This is a good example of a Wiki entry that shouldn't exist

"I still don't understand how you're completely ignoring the fact that all the images aren't official. Whether it's real or not is irrelevant. It's still all based on rumor."

"Lies said:

"MB said:

"Patchinko said:

"The usefulness of a Wiki is reduced when entries are removed needlessly.

That page should exist and should have more information in it, particularly about how it was a secret project that was in development until Ensemble was shut down, and how images of it were available on an online artist's portfolio page linked from Ensemble itself.

There isinformation about this out there. If this is truly a Wiki of all things videogame, this should have a page.

I'm not sure why you people think limiting the relevant information in this database is a good thing. If you think this site shouldn't be a place to look up things like the failed "Halo MMO" project for information about it, you're truly limiting the scope of this site and, as I said earlier, reducing its usefulness."

Do you think there should be a page for Infinity Ward's next Call of Duty game?"

That's not a valid comparison MB. There is no information period about COD6, except the assumption that it is probably coming. With the HALO MMO, we know it was under development at Ensemble before it shut down, we have concept art and UI mockups, and some small dev leaks. The comparison to COD6 just doesn't really hold."

Yeah, his argument is that he doesn't believe the screenshots or evidence for the project present in the article (and numerous others). Given the plethora of information and evidence about this, I can't agree with him on it.

A gallery of images/concept art for the game.

This is utterly different from the COD6 page.

And if you want to be a stickler about what Jeff says, just ask him if it should be deleted. Making the blanket, "This is a good example of a Wiki entry that shouldn't exist" statement when you don't know if it should or shouldn't exist is wrong of you, especially with that little "Moderator" tag under your name. Your OPINION is that it shouldn't exist. I don't see an official statement from the horse's mouth here."

We know the Halo MMO was canced, 

"Patchinko said:

"I mean, Starcraft: Ghost's page existing and having a great deal of info in it isn't precedent enough for keeping this page for you? Or do you think Starcraft: Ghost's page should be deleted?

Starcraft: Ghost was officially announced, and officially canceled."

"(Correct answer on that, by the way, would probably be "They aren't comparable" because Starcraft: Ghost was even playable at E3 before it got canned. But the comparison is closer than the comparison between this and COD6.)"

The same Gamasutra article you mentioned earlier is titled Ensemble Canceled Project was Halo MMO. That sounds like a cancellation to me.

"I mean, there is a Thrill Kill  page. That game was made, cancled, and turned into Wu Tang- Shaolin Style."

"The same Gamasutra article you mentioned earlier is titled Ensemble Canceled Project was Halo MMO. That sounds like a cancellation to me."

Don't pull that same "convenient quoting" bullshit you were pulling in other threads yesterday, breton. I covered my ass there.

"MattBodega said:

"The same Gamasutra article you mentioned earlier is titled Ensemble Canceled Project was Halo MMO. That sounds like a cancellation to me."

Are you being serious?  That's a third-party website which can hardly be taken as confirmation of a game's existence or cancellation."

"What is the resistance to making this a wiki of all things videogame?

Giant Bomb is a third party website that commented on the story. Ryan Davis remarked that "Microsoft and Ensemble have yet to comment on the authenticity of the shots, and the sourcing is a little sketchy, but all of the shots are highly evocative of the Halo aesthetic even when they're not canonical, and the sheer volume of concept art and mock-ups suggests they're legit."
If the guys upstairs think the project was legit, then I imagine their + 32 years of gaming coverage means it legit.
So a rumor of an unannounced game may be legit. Should it be on the site?
I see MB's and Breton's point and, more specifically, their fear. Lord knows I don't want Giant Bomb turning into a rumor encyclopedia.  But I'd don't want to ignore important projects, projects that are vital in the documentation of the medium, to be lost because they were no't officially announced.
Also, no need to be so hostile MB. If I came across as rude in my earlier comment, I apologize, but there is no need to turn the heat up in the forum.

"I think a brief mention of the Halo MMO in the franchise article is all that's needed. It was never named, it was never officially announced."

"Giant Bomb is a third party website that commented on the story. Ryan Davis remarked that "Microsoft and Ensemble have yet to comment on the authenticity of the shots, and the sourcing is a little sketchy, but all of the shots are highly evocative of the Halo aesthetic even when they're not canonical, and the sheer volume of concept art and mock-ups suggests they're legit."
If the guys upstairs think the project was legit, then I imagine their + 32 years of gaming coverage means it legit.
So a rumor of an unannounced game may be legit. Should it be on the site?
I see MB's and Breton's point and, more specifically, their fear. Lord knows I don't want Giant Bomb turning into a rumor encyclopedia.  But I'd don't want to ignore important projects, projects that are vital in the documentation of the medium, to be lost because they were no't officially announced.
Also, no need to be so hostile MB. If I came across as rude in my earlier comment, I apologize, but there is no need to turn the heat up in the forum."

"Patchinko said:

"What is the resistance to making this a wiki of all things videogame?

Again. Write about the rumor in the franchise page. I'd rather GiantBomb being a credible source than a "shit anything onto this site" site.
"

"LordAndrew said:

"I think a brief mention of the Halo MMO in the franchise article is all that's needed. It was never named, it was never officially announced."

I think you're onto something there Andrew - that seems like the best idea

No press release = no page."

Ryan Davis remarked that "Microsoft and Ensemble have yet to comment on the authenticity of the shots, and the sourcing is a little sketchy, but all of the shots are highly evocative of the Halo aesthetic even when they're not canonical, and the sheer volume of concept art and mock-ups suggests they're legit."

"Dude, if you can't take the time to even read the entire post you're responding to, what makes you think someone will want to have a discussion with you? Stop cherry-picking posts."

"MattBodega said:

"Giant Bomb is a third party website that commented on the story. Ryan Davis remarked that "Microsoft and Ensemble have yet to comment on the authenticity of the shots, and the sourcing is a little sketchy, but all of the shots are highly evocative of the Halo aesthetic even when they're not canonical, and the sheer volume of concept art and mock-ups suggests they're legit."
If the guys upstairs think the project was legit, then I imagine their + 32 years of gaming coverage means it legit.
So a rumor of an unannounced game may be legit. Should it be on the site?
I see MB's and Breton's point and, more specifically, their fear. Lord knows I don't want Giant Bomb turning into a rumor encyclopedia.  But I'd don't want to ignore important projects, projects that are vital in the documentation of the medium, to be lost because they were no't officially announced.
Also, no need to be so hostile MB. If I came across as rude in my earlier comment, I apologize, but there is no need to turn the heat up in the forum."

Well said,  and I can see their point also. I completely agree about COD6, for example.

But in this case, this isn't just a "rumor". Those aren't "fan art". The team that was developing this game existed. The game existed, albeit in early infancy. If a new classification for pages needs to be made to make room for relevant information on the Wiki, by all means make it. But stifling the content of the site by being that rigid is only reducing the value of the site all together.

breton said:

"Patchinko said:

"What is the resistance to making this a wiki of all things videogame?

Again. Write about the rumor in the franchise page. I'd rather GiantBomb being a credible source than a "shit anything onto this site" site.
"

Dude, if you can't take the time to even read the entire post you're responding to, what makes you think someone will want to have a discussion with you? Stop cherry-picking posts."

"Karmum said:

"This should be deleted, the game was canned several weeks ago."

Yes, we're quite aware of this. The question is whether it should exist as an archive of what we knew of the project."

Might as well have a MGS MMO page!

"Shotaro said:

"LordAndrew said:

"I think a brief mention of the Halo MMO in the franchise article is all that's needed. It was never named, it was never officially announced."

I think you're onto something there Andrew - that seems like the best idea

No press release = no page."

HALO franchise page is broken and uneditable."

"Lies said:

"Shotaro said:

"LordAndrew said:

"I think a brief mention of the Halo MMO in the franchise article is all that's needed. It was never named, it was never officially announced."

I think you're onto something there Andrew - that seems like the best idea

No press release = no page."

HALO franchise page is broken and uneditable."

forever?
or does it just need fixing?"

Surely, if you're going to write anything about it, it could get a brief mention in the Halo franchise page.
Same with COD6: There is currently another sequel to the Call of Duty franchise in development.

"Halo MMO

So...which user with live edit privileges wants to own up to creating this page?  Seriously guys, come on.  We went through this with the "Call of Duty 6" page.

(edited & moved to the Delete forum)"

Yeah at first I thought it should exist but after seeing your point of having 10000+ pages of pure rumors and cancelled games, I guess it should go :\

Deleted.

If GB is to be a definitive video game Wiki, it needs to have pages like this.  I really think taking it down and removing all assets is a bad idea.  If the article clearly states that the game was canceled, what is so wrong with that?  At least it provides an appropriate place for the little information we have.  Now, we're going to have to continually edit other Halo pages as this info gets moved around.  Removing this page only hurts this site.

We are not currently equipped to track down ghost stories or rumors and validate them. Perhaps there's some middle ground where we create a "rumored game" page type or something to that effect. But as far as we know, the Halo MMO could have just as easily leaked out from someone inside Ensemble wanting to play a practical joke on the world by inventing a game that was never in development and posting it on his art portfolio. For all we know the guy that made those could have just been messing around in his spare time with absolutely no backing from his employer. And since the chances of someone going on the record about this concept art seem to be quite slim, we'll probably never know for sure.

the idea of a section for rumoured or scrapped games sounds good.

"We are not currently equipped to track down ghost stories or rumors and validate them. Perhaps there's some middle ground where we create a "rumored game" page type or something to that effect. But as far as we know, the Halo MMO could have just as easily leaked out from someone inside Ensemble wanting to play a practical joke on the world by inventing a game that was never in development and posting it on his art portfolio. For all we know the guy that made those could have just been messing around in his spare time with absolutely no backing from his employer. And since the chances of someone going on the record about this concept art seem to be quite slim, we'll probably never know for sure.

Jumping to conclusions by posting totally baseless information and claiming it as absolute fact hurts the site even more.

"

In one way having no canceled games at all would be good, as why have information on games that don't exist?
But it could also be useful to find out that hey, that game totally got canned. The current system makes sense.

Having a rumor mill / speculation section could be pretty useful indeed.

"the idea of a section for rumoured or scrapped games sounds good."

"it could have a page with a big CANCELLED at top"

"In one way having no canceled games at all would be good"

Welcome to Wikipedia Town :(

Everything goes back to that one story on Gamasutra which is nothing more than a series of guesses surrounding a gallery of screenshots that may or may not have come from Ensemble.  It's laughable at worst, grasping at straws at best.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of games that enter the concept stage and never go any further than that, and for good reason.  Are we to allow Wiki pages for all of these scrapped ideas, too?  This whole thing has been blown completely out of proportion because of the HALO aspect of this alleged "game".   If there were a few unconfirmed screenshots of a Barbie Horse Adventures MMO, we wouldn't even be having this discussion...the page would have simply been deleted.

"Deleted.

The rule here is that games that have been formally announced and later canceled can have pages. There's an actual paper trail there with factual info.

Rumored, unannounced, or games that were supposedly canceled before being shown to the public don't get pages because all of that info is founded in leaks and hearsay.

If we had pages for every project that made it to the concept art page but never went beyond that, we'd have three times as many game pages in the system and they'd all be useless.

"

"We are not currently equipped to track down ghost stories or rumors and validate them. Perhaps there's some middle ground where we create a "rumored game" page type or something to that effect. But as far as we know, the Halo MMO could have just as easily leaked out from someone inside Ensemble wanting to play a practical joke on the world by inventing a game that was never in development and posting it on his art portfolio. For all we know the guy that made those could have just been messing around in his spare time with absolutely no backing from his employer. And since the chances of someone going on the record about this concept art seem to be quite slim, we'll probably never know for sure.

Jumping to conclusions by posting totally baseless information and claiming it as absolute fact hurts the site even more.

"