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#1 Edited by Deusoma (3001 posts) -

So, as I recall, it turned out that the only reason pornographic images were allowed on the site in the first place was because someone forgot to delete that text when copying some rules over from Anime Vice (may it rest in peace). Since that has since been corrected, and the images purged, doesn't it follow that we should remove all of the pages for the pornographic games too? I mean, the entry for RapeLay is darkly hilarious and all, but come on, people. Leisure Suit Larry is one thing, but having "games" intended for you to masturbate to listed alongside actual video games really takes away from whatever class this database has.

#2 Posted by DarthOrange (3852 posts) -

GiantBomb.com, the worlds number one source for naked cartoon pussy, should have a wiki that includes all of the videogames, including those that make your dick wiggle.

#3 Posted by BeachThunder (11713 posts) -

They are games that exist (or have existed), therefore they should be in the database. The wiki isn't about just listing all good games, all well-known games, all games that cast gaming in a positive light, etc...; it's about all games - good, bad, creepy, whatever.

And where would you want to draw the line - Leisure Suit Larry is OK, but not RapeLay? I don't like how RapeLay is often used as a straw-man by politicians, but we should not just brush it under the rug and pretend that it simply doesn't exist.

#4 Posted by StarvingGamer (8030 posts) -

They are games that exist (or have existed), therefore they should be in the database. The wiki isn't about just listing all good games, all well-known games, all games that cast gaming in a positive light, etc...; it's about all games - good, bad, creepy, whatever.

And where would you want to draw the line - Leisure Suit Larry is OK, but not RapeLay? I don't like how RapeLay is often used as a straw-man by politicians, but we should not just brush it under the rug and pretend that it simply doesn't exist.

Yep

#5 Edited by expensiveham (289 posts) -

They're still video games. Why would they not be included?

#6 Edited by supamon (1333 posts) -

@beachthunder said:

They are games that exist (or have existed), therefore they should be in the database. The wiki isn't about just listing all good games, all well-known games, all games that cast gaming in a positive light, etc...; it's about all games - good, bad, creepy, whatever.

And where would you want to draw the line - Leisure Suit Larry is OK, but not RapeLay? I don't like how RapeLay is often used as a straw-man by politicians, but we should not just brush it under the rug and pretend that it simply doesn't exist.

Yep

Ditto.

#7 Edited by OfficeGamer (1087 posts) -

GiantBomb.com, the worlds number one source for naked cartoon pussy, should have a wiki that includes all of the videogames, including those that make your dick wiggle.

#8 Edited by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

Don't you impose your "morals" in to me. Least i tip off Patrick about your discrimination against naked cartoon pussy.

#9 Edited by DonChipotle (2696 posts) -

Ero games have game right in the name.

#10 Edited by Village_Guy (2504 posts) -
#11 Edited by Icicle7x3 (1174 posts) -

@supamon said:

@starvinggamer said:

@beachthunder said:

They are games that exist (or have existed), therefore they should be in the database. The wiki isn't about just listing all good games, all well-known games, all games that cast gaming in a positive light, etc...; it's about all games - good, bad, creepy, whatever.

And where would you want to draw the line - Leisure Suit Larry is OK, but not RapeLay? I don't like how RapeLay is often used as a straw-man by politicians, but we should not just brush it under the rug and pretend that it simply doesn't exist.

Yep

Ditto.

Agreed

#12 Posted by NekuSakuraba (7240 posts) -

If there are no explicit pictures of them in the wiki, I think it's fine. The wiki should be a source for all your information on video games, even the weird and crappy ones.

#13 Edited by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

First they killed Anime Vice, and I didn't speak up because some dumb anime meme,

Then they killed Happy Hour, and I didn't speak up because that was just two hours of awkwardness,

Then they killed achievements, and I didn't speak up because I didn't really care,

Then they came for the Porn Games, and no one had their pants on to say no.

#14 Posted by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

First they come for our Guns then they come for our Rape games. THANKS OBAMA.

#15 Posted by TooWalrus (13139 posts) -

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If Naked Cartoon Pussy is outlawed, only outlaws will have Naked Cartoon Pussy.

#16 Edited by Brodehouse (9624 posts) -

And here we are with all the white knights treating Naked Cartoon Pussy like it has no agency! The urge to make Naked Cartoon Pussy into a damsel in distress is sickening! Naked Cartoon Pussy is fully capable of defending itself against the rape tentacles of public opinion.

See more on r/nakedcartoonrights

#17 Posted by Jams (2959 posts) -

I had a dream last night that I made my own version of Custer's revenge and it was pretty much the same game but the humping animation when you reach the girl as better. Is that weird?

#18 Posted by ajamafalous (11866 posts) -

They are games that exist (or have existed), therefore they should be in the database. The wiki isn't about just listing all good games, all well-known games, all games that cast gaming in a positive light, etc...; it's about all games - good, bad, creepy, whatever.

And where would you want to draw the line - Leisure Suit Larry is OK, but not RapeLay? I don't like how RapeLay is often used as a straw-man by politicians, but we should not just brush it under the rug and pretend that it simply doesn't exist.

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#19 Posted by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

@jams said:

I had a dream last night that I made my own version of Custer's revenge and it was pretty much the same game but the humping animation when you reach the girl as better. Is that weird?

I'm holding out for Custer's Revenge HD

#20 Posted by Hailinel (23948 posts) -

@deusoma: I like how you're implying people have never masturbated to Leisure Suit Larry.

#21 Edited by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@deusoma: I like how you're implying people have never masturbated to Leisure Suit Larry.

Got anything you'd like to admit?

#22 Posted by Hailinel (23948 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@deusoma: I like how you're implying people have never masturbated to Leisure Suit Larry.

Got anything you'd like to admit?

Not particularly. Just making an observation. :P

#23 Edited by FunkasaurasRex (847 posts) -

I don't think I'd ever read the wiki entry for RapeLay until now. I'm glad that we have enough sick motherfuckers here at GB to ensure all games are sufficiently documented.

#24 Posted by MikkaQ (10268 posts) -

I just don't get why these are any more appropriate than the dumb flash games we don't allow on our wiki. At least those have real gameplay.

#25 Posted by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

I don't think I'd ever read the wiki entry for RapeLay until now. I'm glad that we have enough sick motherfuckers here at GB to ensure all games are sufficiently documented.

We also have wonderful pages on Incest done by none other than @hailinel xD

#26 Posted by TopSteer (640 posts) -
#27 Posted by President_Barackbar (3438 posts) -

@mikkaq said:

I just don't get why these are any more appropriate than the dumb flash games we don't allow on our wiki. At least those have real gameplay.

Because the GB Wiki exists to document RETAIL products. You can actually buy these porn games somewhere.

#28 Posted by StarvingGamer (8030 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@demoskinos said:

@hailinel said:

@deusoma: I like how you're implying people have never masturbated to Leisure Suit Larry.

Got anything you'd like to admit?

Not particularly. Just making an observation. :P

We were all 12 and desperate once.

Okay, maybe not all you kids that grew up with internets.

#29 Edited by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@demoskinos said:

@hailinel said:

@deusoma: I like how you're implying people have never masturbated to Leisure Suit Larry.

Got anything you'd like to admit?

Not particularly. Just making an observation. :P

We were all 12 and desperate once.

Okay, maybe not all you kids that grew up with internets.

You haven't lived until you've watched a scrambled porn channel for and hour to see possibly a millisecond of a nipple.

#30 Edited by LordAndrew (14424 posts) -
@deusoma said:

So, as I recall, it turned out that the only reason pornographic images were allowed on the site in the first place was because someone forgot to delete that text when copying some rules over from Anime Vice (may it rest in peace).

Actually, before it was changed to the "official art from the publisher" thing from Anime Vice, it said this:

No nudity or nudity related fan art on the site. The exception is for nudity that is IN-GAME in the store bought version of the game.

The FAQ did not carry a blanket ban on all nudity until 2011.

Are you actually suggesting that just because the offending images are gone, all the games have to be removed too? Plenty of those games still have images attached because the remaining images violate no rules. And even if a game had all its images removed, we don't delete things just because they have no images. There are a considerable number of games in the database that have no images at all, and that's fine.

#31 Posted by Deusoma (3001 posts) -

@mikkaq said:

I just don't get why these are any more appropriate than the dumb flash games we don't allow on our wiki. At least those have real gameplay.

You know, I was basically expecting the response this thread got, but I'm glad to see at least one other person who'd like to see the community they enjoy adopt some semblance of standards. "Because it exists" has never been a good enough reason for anything else, so I'm not sure why it seems to be sufficient on Giant Bomb. Ah well. Someday...

#32 Edited by StarFoxA (5140 posts) -

@deusoma said:

@mikkaq said:

I just don't get why these are any more appropriate than the dumb flash games we don't allow on our wiki. At least those have real gameplay.

You know, I was basically expecting the response this thread got, but I'm glad to see at least one other person who'd like to see the community they enjoy adopt some semblance of standards. "Because it exists" has never been a good enough reason for anything else, so I'm not sure why it seems to be sufficient on Giant Bomb. Ah well. Someday...

These are actual games that were actually released, and Giant Bomb is a database of games, so I don't see why they shouldn't be included regardless of any moral standards.

#33 Posted by OldGuy (1517 posts) -

Ya know I think that the world would be a better place with a little more sex and a lot less violence. We should ban all the violent games and emphasize the sex games

Is there a limit on the gore you can have in a screen shot here? What (exactly) is wrong with nudity anyway?

#34 Posted by Deusoma (3001 posts) -

@starfoxa: The way that you say that like there's something wrong with having moral standards makes me very, very sad inside. I'm going to go lie down.

#35 Edited by StarFoxA (5140 posts) -

@deusoma: Well, I mean from a straight encyclopedia standpoint, there's no reason to not include them. It's just presentation of facts.

#36 Edited by Hamst3r (4456 posts) -

I think RapeLay is one of those games that has achieved such notoriety that it should definitely be in the wiki. It's pretty much a household name at this point, amongst gamers. Same with Custer's Revenge.

There's no need to catalog every porn game out there, but if another one becomes as infamous as RapeLay, I hope that it would be added to the wiki too.

#37 Posted by OfficeGamer (1087 posts) -

@dagbiker said:

Don't you impose your "morals" in to me. Least i tip off Patrick about your discrimination against naked cartoon pussy.

Actually Patrick is probably on a street somewhere holding a sign protesting the sexist naked cartoon pussy content on video game website Giantbomb.com

#38 Edited by Turambar (6677 posts) -

@deusoma said:

@mikkaq said:

I just don't get why these are any more appropriate than the dumb flash games we don't allow on our wiki. At least those have real gameplay.

You know, I was basically expecting the response this thread got, but I'm glad to see at least one other person who'd like to see the community they enjoy adopt some semblance of standards. "Because it exists" has never been a good enough reason for anything else, so I'm not sure why it seems to be sufficient on Giant Bomb. Ah well. Someday...

Pretty sure much of it has to do with the fact that quite a lot of porn games are actual games that has porn awkwardly inserted in them as opposed to porn that has games awkwardly inserted in them.

There's more gameplay in something like Kamidori than there is in something like Walking Dead if we really want to go down that absurd path.

#39 Posted by Turambar (6677 posts) -

@hamst3r said:

I think RapeLay is one of those games that has achieved such notoriety that it should definitely be in the wiki. It's pretty much a household name at this point, amongst gamers. Same with Custer's Revenge.

There's no need to catalog every porn game out there, but if another one becomes as infamous as RapeLay, I hope that it would be added to the wiki too.

Setting a threshold for fame/notoriety would be rather hard, no? Are we only going to consider games that reaches renown on a mass cultural level, or do well known games within smaller niches also make the mark then?

#40 Edited by Hamst3r (4456 posts) -

@turambar said:

@hamst3r said:

I think RapeLay is one of those games that has achieved such notoriety that it should definitely be in the wiki. It's pretty much a household name at this point, amongst gamers. Same with Custer's Revenge.

There's no need to catalog every porn game out there, but if another one becomes as infamous as RapeLay, I hope that it would be added to the wiki too.

Setting a threshold for fame/notoriety would be rather hard, no? Are we only going to consider games that reaches renown on a mass cultural level, or do well known games within smaller niches also make the mark then?

I don't mind the porn games being cataloged on GB, but in the even that they're all removed or limited in some way, I think RapeLay and Custer's Revenge should remain in place. As for where the bar is, "renown on a mass cultural level" sounds about right to me.

#41 Posted by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

@deusoma said:

@starfoxa: The way that you say that like there's something wrong with having moral standards makes me very, very sad inside. I'm going to go lie down.

Moral Standards? Dude, facts are facts this site is about cataloging video games as a medium. There is no room for morality to get in the way of facts because then you just start skewing what facts you present based on ideals.

#42 Edited by Turambar (6677 posts) -

@hamst3r said:

@turambar said:

@hamst3r said:

I think RapeLay is one of those games that has achieved such notoriety that it should definitely be in the wiki. It's pretty much a household name at this point, amongst gamers. Same with Custer's Revenge.

There's no need to catalog every porn game out there, but if another one becomes as infamous as RapeLay, I hope that it would be added to the wiki too.

Setting a threshold for fame/notoriety would be rather hard, no? Are we only going to consider games that reaches renown on a mass cultural level, or do well known games within smaller niches also make the mark then?

I don't mind the porn games being cataloged on GB, but in the even that they're all removed or limited in some way, I think RapeLay and Custer's Revenge should remain in place. As for where the bar is, "renown on a mass cultural level" sounds about right to me.

Fair enough. Though unless they are barred from the wiki for moral reasons, I don't suspect it happening ever. "Porn games have no gameplay" is a comment born out of ignorance more than anything else, as @psycosis spent a year proving.

#43 Posted by Snail (8584 posts) -

We should be judging the point of those apges not by the content of the games, but by their popularity, significance, editorial coverage, and platforms they were released on.

Browser games, for instance, have a lot more proving to do than games released on other platforms. The same goes for free PC games, in my opinion, but there doesn't seem to be a consensus on that. Whether or not they are pornographic games should not be a primary factor when considering the game's place in the wiki.

#44 Posted by Mento (2443 posts) -

Semi-related, but where does the wiki stand on including unlicensed porn games for the NES and other consoles that have/had strict guidelines preventing anything pornographic? I've been busy filling holes (so to speak) in the wiki's Famicom library, but I'm unsure where to proceed with all these unlicensed licentious types.

Excepting games like Custer's Revenge, Beat 'Em and Eat 'Em and Stroker because they've gained something of a notorious reputation, does this sort of game warrant a wiki entry? I'm talking solely about the ones without official releases, not Eroge Games that are/were legally available to purchase.

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#45 Posted by Marino (4600 posts) -

The games should stay in the database regardless of their content. We just don't want explicit pictures in the image galleries (for several reasons).

@zombiepie spent a lot of time a year or so ago getting rid of them.

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#46 Posted by rebgav (1429 posts) -

@supamon said:

@starvinggamer said:

@beachthunder said:

I don't like how RapeLay is often used as a straw-man by politicians, but we should not just brush it under the rug and pretend that it simply doesn't exist.

Yep

Ditto.

Why not? Illusion did.

#47 Edited by AlexW00d (6189 posts) -

@oldguy said:

Ya know I think that the world would be a better place with a little more sex and a lot less violence. We should ban all the violent games and emphasize the sex games

Is there a limit on the gore you can have in a screen shot here? What (exactly) is wrong with nudity anyway?

This seems to be something very much baked into American society. The last time I was there I watched some TV whilst waiting for a storm to blow over, and they were showing Goodfellas at 4 in the afternoon. This version had all the violence left intact, but any swearing or nudity was censored. This was on bog standard television as well. Why was the violence ok, but tits and swears bad? Why at 11 at night are tits and swears still bad? If anything it should really be the other way around. Tits are apart of everybody's life, violence isn't.

That said, I am very opposed to all the creepy naked anime children these weird sex games involve.

#48 Posted by ZombiePie (5588 posts) -

@marino said:

The games should stay in the database regardless of their content. We just don't want explicit pictures in the image galleries (for several reasons).

@zombiepie spent a lot of time a year or so ago getting rid of them.

Those were dark days indeed.....

A misconception is that I deleted wiki pages. I never actually did. I gave a short list of pornographic games to the old community manager of the site, Ethan. I think some pages got deleted, but I'm not completely certain as we, the moderators, didn't have the pure ability to delete pages until recently. Now that he's no longer on the team it's doubtful a massive deletion program would ever be initiated, nor is it necessary at this point. These are commercial products that meet our criteria for warranting inclusion in our database. Though occasionally I have to delete some images here and there.

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#49 Edited by Hailinel (23948 posts) -

@funkasaurasrex said:

I don't think I'd ever read the wiki entry for RapeLay until now. I'm glad that we have enough sick motherfuckers here at GB to ensure all games are sufficiently documented.

We also have wonderful pages on Incest done by none other than @hailinel xD

That page will follow me until either death or the internet singularity.

Well, that and the rape page.

I'm honestly surprised neither of those have been requested for deletion more often. And given Deusoma's stance on porn games in the wiki, I'm surprised that he's contributed to both.

#50 Posted by Demoskinos (14579 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@demoskinos said:

@funkasaurasrex said:

I don't think I'd ever read the wiki entry for RapeLay until now. I'm glad that we have enough sick motherfuckers here at GB to ensure all games are sufficiently documented.

We also have wonderful pages on Incest done by none other than @hailinel xD

That page will follow me until either death or the internet singularity.

Well, that and the rape page.

I'm honestly surprised neither of those have been requested for deletion more often. And given Deusoma's stance on porn games in the wiki, I'm surprised that he's contributed to both.

Wow, I didn't catch that. That makes this even more hilarious.