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Posted by Metric_Outlaw

@Morden2261 said:

Clementine is my number one priority and Ben repeatedly fucked up on watching out for her and it was just luck she didn't end up dead. Maybe it'll come back to haunt me, but I let him drop in the bell tower because no way in hell was I risking my own life and my ability to protect Clementine just to save Ben's unreliable ass.

I still feel like Ben is kind of the every man in the series though. If an actual apocalypse I doubt anyone here would be as good and noble as Lee is. We'd all fuck up and Ben never did any of it to hurt anyone. He only tried to help.

Posted by Sevenout

I also think its a little harsh to let Ben fall to the bottom of a clock tower and get eaten by zombies. He wasn't a bad person, just really stupid.

That being sad, I was more than happy to let him ride the pine on my suicide mission for Clem. You watch this boat real good Ben, we'll be back in a couple of hours.

Posted by smokyexe

Not a single of my decisions match the popular decisions. Oh well.

Edited by pleasedaddyno

wow. between this, dayZ streams, and various TV shows like Revolution, and Walking Dead, i have come to the conclusion should there be even a hint of an apocalypse, i should stockpile food, drink, medicine, but most importantly, lots and lots of guns and ammo. lots and lots of ammo. and then whenever strangers yell, "friendly!" i am yelling back, "i'm a decent cook!" --with a silenced m16 behind my back-- so they know i am indispensable in this age of dreaded tinned food and energy bars and therefore not fodder or useless or something to be dropped, literally. edit: giant bomb HQ has all that mailbag candy and drinks...it would make a pretty good camp...

Edited by mattymjp

I think it says something for the emotional attachment people have developed to the characters in this game when 80% of us chose to tell that we had been bitten rather than choose the selfish and self-preserving route of keeping it a secret. Most people care more about the other characters in the game than they do their own character, how many other games have achieved that? Ico?

If the last choice in episode 5 isn't 'kill yourself / don't kill yourself' then I'll be very surprised.

Posted by Moosey

Bet Episode 5 going to have some serious twist coming!

Edited by AndrewB

@Moosey said:

Bet Episode 5 going to have some serious twist coming!

It was Earth all along!

Humanity *was* the zombie!

I'm with the "fuck Kenny" crowd.

I feel like I had his back in every moment where it felt sane to do so, and all he does for me is keep the boat warm.
Posted by smokyexe

@mattymjp: Everything you said i was thinking when i DIDN'T show i was bitten. I didn't want anybody to worry about me so that we all stay focused because of Clem

Posted by oneidwille

I was a "6 percent-er" when it was still cool. I don't understand this 10% world we live in now.

Posted by bigstrat2003

@Manhattan_Project said:

@bigstrat2003 said:

@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

What are you talking about? Ben definitely did not (that I can remember) get anyone killed.

Besides which, even if he did that's not the point. Morality shouldn't go out the window just because it's a zombie apocalypse. You say you wouldn't do the things that Crawford did, but honestly? Letting someone die because they're not holding up their end is just as bad. Make them leave the group, sure. But not outright murder.

Ben talked to the bandits and stole from the group which leads to:

  • Liily going full blown crazy
  • Duck getting bitten while the group was escaping

He then failed to take reponsibility for his actions leading to:

  • Crazy Lilly shooting Carly in the head
  • Me having to leave Lilly behind

Death Count so far: 2

Then Duck died and Katjaa killed herself.

Death Count So far: 4

In the next episode, when the walkers attack the group, he leaves Clem behind as some walkers close in. Thankfully, Chuck decides to sacrifice himself to save Clem and help the group escape.

Death Count so far: 5

Later on in the episode, he removes the hatchet that is keeping the school doors closed, letting walkers inside.

He then decides that in the middle of this life and death situation, he's gonna tell Kenny how its his fault Duck and Katjaa are dead. While the group is deciding whether to leave him or not, the walkers break through the door and rip Bries intestines out.

Final Death Count: 6

Its not about him not holding up his end, its about him actively causing the deaths of multiple people. He was terrible for the group, and he knew it. Thats why he asked to be dropped, and I eagerly obliged.

FUCK BEN.

Out of all those, precisely ONE of them is on Ben. For the episode 3 stuff, if you're going to assign blame to people who are that indirectly responsible, then you should be blaming Kenny for staying at the motel in the first place. He also didn't get Brie killed. Everyone had a hand in that. Could they have not argued about Ben while zombies were swarming in? Yep. Did they bother to do so? Nope.

You're putting all this shit on Ben, but at BEST he has a partial responsibility in any one of those situations. The only thing that was well and truly his fault was Chuck's death.

And even if you weren't wrong about those other deaths, it still doesn't matter. Murdering him (and yes, choosing to let him die is murder) because he's a poor member of the group is morally reprehensible. As I said, it isn't any better than the stuff Crawford was doing.

Posted by bigstrat2003

@SpasticHeathen said:

Spoilers ahead of everything to this point (People'll complain about anything)...

Ben is the catalyst for the events leading up to the bandit attack in Episode 3 that gets Duck bitten as he made an agreement with the bandits without telling the rest of the group. Ben doesn't confess when confronted by Lilly, getting Doug or Carly killed in the process. Kat shoots herself in the head before Duck turns. Ben, when swarmed by zombies, abandons Clementine in episode 4 and forces Chuck to intervene and subsequently gets separated from the group which leads to Chuck's death. Ben then proceeds to get Brie killed by taking the hatchet that was keeping the doors jarred, allowing them to come right on in.

TL;DR, yes, his constant blunders all led to five deaths in your group.

Yeah, no. That stuff (except Chuck's death) isn't on Ben. His agreement with the bandits, even if you want to play the indirect blame game, was only possible because Kenny insisted on staying at the motel in the first place. Lily was unhinged from day 1, and it's not Ben's fault that she's a murdering bitch. He didn't pull that trigger. Ben also didn't get Brie killed, that was an unfortunate circumstance (because say what you will about him, it is not believable that he took the hatchet out while zombies were literally pounding the door in, so it must have seemed safe at the time). That circumstance was then made worse by everyone choosing to sit and argue about whether or not Ben should stay in the group, rather than getting the fuck out cause zombies.

He's a kid and he makes dumb mistakes, and he cracks under pressure, but he most definitely has not gotten 5 people killed. It isn't justified to murder him because he isn't a good member of the group.

Edited by Jaccubin

So revealing the bite is supposedly an awful decision or does this video just have a really dumb title?

Posted by BigSteve1983

I'm actually shocked/suprised how many people actually save Ben. For me he was the poorest member of not only the group but the worse character in the game. So yeah getting to watch him fall to his death was perhaps the most rewarding moment in the first season of this game.

Oh yeah when Episode 5 comes out, I expect Omid and Christian to probably ending up dying to my character not caring any more.

Posted by Manhattan_Project

@bigstrat2003 said:

@SpasticHeathen said:

Spoilers ahead of everything to this point (People'll complain about anything)...

Ben is the catalyst for the events leading up to the bandit attack in Episode 3 that gets Duck bitten as he made an agreement with the bandits without telling the rest of the group. Ben doesn't confess when confronted by Lilly, getting Doug or Carly killed in the process. Kat shoots herself in the head before Duck turns. Ben, when swarmed by zombies, abandons Clementine in episode 4 and forces Chuck to intervene and subsequently gets separated from the group which leads to Chuck's death. Ben then proceeds to get Brie killed by taking the hatchet that was keeping the doors jarred, allowing them to come right on in.

TL;DR, yes, his constant blunders all led to five deaths in your group.

Yeah, no. That stuff (except Chuck's death) isn't on Ben. His agreement with the bandits, even if you want to play the indirect blame game, was only possible because Kenny insisted on staying at the motel in the first place. Lily was unhinged from day 1, and it's not Ben's fault that she's a murdering bitch. He didn't pull that trigger. Ben also didn't get Brie killed, that was an unfortunate circumstance (because say what you will about him, it is not believable that he took the hatchet out while zombies were literally pounding the door in, so it must have seemed safe at the time). That circumstance was then made worse by everyone choosing to sit and argue about whether or not Ben should stay in the group, rather than getting the fuck out cause zombies.

He's a kid and he makes dumb mistakes, and he cracks under pressure, but he most definitely has not gotten 5 people killed. It isn't justified to murder him because he isn't a good member of the group.

He's the catalyst for at least five deaths. And yes, his lack of responsibility did get Carly killed. He could have spoken up and decided not too. As for Brie, he not only let the zombies (again, who the fuck takes the hatchet without at least replacing it? Nobody with an ounce of intelligence) who tear her apart in, but Ben also decided that situation was the best time to tell an already broken man, that he was responsible for the death of the only family he had left. If you wanna forgive him for that, fine. But I was done risking the group.

The best thing Ben did was realize how much he fucked up and that it wasn't worth it to risk yet another person for him.

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And to everyone claiming everything would be the same after some sort national disaster, you're bullshitting yourself.

Posted by dingazwok

im gonna skip episode 4 and juist play 5

Edited by chilibean_3

I saved him but Ben just plain sucks. Y'all who are defending him are just as insane as the people who think having Kenny kill a child helps him work out his issues.

I didn't show the bite and walked away alone. Everybody else sucks. If you want something done right you have to do it yourself.

Posted by MeatSim

I gotta lot of catching up to do.

Posted by Zirilius

I don't know how many times Fuck Kenny has been said but here is one more. I was glad to leave him behind in the search for Clem. I hope there is a scene where he asks for help and you can just leave him to fend for himself just like he did every time I needed his help.

Posted by Derios

These are the hard hitting, emotional decisions that everyone has been making a big deal over? Not trying to be cynical or whatever but a little underwhelmed.

Posted by Patman99

@chilibean_3 said:

I saved him but Ben just plain sucks. Y'all who are defending him are just as insane as the people who think having Kenny kill a child helps him work out his issues.

I didn't show the bite and walked away alone. Everybody else sucks. If you want something done right you have to do it yourself.

I agree. Ben is a complete dumbass. I ended up taking a posse with me but they are all kinda fail in their own way. I like Lee and I like Clem, but the rest seem like assholes. Except Omid, he seems alright.

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Edited by Vigil80

@bigstrat2003 said:

And even if you weren't wrong about those other deaths, it still doesn't matter. Murdering him (and yes, choosing to let him die is murder) because he's a poor member of the group is morally reprehensible. As I said, it isn't any better than the stuff Crawford was doing.

Yup. One of the main themes of The Walking Dead is fighting to keep your humanity versus allowing a world full of monsters to turn you into a monster. It's reflected in everything, including Clementine. (No surprise there's a shortage of humanity on the internet, though.)

Crawford, the village built on "remove anyone who is a nuisance," is eaten up by zombies before we even see it despite the brilliant strategy.

Even if you don't like Ben, he's still more useful alive if only as another warm body for zombies to chase. Safety in the herd. :P

Posted by SpasticHeathen
@Vigil80 said:

@bigstrat2003 said:

And even if you weren't wrong about those other deaths, it still doesn't matter. Murdering him (and yes, choosing to let him die is murder) because he's a poor member of the group is morally reprehensible. As I said, it isn't any better than the stuff Crawford was doing.

Yup. One of the main themes of The Walking Dead is fighting to keep your humanity versus allowing a world full of monsters to turn you into a monster. It's reflected in everything, including Clementine. (No surprise there's a shortage of humanity on the internet, though.)

I like how folks assume that people who realize Ben's more trouble than he's worth murdered him then and there in that clock tower.
Posted by Vigil80

@SpasticHeathen:

Yeah, don't know what you're getting at.

Posted by tourgen

Finally picked this game up last night. I missed the sale but oh well. I had to stop after the first episode. Wow it gets grim fast. I'll need to space the eps out.

Posted by nippletwist

Yeah i dropped Ben's ass too muhahahaha

Posted by LikeaSsur

"I know you have a gun pointed at my face, but I'm going to be the aggressive one anyway."

- Everyone that threatened Vernon.

Posted by CrashTanuki

Now I can finally see what the major options were since the game glitched and gave me percentages for "option 1", "option 2", and so on, which was the worst glitch so far that I've seen besides the darkness bug in the XBLA versions if you set your color range to anything but standard.

Posted by mrcraggle

@tourgen: I went in one after the other until ep 3. Then I needed a short break.

Posted by vinone

I want part 5 now...

Posted by arch4non

Fuck you, Kenny.

Posted by TheFantasticFillip

I'm in the fuck Kenny crowd. He was an unreasonable ass most of the series, and I did stand up for him when he needed it! I talked him down in the train, told him to have a drink with Chuck, shot Duck for him, and generally sided with him entirely after Lilly left.

Not to mention I chose to save Ben, and throughout the series chose the merciful path for the fates of tons of people. Meanwhile, he is leaving me to die in the convince store, trying to kick people out left and right, and worrying about his own ass. And he calls me selfish?

He best hope I don't get the option to kill his ass in episode 5.

Posted by Metiphis

@BeachThunder: It was take Clem, who when you do take her proves she is VERY profficent with a weapon when she nails a zombie in the head later on. Or leave her in a house alone... with an unoncious guy, where the creep on the walkie talkie knew EXACTLY where she was. (He was watching you bury the attic kid)

Posted by kvc

lol did anyone noticed they put Kenny to killed the boy instead of lee and when you go watch this yt they put lee killed the boy

Posted by Hulkamaniac

All I know is Molly better come back. I need someone to repopulate with since Lily killed my girl.

Posted by Shaanyboi

I told everyone about the bite, and they're all still with me to save Clem. Wouldn't have it any other way.

Edited by Nettacki
@Manhattan_Project: That's not the point. The point is in the end, you're not so different from the guys at Crawford. You let people that you perceive as weak and incompetent and disruptive to the group die so that only the best may live. You're losing your humanity in the face of these monsters as we speak!
Posted by Manhattan_Project

@Nettacki said:

@Manhattan_Project: That's not the point. The point is in the end, you're not so different from the guys at Crawford. You let people that you perceive as weak and incompetent and disruptive to the group die so that only the best may live. You're losing your humanity in the face of these monsters as we speak!

No I let one "walking mistake after mistake" die so that the group could survive. Because sometimes a fourth chance isn't an option.

Posted by enemymouse

I let Ben fall because he got my lady killed but then I felt bad. Kenny is a dick who doesn't appreciate the support I gave him time and time again.

Oh, and god help the people who are messing with Clem. I predict a 99% choice is coming somewhere in ep 5

Posted by Tricky69

@Beck said:

Is there something wrong the choices in the video? The first two, even though it says the majority did one of the options, the video played the other one.

I thought the same thing too. They definitely played out the wrong choice.

Posted by MuttersomeTaxicab

@Manhattan_Project said:

@bigstrat2003 said:

@Manhattan_Project said:

Why the hell are so many people on Bens side? Its the apocalypse not a damn charity. You contribute to the team or you DIE. Instead HE GOT FIVE PEOPLE KILLED!

FUCK BEN

What are you talking about? Ben definitely did not (that I can remember) get anyone killed.

Besides which, even if he did that's not the point. Morality shouldn't go out the window just because it's a zombie apocalypse. You say you wouldn't do the things that Crawford did, but honestly? Letting someone die because they're not holding up their end is just as bad. Make them leave the group, sure. But not outright murder.

Ben talked to the bandits and stole from the group which leads to:

  • Liily going full blown crazy
  • Duck getting bitten while the group was escaping

He then failed to take reponsibility for his actions leading to:

  • Crazy Lilly shooting Carly in the head
  • Me having to leave Lilly behind

Death Count so far: 2

Then Duck died and Katjaa killed herself.

Death Count So far: 4

In the next episode, when the walkers attack the group, he leaves Clem behind as some walkers close in. Thankfully, Chuck decides to sacrifice himself to save Clem and help the group escape.

Death Count so far: 5

Later on in the episode, he removes the hatchet that is keeping the school doors closed, letting walkers inside.

He then decides that in the middle of this life and death situation, he's gonna tell Kenny how its his fault Duck and Katjaa are dead. While the group is deciding whether to leave him or not, the walkers break through the door and rip Bries intestines out.

Final Death Count: 6

Its not about him not holding up his end, its about him actively causing the deaths of multiple people. He was terrible for the group, and he knew it. Thats why he asked to be dropped, and I eagerly obliged.

FUCK BEN.

Yep. I did that bit of mental math while he was dangling. For whatever reason, I still couldn't bring myself to drop him. Although, that's probably because Clem vouched for him. Also, if I had to guess why I saved him, it's because there's a huge gulf between understanding the consequences of your actions, and making a stupid decision with the best of intentions. The major cataclysmic event precipitated by Ben wasn't something he did of malice, but because everyone's in a shitty situation and he tried to do what he thought was right. Cowardice has cropped up a few times in this game and a few people have already gotten a pass on it (at least Kenny did in the first episode.) So, yeah, it's not like all is forgiven, and goddamn right Ben is coming with me at the end.

That said, being able to tell Kenny to fuck right off was a blissful moment. They really took the words right out of my mouth.

Posted by MayaMini

What kind of BS is this? Saving Ben is vital for the last episode. Leaving him to die is the mistake, not pulling him up!

Ugh people are so closeminded.

Posted by Undeadpool

Apparently a lot of people in the comments saw the way Crawford was being run and thought they were on the right track...

Edited by Arrested_Developer

Where did Clem get that Brooklyn sweater? She's not wearing that in my game.

Edit: Nevermind, it's from that car, I remember now.

Posted by el_stork

@MuttersomeTaxicab: You sir are a lucid and moral person. When the zombies come I want you by my side, though I can't say the same for some others in these comments.

Posted by super2j

except for the bite decision, I was in the minority in everything.