Combine Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader

Believe it or not they are two different pages!

Skywalker page:
http://www.giantbomb.com/anakin-skywalker/94-2949/
Darth Vader page:
http://www.giantbomb.com/darth-vader/94-308/

Also I posted this before and people said we shouldn't join them because "it would spoil the story", "they are two different characters", and "vader is simply not anakin! or I side with Ben Kenobi's take on this" I beg to differ, these two character pages NEED to be joined together, where does this logic take us? At what point exactly did Anakin become Darth Vader? when the emperor called him tha tfirst, when he executed his first order, when he killed mace windu, when he was cut into pieces, the first time he had the suit on? There are a million different point where he could have changed, also does he ever become anakin again before dying? Its just too damn silly! Also "it would spoil the story" is a null defense, character pages exist with far bigger and more recent spoilers than one that happened 30 years ago in a movie. And the whole Kenobi said they were two people is also idiotic, Kenobi was manipulating/lying/savng luke because conversations tend to wind down after you say, I cut 3 of you father's limbs and he's a mass murderer and servant of the empire. So join the two pages and add an alias please. I also saw in my original something about "theya re two different beings" I am quite sorry to differ but they are the SAME person, who decided to be evil of his own volition, if he had been possesed by a ghost or something I would understand, but this is character development!


If you keep the pages separate then we should have a clark kent page, a bruce wayne page, a ben kenobi page, a strider page (alter-ego of Aragorn), and a bart-man page. As long with any other alter'ego secret identity page.

*EDIT: Darth Vader's page starts by saying he was Anakin Skywalker, well so much for the spoiler argument*

Original post way back in August:
http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/delete-combine-requests/34/anakin-skywalkerdarth-vader/11540/#6

Dude, let it go. It's already been decided that the pages should be kept seperated.

Episode III has both Anakin and Vader in it. Problem solved.

Darth Vader is a different character than Anakin. That's it.

they definitely should be separated.  anakin before vader  takes over is the same loving person and he is after luke defeats vader. 

SEPERATE CHARACTERS. NURGHHHHHHHHHHHH!

No way, dude. Same guy, they need to be combined.

Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader may share the fact that Anakin is Darth Vader, but that's about all they share.  They are two very different characters, and therefore, should remain on the wiki as separate characters.  

Dude...spoilers...

"Dude...spoilers..."

they are the same person! they have a single article in wikipedia! for all intents and purposes they are the same! Just liek Jason Bourne and all of his alter egos.

"they are the same person! they have a single article in wikipedia! for all intents and purposes they are the same! Just liek Jason Bourne and all of his alter egos."

"chililili said:

"they are the same person! they have a single article in wikipedia! for all intents and purposes they are the same! Just liek Jason Bourne and all of his alter egos."

Let's put it this way:

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde wouldn't be on the same page.

Neither should Anakin and Darth Vader.

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Dude, its like Robin or dark knight. I know its the same person, but its is a totally different alter ego that doesn't depend on each other. Hence different character. The most you can do is make a link to each other.

Dude, I'd say Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde would need to have a single page too. People change over time, but that does not separate them into 2 different people. Do Batman and Bruce Wayne have separate pages? No, and they shouldn't. As much as you might want to forget about the existence of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, it doesn't change the fact that Darth Vader IS Anakin Skywalker. They must be combined. Samuel L. Jackson has my back on this. You don't want to make him angry.

"Dude, its like Robin or dark knight. I know its the same person."

Also, I'd just like to add that you shouldn't forget that Anakin turned to the dark side before transforming into Darth Vader. So if you're gonna say they're 2 different characters, then I guess we should break up Anakin into Light Anakin and Dark Anakin, and that's just completely stupid. Same character. Combine!

"StaticFalconar said:

"Dude, its like Robin or dark knight. I know its the same person."

Sir, I hope you get flamed hard for that one.  Robin and The Dark Knight are NOT the same person in any way, shape, or form...other than the context that they both lost their parents and fight crime.

chililili said:

"jakob187 said:

"chililili said:

"they are the same person! they have a single article in wikipedia! for all intents and purposes they are the same! Just liek Jason Bourne and all of his alter egos."

Let's put it this way:

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde wouldn't be on the same page.

Neither should Anakin and Darth Vader.

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The thing is he never suffers a disjoint personality or something that inherently separates his two beings, he has a character progression he turns evil over time and at the end decides against it because he sees his son in trouble. He is always aware of the fact that what he is doing is evil and what he must give up in order to be who he is. he never forgets he is Anakin and that comes into play as Darth Vader, he recognizes his relationship with Kenobi. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde on the other hand suffers a physical tranformation and is not aware of what their alter ego does (he uses a diary to take track of his actions). This is the same person he jsut decided to take another name like a luchador or something."

Becoming a Sith Lord causes a corruption of the mind due to the Dark Side of the Force overtaking one-self.  In turn, it has been argued for some time whether the Sith Lord of what once was another person can be considered an alter ego and, in some cases, a completely different personality.

Despite how you word it...Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are two different CHARACTERS...not PEOPLE.  Therefore, the characters themselves need separate pages.

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definition of character:  a person marked by notable or conspicuous traits

Quite frankly that's a pretty damn broad description in order to discuss literary terms or artistic term quite fankly webster doesn't cut it. By that definition real people are characters too also the argument is not that more than one character can inhabit the same body its that Anakin and Darth Vader are the same fucking person! he does not ahve amnesia, he does not ever forget his past or anything he is the same person who all of a sudden decides to take on a title (darth Vader) It would be the equivalent of a character taking on a title or getting an indian name or soemthing, he is the same person!! also refer to my original post at what is then darth vader no longer anaking skywalker?

I just asked my buddy (whose username here is lsxrevan...if that's any indication of his Star Wars fanboyish-ness) what he thought of the subject, to get a truly diehard opinion on the subject.  His response to me asking "do you think that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader should have separate Wiki pages or be combined as one":

I call them both Vader if that's a great argument enough for you. Also the fact that he is a star wars fan does not actually help him at all as he cannot give an objective opinion and I believe is too invested in the character. This argument is not really about darth vader/anakin specifically rather characters as a whole that follow a huge emotional change like them, in fact if we follow your logic we should have two separate pages for the main character of KOTOR because I believe he was a sith or something before, and we have to have two separate pages for Cloud when he is pre-amnesia and when the game begins. I just asked my sister what she thought and she said same page as they are the same person, if that means anythign to you. A page is for a single character/person ina  game he IS a single character/person.

I think a lot of good points were brought up on both sides.  Let's see what happens to this.

"Dude, its like Robin or dark knight. I know its the same person, but its is a totally different alter ego that doesn't depend on each other. Hence different character. The most you can do is make a link to each other."

I would go with a single page for Anakin Skywalker. I'm not a huge fanboy on the subject, but depending on how fine-grained you wanted to get about the whole thing, his getting stuck in suit at the end of Ep III is the result of a character progression through the first three movies. Whether we think the progression is handled well or not, one of the main points of even doing Ep I through III was to show how Anakin changed from being a cute blond kid to a scourge of the universe; looking at all six movies in a row, you even see his eventual redemption at the hands of his son.

So no mod decision?

Ok, here's the final decision from Jeff.  The Anakin Skywalker page will be merged into the Darth Vader page.  We'll put an alias into the new page so that anyone searching for Anakin Skywalker will be directed to the Darth Vader page. 

I really like the discussion here, and thanks for really exploring both sides of the issue.

They are different "characters", but Anakin always has traces of Vader, and Vader has traces of Anakin that tie them into one character. There isn't a wall separating them.

Lol that is a good point. I think they should definitely be combined. Although what I  first thought you meant was that you wanted to see a porn between Anakin and the Darthster.

"Lol that is a good point. I think they should definitely be combined. Although what I  first thought you meant was that you wanted to see a porn between Anakin and the Darthster."

I definitely think they should be combined.  All the reasons have been stated here. 

Bottom line merging isn't quite working right now.  On Comic Vine they are under one page.  It's a little weird talking about Clone Wars stuff and having Darth Vader listed.  Technically they should be merged but it is almost as if they are separate people.  Until merging is working, they'll have to remain separate.

"Bottom line merging isn't quite working right now.  On Comic Vine they are under one page.  It's a little weird talking about Clone Wars stuff and having Darth Vader listed.  Technically they should be merged but it is almost as if they are separate people.  Until merging is working, they'll have to remain separate."

"Bottom line merging isn't quite working right now.  On Comic Vine they are under one page.  It's a little weird talking about Clone Wars stuff and having Darth Vader listed.  Technically they should be merged but it is almost as if they are separate people.  Until merging is working, they'll have to remain separate."

"GMan said:

"Bottom line merging isn't quite working right now.  On Comic Vine they are under one page.  It's a little weird talking about Clone Wars stuff and having Darth Vader listed.  Technically they should be merged but it is almost as if they are separate people.  Until merging is working, they'll have to remain separate."

Comic Vine is not GiantBomb."

The official ruling is they are one character and should be one page.  Any info from the Anakin page should be brought over to the Darth Vader page.  This includes game appearances.  Anakin should be removed and Vader added.  The Anakin page will be going.

Hmm... hard to decide, this choice is.  If you grew up with the original trilogy, the name Anakin Skywalker -- while known to be the name of the guy who would become Vader -- just didn't get thrown around much.  We simply knew him as Vader (along with every other character in the movies).  How many times do you remember the name Anakin being thrown around?

Now if you are a little younger, you get to see the full picture, as you go the pleasure of getting to know the SW universe as a whole, and not the little tidbits we were fed over many years. Having said that, it makes it entirely logical to refer to Anakin and Vader separately as one and the same.

Personally, I would combine them.  However, you could somewhat justify separating them, by categorizing the movies as  "original" or "new" trilogy characters.

So not wanting to dig up the dead around here... but I was checking the onld pages I created and stuff, and anakin skywalker is still around! After Jeff and moderators agreed to merge it to one page. I went over to the Darth Vader page and the biography of his time as Anakin was never merged... so anyone care to delete the anakin skywalker page and put a note or something to prevent it from being put again? And then add the info to the Darth Vader one?

Merging only works on company pages.  I've been waiting for someone to add the Anakin info to the Vader page and then I'll delete Anakin.  I'd do it myself but just don't have the time.

Fuck this noise. They're different people entirely. Like Obi Wan said to luke, Darth Vader killed his father.

Obi-Wan lied.  This argument was settled a month ago.

He's more machine than man now. He can not LOVE or FEEL. He has a completely different fighting style and lost his east coast accent for a british black guy's voice. It's also more organized if their pages are kept seperate.

"Merging only works on company pages.  I've been waiting for someone to add the Anakin info to the Vader page and then I'll delete Anakin.  I'd do it myself but just don't have the time."