How moderation and the point system work

Topic started by snide on July 21, 2008. Last post by Not_Rage 4 days, 11 hours ago.
Post by LordAndrew (4,561 posts) See mini bio
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If you find content that you think has been plagiarized from another source, contact a wiki moderator and they'll try to take care of it.


Post by TripMasterMunky (925 posts) See mini bio
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How do points work once you're past 1,000? How does it judge how many points to give you on your edits now that they're all live? Is it just based on word count? Also, if you're able to make live edits, should you still leave a comment stating why you're changing such and such - or does that not matter anymore?


Post by LordAndrew (4,561 posts) See mini bio
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Points are distributed in the exact same way no matter how many you have. It has to do with how much gets added to the article, not how much is changed. So if the size is the same or less than it was before, you'll only get a single point.
Once you have bypassed moderation, it's not necessary to leave comments, but some people do anyway. If you look at my recent contributions, you can see that I sometimes leave comments, even though I don't need to. I figure it would be useful to people who want to know what kind of edits I'm making, and if they see me doing something they disagree with then they can send me a message about it.


Post by TripMasterMunky (925 posts) See mini bio
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I see, thanks Andrew. How does it work for people under 1,000 pts then? Who checks their edits before they go live, is it people who are over 5,000 who check over their edits?


Post by Endogene (3,857 posts) See mini bio

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TripMasterMunky said:
"I see, thanks Andrew. How does it work for people under 1,000 pts then? Who checks their edits before they go live, is it people who are over 5,000 who check over their edits?"
I along with the other wiki mod do so.


Post by Drebin_893 (1,777 posts) See mini bio
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There are moderators specifically designated to handling the flow of submissions from user's with less than 1000 points. Only those chosen by existing moderators and staff can become one of these people, which only happens rarely.


Post by Hamz (3,446 posts) See mini bio
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TripMasterMunky said:
"I see, thanks Andrew. How does it work for people under 1,000 pts then? Who checks their edits before they go live, is it people who are over 5,000 who check over their edits?"
We have a dedicated team of Wiki Moderators who look over and either Approve or Deny any and all submissions sent by users under the 1000 point mark. These fine upstanding Moderators slave away at the queue and make sure all edits proposed are dealt with.

Please check out this topic and click the links to the two guides contained inside it. One covers the Wiki aspect of the site and has a list of Wiki Moderators and the other guide covers the general Forum rules and questions aspect of the site while also providing a list of Forum Moderators.

Any questions then do not hesitate to contact a Moderator about them.


Post by TripMasterMunky (925 posts) See mini bio
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Thanks for all the responses and that link. So since the system gives you points based on how much is added/rather than changed (which overall, works out for the best) - couldn't someone essentially type up a bunch of stuff, submit it, and then keep on deleting it and re-adding it? Is there any way to prevent against this? It seems like someone could abuse the system if it's based mostly around what is added.

Not that I would do this or anything, you can check my top wikis, they're legit lol. I was just wondering how in-depth the system goes for checking submissions like that and such. Whiskey needs to put out another podcast lol, it's interesting to see "what's under the hood."


Post by MattyFTM (6,714 posts) See mini bio
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In theory, someone with 1000+ points could post stuff, delete, repost, lather, rinse, repeat, but they would get found out sooner or later. Someone would notice they have insane amounts of points for doing hardly any work. Plus, you have to get to 1000 points before you can do that. Most people who get to 1000 points are serious about editing the wiki, and wouldn't abuse the system like that.


Post by LordAndrew (4,561 posts) See mini bio
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People have abused the wiki in the past, and they've been caught. There's a zero-tolerance policy on point gaming, so anyone who does that won't be doing it for very long.


Post by TripMasterMunky (925 posts) See mini bio
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MattyFTM said:
"In theory, someone with 1000+ points could post stuff, delete, repost, lather, rinse, repeat, but they would get found out sooner or later. Someone would notice they have insane amounts of points for doing hardly any work. Plus, you have to get to 1000 points before you can do that. Most people who get to 1000 points are serious about editing the wiki, and wouldn't abuse the system like that."
True. I personally think the live edit point limit should be raised even a little higher though. I mean...someone could go on a tantrum and start erasing entire pages, right? Lol maybe I'm just thinking way too into this. Alright, thanks for answering all my questions so fast everyone. That's all.

edit - Editing wiki pages is way more fun now with live edits. No waiting or anything like that. If I find a page with a few spelling errors, now I can just quickly fix those instead of just ignoring them (it'd feel kinda useless submitting a whole page just for spelling errors.)


Post by StarFoxA (1,945 posts) See mini bio
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TripMasterMunky said:
"MattyFTM said:
"In theory, someone with 1000+ points could post stuff, delete, repost, lather, rinse, repeat, but they would get found out sooner or later. Someone would notice they have insane amounts of points for doing hardly any work. Plus, you have to get to 1000 points before you can do that. Most people who get to 1000 points are serious about editing the wiki, and wouldn't abuse the system like that."
True. I personally think the live edit point limit should be raised even a little higher though. I mean...someone could go on a tantrum and start erasing entire pages, right? Lol maybe I'm just thinking way too into this. Alright, thanks for answering all my questions so fast everyone. That's all."
And that is why you back up your wiki pages (which I had to learn the hard way).


Post by MattyFTM (6,714 posts) See mini bio
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If someone was to go on a page deleting rampage, the staffers have backups for everything. It can all be restored.


Post by Hamz (3,446 posts) See mini bio
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To put it simply, abuse the live edit privileges we give users and they will quickly be revoked and points reset to zero for the culprits who abuse the system. When it comes to live edit privileges we will quite simply remove a user's ability to edit the wiki for life if they are caught gaming the system. And trust me when I say those Wiki Mods are a tenacious bunch who show no mercy when it comes to people abusing the Wiki.


Post by Disgaeamad (788 posts) See mini bio
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MattyFTM said:
"If someone was to go on a page deleting rampage, the staffers have backups for everything. It can all be restored."
That's good to know. I was planning on going through all my submissions and making back-ups for them just incase, but I guess it's not necessary.


Post by Hamz (3,446 posts) See mini bio
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Disgaeamad said:
"MattyFTM said:
"If someone was to go on a page deleting rampage, the staffers have backups for everything. It can all be restored."
That's good to know. I was planning on going through all my submissions and making back-ups for them just incase, but I guess it's not necessary."
I suggest you do it anyway. There is always the odd chance we lose something on the server side and cannot restore it. No matter what happens I urge everyone to backup their edits, especially if they are lengthy and detailed.


Post by StarFoxA (1,945 posts) See mini bio
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Hamz said:
"Disgaeamad said:
"MattyFTM said:
"If someone was to go on a page deleting rampage, the staffers have backups for everything. It can all be restored."
That's good to know. I was planning on going through all my submissions and making back-ups for them just incase, but I guess it's not necessary."
I suggest you do it anyway. There is always the odd chance we lose something on the server side and cannot restore it. No matter what happens I urge everyone to backup their edits, especially if they are lengthy and detailed."
I have image documentation of the Chrono Trigger page as well as a document. Just so I can know where everything is.


Post by leky1 (508 posts) See mini bio

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how do i add pages?


Post by papercut (657 posts) See mini bio
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leky1 said:
how do i add pages?
click Browse, hit create new whatever


Post by Hardgamer (21 posts) See mini bio
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Hey, when you are looking for users to get a chance of being moderators,  remind and ask me.  I would like to be a moderator to help out.


Post by Branthog (626 posts) See mini bio
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@LordAndrew said:
" Points are distributed in the exact same way no matter how many you have. It has to do with how much gets added to the article, not how much is changed. So if the size is the same or less than it was before, you'll only get a single point.
That is VERY unfortunate. There is no compensation or reward for being brief and concise. And, presumably, if you took a long-winded and poorly written article and cleaned the hell out of it and managed to reduce it by half and still convey all of the same important content, you would get one point. Even though the work you did (proof reading and editing) is often far more difficult than initially just spewing endless paragraphs onto the wiki.


Post by natetodamax (7,037 posts) See mini bio
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@Branthog said:
" @LordAndrew said:
" Points are distributed in the exact same way no matter how many you have. It has to do with how much gets added to the article, not how much is changed. So if the size is the same or less than it was before, you'll only get a single point.
That is VERY unfortunate. There is no compensation or reward for being brief and concise. And, presumably, if you took a long-winded and poorly written article and cleaned the hell out of it and managed to reduce it by half and still convey all of the same important content, you would get one point. Even though the work you did (proof reading and editing) is often far more difficult than initially just spewing endless paragraphs onto the wiki. "
I agree, I hate it when I fix up a poorly written wiki so it doesn't seem like a 4 year old made it, and I get 1 point. It's lame


Post by Branthog (626 posts) See mini bio
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@natetodamax said:
" @Branthog said:
" @LordAndrew said:
" Points are distributed in the exact same way no matter how many you have. It has to do with how much gets added to the article, not how much is changed. So if the size is the same or less than it was before, you'll only get a single point.
That is VERY unfortunate. There is no compensation or reward for being brief and concise. And, presumably, if you took a long-winded and poorly written article and cleaned the hell out of it and managed to reduce it by half and still convey all of the same important content, you would get one point. Even though the work you did (proof reading and editing) is often far more difficult than initially just spewing endless paragraphs onto the wiki. "
I agree, I hate it when I fix up a poorly written wiki so it doesn't seem like a 4 year old made it, and I get 1 point. It's lame "
There should be an option that you can tag an article with when you submit it that says, essentially, "I have revised/cleaned-up/whatever this article" and that would send it to a live moderator who could review the content and assign points appropriately. As a fan of quality over content, I'd gladly take on the task of helping with that if such a feature were implemented. The problem is that this sort of thing requires that awards be provided on a subjective basis by the moderator rather than just an algorithm saying "was 200 is 400, you get 200 points!". Meh.


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Once at 1000 points, do new page additions still need to be moderated? I checked the FAQs and couldn't find anything on this, but I wasn't sure, since I submitted a new concept idea and it still said it needed to be approved (and I'm over 1000 points), but a regular edit to one of the pages did not go through this process.


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@MrKart said:
" Once at 1000 points, do new page additions still need to be moderated? I checked the FAQs and couldn't find anything on this, but I wasn't sure, since I submitted a new concept idea and it still said it needed to be approved (and I'm over 1000 points), but a regular edit to one of the pages did not go through this process. "
You need 5000 points to add new pages without moderation