#1 Posted by Aska (427 posts) -

I spent a long time writing an article for Majora's Mask when there wasn't one, apparently one got approved before mine.  I'm curious if you guys take the time to merge them together, or just keep letting the new ones overwrite the old ones.  I'm only worried because if people spend a lot of time on a good article, it could be overwritten with a half-assed one.

I always backup my articles, and it could turn into an edit-war if people keep re-editing it for their writings.  I wouldn't, but I would like some clarification.

#2 Posted by Lies (3867 posts) -

It seems the mods look at both the current and the proposed, and choose the on they think is better. They don't really merge them.

#3 Posted by Aska (427 posts) -
Lies said:
"It seems the mods look at both the current and the proposed, and choose the on they think is better. They don't really merge them.
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That sounds better, and comforts me a bit.  I'm just afraid one guy might half-ass the plot, but detail the gameplay, yet another guy puts a lot of detail into the plot, stuff like that.  Either way, at least they check it.  Where did you get this info, by the way?
#4 Posted by Luchadeer (105 posts) -

I'm sure they will take the time to merge in the future, but right n0w they probably wont...

#5 Posted by Turtlemayor333 (510 posts) -

Yeah, this system seems a little weird to me. For a while I thought of perhaps letting users "claim" pages but they might not do a good job or some punk will run around claiming every game possible. I can definitely see edit wars coming, especially when people start hitting 1,000 points. For now I'll just do articles for SNES games and the like and see how that goes.

#6 Posted by Termite (2398 posts) -
Turtlemayor333 said:
"Yeah, this system seems a little weird to me. For a while I thought of perhaps letting users "claim" pages but they might not do a good job or some punk will run around claiming every game possible. I can definitely see edit wars coming, especially when people start hitting 1,000 points. For now I'll just do articles for SNES games and the like and see how that goes.
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Edit wars? The idea frightens me
#7 Posted by epic_pets (1339 posts) -

They chose the better one

#8 Posted by Banzai_NL (264 posts) -

No, I can confirm we look at what the article is like now, before your edit, and what you want to change. If the content that is already live is 'better' or more extensive, we will not approve your content.

#9 Posted by Felix (145 posts) -
Banzaiaap said:
"No, I can confirm we look at what the article is like now, before your edit, and what you want to change. If the content that is already live is 'better' or more extensive, we will not approve your content.
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Very cool, thanks for the clarification.
#10 Posted by twenty0ne (3071 posts) -
Felix said:
"Banzaiaap said:
"No, I can confirm we look at what the article is like now, before your edit, and what you want to change. If the content that is already live is 'better' or more extensive, we will not approve your content.
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Very cool, thanks for the clarification.
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Yah, thanks. Good to know.
#11 Posted by Aska (427 posts) -
Miniman said:
"Still doesn't stop 1000 point members overwriting perfectly good articles. I have had a couple of my articles overwritten in parts of it with good info however presentation that looks like crap, for example they added a whole paragraph of text and underlined it as well as using bad grammar. Very annoying...
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That's one thing I'm afraid of, 1000+ point members just overwriting otherwise good articles.
#12 Posted by MmmSkyscraper (313 posts) -

I've been wondering about this too. Maybe the forum for each game/object could be used to debate the merit of suggested improvements when the site calms down a bit and approval times are more manageable.

#13 Posted by dvaeg (189 posts) -

I think that maybe (and I might get shot for this), the folks at Giant Bomb should shut off the Wiki for a few days to catch up.  I wrote an article for a game that was missing and checked 24 hours later to find it was put in by someone else.  Now I'm hesitant to duplicate efforts, and some of my pendings are over three days old, leaving me to believe that if I do something now, it might be done by someone else already and just waiting for approval. 

For the new game I submitted, I put in the same info as the one that's up now but my photo was much better, so I can at least hope my photo gets in...but then again, 100 other people might submit for a better photo over the next few days...

#14 Posted by AmericanPegasus (392 posts) -

We have both the articles side by side to compare/contrast and decide which one we like more, sometimes however we have a problem with people say writing a really good plot section, and deleting the already great gameplay section. In those cases we have to weigh what's worth more, which can be tough.

#15 Posted by Felix (145 posts) -

I like the idea of shutting down the Wiki for a few days, getting the backlog cleared out, and getting some new moderators to speed up the process once they open up the wiki once more and the floodgates are opened.

#16 Posted by Felix (145 posts) -

You gotta think, what takes more time: selecting one article which you think has the overall higher quality even if it is missing some part the other has, or sit there and cut and paste the two articles together while still hoping the whole thing flows well.

At this juncture, I'm gonna say they pick the first one.

#17 Posted by dvaeg (189 posts) -

Yeah, I'm going to have to go for: take the time to combine them.  If you always choose the first option, you'll never get a complete article.

#18 Posted by Silentassasin5k (22 posts) -

I have faith that the staff will make a decision to fix this problems one way or another.

#19 Posted by NickNorman (435 posts) -
dvaeg said:
"Yeah, I'm going to have to go for: take the time to combine them.  If you always choose the first option, you'll never get a complete article.
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 I can say for sure that that happened to me. I wrote up a quick summary for the Pokemon Red/Blue page, but someone else had theirs approved first. Instead of wiping one out, they got merged: Most of my Story and Gameplay sections remained, but parts were added, along with the whole Overview and Multiplayer sections. 
#20 Posted by bekern (563 posts) -
NickNorman said:
"dvaeg said:
"Yeah, I'm going to have to go for: take the time to combine them.  If you always choose the first option, you'll never get a complete article.
"
 I can say for sure that that happened to me. I wrote up a quick summary for the Pokemon Red/Blue page, but someone else had theirs approved first. Instead of wiping one out, they got merged: Most of my Story and Gameplay sections remained, but parts were added, along with the whole Overview and Multiplayer sections. 
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That is such a relief! So, say I sent out a gameplay paragraph, and later I see someone's plot paragraph got approved before mine. Could they just merge the two, even though my edit didn't include their plot because it wasn't approved yet? Sorry if I'm just noobing out, but all my confusion is related to when AmericanPegasus said:
"sometimes however we have a problem with people say writing a really good plot section, and deleting the already great gameplay section. In those cases we have to weigh what's worth more, which can be tough.
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  Why couldn't they just keep the plot section and not delete the gameplay section in this situation?
#21 Posted by dvaeg (189 posts) -

I'm now starting to see a lot of rejections because items I submitted days ago have been approved for others in the meantime.  I can see 6 games, concepts and characters that were not in when I submitted them that will soon get rejected. 


Ugh.  

So as far as I can tell, you can't edit the body of an article that doesn't exist.  So I need to create the article then wait for approval before I can add a body to it.  While i"m waiting for it be approved, it gets in via someone else, but now I'm REALLY leery about doing the body since I bet someone else submitted it first.
#22 Posted by Turtlemayor333 (510 posts) -

Yeah, I had a location submission pending for four days, and a guy with 8,000 points or something added the same page a few hours ago. So all the mod sees is that it was already in the database and I get rejected.

#23 Edited by NuclearWinter (767 posts) -

Hello,

I just want to add that if both old and new article are of good quality, then we do try to merge them if suitable. It has to be done manually (we always do the approve first, so you still get your points), so it doesn't always happen and is up to the mod handling it. But generally we do try if we feel it would improve the article in question.

A good example would be the Easter Egg concept page which has had a bunch of simultaneous submissions, each adding paragraphs about different games - that one has been manually merged together by myself.

Hope that helps.

Moderator
#24 Posted by Aska (427 posts) -
NuclearWinter said:
"

Hello,

I just want to add that if both old and new article are of good quality, then we do try to merge them if suitable. It has to be done manually (we always do the approve first, so you still get your points), so it doesn't always happen and is up to the mod handling it. But generally we do try if we feel it would improve the article in question.

A good example would be the Easter Egg concept page which has had a bunch of simultaneous submissions, each adding paragraphs about different games - that one has been manually merged together by myself.

Hope that helps.

"
Very much, thank you.
#25 Edited by MB (12735 posts) -

Typically I do not take the time to merge a user's submission with the current article.  I will usually just tell the user to incorporate his text into the more current article and then resubmit the entire thing accompanied with detailed notes on what changes were made.  There are just too many articles to spend time merging and editing every single submission as they come in.  It's more efficient and more fair to everyone to just send those types of submissions back and have the user resubmit them after editing it in themselves.

There are some new mod tools being worked on that will allow the moderators to do real time edits of submissions before approving them, along with a compare tool that will allow us to easily see the differences between the original and edited articles.

Moderator Online
#26 Posted by TullyAckland (237 posts) -

It’s the moderator’s discretion on how they handle the submissions.

Curently if I think both the live article and the one that’s been submitted have very interesting parts I will copy both into word. Accept the edit (giving you points for submitting) then ill edit in the merged article.

But new tools are comming soon to make that process easier.

#27 Posted by Aska (427 posts) -

Awesome.  Thanks guys.