Delete: Koffing (Concept)
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There are two Koffing pages. One as a character and one as a concept. The one above is the concept page.
Ah, alright, that does make sense now.
Thats the char page:
http://www.giantbomb.com/koffing/94-202/
Its pretty dumb that every individual pokemon is considered a concept, by that reckoning every single monster or fiend in the game universe is also a concept.
Pokemon - Concept.
Pikachu / watever - Character.
"Its pretty dumb that every individual pokemon is considered a concept, by that reckoning every single monster or fiend in the game universe is also a concept.Pikachu is the exception because there's the race, and there's the character that hangs around Ash.
Pokemon - Concept.
Pikachu / watever - Character."
>Well if Pikachu is a character then so is Koffing
Is there a unique Koffing that differentiates itself from other Koffings? Pikachu is a unique Pokemon because he hangs around Ash, and people assume it's him (the character) in the Super Smash Bros. games, not any member of the Pikachu race. He (the character) is also the mascot of Pokemon, not just any Pikachu (ther race)
>however I don't think that's accurate as Pikachu is a species of Pokemon.
Is his name Pikachu? Yes. Is he a member of the Pikachu race? Yes. They're both 100% accurate. Let's look at the character Pig from the Barnyard series. Is he a pig? Yes. Is his name Pig? yes. Saying one is more accurate than the other is like asking which is more true: are you a human being or are you named (insert name here)? Both are absolutely correct. It's the fallacy of the false dilemma because you're forcing people to choose one or the other, when it's both.
>If he had a name like 'Sparky' though then ye he'd be a character, but Ash couln't be bothered to give im a nickname could he :)
What the character is named is irrelevant to whether he is one or not. But yeah, this is all Ash's fault.
"Well if Pikachu is a character then so is Koffing, however I don't think that's accurate as Pikachu is a species of Pokemon. If he had a name like 'Sparky' though then ye he'd be a character, but Ash couln't be bothered to give im a nickname could he :)"Just because Ash didn't nickname him, that doesn't make him any less of a character.
Doesn't the Pikachu from Pokemon Yellow count as a unique character? Sure, its part of the species of Pikachu, but in Yellow it has its own unique personality different from all other Pikachu. Even if you catch other Pikachu during the game, they'll never follow you around the map or refuse to evolve like the Pikachu you get at the beginning.
"Doesn't the Pikachu from Pokemon Yellow count as a unique character? Sure, its part of the species of Pikachu, but in Yellow it has its own unique personality different from all other Pikachu. Even if you catch other Pikachu during the game, they'll never follow you around the map or refuse to evolve like the Pikachu you get at the beginning."You are exactly correct. Pikachu the character page is devoted to this specific instance of Pikachu, while there could also be a Pikachu concept page devoted to the species.
"Both Koffing pages should be deleted. It's so weak."Koffing is a legitimate Pokemon, weak as it may be.
"Hexogen said:What about pokemon that apeared as a specific character in the super smash bros. games? Should they have a character page?"Doesn't the Pikachu from Pokemon Yellow count as a unique character? Sure, its part of the species of Pikachu, but in Yellow it has its own unique personality different from all other Pikachu. Even if you catch other Pikachu during the game, they'll never follow you around the map or refuse to evolve like the Pikachu you get at the beginning."You are exactly correct. Pikachu the character page is devoted to this specific instance of Pikachu, while there could also be a Pikachu concept page devoted to the species."
There are some Pokemon that are specific characters. For example, guys like Mewtwo or Dialga are one-of-a-kind Pokemon. There is only one of them in any given world, and to get more you have to kind of cheat. Therefore, those specific Pokemon are characters. Everyone else is probably a concept.
"What about pokemon that apeared as a specific character in the super smash bros. games? Should they have a character page?"No; there really aren't many pokemon that qualify for a character page, besides Pikachu, since it's really the only "character" pokemon in a video game. Unless you count Meowth, who was in Yellow. Or Pokemon Rangers. Any character in that could possibly be one.
BananaKid said:
"There are some Pokemon that are specific characters. For example, guys like Mewtwo or Dialga are one-of-a-kind Pokemon. There is only one of them in any given world, and to get more you have to kind of cheat. Therefore, those specific Pokemon are characters. Everyone else is probably a concept."Those don't have distinct personalities or appearances as emotionally interpretable characters, and as such should not be listed as one. The TV shows don't count.
BananaKid said:That might count out Mewtwo. But Dialga and Palkia, for instance, figure heavily into the storylines of Diamond and Pearl. They are treated as characters in that respect, since they do take action and (to some extent) communicate. Groudon and Kyogre might qualify as well, for their roles in Ruby and Sapphire. Plus, they all have a big backstory to them (Groudon and Kyogre's big fight, Dialga and Palkia creating time and space), so I feel like that, at the very least, qualifies them as characters."There are some Pokemon that are specific characters. For example, guys like Mewtwo or Dialga are one-of-a-kind Pokemon. There is only one of them in any given world, and to get more you have to kind of cheat. Therefore, those specific Pokemon are characters. Everyone else is probably a concept."Those don't have distinct personalities or appearances as emotionally interpretable characters, and as such should not be listed as one. The TV shows don't count.
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"Jayge said:I haven't gotten that far in the game, but that might indeed qualify them as characters.BananaKid said:That might count out Mewtwo. But Dialga and Palkia, for instance, figure heavily into the storylines of Diamond and Pearl. They are treated as characters in that respect, since they do take action and (to some extent) communicate. Groudon and Kyogre might qualify as well, for their roles in Ruby and Sapphire. Plus, they all have a big backstory to them (Groudon and Kyogre's big fight, Dialga and Palkia creating time and space), so I feel like that, at the very least, qualifies them as characters.""There are some Pokemon that are specific characters. For example, guys like Mewtwo or Dialga are one-of-a-kind Pokemon. There is only one of them in any given world, and to get more you have to kind of cheat. Therefore, those specific Pokemon are characters. Everyone else is probably a concept."Those don't have distinct personalities or appearances as emotionally interpretable characters, and as such should not be listed as one. The TV shows don't count.
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