#1 Edited by rebgav (1429 posts) -

Our long national nightmare is over; GFWL is dead. Proof follows;

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/games/pc-games/pc-marketplace-closing

http://www.techradar.com/news/digital-home/microsoft-closing-up-shop-on-games-for-windows-live-and-zune-marketplace-aug-22-1173742

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/08/16/games-windows-live-marketplace-closing-august-22#.Ug7Qs5Ifuag

http://www.slashgear.com/games-for-windows-live-marketplace-closing-next-week-16293962/

http://www.destructoid.com/games-for-windows-live-marketplace-closing-soon-260183.phtml

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/15/microsoft-closing-games-for-windows-live-marketplace

It seems as though some games are already transitioning away from GFWL support, with both Bioshock 2 and the Batman: Arkham games receiving title updates on Steam which add Steamworks support (achievements & cloud storage) while Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet promises to be GFWL-free soon.

Edit: No-one reads linked articles apparently so in summary; GFWL will close its marketplace on Aug 22nd. If you already own a GFWL encumbered game you will still be able to sign into the service and play it. MS-published games will no longer be offered for purchase, the availability of third party games will depend on the publisher making the game available through another service (which is likely the reason for 2K and WB patching their games to be Steamworks compatible).

Obviously, MS will launch an Xbox branded PC service and offer their own games through that.

#2 Posted by TooWalrus (13255 posts) -

So if I have a steam copy of Bioshock 2, and I want to buy Minerva's Den, how's that going to work? The current in-game button asks for Microsoft Points (which is broken anyway).

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#3 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

So if I have a steam copy of Bioshock 2, and I want to buy Minerva's Den, how's that going to work? The current in-game button asks for Microsoft Points (which is broken anyway).

I think they are wrapping it to Steam.

#4 Posted by rebgav (1429 posts) -

So if I have a steam copy of Bioshock 2, and I want to buy Minerva's Den, how's that going to work? The current in-game button asks for Microsoft Points (which is broken anyway).

If you read the support page on Xbox.com you'll see that the official answer is "fuck it, whatever dude."

Hopefully it'll get a Steam release. I think that's the only piece of dlc that I own through GFWL, that and Robin from Arkham City.

#5 Posted by Animasta (14718 posts) -

I bet this shuts down dark souls

#6 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4296 posts) -

Well it that Jason Holtman, the guy that made Steam big, is working at Microsoft now.

Jason Holtman spent the last eight years turning Valve's Steam digital distribution platform into a veritable cornucopia of PC games. Starting this month, however, he'll be working at Microsoft on the company's Windows gaming strategy. "Yes, I have joined Microsoft where I will be focusing on making Windows a great platform for gaming and interactive entertainment," he told GamesIndustry International. "I think there is a lot of opportunity for Microsoft to deliver the games and entertainment customers want and to work with developers to make that happen, so I'm excited to be here." Holtman left Valve in February under mysterious circumstances, along with up to 25 other employees.

The move isn't just significant because of Holtman's history of convincing practically every major game publisher to trust Valve with their digital sales, but also because Microsoft has largely ignored PC gaming in recent years, putting the majority of its muscle towards promoting Xbox instead. The few times Microsoft has turned an eye towards PC games, such as with its Games for Windows Live initiative, the company has been accused of facilitating shoddy ports of Xbox titles and of locking down games with obtrusive DRM mechanisms.

The Verge: Microsoft hires the man who made Steam great, signals renewed interest in PC gaming

So I can see him building out Xbox on Windows a little more throughout the rest of the next year or so.

#7 Posted by believer258 (12102 posts) -

I spent twenty minutes trying to find a good song to celebrate the good news, but this will have to do.

#8 Edited by rebgav (1429 posts) -
@animasta said:

I bet this shuts down dark souls

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#10 Edited by punkxblaze (2990 posts) -

Dear Microsoft: Please put Halo 2 PC on Steam now. Ok, cool, thanks.

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#12 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

So what happens to my copy of WarHammer 40k?

#13 Posted by StarvingGamer (8476 posts) -

There was a game I was going to buy until I saw that it required GFWL so I didn't buy it. Fuck. What was that game!?

#14 Posted by Armoes (66 posts) -

It's too bad GFWL wasn't good. If only Microsoft owned the company that made Xbox Live, or controlled most PC Operating Systems... Steam / Valve really ate their lunch.

Well it was garbage. An unnecessary layer of complication and potential point of failure. I'm glad it's gone. I hope the game I have to used it still work in the future.

#15 Edited by Hailinel (25203 posts) -

So what happens to my copy of WarHammer 40k?

At best, it's updated to no longer require GFWL authentication. At worst, it becomes an example of the downside of digital distribution.

#16 Posted by ez123 (1988 posts) -

So what happens to my copy of WarHammer 40k?

Nothing, for now. The marketplace is closing down,the title is pretty misleading.

#17 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@ez123 said:

@the_laughing_man said:

So what happens to my copy of WarHammer 40k?

Nothing, for now. The marketplace is closing down,the title is pretty misleading.

So I can play it. But no achievements.

#18 Edited by ez123 (1988 posts) -

@ez123 said:

@the_laughing_man said:

So what happens to my copy of WarHammer 40k?

Nothing, for now. The marketplace is closing down,the title is pretty misleading.

So I can play it. But no achievements.

No, those aren't going anywhere(again, for now) unless the dev patches GFWL out like Insanely Twisted.

#19 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

@ez123 said:

@the_laughing_man said:

@ez123 said:

@the_laughing_man said:

So what happens to my copy of WarHammer 40k?

Nothing, for now. The marketplace is closing down,the title is pretty misleading.

So I can play it. But no achievements.

No, those aren't going anywhere(again, for now) unless the dev patches GFWL out like Insanely Twisted.

Mmmm 40k is a good game. I wonder if that DLC stand alone thing is on sale.

#20 Edited by Joeyoe31 (820 posts) -

Man, Bioshock 2 without GFWL sounds amazing.

#21 Edited by Raethen (180 posts) -

Hopefully Dark Souls will get this update as well. About a month back it stopped launching for me, and after trying every fix I could find on the net, I gave up.

#22 Posted by Demoskinos (15108 posts) -

So this is interesting. Does this also mean its peoples last chance to get achivements on games like Fallout 3 PC? I won't be hugely affected as the only games I have that are GFWL are Fallout 3 and Super Street Fighter 4

#23 Edited by BigJeffrey (5147 posts) -

Never had problem with it, liked getting achievements on it. Don't really care. Guess I should get them GTA4 Achievements.

#24 Posted by TobbRobb (4818 posts) -

As long as it doesn't break Dark Souls before 2 is out, I'm more than fine with killing off GFWL as soon as possible.

#25 Edited by jakob187 (21732 posts) -

Goddammit. Now I have to update 40 fucking computers for Dawn of War II...and Gears of War...and Dark Souls...

Fuck me running.

#26 Posted by Humanity (9870 posts) -

Too bad it was a real cool system that tied my GamerTag to games I played on PC. Never had issues with it, always worked pretty well.

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#27 Posted by YOU_DIED (703 posts) -

@animasta said:

I bet this shuts down dark souls

Don't toy with my emotions

#28 Posted by Tarsier (1076 posts) -

i was wondering why dark souls wouldnt sign in the other day.

fiddle sticks

#29 Edited by charlie_victor_bravo (1066 posts) -

Never had issues with GFWL so I will save my joy to the day when the Origin shuts down.

#30 Edited by geirr (2680 posts) -

This is the best news ever. Well, almost.

Still, Dark Souls is a concern.

#31 Posted by killacam (1286 posts) -

so should I buy Minerva's den before it closes?

#32 Edited by MentalDisruption (1664 posts) -

I sincerely hope Dark Souls doesn't get screwed by this. I can't stand games for windows live, but losing my PC version of dark souls is not a trade I'm happy to make.

#33 Posted by JouselDelka (966 posts) -

@humanity said:

Too bad it was a real cool system that tied my GamerTag to games I played on PC. Never had issues with it, always worked pretty well.

We don't want your gamertags on our PC turf, take 'em and leave strainjuh!

#34 Edited by Tennmuerti (8172 posts) -

Thank god. Fuck that piece of shit.

Because of GFWL (with their shitty licensing) selling Darksouls and Arkham City, they are not available for sale in my region, even through other marketplaces like Steam.

#35 Edited by Forcen (1846 posts) -

Why didn't the headline say that it's just Games For Windows Live MARKETPLACE that's shutting down. Just the Microsoft run digital game store on PC!

Although you will not be able to purchase new games, you can continue to enjoy previously purchased content by downloading it through the Games for Windows Live client software as usual.

Just look at all the confused people in this thread.

Although you will not be able to purchase new games, you can continue to enjoy previously purchased content by downloading it through the Games for Windows Live client software as usual.

#36 Edited by mak_wikus (554 posts) -

Does this mean we'll have to play all games again to get the achievements back?

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#37 Posted by Forcen (1846 posts) -

@mak_wikus: No, the headline is wrong. It's just microsofts digital PC game store that is stopping selling games. Thats the only news here.

Some games are maybe getting GFWL patched out of the game on Steam, like batman and bioshock 2. For those games, i don't know.

#38 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

Die you monster, die! Now you can't hurt anyone anymore!

#39 Edited by mak_wikus (554 posts) -

@forcen: Oh, I know what the real news is. I was just wondering out loud, since GfWL is getting patched out from games eventually.

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#40 Posted by Humanity (9870 posts) -

@humanity said:

Too bad it was a real cool system that tied my GamerTag to games I played on PC. Never had issues with it, always worked pretty well.

We don't want your gamertags on our PC turf, take 'em and leave strainjuh!

Thats the beauty of it. As part of the superior console master race I could still play on PC but not mingle with PC scum.

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#41 Posted by Corvak (1162 posts) -

The concept of GFWL was sound, but the implementation was atrocious.

I kinda liked the idea of a shared friends list and achievements between PC and Xbox. But the interface was awkward and poorly designed for a mouse driven platform and matchmaking and other in-game services like screenshots and mod support were not up to par with what Valve can provide.

I think Microsoft could still succeed in this area, but only with a different approach - something built from the start with a PC in mind, and not simply mimicking an Xbox interface.

The biggest hurdle facing MS in attempting to cater to PC gamers are all of the bridges they burned with consumers when starting up the original Xbox. They essentially cherry picked a slew of promising PC titles and bought out their developers, forcing many games to become console-only.

#42 Posted by EXTomar (4922 posts) -

Microsoft is promising again that yet again they are serious about making PC gaming important. This has always been laughable because PC gaming never went anywhere and Microsoft has made this promise multiple time before and it always was a wet fart. GFWL was the most serious and advanced thing they've done to support PC gaming and it was years behind competitors and never worked smoothly.

#43 Edited by rebgav (1429 posts) -

@forcen said:

Why didn't the headline say that it's just Games For Windows Live MARKETPLACE that's shutting down. Just the Microsoft run digital game store on PC!

It's a forum post, not a news article - and the title is accurate, the service has no future prospects as it no longer sells games. I did edit the post to address the confusion caused by not reading the actual news articles though.

@corvak said:

The concept of GFWL was sound, but the implementation was atrocious.

I kinda liked the idea of a shared friends list and achievements between PC and Xbox. But the interface was awkward and poorly designed for a mouse driven platform and matchmaking and other in-game services like screenshots and mod support were not up to par with what Valve can provide.

I think Microsoft could still succeed in this area, but only with a different approach - something built from the start with a PC in mind, and not simply mimicking an Xbox interface.

I agree. Had they delivered on their original concept of a cross-platform service with full userbase integration, cross-platform multiplayer, and a large library of high-quality titles then GFWL could have been great. Unfortunately, they did a half-assed job of it, dropped the most compelling features, and launched in the wake of Steam which was getting its act together by that point. That their marketplace was the worst implemented, least functional, least user-friendly website and client in the field of digital distribution really was the icing on the cake.

The fact that many people struggle to get the actual game client to work is a testament to how poorly MS handled the service and how awful the software component of GFWL still is after all this time.

#44 Posted by Forcen (1846 posts) -