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Edited by Manhattan_Project

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

Edit: To clarify (From a later post):

I never said I would kill the weak or the old or children. You help people but theres a fucking limit. I just didn't feel like carrying around an idiot who consistently fucks up and gets people killed anymore. Plus that asshole left Clementine to die which also lead to someone else dying, bringing his death count to six.

So, again, FUCK BEN.

Posted by ragbag

5% club at the end!

Posted by Hef

Fuck Ben and clem will learn to deal. I let him drop and smiled the whole time.

Posted by nasseh

@Meltac: Yeah, I hid it too, and immediately afterwards I felt like the biggest ass. I don't know what the fuck was going through my head. Oh well, at least Kenny still came along for the final ride.

Edited by Tarsier

@Efesell said:

I love this series but man it's just getting a bit draining.

Stories need to have a upswing at some point..right?

no, you just need to realize that its going nowhere. these people who write these shows arent paid to make great stories. theyre paid to make characters that go through situations each episode that dont really lead any where but allow them to keep watchers invested and interested. then at the end you get shat on , if you lasted that long, when you realize it really wasnt ever leading anywhere at all.

Posted by xbob42

@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

Go back to Crawford!

Posted by jakob187
  • Had Kenny kill the boy in the attic
  • Didn't threaten Vernon
  • Took Clem with me to Crawford
  • Let Ben die like the traitor he was
  • Showed them the bite
  • Lee, Kenny, Omid, Christa

I'm loving this game's story so far. It's so well-written. I'm not going to lie: Kenny has really been pissing me off. Nonetheless, I know that he also pulls through more often than not, and I know that he cares about Clem just as much as I do. Plus, he's been a parent. He can (at least I hope) care for a child when I'm gone.

Then again, Ryan's words were something along the lines of Episode 5 feeling like a pistol was dry-firing right into his fucking soul...so I'm assuming shit goes BAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

Posted by 2HeadedNinja

@Beck said:

Is there something wrong the choices in the video? The first two, even though it says the majority did one of the options, the video played the other one.

It's probably where they voted on if he stays or not. I voted for him so I dont know for sure.

Posted by Zacagawea

Man, this looks so much better on PC

Posted by Milkman

@Zacagawea said:

Man, this looks so much better on PC

Noticed this too. First thing I thought watching this was "Wow, why doesn't my game look this good?"

Posted by Smuglittleman

@Efesell said:

I love this series but man it's just getting a bit draining.

Stories need to have a upswing at some point..right?

I guess you never read The Walking Dead comic.

Posted by crusader8463

I saved Ben but the only reason I did was because I don't care for him and outright dislike him to be honest. My line of thinking is that at some point in the future I will need to have someone to use as cannon fodder or need to sacrifice someone to do something so having him around will make that choice easy and I won't have to lose someone who is an actually productive member of the team.

Posted by meaninoflife42

I am the 5%

Posted by GooieGreen

I haven't played this game at all, but now I'm totally interested knowing about the last scene. Awesome stuff!

Posted by Xeirus

@Milkman said:

@Zacagawea said:

Man, this looks so much better on PC

Noticed this too. First thing I thought watching this was "Wow, why doesn't my game look this good?"

I've never seen it on anything other than PC. I can't imagine it looking bad, that would have ruined episode 2 for me.

Posted by Khaaaaaan

I have loved this game so far. Can't wait for the next episode.

Posted by mrcraggle

@Branthog: Had the same thing happen to me after I didn't side with him in Ep 2 when you're trapped in the room. Since then, he has been pretty cold towards me.

I just completed ep 4 last night though and the stats were completely different from what they showed here :S

Posted by DeathByWaffle

Let Ben drop and I feel bad about it. To be fair, he got a lot of people killed and it seemed like he wanted to sacrifice himself. Still, feels like a "wrong" thing to do.

Omid and Christa are coming with me, Kenny ditched me. I backed him when he was making good points, but a lot of times he was unreasonable so I didn't support him.

Posted by chilipeppersman

im part of the 62%

Posted by Nettacki
@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

Looks like you're one of those dudes who deserve to be in Crawford and have all that shit happen to you.
Posted by thebunnyhunter

All this did was piss me off that no one went with me......bitter till the end.

Posted by Terramagi

I'm curious what "let Crawford take care of him" meant.

I saved Ben. I tried to appeal to Kenny. I only regret one of those situations, and it doesn't involve a belltower.

Posted by Bourbon_Warrior

Kenny and I to the end.

Posted by DorkyMohr

These videos a kind of weird in that they're promotional material for episodes of the game that should ONLY be watched by people who have already completed them. I guess they're technically promo videos for the next episode in the series but it's just interesting that they can promo a new ep with 0 footage of it.

Posted by KamikazeCaterpillar

Ben had to go and I was glad to drop his ass. That fucker got the best shot of the whole group killed because he couldn't stand up for himself.

Posted by zipperface

Telling Kenny to fuck off was the best part of episode 4, damn that felt good.

Edited by Manhattan_Project

@Nettacki said:

@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

Looks like you're one of those dudes who deserve to be in Crawford and have all that shit happen to you.

I never said I would kill the weak or the old or children. You help people but theres a fucking limit. I just didn't feel like carrying around an idiot who consistently fucks up and gets people killed anymore. Plus that asshole left Clementine to die which also lead to someone else dying, bringing his death count to six.

So, again, FUCK BEN.

Edited by SuperJoe

67% threatened Vernon?

Edit: Just replayed the ending to make sure I wasn't imagining things (PC version):

Ben is my BFF. That's my punishment for hiding the bite.

Posted by Manhattan_Project

@xbob42 said:

@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

Go back to Crawford!

Read my previous reply.

Posted by BeachThunder

It crazy to me that so many people chose to take Clem to a place that kills children - or maybe I'm just a bad person for telling her to stay...

Posted by bigstrat2003

@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

What are you talking about? Ben definitely did not (that I can remember) get anyone killed.

Besides which, even if he did that's not the point. Morality shouldn't go out the window just because it's a zombie apocalypse. You say you wouldn't do the things that Crawford did, but honestly? Letting someone die because they're not holding up their end is just as bad. Make them leave the group, sure. But not outright murder.

Posted by pdawg17

@Meltac said:

I hid my bite, but I kind of regret it now. It just seemed like the best option at the time. And I am going by myself to save Clem, but I love all of the combinations of characters there are.

I hid it too...not sure why I did but that's what I love about this game...no one is coming with me either...that's fine because it's a reminder that there are no REAL friends in a zombie apocalypse...

What I'm curious to see is how they handle all the different group combinations for episode 5...it's very possible that Lee will get isolated from the group early on and it won't make a bit of difference what happened at the end of episode 4...

Posted by amp_1986

Wow, I've been in the minority on almost every choice in the last two episodes.

Posted by BlatantNinja23

Really can't stand the voice acting in this game, it was enough for me to not continue on. After watching this video I'm happy I made that choice.

Posted by Bourbon_Warrior

When is episode 5, GIMME GIMME GIMME!

Posted by AcidBrandon18

I had Ben stay and guard the boat while everyone else came with me. Ben can't fuck that up, right?

Posted by SpasticHeathen
@bigstrat2003 said:

@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

What are you talking about? Ben definitely did not (that I can remember) get anyone killed.

Besides which, even if he did that's not the point. Morality shouldn't go out the window just because it's a zombie apocalypse. You say you wouldn't do the things that Crawford did, but honestly? Letting someone die because they're not holding up their end is just as bad. Make them leave the group, sure. But not outright murder.

Spoilers ahead of everything to this point (People'll complain about anything)...
 
Ben is the catalyst for the events leading up to the bandit attack in Episode 3 that gets Duck bitten as he made an agreement with the bandits without telling the rest of the group.  Ben doesn't confess when confronted by Lilly, getting Doug or Carly killed in the process.  Kat shoots herself in the head before Duck turns.  Ben, when swarmed by zombies, abandons Clementine in episode 4 and forces Chuck to intervene and subsequently gets separated from the group which leads to Chuck's death.  Ben then proceeds to get Brie killed by taking the hatchet that was keeping the doors jarred, allowing them to come right on in. 
 
 TL;DR, yes, his constant blunders all led to five deaths in your group.

@Terramagi said:

I'm curious what "let Crawford take care of him" meant.

I saved Ben. I tried to appeal to Kenny. I only regret one of those situations, and it doesn't involve a belltower.

 
Probably letting the timer expire?
Posted by RoyaleWifCheese

Kenny and I have pretty much been on the outs since he killed Lilly's father.

Now, he's the only friend I have left. He's my ride or die.

Edited by Manhattan_Project

@bigstrat2003 said:

@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

What are you talking about? Ben definitely did not (that I can remember) get anyone killed.

Besides which, even if he did that's not the point. Morality shouldn't go out the window just because it's a zombie apocalypse. You say you wouldn't do the things that Crawford did, but honestly? Letting someone die because they're not holding up their end is just as bad. Make them leave the group, sure. But not outright murder.

Ben talked to the bandits and stole from the group which leads to:

  • Liily going full blown crazy
  • Duck getting bitten while the group was escaping

He then failed to take reponsibility for his actions leading to:

  • Crazy Lilly shooting Carly in the head
  • Me having to leave Lilly behind

Death Count so far: 2

Then Duck died and Katjaa killed herself.

Death Count So far: 4

In the next episode, when the walkers attack the group, he leaves Clem behind as some walkers close in. Thankfully, Chuck decides to sacrifice himself to save Clem and help the group escape.

Death Count so far: 5

Later on in the episode, he removes the hatchet that is keeping the school doors closed, letting walkers inside.

He then decides that in the middle of this life and death situation, he's gonna tell Kenny how its his fault Duck and Katjaa are dead. While the group is deciding whether to leave him or not, the walkers break through the door and rip Bries intestines out.

Final Death Count: 6

Its not about him not holding up his end, its about him actively causing the deaths of multiple people. He was terrible for the group, and he knew it. Thats why he asked to be dropped, and I eagerly obliged.

FUCK BEN.

Posted by Kebrel

@SpasticHeathen:

@Manhattan_Project:

Yea that right! Lets blame Ben for the world being fucked up and for everyone's deaths. Everybody needs a scapegoat and I agree Ben really fits the bill, but doesn't mean it is what I think is right.

Ben may cost the group the safety of the Motel but he didn't make Lily go crazy that was her own issue. Nor did he shoot duck, that was bandits being bandits (They probably would have attacked eventually). Abandoning Clementine? Sure that was a fuck up, but taking the Hatchet? They were not at the door any more and he needed a proper tool. Me? Don't like Ben more trouble then he has contributed but in no way is he not worth saving by virtue alone of he has two legs, two arms and can carry stuff for the rest.

Posted by SpasticHeathen

@Kebrel said:

@SpasticHeathen:

@Manhattan_Project:

Yea that right! Lets blame Ben for the world being fucked up and for everyone's deaths. Everybody needs a scapegoat and I agree Ben really fits the bill, but doesn't mean it is what I think is right.

Ben may cost the group the safety of the Motel but he didn't make Lily go crazy that was her own issue. Nor did he shoot duck, that was bandits being bandits (They probably would have attacked eventually). Abandoning Clementine? Sure that was a fuck up, but taking the Hatchet? They were not at the door any more and he needed a proper tool. Me? Don't like Ben more trouble then he has contributed but in no way is he not worth saving by virtue alone of he has two legs, two arms and can carry stuff for the rest.

TLDR; no one's ever accountable for their actions. Got it.

Posted by GioVANNI

Kenny not sticking with me made me so angry. I sided with Kenny is basically every decision, I fed his family the last of our food, I always reasoned with him and gave him the benefit of the doubt and then he just bounces saying that I never stuck up for him.

Fuck Kenny

Posted by Manhattan_Project

@Kebrel said:

@SpasticHeathen:

@Manhattan_Project:

Yea that right! Lets blame Ben for the world being fucked up and for everyone's deaths. Everybody needs a scapegoat and I agree Ben really fits the bill, but doesn't mean it is what I think is right.

Ben may cost the group the safety of the Motel but he didn't make Lily go crazy that was her own issue. Nor did he shoot duck, that was bandits being bandits (They probably would have attacked eventually). Abandoning Clementine? Sure that was a fuck up, but taking the Hatchet? They were not at the door any more and he needed a proper tool. Me? Don't like Ben more trouble then he has contributed but in no way is he not worth saving by virtue alone of he has two legs, two arms and can carry stuff for the rest.

Lilly was depressed as hell and hated Kenny, but she trusted Lee and only started distrusting the others when she saw supplies where missing because Ben decided to go behind the groups back and steal supplies for the bandits, instead of letting the group know and making a decision as a group.

But even if you say he didn't push her over the edge (which he clearly did) he still failed to take responsibility and got Carly killed.

As for the hatchet, who the fuck takes a hatchet that is keeping a door locked? Nobody with half a brain does. At least not without replacing it with something.

The ability to carry stuff doesn't make up for multiple deaths.

(And again, he almost got Clem killed.)

Edited by Nightfang

I voted to kick Ben out of the group, but saved him and bought everybody with me.

Edited by LegendaryChopChop

@GioVANNI said:

Kenny not sticking with me made me so angry. I sided with Kenny is basically every decision, I fed his family the last of our food, I always reasoned with him and gave him the benefit of the doubt and then he just bounces saying that I never stuck up for him.

Fuck Kenny

This happened to me too. I didn't side with him over Lilly's father and his senseless murdering, but I felt like he owed it to me for Duck and everything else.

And since Ben is an issue now, yes I saved him, but not because I think he's a good person. Hell, his ineptitude basically killed half of the group, but I saved him for Clementine's sake by her saying she's his friend. Although I resent him for abandoning Clementine during the attack AND lying so much about the drug issue.

Posted by Morden2261

Clementine is my number one priority and Ben repeatedly fucked up on watching out for her and it was just luck she didn't end up dead. Maybe it'll come back to haunt me, but I let him drop in the bell tower because no way in hell was I risking my own life and my ability to protect Clementine just to save Ben's unreliable ass.

Posted by VooDooPC

Fuck Ben, fuck Kenny. Lee and Clem 4 Life! That's all I gotta say about that!

Posted by patrick

LET BEN GO

YALLS WEAK

Posted by umdesch4

Geez, there must be bigger differences in the playthroughs than I thought. My Kenny, even though I've tried to take his side more often than not, is the guy who has smashed me in the head and left me to die, slammed a door on me when we were all trying to escape, and attempted to throw me to the zombies at least once an episode. The least offensive of my interactions with him have been where he merely chokes up instead of saving me, as opposed to outright trying to get me killed.

Dunno how it's played for other people, but he's pissed me off roughly as much as Ben, who's just an idiot who makes bad decisions that get people killed.

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