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#1  Edited By mikevanpwn
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#2  Edited By jeff

Actually, the proper move here is to delete the character page. Koffing is a race/species, not an individual character.

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#4  Edited By RandomHero666

Its pretty dumb that every individual pokemon is considered a concept, by that reckoning every single monster or fiend in the game universe is also a concept.
Pokemon - Concept.
Pikachu / watever - Character.

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#5  Edited By coakroach

KOFAAAAAAAAAAANG!
He pwns all ground pokemon with levitate in Ruby

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#6  Edited By Giantkitty
RandomHero666 said:
"Its pretty dumb that every individual pokemon is considered a concept, by that reckoning every single monster or fiend in the game universe is also a concept.
Pokemon - Concept.
Pikachu / watever - Character."
Pikachu is the exception because there's the race, and there's the character that hangs around Ash.
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#7  Edited By AndrewJD

Well if Pikachu is a character then so is Koffing, however I don't think that's accurate as Pikachu is a species of Pokemon. If he had a name like 'Sparky' though then ye he'd be a character, but Ash couln't be bothered to give im a nickname could he :)

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#8  Edited By Giantkitty

>Well if Pikachu is a character then so is Koffing

Is there a unique Koffing that differentiates itself from other Koffings? Pikachu is a unique Pokemon because he hangs around Ash, and people assume it's him (the character) in the Super Smash Bros. games, not any member of the Pikachu race. He (the character)  is also the mascot of Pokemon, not just any Pikachu (ther race)

>however I don't think that's accurate as Pikachu is a species of Pokemon.

Is his name Pikachu? Yes. Is he a member of the Pikachu race? Yes. They're both 100% accurate. Let's look at the character Pig from the Barnyard series. Is he a pig? Yes. Is his name Pig? yes. Saying one is more accurate than the other is like asking which is more true: are you a human being or are you named (insert name here)? Both are absolutely correct. It's the fallacy of the false dilemma because you're forcing people to choose one or the other, when it's both.

>If he had a name like 'Sparky' though then ye he'd be a character, but Ash couln't be bothered to give im a nickname could he :)

What the character is named is irrelevant to whether he is one or not. But yeah, this is all Ash's fault.

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#9  Edited By LordAndrew
mubress said:
"Well if Pikachu is a character then so is Koffing, however I don't think that's accurate as Pikachu is a species of Pokemon. If he had a name like 'Sparky' though then ye he'd be a character, but Ash couln't be bothered to give im a nickname could he :)"
Just because Ash didn't nickname him, that doesn't make him any less of a character.
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#10  Edited By hexogen

Doesn't the Pikachu from Pokemon Yellow count as a unique character? Sure, its part of the species of Pikachu, but in Yellow it has its own unique personality different from all other Pikachu. Even if you catch other Pikachu during the game, they'll never follow you around the map or refuse to evolve like the Pikachu you get at the beginning.

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#11  Edited By jeff
Hexogen said:
"Doesn't the Pikachu from Pokemon Yellow count as a unique character? Sure, its part of the species of Pikachu, but in Yellow it has its own unique personality different from all other Pikachu. Even if you catch other Pikachu during the game, they'll never follow you around the map or refuse to evolve like the Pikachu you get at the beginning."
You are exactly correct. Pikachu the character page is devoted to this specific instance of Pikachu, while there could also be a Pikachu concept page devoted to the species.
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#12  Edited By DualReaver

Both Koffing pages should be deleted. It's so weak.

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#13  Edited By LordAndrew
DualReaver said:
"Both Koffing pages should be deleted. It's so weak."
Koffing is a legitimate Pokemon, weak as it may be.
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#14  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator
Jeff said:
"Hexogen said:
"Doesn't the Pikachu from Pokemon Yellow count as a unique character? Sure, its part of the species of Pikachu, but in Yellow it has its own unique personality different from all other Pikachu. Even if you catch other Pikachu during the game, they'll never follow you around the map or refuse to evolve like the Pikachu you get at the beginning."
You are exactly correct. Pikachu the character page is devoted to this specific instance of Pikachu, while there could also be a Pikachu concept page devoted to the species."
What about pokemon that apeared as a specific character in the super smash bros. games? Should they have a character page?
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#15  Edited By Discorsi

yea that's a pretty interesting idea.  Mewtwo for sure should have a character page but the others I'm not as sure about.

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#16  Edited By Arkthemaniac

Just get rid of all Pokemon pages. That's my solution, the AMERICAN solution.

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#17  Edited By joey

Just create a seperate category for all pokemon!

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#18  Edited By JohnDudebro

There are some Pokemon that are specific characters. For example, guys like Mewtwo or Dialga are one-of-a-kind Pokemon. There is only one of them in any given world, and to get more you have to kind of cheat. Therefore, those specific Pokemon are characters. Everyone else is probably a concept.

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#19  Edited By Jayge_
MattyFTM said:
"What about pokemon that apeared as a specific character in the super smash bros. games? Should they have a character page?"
No; there really aren't many pokemon that qualify for a character page, besides Pikachu, since it's really the only "character" pokemon in a video game. Unless you count Meowth, who was in Yellow. Or Pokemon Rangers. Any character in that could possibly be one.

BananaKid said:
"There are some Pokemon that are specific characters. For example, guys like Mewtwo or Dialga are one-of-a-kind Pokemon. There is only one of them in any given world, and to get more you have to kind of cheat. Therefore, those specific Pokemon are characters. Everyone else is probably a concept."
Those don't have distinct personalities or appearances as emotionally interpretable characters, and as such should not be listed as one. The TV shows don't count.
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#20  Edited By AndrewJD

Ye I think some people (myself included) are confusing appearances in cartoons with games.

As Meowth is in Pokemon yellow though, I guess he could have a character page as well as Pikachu then?

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#21  Edited By JohnDudebro
Jayge said:
BananaKid said:
"There are some Pokemon that are specific characters. For example, guys like Mewtwo or Dialga are one-of-a-kind Pokemon. There is only one of them in any given world, and to get more you have to kind of cheat. Therefore, those specific Pokemon are characters. Everyone else is probably a concept."
Those don't have distinct personalities or appearances as emotionally interpretable characters, and as such should not be listed as one. The TV shows don't count.
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That might count out Mewtwo. But Dialga and Palkia, for instance, figure heavily into the storylines of Diamond and Pearl. They are treated as characters in that respect, since they do take action and (to some extent) communicate. Groudon and Kyogre might qualify as well, for their roles in Ruby and Sapphire. Plus, they all have a big backstory to them (Groudon and Kyogre's big fight, Dialga and Palkia creating time and space), so I feel like that, at the very least, qualifies them as characters.
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#22  Edited By LordAndrew
BananaKid said:
"Jayge said:
BananaKid said:
"There are some Pokemon that are specific characters. For example, guys like Mewtwo or Dialga are one-of-a-kind Pokemon. There is only one of them in any given world, and to get more you have to kind of cheat. Therefore, those specific Pokemon are characters. Everyone else is probably a concept."
Those don't have distinct personalities or appearances as emotionally interpretable characters, and as such should not be listed as one. The TV shows don't count.
"
That might count out Mewtwo. But Dialga and Palkia, for instance, figure heavily into the storylines of Diamond and Pearl. They are treated as characters in that respect, since they do take action and (to some extent) communicate. Groudon and Kyogre might qualify as well, for their roles in Ruby and Sapphire. Plus, they all have a big backstory to them (Groudon and Kyogre's big fight, Dialga and Palkia creating time and space), so I feel like that, at the very least, qualifies them as characters."
I haven't gotten that far in the game, but that might indeed qualify them as characters.