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#1 Posted by snide (2413 posts) -

This may just be a temporary adjustment but for now only 5000 point users will have their brand new pages (meaning pages that are brand new from scratch) approved automatically. We had to add this in because too many people were adding pages that were already in the system.


Bummer I know, and something we can likely tune back down over time but deleting/merging pages takes up the most man hours, so we're trying to slow down the instances of that happening.

Please read my search / alias post on how to properly check for items that may not show up in our automatic search.
#2 Posted by Oy (280 posts) -

seems fair

#3 Posted by Conner (88 posts) -

Somewhat good idea. I never thought it was being that much of a problem however. Hopefully it will be able to go down eventually.

#4 Posted by rckbikes (75 posts) -

i agree with that decision

#5 Posted by chililili (1328 posts) -

Its ok I'm jsut mroe worried as to how they will be able to sort through all submissions in the site.

#6 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -

That makes sense.

#7 Posted by snide (2413 posts) -
chililili said:
"Its ok I'm jsut mroe worried as to how they will be able to sort through all submissions in the site.
"
Me too, but our team has some nifty ideas that don't involve Jeff & the crew slaving away all day (the current solution).

Thanks for your patience.
#8 Posted by Kush (8889 posts) -

I think it's a really good idea...and I actually wish there was a change in the point system for uploading pics. You get 1 point for adding a pic to a game and 1 point for each gallery it's in. I could upload 500 screenshots for Forza 2 and post them in the Screenshots/X360 Screenshots galleries and get 1500 points from that...I don't know, but I just feel like that could be abused if someone wanted to mess around with pages and needed to get the points first.

#9 Posted by pyromaniac (1703 posts) -

okay thats fine..infact I think they should make it permanant

#10 Posted by hazelnutman (1097 posts) -

That's actually a pretty good idea.

Gives us all something extra to aim for rather than just 1000. I like personal challenges :P

#11 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -
snide said:
"chililili said:
"Its ok I'm jsut mroe worried as to how they will be able to sort through all submissions in the site.
"
Me too, but our team has some nifty ideas that don't involve Jeff & the crew slaving away all day (the current solution).

Thanks for your patience.
"
The nanomachines are going to control wiki submissions!
#12 Posted by MagusMaleficus (1049 posts) -

You guys wouldn't have to delete/convert duplicate pages if there was a way to see what is pending (without going to an individual's profile, which could be time consuming) in particular areas. Say I typed in "Iron Man"; if there was no "Iron Man" page, but there was one pending, an indicator would pop up telling me so. Or something like that.

#13 Posted by banksrob (1126 posts) -

yeh that's good ill get 5000 soon enough hopefully when all my subs are got too :P Keep the good work up

#14 Posted by Hilit (43 posts) -
Guiltyspark said:
"thats fucking bullshit

I have submitted about 35 things , most of them the first day this site was launched
only 3 of them were answered with an acceptance or a decline 3 DAYS AFTER THEY WERE SUBMITTED


Here is an idea , LOCK submissions , put all your staff on moderating them , and after you get a major chunk knocked out
give users a limit of 5 submissions per day for about a week then increase it to 10 permanantly

and leave shit how it is , we cant even make points with reviews for god sakes


"
Relax man. It's a temp move and only relates to the creation of new pages not wiki edits in general.
#15 Posted by Guiltyspark (554 posts) -
Hilit said:
"Guiltyspark said:
"thats fucking bullshit

I have submitted about 35 things , most of them the first day this site was launched
only 3 of them were answered with an acceptance or a decline 3 DAYS AFTER THEY WERE SUBMITTED


Here is an idea , LOCK submissions , put all your staff on moderating them , and after you get a major chunk knocked out
give users a limit of 5 submissions per day for about a week then increase it to 10 permanantly

and leave shit how it is , we cant even make points with reviews for god sakes


"
Relax man. It's a temp move and only relates to the creation of new pages not wiki edits in general.
"

the only thing i signed up for on this lag ridden site is so i could add new content that hasnt appeared yet

Im not going to sit around and play "find the non watermarked image" game for 2 weeks


#16 Posted by Lairdo (543 posts) -

Makes sense I suppose.

#17 Posted by JJGIANT (760 posts) -

snide said:

"This may just be a temporary adjustment but for now only 5000 point users will have their brand new pages (meaning pages that are brand new from scratch) approved automatically. We had to add this in because too many people were adding pages that were already in the system.

Bummer I know, and something we can likely tune back down over time but deleting/merging pages takes up the most man hours, so we're trying to slow down the instances of that happening.

Please read my search / alias post on how to properly check for items that may not show up in our automatic search.
"


Thats fair we dont want this site to get clogged up with 4 Halo 3 three pages for instance.  Good move!

#18 Posted by hazelnutman (1097 posts) -
Guiltyspark said:
"thats fucking bullshit

I have submitted about 35 things , most of them the first day this site was launched
only 3 of them were answered with an acceptance or a decline 3 DAYS AFTER THEY WERE SUBMITTED


Here is an idea , LOCK submissions , put all your staff on moderating them , and after you get a major chunk knocked out
give users a limit of 5 submissions per day for about a week then increase it to 10 permanantly

and leave shit how it is , we cant even make points with reviews for god sakes


"
The fact that there isn't a limit on submissions is what makes this place great for me.

How dare you suggest a limit :|
#19 Posted by TheBeast (1931 posts) -

Sounds fair enough - I've seen a fair few images from the wrong games slip through somehow too, not sure if this is from 1,000+ users or from accidentally approving submissions.

#20 Posted by Hamz (6846 posts) -
Guiltyspark said:
"thats fucking bullshit

I have submitted about 35 things , most of them the first day this site was launched
only 3 of them were answered with an acceptance or a decline 3 DAYS AFTER THEY WERE SUBMITTED


Here is an idea , LOCK submissions , put all your staff on moderating them , and after you get a major chunk knocked out
give users a limit of 5 submissions per day for about a week then increase it to 10 permanantly

and leave shit how it is , we cant even make points with reviews for god sakes


"
I suggest you take five and chill out amigo. Things are being down as best as possible with the man power available. You're not the only one with pending submissions, even the Moderators have submissions in the queue and before you say it, nope we aren't fast tracking our stuff ahead of other users.

Be patient and be calm is all we ask while things get sorted out.
#21 Posted by Guiltyspark (554 posts) -
hazelnutman said:
"Guiltyspark said:
"thats fucking bullshit

I have submitted about 35 things , most of them the first day this site was launched
only 3 of them were answered with an acceptance or a decline 3 DAYS AFTER THEY WERE SUBMITTED


Here is an idea , LOCK submissions , put all your staff on moderating them , and after you get a major chunk knocked out
give users a limit of 5 submissions per day for about a week then increase it to 10 permanantly

and leave shit how it is , we cant even make points with reviews for god sakes


"
The fact that there isn't a limit on submissions is what makes this place great for me.

How dare you suggest a limit :|
"

if there was no moderation i would agree with you

but people are just spamming shit now , im pretty sure we already made it to 100 thousand submissions already
#22 Posted by MattBodega (1907 posts) -

So, do you guys plan on keeping this a temporary change? Or are you gonna see how this new points limit plays out for now?
I'm just interested, as someone who's about to cross the first threshold.
You guys definitely picked a good number for the total number of Wiki points needed for Full Live Edit. 5000. 5G
FIVE GRAND!!!!!

#23 Posted by Ilias13 (101 posts) -

Good idea, at least for now.

#24 Posted by Darth_Tater (72 posts) -

I'd like to request adding Chaos Wars,  all you have to do is add the game, I'll take care of the rest.

#25 Posted by Derios (423 posts) -

Sounds good.

#26 Posted by Kallin (24 posts) -

Using points to determine your moderation status is a good first filter, but I don't think it should be the only one. Once you pass a certain threshold, you should be able to apply for moderation/auto-approval status. I've been thinking about the problem of accepting/denying user generated content for a while, and have developed a few models that range from draconian to 100% democratic. Unfortunately it's java and this site is Python so I don't think it'll gel so well :)

Nonetheless, I think for this site that you need a human element in determining who has what privileges. The gaming community has too many people who, while being very active, often act irresponsibly and without foresight. Giant Bomb needs to ensure these people don't get undue access.

#27 Posted by Why_So_Serious (803 posts) -

Agreed. If it makes your work easier and subs accepted faster than I'm all for it.

#28 Posted by Caddy (308 posts) -

I think if there were problems with multiple submissions, this move only makes sense. New pages are important, at least all  edits still go straight through after 1000.

#29 Posted by PaperPlain (243 posts) -

I'm all for it. Especially since it increases sub times.

#30 Edited by Killuminati (93 posts) -

There needs to be an option to cancel your submissions before they are approved or rejected. I have seen things I have submitted and now I go to look at the game today and noticed someone already edited it.

#31 Posted by Anonymous (119 posts) -

I have no problem with it.

#32 Posted by Foil_Charizard (345 posts) -

Do any non staff members even have over 5000???

#33 Posted by spiceninja (3070 posts) -

That's a good idea.

#34 Posted by Psynapse (1064 posts) -

I agree with Snide, we need to focus on quality and not quanity with alot of this stuff.. I've seen some fairly stupid stuff go through which really had nothing to do with the game. I guess thats why other people can edit stuff also, but that just causes more work for mods/staff.

5000 points sounds good to me.

#35 Posted by donfonzie (206 posts) -

SWhy_So_Serious said:

"Agreed. If it makes your work easier and subs accepted faster than I'm all for it."
Same here.
#36 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -
Foil_Charizard said:
"Do any non staff members even have over 5000???
"
There are only 2 people over 5000 points right now. Jeff Gerstmann and Joseppie (non-staff).
#37 Posted by Aaron_G (1617 posts) -

I guess that is fair. 

#38 Posted by kirk02000 (4 posts) -

More people should actually do this including me would've saved me some time possibly.

#39 Posted by MacGyver (280 posts) -

seems like the only way to go. If someone put in the man hours to get to 5000 points then I think they take the time to see if pages already exist.

#40 Posted by tec3297 (1170 posts) -

I think that this is a good rule.

#41 Posted by Terrell (417 posts) -

I knew this was going to happen. I dont know. something about this website is starting to worry me...  I'm sure in like a year things will be different, but in the meantime it seems like they bit off more than they could chew dealing with the general public (i.e.: general public is usually stupid, both literally and figuratively)

#42 Posted by Player1 (3892 posts) -

sounds fair

#43 Posted by Philip (127 posts) -

I agree, I thought that the 1000 limit for live edit was high, until I saw that you can get points fast (if submission is accepted), putting it up to 5000 for new pages, I like the idea. That means more pages will get completed before we start adding a bunch more.

#44 Posted by elliooo (293 posts) -
Kallin said:
"Using points to determine your moderation status is a good first filter, but I don't think it should be the only one. Once you pass a certain threshold, you should be able to apply for moderation/auto-approval status. I've been thinking about the problem of accepting/denying user generated content for a while, and have developed a few models that range from draconian to 100% democratic. Unfortunately it's java and this site is Python so I don't think it'll gel so well :)

Nonetheless, I think for this site that you need a human element in determining who has what privileges. The gaming community has too many people who, while being very active, often act irresponsibly and without foresight. Giant Bomb needs to ensure these people don't get undue access.
"
While a lot of what you say is true, I still think that most people who reach the 1,000 point target will have to have a certain degree of relative sanity, and won't simply be getting to 1,000 points simply so that they can vandalise the site. It's just that bit too much effort for a little bit of cheap fun.
#45 Posted by Xelloss (213 posts) -
Foil_Charizard said:
"Do any non staff members even have over 5000???
"
I do :D

But anyway good to hear, hopefully even some of way older submission will go through, because I got a lot lol.
#46 Posted by Falconer (1711 posts) -

I think that EVERYTHING should be at 5000 for bypassing moderation. But that's just me.

#47 Posted by zeus_gb (595 posts) -

Sounds like a good idea to me.

#48 Posted by synt4x (160 posts) -
MagusMaleficus said:
"You guys wouldn't have to delete/convert duplicate pages if there was a way to see what is pending (without going to an individual's profile, which could be time consuming) in particular areas. Say I typed in "Iron Man"; if there was no "Iron Man" page, but there was one pending, an indicator would pop up telling me so. Or something like that."
This man speaks with great wisdom.
Or at least I agree with him. Something like that would be really good.
#49 Posted by AtomicEdge (310 posts) -

I understand this. A couple of times I have submitting something, and by the time it is looked at, someone else has already had it created. Bit annoying because it looks like I haven't done my research!

#50 Posted by serbsta (1867 posts) -

Wouldnt call it a bummer, its what needs to be done to make this work.