I have no idea what the hell is going on over there at Nintendo but god damn, the messaging coming out for this is ridiculous.

Damn those Nintendo-ians!

Posted by Brandino

@Zereta said:

@Brandino: Its not just the specs that is the issue though. Nintendo is marketing this as their entry into the next gen when what they're really doing, in my eyes anyway, is slowly catching up to what we have. I don't normally care for the graphics either but this late into the game, when someone releases a new console, I expect to see a jump, not the same stuff we've been seeing for the last few years.

And part of the reason why I was in love with Nintendo and why the Wii and now, the Wii U, has failed to impress me is precisely that they have this huge stable of first party IPs that I love that they do nothing with. Where's Starfox? Where's F-Zero? Mario has been the only franchise that Nintendo has been, for lack of a better term, 'milking' for the Wii and now when they had a chance to impress with the Wii U, they go back to Mario.

And i am completely fine with them "catching up".

Like most people who buy nintendo consoles, we buy them for the first party games. And as of right now it's got the best launch of any console to come out in years IMO and within the next 6 months even more games are coming out that i want. I completely understand if you don't want the Wii-U, it's like the Wii. It's not a console meant for everyone and unlike a lot of people here and other gaming forums i absolutely loved the Wii.

Posted by Zereta

@DarthOrange: Heh pictures is a good idea :) When I was typing this out, I just got into it and hit send haha.

As for games, yea, I get what you mean. I mean, I'm psyched for other games as well. Borderlands 2 looks great. Dishonored looks awesome. Hitman: Absolution. What I really meant in terms of interesting games is New IP and games that do something different and innovative, games that take risks in gameplay, presentation, story, something.

As for Nintendo brining out new IPs, I hope so, man. Well, if you believe what they say, their last big character was the Wii Fit board ;)

Posted by Hailinel

@Zereta said:

@awesomeusername said:

@Ace829 said:

Confirmed.

Bam! Learn something new everyday! Why the hell would they say they have no list of confirmed games then?

Precisely. I have no idea what the hell is going on over there at Nintendo but god damn, the messaging coming out for this is ridiculous.

They worded it the way they did because, aside from NintendoLand and NSMBU, Nintendo themselves do not have any games that will be available day one. Third parties are different.

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Posted by Zereta

@Brandino: Its not just the specs that is the issue though. Nintendo is marketing this as their entry into the next gen when what they're really doing, in my eyes anyway, is slowly catching up to what we have. I don't normally care for the graphics either but this late into the game, when someone releases a new console, I expect to see a jump, not the same stuff we've been seeing for the last few years.

And part of the reason why I was in love with Nintendo and why the Wii and now, the Wii U, has failed to impress me is precisely that they have this huge stable of first party IPs that I love that they do nothing with. Where's Starfox? Where's F-Zero? Mario has been the only franchise that Nintendo has been, for lack of a better term, 'milking' for the Wii and now when they had a chance to impress with the Wii U, they go back to Mario.

Posted by DarthOrange

Jesus dude add some pictures or something, that wall of text is gross and unimpressive. Perhaps I don't have to be impressed. Because you don't seem to want to impress me, anyway. :P

As for you blog post, that first line explained everything:

We've been dealing with the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 for far too long now. Seriously. About 7 years in and save for a few games (I'm looking at you Last of Us and Halo 4), the current generation of consoles haven't been able to facilitate games that are interesting anymore.

That is one massive opinion that I disagree with. I am still very much interested in the games that are coming out this year (not Halo 4 though). The here and now is pretty great, it sounds like you are just tired of videogames.

As for the WiiU, it looks pretty good to me. Games like New Super Mario Bros. U and Scribblenauts Unlimited look awesome, as does ZombiU.

The thing I really want to see is Nintendo bust out some new IP's. What was the last new Nintendo character made? Pikmin? How the hell am I supposed to get hyped for a new Smash Bros. if they have already used up their entire cast and their are no new first party characters to add?

Posted by Zereta

@awesomeusername said:

@Ace829 said:

Confirmed.

Bam! Learn something new everyday! Why the hell would they say they have no list of confirmed games then?

Precisely. I have no idea what the hell is going on over there at Nintendo but god damn, the messaging coming out for this is ridiculous.

Posted by awesomeusername

@Ace829 said:

Confirmed.

Bam! Learn something new everyday! Why the hell would they say they have no list of confirmed games then?

Posted by Brandino

If you care about specs then may i suggest not buying any consoles and just buying a PC.

As someone who just loves playing video games i am absolutely excited for the Wii-U because Nintendo has a ton of first party IPs that i just love. I don't care what the specs are, i don't care if it won't measure up with PS4/XBOX3 because i am not into this whole console war bullshit. I don't care what system has prettier graphics i just care about the games.

Posted by Ace829
@awesomeusername said:

@Ace829 said:

@EXTomar said:

Who is measuring par? Spec wars are boring. The best reason to wait on the WiiU is that the launch lineup is "bleh".

Rayman Legends, NSMBU, Darksiders 2, Epic Mickey 2, and ZombiU is a bleh launch line-up? You wouldn't mind sharing whatever you're smoking? But seriously, why do you say that? I think it's one of the best launch line-ups I've seen since the Dreamcast.

Besides NSMBU (and Nintendoland), none of those are confirmed for the Wii U's launch. They're coming out between launch and the 5 months after that. So he has a point, which means I have a point.

Confirmed.
Posted by awesomeusername

@Ace829 said:

@EXTomar said:

Who is measuring par? Spec wars are boring. The best reason to wait on the WiiU is that the launch lineup is "bleh".

Rayman Legends, NSMBU, Darksiders 2, Epic Mickey 2, and ZombiU is a bleh launch line-up? You wouldn't mind sharing whatever you're smoking? But seriously, why do you say that? I think it's one of the best launch line-ups I've seen since the Dreamcast.

Besides NSMBU (and Nintendoland), none of those are confirmed for the Wii U's launch. They're coming out between launch and the 5 months after that. So he has a point, which means I have a point.

Posted by MikeGosot
@banishedsoul1 said:

its not on par with what we have today. It has 2gbs of ram thats 8 times what ps3 has. It also has a new power7 that can do 12 threads of code at once.

Source?
Posted by Ace829

@EXTomar said:

Who is measuring par? Spec wars are boring. The best reason to wait on the WiiU is that the launch lineup is "bleh".

Rayman Legends, NSMBU, Darksiders 2, Epic Mickey 2, and ZombiU is a bleh launch line-up? You wouldn't mind sharing whatever you're smoking? But seriously, why do you say that? I think it's one of the best launch line-ups I've seen since the Dreamcast.

Edited by awesomeusername

I stopped liking Nintendo games long ago. Gamecube was the last great thing from them. Don't have a Wii and never wanted one. The Wii U looks like a poop console, but that's because I'm biased. But putting my bias to the side, the Wii U still looks boring. Their lineup like you just said, is pitiful. All they're doing right now is "Hey guys! We got this console we really want you to buy! We don't know what games will be available launch day and we obviously don't plan on telling you what's inside this thing like media apps, online integration, and all that other snazz. But we want you to buy it so go pre-order! k thnx baii"

Posted by EXTomar

Who is measuring par? Spec wars are boring. The best reason to wait on the WiiU is that the launch lineup is "bleh".

Posted by banishedsoul1

its not on par with what we have today. It has 2gbs of ram thats 8 times what ps3 has. It also has a new power7 that can do 12 threads of code at once.

Posted by Zereta

We've been dealing with the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 for far too long now. Seriously. About 7 years in and save for a few games (I'm looking at you Last of Us and Halo 4), the current generation of consoles haven't been able to facilitate games that are interesting anymore.

We've come to a point where, for the most part, creativity has run dry. At least once a month, we get a first person shooter with a level based, experience points driven multiplayer progression system. Companies are afraid to release new IPs, sticking to what works and squeezing as much as they can out of their existing properties. Introducing let-generation motion controlling devices with the aim to enhance the longevity of their consoles, only to be extremely lacklustre. We've come to a point where Sony and Microsoft need to, and are in the midst of, working on the 'Next Generation' of consoles. And it took longer than usual for them. 7 years isn't that bad.

Unfortunately, in my eyes, Nintendo dropped off the game way earlier than that.

The Wii had a lot of promise. A crazy new way to play games was its promise and people were skeptical. Fortunately for Nintendo, Wii Sports, what became the Wii's flagship title, was such a phenomenon that the Wii sold gangbusters. Even today, I look at the Wii and what it had at launch and I'm surprised it managed to survive past that. But they got through it and slowly we got the games that we wanted.

Super Mario Galaxy. A New Mario. Check. Super Smash Bros Brawl. Check. Metroid Prime 3. Check.

But even then, I felt no compulsion to get a Wii because it just wan't very exciting. Out of the gate, it was failing to live up to its potential. Red Steel was a wash, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess really failed to impress much and besides the swarm of party games and casual games, the Wii, I felt, never really spoke to me.

Good for Nintendo, I suppose. Their console, seen to be the most casual out of the Big 3, proved to be very successful for the company. I was happy for Nintendo, even if they weren't making me happy. And then E3 2010 happened.

Oh man. Donkey Kong! Kirby! Mario Sports Mix! Goldeneye! Epic Mickey! Zelda!

Suddenly, it all clicked. Nintendo was exciting me and there were enough amazing games in the back catalog that it now made sense to me to get a Wii and delve into all those games. Suddenly, it seemed like Nintendo was back! They knew who their audience was, knew what their audience wanted! And they were coming back with a vengeance! I played those games, I had a great time. I was so, so satisfied. It could only go up from there, right?

About a month and a half before E3 2011, we started hearing rumours about "Project Cafe", Nintendo's next console.

Wait, what? Next gen? The next step in the evolution of gaming. A Gamecube to Wii like leap? Damn straight, I was excited.

E3 2011 comes by and the Wii U is revealed. Not the name I would have chosen, but sure. Still very early and all they showed were tech demos. But the promise of the tablet controller and the second screen was exciting. And god damn, the graphics on that Legend of Zelda demo... that truly was next gen. The gameplay possibilities, the "next generation" graphics and the promise they made at E3 2011 that the Wii U will mark the return of Nintendo's appeal to the 'hardcore' gamer: It all sounded great and I was ready to jump onboard the Nintendo train. E3 2012 would be amazing. The Wii U will signal the start of a glorious new generation of console gaming.

Aaaaand E3 2012. Watching the press conference at about 1am in the morning on a live stream, wrapped in my blanket, I didn't exactly know what was going on. Pikmin 3 was a good start. Another New Super Mario Bros? Its getting a bit old but okay sure, I like Mario. Rayman Legends? Sweet!

But nothing else. No price. No release date. No clear indication of what else the console had in store. No real exciting game announcements. All I was left with was Nintendoland and an overly long, heavily armoured out version of a game that I had played and finished a year ago that actually looked worse than it did then. Graphically, there was nothing "next generational" about it. Power wise, the reports were saying that it was similar to the Xbox 360 and PS3. And again, at the biggest gaming event of the year, Nintendo had no games to show.

Fast forward to yesterday. Nintendo holds a conference for the Wii U. Price, release date, games blowout. This would be Nintendo's chance to show us that the Wii U would be worth giving a damn about.

I'm not sure how everyone else feels, but I am still unmoved.

1. The Price. $300 for the standard and $350 for the Deluxe? For a console that power wise is on par with what we have today? Where the bulk of the cost seems to come from the amazingly (expensive) priced Wii U gamepad (estimated $170 based on conversion from Yen). I'm not sure what Nintendo's strategy is here but they've felt what happens when you overprice before, with the Nintendo 3DS. Hell, they've even commented following that debacle saying that they've learnt a lesson about pricing that they will apply to the Wii U. Then, what happened? We live in a day and age where gaming is most popular on a tablets and smartphones, where people are expecting to pay less for their games. And here we have a relatively featureless game console with lacklustre power at a $300 price point? How is that attractive?

2. The games. Surprisingly enough, some of the announcements that came out of this were not too bad. Bayonetta 2 as a Wii U exclusive? Thats an amazing get! Black Ops 2 on the Wii U. Really smart and very interesting. Even Nintendoland was starting to look a bit more exciting with Metroid Blast.

And then Reggie comes on stage and says "Besides New Super Mario Bros. U and Nintendoland, we can't confirm any other games for launch"

What? Here we are, mere months away from launch, and you don't know what games are coming out for launch. You can't tell? Instead you give us the expansive 'launch window', a 5 month window for 50 announced games to come out. Firstly, a launch window is the time immediately after launch, not something that spans for half a year. And secondly, how can you not know what games your platform is going to have in about 2 months? Surely, for your flagship console, you would be more concerned about getting games out on time, yes?

3. Features. Nintendo TVii (Amazingly ridiculous name, but thats besides the point) seems like a neat feature but that alone is not enough to carry your console. I mean look at Microsoft and Sony. They have the media partners now, they have a wide catalog of games and their online capabilities are outstanding. We still pretty much have no idea how online games operate on the Wii U besides the promise that there is online.

And, really, as I sit here typing this out, I just feel bummed out, just so very bummed out. Because the Wii U should be this big magnificent thing! Its Nintendo's new console! Its the first shot in the Next-Gen console arms race. And all we have is a weak console that runs on par with current-gen consoles, made by a company who, frankly speaking, doesn't really know what its doing. Sure its got some games, sure it has some media functionality. But... thats it?

Nintendo is playing catch up, and even then, its not doing a very good job. Microsoft and Sony figured online gaming out. They figured media services out. They figured out how to get new and exciting games out on their consoles. And they're doing it now. They've been doing it for the last couple of years. And Nintendo is still struggling to get there.

And even if in the next year, the Wii U manages to build up some momentum, we'd probably have seen Microsoft's Durango and Sony's Orbis by then. Pushing console gaming further. And the Wii U will be stuck in the same place the Wii was: Outdated, outmatched, with no one really wanting to make games on it other than Nintendo.

Its not that Wii that has failed to impress me. Its not the Wii U that has failed to impress me. Its Nintendo. And its not that I don't want to be impressed. I want to love the crap out of what Nintendo is doing. But, to me, it seems like Nintendo doesn't share the same sentiments and until they do, I might have to skip Nintendo's console for another generation.

But it doesn't matter, I guess. Wii U's come bundled with Monster Hunter in Japan. Which means, just like the Wii, the Wii U will sell very, very well. And if thats all Nintendo's after, then perhaps I don't have to be impressed. Because they don't seem to want to impress me, anyway.