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Posted by Darji

@SniperXan said:

@Sweep: This isn't about sexism as a broad idea... it's about women being exploited. Your "Black people only allowed to get angry about racism" doesn't work here... I think your outrage is misplaced and very confusing.

This is not a woman. It is a torso. Just like this one here.

Except it was zombiefied

Posted by MMann

@Langly said:

@Sweep said:

@MMann said:

@Sweep said:

I don't understand why the opinions of women were actively sought out in this instance. Are their opinions somehow more valid? Are women entitled to be more insulted? Why is it a big deal that women are weighing in on this?

Because last time this issue was brought up a whole shit-tonne of people made comments saying that P.Klep should do some "real reporting" and go get feedback from actual women instead of just giving his opinion and treating the site like a livejournal.

So he did.

Now people are angry about that too.

Well those people are idiots. I didn't read the article, I'm offended by the principle behind it: You shouldn't be considered an authority on sexism just because you have a vagina. Are only black people allowed to be offended by racism? This is bullshit.

I don't understand why the fact that women have weighed in on this debate is worthy of some kind of ethical recognition and, honestly, I think it's pretty pathetic that it's being flaunted as such. Shame on you, Patrick.

How do you exist as a real person? How are you a moderator?

Did you note that the women who weighed in were in some way affiliated with the industry? That they might have a grasp on the issue in a wider context because they are always engulfed by it? Are you a complete idiot? Their opinion matters because they are constantly affected by the culture at large. And yes, you dumb jerk, people of color have more valid opinions on racism because they are actually affected by the culture of racism. It doesn't make a white person's opinion completely invalid. Women experience objectification and harassment and sexism in a way that you never will. That is what the word "privilege" means. It doesn't mean that you are necessarily financially or even professionally privileged it means that your place in society gives you certain privileges that are not available to people of color or women. You interact with the culture in a different way than they do.

So, yeah, the people actually affected by the culture have a more valid opinion on the situation than you do.

He's probably still just supermad that ZMF was given a top 10 and raging against the 'actually a member of GB crew and not just a forum janitor' machine.

Posted by Sweep

@Langly: If you can't take part in a discussion without insulting people then your ability to post is going to disappear.

@whatisdelicious said:

@Sweep said:

@MMann said:

@Sweep said:

I don't understand why the opinions of women were actively sought out in this instance. Are their opinions somehow more valid? Are women entitled to be more insulted? Why is it a big deal that women are weighing in on this?

Because last time this issue was brought up a whole shit-tonne of people made comments saying that P.Klep should do some "real reporting" and go get feedback from actual women instead of just giving his opinion and treating the site like a livejournal.

So he did.

Now people are angry about that too.

Well those people are idiots. I didn't read the article, I'm offended by the principle behind it: You shouldn't be considered an authority on sexism just because you have a vagina. Are only black people allowed to be offended by racism? This is bullshit.

I don't understand why the fact that women have weighed in on this debate is worthy of some kind of ethical recognition and, honestly, I think it's pretty pathetic that it's being flaunted as such. Shame on you, Patrick.

Same here. It's like he went out and found other 8 people who agree with him who have the right to be offended, and therefore, I'm not allowed to disagree with them. Because they're women. And I'm a man. That's not reporting at all. That's not getting a balanced perspective or digging deep into the issue. This kind of article wouldn't have even been printed in my college newspaper.

^^^ this

@SniperXan: I don't disagree with the intent, I just don't like how this has been presented.

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Posted by BrockNRolla

Anna Kipnis says things well, but states in the same breath why there's little hope for change. So many people don't take the industry seriously, nor issues like sexism for that matter. The comments bear that out too.

People don't take things seriously, and don't want to. It's as though enjoying something and thinking about something have to be mutually exclusive. Any time someone asks them to stop and think about something, to really dig into the implications of their actions and views of the world, they get indignant about it. How dare someone question your world view? How dare someone suggest that you don't see something they do? How dare you talk about a topic they don't care about?

Disagreement and discussion are incredibly valuable, but dismissal, as is the most common comment around here, does nothing but hold this community and the discussed issues back. I applaud anyone willing to keep fighting the good fight to improve the games industry and fight back those who just can't be bothered to give a shit about how others see the world. Patrick Klepek, I can't imagine how exhausting this interaction must feel, but good on your for trying.

Edited by mordukai

@rangers517 said:

@Kill: @Kill said:

When Patrick first joined Giant Bomb, he repeatedly said in his articles that he would not talk about his personal political beliefs as he did not feel they were necessary in his writing. As time went on, he started to plug his favourite political podcasts, put his liberal slant on news stories which did not require it, dropped his political opinions on the Bombcast when they wasn't asked for, and now he is actively seeking out some kind of validation for his own moral slant in the form of this article.

Look, I love Giant Bomb and I think Patrick is a great writer. However, this is nothing more than a "ha, told you so" to the community and an ego stroking by a man who believes only his political views should be noted on this site. He could at least have sought out a more balanced view of the situation. After the first three women said largely the same thing and no other viewpoint was represented, I could not help but picture that characteristic Patrick smirk behind all this.

I know this is a ramble, but I feel the other Giant Bomb guys do a great job of concealing their political ideologies. I have no idea who Brad, Jeff, Ryan or Vinny vote for. I could certainly guess, but it definitely isn't as clear as the liberal, Democrat voting, Reddit-reading klaxon of Klepek and his incessant need to spin gaming news a particular way. I find it distasteful, even if I agree with him on issues like this. It's a bit gross on a site which was founded on being impartial and fun.

Just my tl;dr opinion.

Agreed 100%. The other guys tried to keep it a light and fun video game site. No idea why Klepek thinks his views and opinions are so important that he needs to constantly share them with us.

It's an age thing. Plus I don't think GB has a really good editorial process. I want to think the decision making on publishing an article or not is a group making decision but I think in the end it's up to Jeff. I think he is great at covering games but I don't think he has still proved himself at an editorial boss. It just seems to me that because he experienced such a trauma at Gamespot that now he will give pretty much any article the green light for fear of doing what was done to him. I get the idea behind this article but it was executed rather poorly as most of the opinions were just saying the same thing over and over again (except for one who choose to remain anonymous).

The other problem is since he joined the other guy's editorial has almost but vanished. I remember good articles coming from all the guys and it was nice because everyone of them has a different way of writing and the way they tell it. Ever since patrick joined it seems he became the only person to cover any sort of written editorial piece, expect the occasional Alex one. I really think that's the main problem with the shit patrick seems to be getting from users here. For the better part of two years all the written editorial has been written from his point of view and I think it's starting to wear down the users here.

Posted by EternalGamer2

Hey Patrick, could you and the rest of the GB crew do us a favor and start the next bombcast by overtly telling all these misogynist creeps to fuck off and that GB doesnt want their business. The comments in this thread make me embarassed to even be reading this site, but I know it isnt your guys fault. Alternatively, I recommend just making this a regular column giving women's perspectives on a particular issue in the games industry. It would be great to constantly get this kind of perspective and eventually these bottomfeeders will get the message and move on. Win/win. Kipnis comparison to Tarentino's implementation of sexy and violence is interesting and I tend to agree with her that nobody has pulled that tone off successfully in games. I kind of wonder if it is because both the player and the camera seem to always be trapped in creepy vouyerisric male gaze, cheesecake shots and all. I am not sure how you avoid it, though.

Edited by MikkaQ

I wish I knew who wrote the anonymous entry because it think it really hits the nail on the head that it's not so much intentional and malicious hatred of women that's behind this as it is just a complete lack of consideration for their presence and existence in the gaming world.

I'm also wondering if the reaction would be the same if the bust had a nasty zombified lady's head on it, at least the intention would have been clearer.

Posted by Zaxex

Video games!

Posted by Legion_

How come no men were asked to comment? I'll give you the answer. It's because Patrick wanted support for his own opinions, and used women to do so. Pretty sexist if you ask me.

As for the statue? It's dumb and should never have existed.

Posted by Sweep

@MMann said:

@Langly said:

@Sweep said:

@MMann said:

@Sweep said:

I don't understand why the opinions of women were actively sought out in this instance. Are their opinions somehow more valid? Are women entitled to be more insulted? Why is it a big deal that women are weighing in on this?

Because last time this issue was brought up a whole shit-tonne of people made comments saying that P.Klep should do some "real reporting" and go get feedback from actual women instead of just giving his opinion and treating the site like a livejournal.

So he did.

Now people are angry about that too.

Well those people are idiots. I didn't read the article, I'm offended by the principle behind it: You shouldn't be considered an authority on sexism just because you have a vagina. Are only black people allowed to be offended by racism? This is bullshit.

I don't understand why the fact that women have weighed in on this debate is worthy of some kind of ethical recognition and, honestly, I think it's pretty pathetic that it's being flaunted as such. Shame on you, Patrick.

How do you exist as a real person? How are you a moderator?

Did you note that the women who weighed in were in some way affiliated with the industry? That they might have a grasp on the issue in a wider context because they are always engulfed by it? Are you a complete idiot? Their opinion matters because they are constantly affected by the culture at large. And yes, you dumb jerk, people of color have more valid opinions on racism because they are actually affected by the culture of racism. It doesn't make a white person's opinion completely invalid. Women experience objectification and harassment and sexism in a way that you never will. That is what the word "privilege" means. It doesn't mean that you are necessarily financially or even professionally privileged it means that your place in society gives you certain privileges that are not available to people of color or women. You interact with the culture in a different way than they do.

So, yeah, the people actually affected by the culture have a more valid opinion on the situation than you do.

He's probably still just supermad that ZMF was given a top 10 and raging against the 'actually a member of GB crew and not just a forum janitor' machine.

Yeah that's exactly right, you nailed it. Great work.

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Posted by Bollard

@Darji said:

@SniperXan said:

@Sweep: This isn't about sexism as a broad idea... it's about women being exploited. Your "Black people only allowed to get angry about racism" doesn't work here... I think your outrage is misplaced and very confusing.

This is not a woman. It is a torso. Just like this one here.

Except it was zombiefied

MAN THAT TORSO SO THIN IT MUST BE ANOREXIC.

People that thought the zombie torso was "anorexic" are either overweight or moronic.

Posted by mrfluke

@whatisdelicious said:

@Sweep said:

@MMann said:

@Sweep said:

I don't understand why the opinions of women were actively sought out in this instance. Are their opinions somehow more valid? Are women entitled to be more insulted? Why is it a big deal that women are weighing in on this?

Because last time this issue was brought up a whole shit-tonne of people made comments saying that P.Klep should do some "real reporting" and go get feedback from actual women instead of just giving his opinion and treating the site like a livejournal.

So he did.

Now people are angry about that too.

Well those people are idiots. I didn't read the article, I'm offended by the principle behind it: You shouldn't be considered an authority on sexism just because you have a vagina. Are only black people allowed to be offended by racism? This is bullshit.

I don't understand why the fact that women have weighed in on this debate is worthy of some kind of ethical recognition and, honestly, I think it's pretty pathetic that it's being flaunted as such. Shame on you, Patrick.

Same here. It's like he went out and found other 8 people who agree with him who have the right to be offended, and therefore, I'm not allowed to disagree with them. Because they're women. And I'm a man. That's not reporting at all. That's not getting a balanced perspective or digging deep into the issue. This kind of article wouldn't have even been printed in my college newspaper.

tagging to this comment chain going on here, hopefully he chimes in as he said he would. as this seems like a legitimate criticism.

Posted by MMann

@Sweep said:

@Langly: If you can't take part in a discussion without insulting people then your ability to post is going to disappear.

Well those people are idiots. I didn't read the article.

Dude, careful.

I just saw a mod say they were gonna start handing out forum bans to people who can't take part without insulting people.

Posted by posh

@Sweep: please don't abuse your mod privileges to threaten people who disagree with you. i've seen much worse thrown at people on patrick's side and no mod has addressed it

Edited by TwoSe7enFive

@Kingyo: Progress != Progressive. It was not in regards to this story in particular but Patrick's general political agenda on the site.

Progressive - A person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.

Posted by onan
I’m accustomed to game companies marketing towards men. But rarely is it quite so blatantly i.e. "Here are some tits!"

That said, I still enjoy a lack of carpal tunnel from the booby mousepad packed in with the original Agarest War.

Posted by SniperXan

@Sweep: How so? I really want to understand your point of view...(I know I'm trying to have a reasonable conversation on the internet...I'm a silly person :P)

Posted by TopCat88

@Brodehouse said:

@uomoartificiale said:

@TopCat88 said:

It is a shallow attempt to sell more copies of their game to boys. I agree that it's daft. It is not sexist. Sexist is hating women, not hiring or promoting a woman because of gender or giving a woman a lower salary. A collectible statue of a woman (dismembered, naked, alive, dead or otherwise) isn't sexist. It is distasteful.

No matter how to you put it, "not hiring or promoting a woman because of gender or giving a woman a lower salary", it's sexist and hateful. You see sexism is a social phenomenon based on hate towards women, either explicit or implied. It doesn't matter. Not hiring a woman, "because she's a woman", it's exactly that.

Now, just saying "it's distasteful" is the kind of word juggling we don't need. The attempt to reduce the complexity and gravity of things doesn't help anyone. This case is layered with several things that make it a bad PR stunt: the statue is sexist (again, implicitly or explicitly, it doesn't matter), it's distasteful, and it's a cry for attention. These three points of view don't exclude each other.

You have failed to grasp the grammatical construction of his statement. The comma used entails he is continuing a thought, not reversing as such. "Sexism is hating women, [or] not hiring or promoting because of gender". He did not saying "Sexism is hating women, [not] not hiring or promoting a woman because of gender".

Thank you for clearing that up so eloquently.

: I think we need to draw a line on what is sexism and what isn't. A female character in a video game is not necessarily and example of sexism, even if she has large boobs or is dismembered. Is Princess Peach an example of sexism because she needs the men to help save her from another man? I think not.

I wish people would get this excited about real and meaningful examples of sexism in the industry and not dilute the issue by raising hell about a stupid marketing campaign.

Posted by Humanity

When F.E.A.R. 3 came out the collectors edition of that game included a statue of a naked Alma, with a glow in the dark womb. No one said anything about it back then - is this statue even more offensive or less offensive? She is completely nude, but since it's a horror character and she doesn't have huge breasts does that make it more ok cause OH it's horror?

Posted by ArbitraryWater

I'm starting to get really tired of this. That statue was tasteless, gross, and incredibly stupid. We don't need 8 women telling us the same thing and also throwing out bigger connotations about how women are treated in society. Because I get it. Women are discriminated against. It's unfortunate, it should be changed, but this Dead Island bust is not the issue. It isn't. Equal pay for women should be the issue, Equal opportunities for women should be the issue. Not some poorly-conceived marketing effort that has already been widely condemned by the rest of the internet as such.

Posted by Efesell

@onan said:

I’m accustomed to game companies marketing towards men. But rarely is it quite so blatantly i.e. "Here are some tits!"

That said, I still enjoy a lack of carpal tunnel from the booby mousepad packed in with the original Agarest War.

That fucking awful thing really is a surprisingly good mouse pad...

Edited by Undeadpool

@baldgye said:

@Sweep said:

@MMann said:

@Sweep said:

I don't understand why the opinions of women were actively sought out in this instance. Are their opinions somehow more valid? Are women entitled to be more insulted? Why is it a big deal that women are weighing in on this?

Because last time this issue was brought up a whole shit-tonne of people made comments saying that P.Klep should do some "real reporting" and go get feedback from actual women instead of just giving his opinion and treating the site like a livejournal.

So he did.

Now people are angry about that too.

Well those people are idiots. I didn't read the article, I'm offended by the principle behind it: You shouldn't be considered an authority on sexism just because you have a vagina. Are only black people allowed to be offended by racism? This is bullshit.

I don't understand why the fact that women have weighed in on this debate is worthy of some kind of ethical recognition and, honestly, I think it's pretty pathetic that it's being flaunted as such. Shame on you, Patrick.

Because it's a really easy way to become noticed by people in whatever industry or market you're in. It requires basically no skill, simply that you belong to a demographic and can be easily offended.

If you read what most of them put its over-exaggerated nonsense that makes massive leaps in logic to try and make some nasty bit of plastic have an agenda.

Yeah, if there's one industry women have NO TROUBLE getting noticed in at a professional level, it's videogames.

Posted by SniperXan

@Darji: One of the ladies in the article wrote about this better then I could...read the article. I agree with her.

Posted by EnduranceFun

@Darji said:

@SniperXan said:

@Sweep: This isn't about sexism as a broad idea... it's about women being exploited. Your "Black people only allowed to get angry about racism" doesn't work here... I think your outrage is misplaced and very confusing.

This is not a woman. It is a torso. Just like this one here.

Except it was zombiefied

That's sexist against female artists.

Posted by dvorak

I completely agree with the sentiment. But this is just a really poor article.

Posted by Brodehouse

@Milkman said:

@Brodehouse

@Milkman said:

@InsidiousTuna

Klepek's closing statement from a previous article on games industry sexism is exceptionally relevant.

"I’m a guy, I’ve never had to deal with any of these problems. But I’m willing to admit where there’s smoke, there’s probably fire, and listening is helpful, informative. If you don’t want to listen, you don’t have to. No one is forcing you. Just stop shouting down others who want to."

New strategy for these comments. Instead of going back and forth with people who make the same arguments over and over again, (by the way, I'm seeing a lot of familiar names from the other articles trying to shout down the sexism discussion again...very interesting, maybe that should tell us something) I'm going to point out all the posts that I agree with and make great points. Like this one!

Here's a significant problem.

When one side presents an argument that states that there is sexism in the industry, another side will make a counter-argument based on the evidence shown within the original argument (if there is any). These arguments range in quality, but there are many that rely on the logical presentation of reason and evidence to unravel spurious claims made by the original.

At this point, rather than logically identify and examine the counter-argument, the original makes such claims as "they're trying to shout me down" and "you don't have to read it if you don't like it". In this method, they completely bypass logic and prey upon red herrings; that of 'I have a right to my opinion' being irrelevant to the actual discussion at hand, or that of the very act of disagreeing in some way is a denial of free speech. Both are clear logical fallacies, and should be immediately identified as such.

But why is the counter argument even necessary? I think we all agree that there is sexism in the games industry (I hope we do anyway) and other forms of media, even if you don't think this particular instance is sexist. And that's okay if you don't think so. But some do think it is so why do others feel the need to try to shout these people down? What is being gained by telling people that do think it's sexist that it's not and that you personally are declaring it "not a problem?"

"I think we can all agree" <-- this is not evidence based thinking, this is dogmatic thinking. Our ability to agree does constitute a rational argument, it merely constitutes our ability to agree. This isn't even getting into the nature of the statement; instances of sexism in workplaces do not constitute a 'sexist industry' any more than instances of murder or crime within a city constitute a 'murder city' or 'criminal city'. This is the fallacy of composition.

"Why do they need to try and shout these people down" <-- this is not even a fallacy, it is merely an illogical and irrational description of a disagreement. Those who argue against Patrick are not capable of eliminating his ability to have an opinion, merely of disagreeing with him. His free speech does not become infringed upon because people have the audacity to disagree with the validity of his logic. It is literally impossible to be 'shouted down' when you control the forum in which the discussion is happening. It is possible to be disagreed with, and a reasonable person would argue the actual arguments presented rather than rely on empty rhetoric claiming discrimination because others disagreed.

"What is to be gained by telling people who do think it's sexist that you personally are delcaring it not a problem" <-- this is an appeal to the speaker rather than an appeal to the argument. I have created an argument that involves the definition of sexism and then outlined how a person's offense does not in fact play into it. That you are offended by the presence of X does nothing to display X as making a generalistic, fallacious statement about a social group. That I could be offended by X does not mean that X is sexist, racist, homophobic without actual evidence beyond my offense.

Posted by JRock3x8

@MMann: re the patrick hate - I guess I don't understand why Patrick gets treated the way he does - I think his opinions are interesting and different even if he does to tend to run over people a bit in the podcast at times. But Giant Bomb as a whole is better when it's creative and I don't find anything particularly creative about asking 8 women what they think of oversized boobs on a bloody headless mannequin.

For the record, I actually thought that Alex N wrote both this and the original article so my opinions of Patrick never really factored into my response.

Again, I don't get why Patrick gets treated so much differently than the rest of the staff but I don't visit the site every day either and only comment on news / forums when something explodes in my brain which thankfully is not very often :)

Posted by Saganomics

@Kingyo said:

@TwoSe7enFive said:

Here we go again ...

WE.GET.IT!!!! Bad taste. Female form bad. Video game marketing evil.

I'm really getting tired of this progressive bull-shit.

Progress. I am tired of it. - Giant Bomb User, 2013

Think we've got a new Republican party slogan right here.

Posted by misquared

@Legion_ said:

How come no men were asked to comment? I'll give you the answer. It's because Patrick wanted support for his own opinions, and used women to do so. Pretty sexist if you ask me.

As for the statue? It's dumb and should never have existed.

Just out of curiosity (and because I think discussion breeds understanding on both ends), I'd like to ask... Why do you think this article is lacking because no men commented on it? Would it be somehow more valid if there were quotes from men? Or am I misunderstanding your statement?

Posted by fargofallout

Patrick Klepek - don't let the haters get you down. I suppose you knew going in that this was going to bring out the people with their heads in the sand. I think it's a worthwhile story.

I've grown weary of marketers in general, so while I find stuff like this to be tiresome and even loathsome, I don't let it bother me because I understand that the people creating shit like this are (mostly?) douchebags trying to create a stir and make a buck. In my mind, they aren't worth a passing thought, and this is another in a long line of marketing stunts that are crying out for attention. Whatever.

That being said, the fact that you have eight women from the games industry who find this despicable in varying amounts helps to illustrate that it is something that should be addressed, because people who aren't on the receiving end of garbage like this don't (and can't) get it. If you're a while male, it's easy to say things like "if it was a male torso with a penis, I wouldn't care," but the reality is, the situation is completely different. There isn't a long history of white men being oppressed (maybe not the best word, but it works) simply because they're white men.

Posted by Twistation

I like video games

Posted by joshthebear
@SadisticWOlf

@joshthebear said:

And here come the assholes in force to yell as loud as they can. If you didn't find the statue absolutely distasteful and disgusting, then I don't know what to think of you.

Pretty sure everyone thinks the statue is disgusting, we just don't need to bring it up every week and use it an excuse to disguise more opinion pieces from the most divisive member of the crew.

Except that this piece wasn't about Scoops' opinion at all. But, then again, it wouldn't be Patrick content without the hate train coming out in full force.
Posted by McGhee

I love the "the statue is too perfect and good looking complaints."

Can't hot chicks get murdered too? Wait . . . that came out wrong.

Posted by catpowerd

Interesting article! Thanks for writing it.

Uggh. I think I'm going to make it a rule not to look at the comment sections for this site ever again.

Edited by VargasPrime

Good luck trying to establish a dialogue with some of the dissenters in here Patrick. You're a better person than I am, that's for sure.

Edited by CircleNine

@Sweep: People who first hand have to deal with sexism and racism because they are subjected to it should have a lot more fucking voice in discussions about how it effects them than people who don't. I'm white, what the fuck do I know what it's actually really like, not anecdotally or hypothetically like, to be black and deal with people being shitty about it? Jack shit, that's what. So I shut the hell up and listen to the people who actually have to deal with it, not barge into the discussion with some Enlightened White Objective Logical And Emotionally Detached Because I Have No Real Stake Or Involvement In It Perspective on how they should feel or act when faced with that shit.

Posted by smokyexe

@Humanity said:

When F.E.A.R. 3 came out the collectors edition of that game included a statue of a naked Alma, with a glow in the dark womb. No one said anything about it back then - is this statue even more offensive or less offensive? She is completely nude, but since it's a horror character and she doesn't have huge breasts does that make it more ok cause OH it's horror?

Nobody said anything about it because nobody was on this bandwagon back then.

Posted by MMann

@posh said:

@Sweep: please don't abuse your mod privileges to threaten people who disagree with you. i've seen much worse thrown at people on patrick's side and no mod has addressed it

It's a lost cause, really.

If you pick a fight with a mod, unlike any other member of the community, you just gotta resign to the incoming ban. Then you pick back up, resub, and keep on trucking.

Price of doing business, my friend.

Posted by Kingyo

@MMann said:

@Babylonian said:

@BlastProcessing said:

At least Patrick didn't quote himself this time. Still, this progressive, Kotaku-esque clickbait shit needs to stop, It's a horrible statue made in bad taste, nothing to cry about.

The fact that you just used the word 'progressive' as a pejorative is FUCKING TERRIFYING to me. Kill all nerds.

b..but.. if we don't defend the status quo things might change!

I'm tired of your progressive, pro-equality, ANTIFA agenda Babylonian!

ITS A GODDAMN CONSPIRSY I SAY! TODAY WE DON'T CRITICIZE PATRICK AND DEMONIZE THIS ARTICLE... TOMORROW WE ALL WAKE UP EQUALS!!1

Edited by heatDrive88

@Ravenlight said:

@ElixirBronze said:

Hey, what if we dropped the debate about this plastic statue (which the creators withdrew and apologized for already) and started talking about the important stuff instead?

There is a problem with the gaming community and women for sure, but we should tackle the heart of the issue -- being thousands of women misstreated daily by things like office bullying and sexual harassments -- not sit around and talk about this torso because that is the easy thing to do

You get a follow for being the first comment I've seen that's actually been insightful.

I think it's easy for the average gamer to turn a blind eye to sexism/objectification since these sorts of things have been (to a certain extent) part of video games/video game marketing for a long time. We (the gaming community) need to do a better job of calling out stupid shit like this. The torso thing was called out and we got a (perhaps half-assed) apology. But I can guarantee that we won't see the same sort of stuff from that company again. Now we need to call out how stupid the latest incarnations of EDI and Cortana are. Seriously, what the fuck. EDI was a glowing circle in ME2 now she's an inflated escapee from Space Channel 5. If any real change is going to happen, we need to stop bickering with each other and call out actual bullshit.

While yes, I 100% agree that there are far more serious issues at hand with far more lower-hanging and immediate problems, it's too easy to deflect the issue at hand.

Giant Bomb isn't necessarily a place to talk about office bullying or sexual harassment, because that's not what Giant Bomb is a place for. It's a site about video games, and the things that video games encompass. I'm not saying that those 2 issues or others aren't important or shouldn't be discussed at all - of course I think they among other issues are important to discuss, dissect, and to solve. But this place simply isn't the vehicle to do that, and there are far more better places elsewhere with far more people who are better suited to discuss those kinds things. There's nothing wrong with awareness, but as a gaming community, we have to tackle issues closest to home that we as a group actually participate in and want to be okay with.

Posted by Mister_V

@Sweep: Im beginning to wonder if there is some kind of British/American split on this issue. Maybe us in the UK have a more mature view of sexism than our american cousins.

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Posted by Saganomics

@Twistation said:

I like video games

Pfft.

Posted by TestamentUK
  1. Write an article about a horrible PR campaign which causes huge amount of comments/views
  2. Horrible PR campaigns continue because of how successful they've been in creating publicity through such articles

Repeat these steps for continued $$$. Both the game sites and the publishers win! Genius!

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Posted by Twistation

@Zaxex: Do you like video games?

Posted by Brodehouse

@lesaboteur said:

I don't like the white men in this comment section

Manages to be both sexist and racist.

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@posh said:

@Sweep: please don't abuse your mod privileges to threaten people who disagree with you. i've seen much worse thrown at people on patrick's side and no mod has addressed it

There are plenty of people who disagree with me, I don't have time to ban all of them.

And you have no idea how many people we have moderated for hating on members of staff, or users who aggressively defend them. Just because you see a comment that violates the rules doesn't mean we support it's existence. Most of the time we just haven't got round to deleting it yet.

@MMann: He sounds like a smart guy.

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Posted by Darji

@smokyexe said:

@Humanity said:

When F.E.A.R. 3 came out the collectors edition of that game included a statue of a naked Alma, with a glow in the dark womb. No one said anything about it back then - is this statue even more offensive or less offensive? She is completely nude, but since it's a horror character and she doesn't have huge breasts does that make it more ok cause OH it's horror?

Nobody said anything about it because nobody was on this bandwagon back then.

Yeah back than we had games to play....

Posted by megalowho

Interesting slate of opinions, missed this story the first time around. Marketing, marketing never changes. Thanks for the read.

Posted by KoolAid

So... someone pointed out that this was supposed to be a parody of a marble torso statue. Is that true? Did anyone else get that? I didn't get that.