<\/span>@RoyCampbell<\/strong> said:<\/p><\/span>@heatDrive88<\/strong> said:<\/span>@RoyCampbell<\/strong> said:<\/p>This just screams \"I needed justification for my outrage so I gathered up a handful of women's responses and regurgitated it on my LiveJour- I mean Giantbomb's front page.\"<\/blockquote>You're a huge piece of shit of a person. Sorry.<\/p><\/blockquote>Thanks. Feel free to let me in on any other insights you possess.<\/blockquote>Im with Heat.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>misquared<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>57<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By misquared<\/a><\/div><\/div>Thank you for the great article! I really appreciated it-- these women are more articulate than I am, and they perfectly summarize the issues that I have with this statue. It's a shame that the people who I want to read this article seem to have no interest in actually reading it, but I guess that's the way of life.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SirOptimusPrime<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>2076<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>13<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 3<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By SirOptimusPrime<\/a><\/div><\/div>I think the purpose of this article was to... uh, keep talking about it. Like the guy I quoted said. Keep talking about it and people will have to eventually respond, especially if the voices keep getting louder and louder. Hopefully the voices diversify and bad marketing ploys - that unfortunately work - will just stop.<\/p>Side-note: I find it hilarious that people hate Patrick's opinion being injected into his articles on a website centered around personalities. Maybe you dislike a personality (hey, I think most of Alex's writing could be copy pasted with liberal use of the F3 key to generate new articles) but you just move on.<\/i><\/p><\/span>@DazzHardy<\/strong> said:<\/p>It kind of saddens me that people think that not talking about these things is the best way to get them to stop. Simply ignoring the problems won't make them go away. This is one of those cases were it needs to be talked about often enough and as publicly as possible so that people understand why it's not a great idea to do dumb stuff like this. When it's been talked to death, that's when I think we'll start seeing it not come up so often, and thus not need to be spoken of so much.<\/blockquote><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Tidel<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>373<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>13<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Tidel<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@Stymie<\/strong> said:<\/p>I totally agree this statue was lame (but I wouldn't use the word \"offensive\"; you kind of have to be above things like this). However, I really, truly wish we could have these conversations without the constant tones of \"the industry obviously only treats women like this.\"<\/p>How many men do any GB readers know with the super muscular, broad shoulder, 0% body fat, perfect-chizzled-chin look that virtually every male video game character has? Video games are suffering no shortage of manwhores.<\/p><\/blockquote>The difference is, while the male form is often idealized, it is rarely objectified. It's an important distinction. When male characters are presented as solely a function of desire instead of active participants with agency, then you'd have a similar scenario. But that doesn't happen; and even if it did, it doesn't justify anything. The idea that 'men have it just as bad' doesn't excuse the fact that sexual objectification -- of anyone -- is problematic.<\/p>This statue represents the most base scenario of the objectification of women -- it's just a pair of clean, pert tits framed by the gory removal of all possible agency. It doesn't represent the entirety of women in games or gaming, but it exemplifies the persistent inequality in how gender and sex is represented, and to who, and why.<\/p>Just because you (or I) are not the 'idealized' man, that doesn't mean the idealized man is reductive of us or reflective of us; it represents a power fantasy. This statue also represents a power fantasy. That's the whole problem.<\/p>I think it's worth talking about. I think it's sad and telling that so many duders come out of the woodwork to 'be offended at your offense' and feel embattled.<\/p>No one should feel threatened by this discussion. Criticizing a tits-out statue is not defaming men, manliness or threatening any man's right to like tits. It's problematizing the persistent idea that women are frequently reduced to functions of the sexual gratification of men.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>mrfluke<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>6260<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>-1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By mrfluke<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@SlashDance<\/strong> said:<\/p>This article is completely one-sided,<\/p>That said, I would've liked to read some counter arguments.<\/p><\/blockquote>I thought annas one was the best, as it seemed like the most level headed well rounded opinion out of the bunch. like personally i wouldn't be surprised if 7 of these ladies are labeled feminists by the community (id say about 4 i think are feminists) but people are crazy if they label anna as a feminist.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Talis12<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>524<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 1<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Talis12<\/a><\/div><\/div>where were these women when a giant penis erupted on stage at the VGA awards? owwwww right.... it only counts when its female body parts. my bad...<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>audioBusting<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>2581<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>5644<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 26<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By audioBusting<\/a><\/div><\/div>
Thank you for the great article! I really appreciated it-- these women are more articulate than I am, and they perfectly summarize the issues that I have with this statue. It's a shame that the people who I want to read this article seem to have no interest in actually reading it, but I guess that's the way of life.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>SirOptimusPrime<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>2076<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>13<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 3<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By SirOptimusPrime<\/a><\/div><\/div>I think the purpose of this article was to... uh, keep talking about it. Like the guy I quoted said. Keep talking about it and people will have to eventually respond, especially if the voices keep getting louder and louder. Hopefully the voices diversify and bad marketing ploys - that unfortunately work - will just stop.<\/p>Side-note: I find it hilarious that people hate Patrick's opinion being injected into his articles on a website centered around personalities. Maybe you dislike a personality (hey, I think most of Alex's writing could be copy pasted with liberal use of the F3 key to generate new articles) but you just move on.<\/i><\/p><\/span>@DazzHardy<\/strong> said:<\/p>It kind of saddens me that people think that not talking about these things is the best way to get them to stop. Simply ignoring the problems won't make them go away. This is one of those cases were it needs to be talked about often enough and as publicly as possible so that people understand why it's not a great idea to do dumb stuff like this. When it's been talked to death, that's when I think we'll start seeing it not come up so often, and thus not need to be spoken of so much.<\/blockquote><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Tidel<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>373<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>13<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Tidel<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@Stymie<\/strong> said:<\/p>I totally agree this statue was lame (but I wouldn't use the word \"offensive\"; you kind of have to be above things like this). However, I really, truly wish we could have these conversations without the constant tones of \"the industry obviously only treats women like this.\"<\/p>How many men do any GB readers know with the super muscular, broad shoulder, 0% body fat, perfect-chizzled-chin look that virtually every male video game character has? Video games are suffering no shortage of manwhores.<\/p><\/blockquote>The difference is, while the male form is often idealized, it is rarely objectified. It's an important distinction. When male characters are presented as solely a function of desire instead of active participants with agency, then you'd have a similar scenario. But that doesn't happen; and even if it did, it doesn't justify anything. The idea that 'men have it just as bad' doesn't excuse the fact that sexual objectification -- of anyone -- is problematic.<\/p>This statue represents the most base scenario of the objectification of women -- it's just a pair of clean, pert tits framed by the gory removal of all possible agency. It doesn't represent the entirety of women in games or gaming, but it exemplifies the persistent inequality in how gender and sex is represented, and to who, and why.<\/p>Just because you (or I) are not the 'idealized' man, that doesn't mean the idealized man is reductive of us or reflective of us; it represents a power fantasy. This statue also represents a power fantasy. That's the whole problem.<\/p>I think it's worth talking about. I think it's sad and telling that so many duders come out of the woodwork to 'be offended at your offense' and feel embattled.<\/p>No one should feel threatened by this discussion. Criticizing a tits-out statue is not defaming men, manliness or threatening any man's right to like tits. It's problematizing the persistent idea that women are frequently reduced to functions of the sexual gratification of men.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>mrfluke<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>6260<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>-1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By mrfluke<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@SlashDance<\/strong> said:<\/p>This article is completely one-sided,<\/p>That said, I would've liked to read some counter arguments.<\/p><\/blockquote>I thought annas one was the best, as it seemed like the most level headed well rounded opinion out of the bunch. like personally i wouldn't be surprised if 7 of these ladies are labeled feminists by the community (id say about 4 i think are feminists) but people are crazy if they label anna as a feminist.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Talis12<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>524<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 1<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Talis12<\/a><\/div><\/div>where were these women when a giant penis erupted on stage at the VGA awards? owwwww right.... it only counts when its female body parts. my bad...<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>audioBusting<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>2581<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>5644<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 26<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By audioBusting<\/a><\/div><\/div>
I think the purpose of this article was to... uh, keep talking about it. Like the guy I quoted said. Keep talking about it and people will have to eventually respond, especially if the voices keep getting louder and louder. Hopefully the voices diversify and bad marketing ploys - that unfortunately work - will just stop.<\/p>Side-note: I find it hilarious that people hate Patrick's opinion being injected into his articles on a website centered around personalities. Maybe you dislike a personality (hey, I think most of Alex's writing could be copy pasted with liberal use of the F3 key to generate new articles) but you just move on.<\/i><\/p><\/span>@DazzHardy<\/strong> said:<\/p>It kind of saddens me that people think that not talking about these things is the best way to get them to stop. Simply ignoring the problems won't make them go away. This is one of those cases were it needs to be talked about often enough and as publicly as possible so that people understand why it's not a great idea to do dumb stuff like this. When it's been talked to death, that's when I think we'll start seeing it not come up so often, and thus not need to be spoken of so much.<\/blockquote><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Tidel<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>373<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>13<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 0<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Tidel<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@Stymie<\/strong> said:<\/p>I totally agree this statue was lame (but I wouldn't use the word \"offensive\"; you kind of have to be above things like this). However, I really, truly wish we could have these conversations without the constant tones of \"the industry obviously only treats women like this.\"<\/p>How many men do any GB readers know with the super muscular, broad shoulder, 0% body fat, perfect-chizzled-chin look that virtually every male video game character has? Video games are suffering no shortage of manwhores.<\/p><\/blockquote>The difference is, while the male form is often idealized, it is rarely objectified. It's an important distinction. When male characters are presented as solely a function of desire instead of active participants with agency, then you'd have a similar scenario. But that doesn't happen; and even if it did, it doesn't justify anything. The idea that 'men have it just as bad' doesn't excuse the fact that sexual objectification -- of anyone -- is problematic.<\/p>This statue represents the most base scenario of the objectification of women -- it's just a pair of clean, pert tits framed by the gory removal of all possible agency. It doesn't represent the entirety of women in games or gaming, but it exemplifies the persistent inequality in how gender and sex is represented, and to who, and why.<\/p>Just because you (or I) are not the 'idealized' man, that doesn't mean the idealized man is reductive of us or reflective of us; it represents a power fantasy. This statue also represents a power fantasy. That's the whole problem.<\/p>I think it's worth talking about. I think it's sad and telling that so many duders come out of the woodwork to 'be offended at your offense' and feel embattled.<\/p>No one should feel threatened by this discussion. Criticizing a tits-out statue is not defaming men, manliness or threatening any man's right to like tits. It's problematizing the persistent idea that women are frequently reduced to functions of the sexual gratification of men.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>mrfluke<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>6260<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>-1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By mrfluke<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@SlashDance<\/strong> said:<\/p>This article is completely one-sided,<\/p>That said, I would've liked to read some counter arguments.<\/p><\/blockquote>I thought annas one was the best, as it seemed like the most level headed well rounded opinion out of the bunch. like personally i wouldn't be surprised if 7 of these ladies are labeled feminists by the community (id say about 4 i think are feminists) but people are crazy if they label anna as a feminist.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Talis12<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>524<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 1<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Talis12<\/a><\/div><\/div>where were these women when a giant penis erupted on stage at the VGA awards? owwwww right.... it only counts when its female body parts. my bad...<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>audioBusting<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>2581<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>5644<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 26<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By audioBusting<\/a><\/div><\/div>
<\/span>@Stymie<\/strong> said:<\/p>I totally agree this statue was lame (but I wouldn't use the word \"offensive\"; you kind of have to be above things like this). However, I really, truly wish we could have these conversations without the constant tones of \"the industry obviously only treats women like this.\"<\/p>How many men do any GB readers know with the super muscular, broad shoulder, 0% body fat, perfect-chizzled-chin look that virtually every male video game character has? Video games are suffering no shortage of manwhores.<\/p><\/blockquote>The difference is, while the male form is often idealized, it is rarely objectified. It's an important distinction. When male characters are presented as solely a function of desire instead of active participants with agency, then you'd have a similar scenario. But that doesn't happen; and even if it did, it doesn't justify anything. The idea that 'men have it just as bad' doesn't excuse the fact that sexual objectification -- of anyone -- is problematic.<\/p>This statue represents the most base scenario of the objectification of women -- it's just a pair of clean, pert tits framed by the gory removal of all possible agency. It doesn't represent the entirety of women in games or gaming, but it exemplifies the persistent inequality in how gender and sex is represented, and to who, and why.<\/p>Just because you (or I) are not the 'idealized' man, that doesn't mean the idealized man is reductive of us or reflective of us; it represents a power fantasy. This statue also represents a power fantasy. That's the whole problem.<\/p>I think it's worth talking about. I think it's sad and telling that so many duders come out of the woodwork to 'be offended at your offense' and feel embattled.<\/p>No one should feel threatened by this discussion. Criticizing a tits-out statue is not defaming men, manliness or threatening any man's right to like tits. It's problematizing the persistent idea that women are frequently reduced to functions of the sexual gratification of men.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>mrfluke<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>6260<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>-1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 0<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By mrfluke<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/span>@SlashDance<\/strong> said:<\/p>This article is completely one-sided,<\/p>That said, I would've liked to read some counter arguments.<\/p><\/blockquote>I thought annas one was the best, as it seemed like the most level headed well rounded opinion out of the bunch. like personally i wouldn't be surprised if 7 of these ladies are labeled feminists by the community (id say about 4 i think are feminists) but people are crazy if they label anna as a feminist.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Talis12<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>524<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 1<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Talis12<\/a><\/div><\/div>where were these women when a giant penis erupted on stage at the VGA awards? owwwww right.... it only counts when its female body parts. my bad...<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>audioBusting<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>2581<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>5644<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 26<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By audioBusting<\/a><\/div><\/div>
<\/span>@SlashDance<\/strong> said:<\/p>This article is completely one-sided,<\/p>That said, I would've liked to read some counter arguments.<\/p><\/blockquote>I thought annas one was the best, as it seemed like the most level headed well rounded opinion out of the bunch. like personally i wouldn't be surprised if 7 of these ladies are labeled feminists by the community (id say about 4 i think are feminists) but people are crazy if they label anna as a feminist.<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>Talis12<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>524<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>1<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 1<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 2<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By Talis12<\/a><\/div><\/div>where were these women when a giant penis erupted on stage at the VGA awards? owwwww right.... it only counts when its female body parts. my bad...<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>audioBusting<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>2581<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>5644<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 26<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By audioBusting<\/a><\/div><\/div>
where were these women when a giant penis erupted on stage at the VGA awards? owwwww right.... it only counts when its female body parts. my bad...<\/p><\/article>11 years ago<\/time><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/a>audioBusting<\/a><\/svg><\/i> Follow\n <\/a><\/div><\/header>2581<\/p>Forum Posts<\/p><\/div>5644<\/p>Wiki Points<\/p><\/div>0<\/p>Followers<\/p><\/div><\/section>Reviews:<\/span> 4<\/p>User Lists:<\/span> 26<\/p><\/section><\/div><\/div>\n Edited By audioBusting<\/a><\/div><\/div>
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