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Deep Silver likely did not anticipate the intense reaction to its UK-specific Zombie Bait bundle for Dead Island Riptide when it was announced last week. The news came alongside other bundles for the sequel, but the Zombie Bait bundle received attention for a statue of a torn apart woman that featured nothing more than her bikini-wearing torso.

Deep Silver’s issued a questionable apology in response to the furor. The company did not discuss how this bundle even came into existence, and still hasn’t said whether it will be sold or not. One would hope not? I’ve asked the company for further clarification on that point, but as of publication, nothing has come back.

Here's the company's previous statement in full:

“We deeply apologize for any offense caused by the Dead Island Riptide “Zombie Bait Edition”, the collector’s edition announced for Europe and Australia. Like many gaming companies, Deep Silver has many offices in different countries, which is why sometimes different versions of Collector’s Editions come into being for North America, Europe, Australia, and Asia.

For the limited run of the Zombie Bait Edition for Europe and Australia, a decision was made to include a gruesome statue of a zombie torso, which was cut up like many of our fans had done to the undead enemies in the original Dead Island.

We sincerely regret this choice. We are collecting feedback continuously from the Dead Island community, as well as the international gaming community at large, for ongoing internal meetings with Deep Silver's entire international team today. For now, we want to reiterate to the community, fans and industry how deeply sorry we are, and that we are committed to making sure this will never happen again.”

The story featured my own opinion on the subject, as do most pieces of content on Giant Bomb. You might have suspected part of my response, based on previous articles I’ve filed at the site, and the reaction was along the lines of the last conversation about #1reasonwhy. When I was mulling a follow-up, I didn’t want to have the same back-and-forth, and hoped to introduce some new voices.

So, I reached out to a number of women members of the video game community, and asked them to provide their individual reactions. There are voices from everywhere in games, from development to fellow writers. I didn't specifically seek out people who had expressed an opinion about Dead Island, I just figured they had one. Some chose to speak directly to what happened, some didn't. There weren't any rules.

I’m also going to start something new here. I won't guarantee it’ll happen every time, but for big features, I want to make sure there’s a dedicated time slot for spending time responding to comments. It won’t happen until the story has been up for a little while, and people have had a chance to digest it. In this case, it’s going to be for 30 minutes at 11:30 a.m. PST. As always, anything I don’t get to can be addressed in PM, on Twitter, or through my Tumblr site.


Rhianna Pratchett, writer (Tomb Raider, Mirror’s Edge)


I’m both a horror fan, and a Dead Island fan. But my initial reaction to Riptide’s mutilated torso was one of shock, bewilderment and confusion. I wasn’t morally outraged. It was more a deep sigh and eye roll of “Oh come on… really? REALLY?” Yes, horror and sex have been intertwined forever, but there was something about the visual depiction of this one that was unexpectedly disgusting for a number of reasons. A mutilated corpse (of either sex) is pretty disturbing, sure. A sexed-up (and there no other way to describe the perfectly round, barely covered up and non-zombified knockers) female corpse, offered up as a reward, has particularly nasty connotations. Especially when combined with the fact that it’s described as 'bait'--a confusing title for what was apparently meant to be (according to the developers) a zombie’s torso, rather than the mutilated and cut up human torso that it actually looked like. Zombies are not normally known for the penchant to chew down on the flesh of other zombies.

I’m accustomed to game companies marketing towards men. But rarely is it quite so blatantly i.e. "Here are some tits!" It’s a mistake to ignore the legions of female gamers out there, who enjoy their zombie killing just as much as the guys. It’s an even bigger mistake to outright annoy them. Believe me, I know this. I’ve got first-hand experience of being caught-up with a video games "controversy" on Tomb Raider, and so I know that marketing and the way we speak about and depict our characters and games is important. Industry and player debate about how we go about this is also valuable.

I was glad to see Deep Silver apologising for this rather large misstep, although I was a little perplexed by the fact that they seemed to use the fact that players apparently do this in the game (or at least have the option to) as some kind of get-out-of-jail card. I’ve done some horrendous things in games. I don’t particularly want to see them immortalised in statue form.

There’s been a lot of talk about whether it would have been okay if it was a male statue. But the fact that it isn’t (and we can only really talk about what we’ve been presented with, not what we haven’t) combined with the way the torso’s been depicted, strongly suggests that the marketeers would never have done that. A sexed-up male torso (and even with a six-pack it’s not quite the same) wouldn’t have appealed to the intended audience (straight men) in the same way. If they’d wanted to keep up this mutilated torso theme then a male torso and female torso, leaning against each other in zombie-baiting harmony, would’ve been a better way to go about it. And, given that the first game had a 50/50 male to female ratio of player characters and a similar ratio in the AI, rather more in keeping with the general tone of the game.

Better still, something like AMC’s Walking Dead collector’s edition head would have been more appropriate and arguably less offensive.

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Clarice Meadows, writer and former sales operation manager at Take-Two Interactive


When marketing departments come up with various tchotchkes to get people to buy a video game, there are a lot of factors that come into it. Theme, desirability, originality, and more. It's a matter of making something unusual and interesting enough, and yet appropriately themed for the game, that fans will absolutely HAVE to buy it. I like to think that there are focus groups involved in the choice of object, or at the very least more than just a bunch of marketing types being locked in a room for days fueled by caffeine and junk food until they come up with an idea and are let out. Sadly, I am pretty sure the latter is usually the case. The zombie torso created specifically for Dead Island Riptide was, in my opinion, a marketing catastrophe. I've heard many responses to this particular item. From "well women don't play games anyway" to "by getting mad about it and yelling, you guys are giving this company free advertising" to "it's like a classical sculpture of antiquity, but a zombie!" So let's break this down a bit.

1) I am a woman, and I play video games. I am not particularly unusual in my gender group in choosing to play video games. I grew up in the 80s, video games were around, and I liked them. I also happen to know quite a few other women who play games, including games like Dead Island. By ignoring women as a market demographic for a video game, companies are losing out hugely. By assuming women will only buy pink, glittery items or games that are about clothing and boyfriends, these companies are losing money. By putting out a completely sexist and crass marketing ploy, they are losing money. Seriously, isn't the point of triple-A games to make scads of cash? I really don't get making choices that lead to losing it instead, can you tell?

2) By yelling about something offensive, we're making a case that offensive marketing is unacceptable. By not yelling, we're giving silent consent to continuing crappy and cheap marketing choices. And trust me, this is crappy, cheap AND lazy marketing. Oh look, a pair of boobs! How innovative! Apparently these marketers think the only people playing video games are under-sexed pubescent mole men. I mean… seriously? Lazy.

3) The last time I checked, classical sculptures did not have boob jobs. Also, the last time I checked, real boobs did not do that while in a string bikini. There's this thing called gravity… And if we're going to have an argument that this torso is not overly sexed up and has turned a live woman (or live lady zombie) into a bunch of sex organs, then… well… someone is lying to themselves. Is it appropriate? Is necrophilia really acceptable now? Because that's what this feels like it's promoting to me.

Lazy and cheap marketing ploys don't make money, they cost money in PR nightmares and hours of dancing around apologizing. It doesn't take much to be smarter, and who knows? Maybe a new market full of lots of money will open up and be willing to spend that money on video games! I mean, didn't you hear that women have jobs and make money and LOVE to spend it? Think big video game companies. Think about all that cash you're letting slide right through your fingers, and play it smarter.

Follow more of Clarice's work at Plays Like a Girl and on Twitter.


Kate Lorimer, composer and writer


For my part, yes, I found it offensive, it was “the straw that broke the camel’s back” (though I am sure it won't be the last such incident) after a year of dodgy marketing (Hitman, Booth Babes, Tomb Raider, Girlfriend Mode, Anita Sarkeesian). And from a personal viewpoint, even a close friend expressing his being fed up with online “outrage” and “Feminist point-scoring pandering” from game websites like Rock Paper Shotgun--his words--and his complete (and somewhat deliberate) misunderstanding of the concept of Feminism (being supposedly more about pursuing Women’s interests above male's, as opposed to actually being about equality for both genders).

Unfortunately, amongst teens and younger players in general (but as Jenny Haniver has shown, far from exclusively) there’s likely to be a kneejerk reaction backlash at the outrage and offence caused by it, as kids love a bit of blood'n'gore, and certainly amongst the heterosexual hormone fueled boys that whole “cor... boobies” thing has an attraction. See: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153593/yes-ah-tah

The reasons for it being offensive are obvious to the clear of thought--it's objectification at its worst. Remove the person from the body, inexplicably leaving a pubescent boy’s idea of the perfect female figure, with balloon boobs (mysteriously untouched by hungry zombie snacking) and a peek at a panty enclosed crotch--of course, hiding the vagina within--which would likely be too offensive/edgy to the same boys!

Would the situation have been mitigated had there been an alternative option of a male torso? It might have slightly balanced the equality issue, though of course there is a special obsession with boobies--especially globe-tastic ones on an itty bitty waist! But the fact that it's just a female torso they decided to go with speaks volumes about their marketing, and the usual narrow-minded targeted demographic. It might have been just as grisly but slightly more in line with the zombie ethos to have had a scary looking zombie head?

Follow more of Kate's work at K8-bit and on Twitter.


Elizabeth DeLoria, staff writer at Gameranx and cosplay photographer


In September last year, Jill Meagher, a 29-year-old ABC employee, went missing while walking the short walk home from a popular Melbourne street. Thanks to a somewhat viral social media campaign, the entire country began to follow the case, people everywhere wanting Jill to be found alive and well and brought home.

When she was found murdered, buried in a shallow roadside grave after being kidnapped and sexually assaulted by a complete stranger, the entire country went from hopefully to angry. Angry that someone would do this, angry that she wasn't alive and well as we'd hoped, angry that she was minding her own business in her own suburb when she was attacked. People were so angry that when the alleged killer's name leaked, social media erupted with people from every walk of life wanting his head. An entire nation was in mourning, and thousands in Melbourne marched in her honor.

I mention this because we know it's not okay to kill people. We're angered and heartbroken when women are violently murdered (and that's just the cases we hear about.) The news of Jill Meagher, as an example, was devastating to thousands that didn't even know her. Yet at the same time, we're sent these messages that sexualize, glamorize and exploit a woman's decapitated torso. That use violent murder for the purpose of sex appeal and thus profit.

When I see the same people who I saw march for Jill, whose heart sank when they heard the news of her death ask me why this torso statue is "such a big deal," I don't even know how to begin to explain to them how they've come so close to the right thing, yet they sit so far from it.

I'm not really offended, I'm just mortified at how easily we seem to forget.

Follow more of Elizabeth's work at Gameranx and on Twitter.


Vanessa Hunter, artist and game design graduate


We need to start at the beginning if we are to stop the pervasiveness of sexism in gaming culture, and by sticking this statue in a set that will be received by kids and young adults, Deep Silver is reinforcing an already warped attitude toward women held by the gaming community.

If this statue had been reminiscent of Venus de Milo or the statue of David, and posed in a beautiful, creative way, perhaps I could have even admired it. But as a hunk of flesh plopped into a lifeless pose and trussed up in a string bikini, I seriously have to question the thought behind it.

My main reaction to this statue, however, is that it presents a woman as a literal piece of dead meat. It beheads all personality and life and strips away individuality to present the viewer with what is simply a hunk of flesh in a gaudy bikini. This figure gets up and screams "all I am worth is to fulfill your pleasures"

To a woman like me, it's sickening because it represents how some men see real-life women every day.

From someone who has seen firsthand how a monster who holds this attitude can choke the life out of someone beautiful and radiant, this bust is a nightmare come true. And what's worse is that the attitudes behind such an object reinforce this behaviour as okay.

As for Deep Silver's "apology" placing the blame on its fan base, many of whom view them as a role model, teaching them that sexism is okay if someone else has done it before is unacceptable. They need to grow up.

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I didn't feel offended by the Dead Island bikini statue. I did, however, find it quite tiresome. I don't think that it can be denied that the statue is an obvious example of sexual objectification--a mutilated torso with perfectly untouched breasts.

Sexual objectification of women is everywhere, and it's impact is a massive discussion that goes way beyond video games. What I found most tiresome about the statue wasn't the objectification but that making a statue such as this suggests a number of things that Deep Silver assumes about their audience. They assume that the audience are young shallow men whose main interests are tits and violence. It's insulting to men and its a common assumption in video game marketing. Women are not even considered as part of the possible audience. It's outdated thinking.

I've been playing video games since I was a kid, and it's probably the main thing I do for entertainment. I have as many female friends as male who play video games. It is tiresome to be constantly excluded--and if I am included then I am considered a novelty. Women who play games are a sizable chunk of the audience and have been around for as long as video games. Objects like this statue show that we are not really considered to exist.

This individual chose not to share their personal information for fear of potential backlash.


Melissa Cooke, writer for FemmeGamer


Personally, I think that it's rather disgusting that Deep Silver decided to sell this. The usage of a female chest and abdomen I assume was originally used as a shock tactic to grab the eyes of the media, obviously this has worked, but what made it sexist in my eyes was the way it was dressed up and the proportions on the body.

The breasts are very unrealistic in the way they're being held up by a string bikini, not to mention that there are no wounds on the breasts, making them all the more obvious.The stomach is also very flat, and the bust looks almost anorexic, which is a very damaging image to promote.

The bust lacks also a face or any other feature that makes this bust look human, which could be interpreted as Deep Silver saying "Look this isn't a human, it's a woman, look how her breasts are positioned for your enjoyment, isn't that cool?"

Overall, this is a rather shameless grab for attention on Deep Silver's part, and all this sort of stunt does is give the non-gaming public the idea that games and the people who are playing them are immature, and push any progress the industry has made back a few more years.

Follow Melissa's work at Femme Gamer and on Twitter.


Anna Kipnis, senior gameplay programmer at Double Fine Productions


It's really hard to approach this topic in any kind of novel way. At this point, it's hard to bring round people who have made their minds up that feminism threatens to ruin their entertainment; to convince them that it's troubling to have games openly revel in dismembering decomposing women in bikinis. Yet I don't believe in censorship, either. Personally, I push this sort of thing into the same category in my brain as boob mugs (which I respect more for at least cutting to the chase and showing actual nudity). I'm not sure why someone would want a headless, bloody, dismembered corpse of a woman's upper torso, with grotesquely fake boobs obscured by a sadly implicated union jack proudly displayed on their mantle, but they're not a person I can imagine seeing eye-to-eye with on many things.

I honestly believe you can have sexiness and violence in games, even at the same time, if that's what you want. I can't think of a great example of a game that has done this particularly well (no doubt there is one), but there are many examples in film. For instance, Quentin Tarantino has made plenty of movies over the years that feature sexy women in violent situations. Even women getting dismembered (Kill Bill Volume 1, Death Proof), and yet it's never felt sexist or misogynist to me. I walk away from the theater generally thinking of those women as role models, not victims.

I think it's on us, game developers, to prevent controversies like this one. I'm a game programmer and I would be pretty bummed if I was working on what was essentially a game equivalent of a boob mug. You're appealing to the lowest, most vulgar aspects of your audience at a time when games are widely criticized for being juvenile, senseless, and immature, only to then complain that the medium is not being taken seriously as an art form. We should strive to treat our medium with the respect it deserves.

Follow Anna's work at Double Fine Productions and on Twitter.

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Edited by Zornack

Huh, thought I clicked a giantbomb link. How'd I end up on Kotaku?

Not a single opinion that it's simply a stupid statue no one gives a fuck about, just eight paragraphs about how hateful, sexist and misogynistic the video game industry is.

Quality journalism.

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Such bad judgement on the company's part. I don't know who would want something like that anyway, other than some goofy teenager.

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Posted by alibson

Giant Bomb is my number one stop for extremist feminist propaganda.

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Posted by ShaunK

@alibson said:

Giant Bomb is my number one stop for extremist feminist propaganda.

Lets be honest, the statue was kind of moronic on their part.

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Posted by rramo010

Great article Patrick. It is great to see a women's perspective on this issue.

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Posted by flamingeyebrows

So this is gonna be one of those comment threads where all the neckbeard misogynists come out to play, is it?

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Posted by wrecks

I think it was safe to assume women in the industry would have strong, negative reactions. Now how about reactions from men in the industry?

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Edited by Abendlaender

Deep Silver likely did not anticipate the intense reaction to its UK-specific Zombie Bait bundle for Dead Island Riptide when it was announced last week.

Really? Cause I haven't heard anybody talking about Riptide before but a hell of a lot of people after

Also I don't really understand how something completely unattractive and gross can be considered "sexist" but I might just be a simpleton. Or a sexist

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Posted by skrutop

Very interesting read. I just wonder who the fuck would want a statue like that?

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Posted by JoeyRavn

@alibson said:

Giant Bomb is my number one stop for extremist feminist propaganda.

And you're my number one stop for people who don't know what Feminism is and throw it around like an insult.

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Posted by kdrudy

@alibson said:

Giant Bomb is my number one stop for extremist feminist propaganda.

So you don't get any then because this is stuff that should be common sense?

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Posted by Fungiefips

@flamingeyebrows: I hope not, I'm of the opinion that the statue was gross, and that it should have been pulled. This was SUCH a minor issue, but when the media, in any industry, gets hold of a subject they know will generate controversy, they continue to run it into the ground. Which is fine when it's contained to NEOgaf or Kotaku, but I don't want this shit on GB. The only reason they post this crap is so Klepek can say "well my articles generate 1000+ comments and *insert number here* pageviews".

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Posted by Hailinel

It's almost too stupid of a nick nack to offend me in any real way. I mean, who seriously thought anyone would want this on their shelf?

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Posted by Carousel

My eyes are glazed over.

Why do you do this to me, Patrick?

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Posted by Skeezard

Patrick is the Britta of the GiantBomb crew

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Posted by Efesell

Still just think the statue was ridiculous well before whatever other baggage was applied to it by the internet. And still not worth the outrageous uproar.

Now to bail before the comments really start to blaze.

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Posted by Abendlaender

Oh yay, I'm guessing me trying to post something sensible (well, I TRIED) was pretty stupid seeing how this will soon be flooded by Patrick haters, actual sexists and people who don't understand this article. Awesome.

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Posted by kdrudy

Interesting read and a good follow-up. I really hope for a day when the games industry isn't so ignorant and foolish about issues like this.

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Posted by JadeGL

@alibson: Yes, because whomever may disagree with this marketing and thinks it's tasteless is automatically a feminist extremist. Just so you know, I'm not an extremist of any type, I'm a female but not someone who would say I'm a feminist, and this thing was stupid and deserves at least a little bit of discussion. It can't hurt to talk about stuff, whatever your opinion may be, it can only help.

Cool article, and seeing opinions from ladies working in the industry is great.

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Posted by EarlessShrimp

I'll say it before and I'll say it again, I would totally buy a man torso statue if that makes the issue go away. Fuck, you could have the penis in perfect working condition and fully erect with the rest of the torso mangled to all hell, I don't give a fuck, I just thought the statue thing was something different from what you normally get out of special pre-order bonuses. I'm also a sucker for gimmicky shit like that. I bought the super fancy killzone partially because of the head statue. I know I can be considered foolish for throwing money at people for such a marketing ploy. But hey, I like my swag.

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Posted by scalpel

Am I on Kotaku?

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Posted by Brandino

Sexist statue? No, extremely stupid idea? Yes, they should of never went through with the torso but it's not sexist.

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Posted by PhilipDuck

Good read thanks Patrick, the points they put across are what we all expected though, and tbh the marketing for the game.. well... it kinda worked. Everyone keeps going on about and this game is getting allot more publicity than it would have originally Rockstar used negative media attention to its advantage, kinda looks like they are trying the same thing (granted it isn't going as well..)

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@Poppduder said:

not a bad article, but strange that a cosplayer (one that uses her boobs quite a lot in her cosplaying) gave her opinion about the whole thing. Just seems a bit hypocritical.

There's appreciating the female form, and then there's slapping a statue of a mutilated woman's corpse on your mantelpiece.

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Posted by The_Nubster

There's a lot of over-reaction all over the place about this statue, but none is more disgusting than the blatant disregard of any kind of issue involving women, no matter how real it is, by men who play video games. Or, more likely, boys who play video games.

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Posted by Morningstar

Gamespot only managed 5 responses. GB win by a margin of 3.

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Posted by baldgye

I'm not sure how people can be offended by this. I'm also not sure who the hell would want something like that.

Not Giantbomb's greatest work

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Posted by Demoskinos

Women having a negative reaction to this? You don't say! Did we really need to drag up again?

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Posted by DJ_EuroGhost

Why so serious?

I love the internet overreacting.

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Posted by charlie_victor_bravo

Spoiler: Everybody has pretty much the opinion that you expect. Wow, what a great article.

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Posted by TvsFranksWildYears

Look at all the assholes in this comment section.

@rramo010 said:

Great article Patrick. It is great to see a women's perspective on this issue.

How'd you come up with that? It's real creative and original, and I'd like to know more about your brainstorming process.

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Posted by nbadger

Good lord the comments here are just downright depressing. What is everyone's obsession with shitting on Klepek? Grow up, read the article first before rushing to write out a load of abuse.

Re: the article. Colour me shocked as grown up folk are rightly disgusted with this cheap sexist shit.

Offensive gimmick from publisher >>>> outrage from media outlets >>>> watch the hits roll in. Ad infinitum.

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Posted by Hobosunday

Doesn't Patrick know this is a website about VIDEO GAMES?!

But seriously, anyone who thinks this is a good idea should wonder if it's okay if they decided to sell a man's bloody torso with a humongous bulge in a union jack speedo and sculpted to god-like perfection.

You probably wouldn't think it's a good idea.

You probably would think it was dumb and pointless.

You probably would never put it in your room and feel proud about it.

You might even get angry, saying that this was a real dumb move on the developer's part.

But you think this bloody woman torso was not?

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Personally I thought it was a perfect marketing Idea. It represented everything B Movie trash Zombie/horror slasher are standing for.

We really can't go around and think about how it could offend anyone in this world. You will always offend people. It does not matter what you do. This whole sexism in games has been way to blown up. It was never that bad in the Movie industry. And most of all people do not really care. They do not care about troupes or how a half naked woman could be offending in their Movie they are just doing it most people seem to be fine there. Why are games different in this regard?

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Posted by sushisteve

All of these special edition type packages are bound to be kind of dumb (Fallout 3 being one I give a pass to), but this one really stands out. Gaming has been growing up and becoming more diverse in who gamers are, but I think a lot of game marketers still think we're in the bad old days of things like BMX XXX.

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Posted by LikeaSsur

"Eight Women, Eight Responses, And Every Response is The Same."

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Posted by ShaunK

@baldgye said:

I'm not sure how people can be offended by this. I'm also not sure who the hell would want something like that.

Not Giantbomb's greatest work

Reporting on an issue that most people in the industry,most importantly the writer of this article, feel strongly about?

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Posted by AlexanderSheen

TL;DR: They were not happy about the statue.


Didn't see that coming, did ya?

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Posted by ShaunK

@AlexanderSheen said:

TL;DR: They were not happy about the statue.


Didn't see that coming, did ya?

Not really. The amount of people in here saying it is a complete non-issue no one would care about would lead me to guess that at least half of the women would agree. But guess the people saying that this isn't an issue at all are completely 100% wrong.

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Posted by VaultDweller13

Patrick went into his file cabinet and found his binder full of women for this one.

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Posted by SLowrAM

What's up with women, it's an over the top zombie game. If they showed a mutililated zombie attacked penis statue I wouldn't be offended and feel like they were attacking men. Sheez, get a grip and quit thinking everything is an attack on your sex.

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Posted by mrfluke

imo Anna made the most amount of sense and is someone id listen to speak, she had the most clear level headed opinion of the statue without coming off as a damm feminist.

Anna, Rihanna, and Elizabeth and even Kate,are for my money the most level headed ones out of the bunch,

in my opinion if you highlight more people like these 3, youill get your audience to listen more.

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Edited by Sil3n7

You know Patrick, if you don't like a particular games stance on women, don't buy that game. Let the market decide if they agree with your values.

When it comes down to it though I'm going to guess you will play "Sexist murder simulator 2013" like all of us. In fact, why don't you asks these women if they change their game buying habits based on this? If not, their criticism rings hollow.

You want to talk the talk but do you walk the walk?

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Posted by TopCat88

Seriously, another article on this! Patrick. You contribute a huge amount of great stuff to this site, across all forms of content. But this sexism angle has got to be toned down. There is nothing sexist about this figurine. Yes it's a little crass and obvious and cheap but it's not sexist. At all. It just isn't.

I'm a male and perhaps I don't get it. Maybe I'm lucky or ignorant about these issues, although I'm not trying to be.

A reduction in opportunities for woman in the gaming industry would be a bad thing and could be ruled as sexism and I'm sure there are genuine examples of sexism in the video game world from time to time. Please report or write about them, inform us and add to the debate. It's clearly an important issue for you and so it should be.

This is a piece of marketing, aimed at young males. I bet it works too. It may alienate some of the audience but I'm sure that was a calculated decision. There are many examples of marketing aimed at women too. Hunky men, etc. Sex sells...it isn't sexism.

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Posted by nomtank

I'm sure all of these comments will be civil and rational. Have a good day, everyone!

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Posted by Mirado

I'm kinda confused about the purpose of this article. Would any woman say that the statue was fine? Would any man agree that this wasn't a stupid idea? This is just "Newsflash: Women think torso statue is stupid at best and offensive at worst...which is exactly what every article on the subject already stated." but with eight people saying it at once.

The only story here involves finding out whatever drugs Deep Silver was on when they figured this was going to work out great for them.

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I'm not sure if this was actually supposed to be a "burn" cause well, the majority of this article was written by women, right?

Also, it's a bit....weird reading this from the writer of Tomb Raider.....

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Posted by TehChich

The boob mug analogy is the perfect explanation for this. Thank you, Anna Kipnis, for explaining why I thought this was all so stupid. Sure as hell wasn't because I thought it was sexist.