#1 Edited by Wuddel (2088 posts) -

In the Bombcast you so often hear about the network is holding back consoles and digital distribution? So how fast do we need to be? In order to get rid of optical drives etc. 
 
(Here in Switzerland/Germany you get broadband with your landline phone contracts. Heck, my parents will move to 200 MBit/s glass fibre pretty soon.)

#2 Posted by hedfone (1751 posts) -

i can do the email

#3 Edited by canucks23 (1087 posts) -

It's not necessarily the speed that's the problem, it's the ISP's capping bandwith. There are a ton of countries that have ridiculous caps that wouldn't allow you to download a next gen game without going over their limit, so it wouldn't be realistic for a company to really put a download only console out when you'd be cutting off that many people from using it.

#4 Posted by ThePhantomnaut (6197 posts) -

Fast. I care more about bandwidth than speed now.

#5 Posted by FritzDude (2262 posts) -

200Mbit/s Fiber? In other words: 200/200? That's overkill, unless it's a shared connection with many others? 25/25 is plenty.

#6 Posted by Winternet (8012 posts) -

That's what I can't understand. I believe in Europe in most cases there isn't a bandwidth cap. You can download a Tera a week for all they care. How this is not happening in America?

#7 Edited by NathHaw (2760 posts) -
@Winternet: There's no cap on my usage in Indiana.
#8 Posted by Wuddel (2088 posts) -
@FritzDude said:

200Mbit/s Fiber? In other words: 200/200? That's overkill, unless it's a shared connection with many others? 25/25 is plenty.

It's 200/100 MBit/s. But, no this is the normal single household connection for my 70 year old parents who do light browsing, email and a bit of video chat with me. They will get it May 2012. The equipment can even do 1GBit/s but they throttle it initially.
#9 Posted by Winternet (8012 posts) -
@Bloviator: I got the impression that a lot of people from US bitches about their cap.
#10 Posted by Kyle (2323 posts) -

Well I have a 30mbps connection, and speedtest.net says that it's faster than 97% of internet connections in america, so that probably gives you an idea.

#11 Posted by canucks23 (1087 posts) -
@Winternet said:
That's what I can't understand. I believe in Europe in most cases there isn't a bandwidth cap. You can download a Tera a week for all they care. How this is not happening in America?
Because companies make less money that way.
#12 Posted by Wuddel (2088 posts) -
@canucks23 said:
It's not necessarily the speed that's the problem, it's the ISP's capping bandwith. There are a ton of countries that have ridiculous caps that wouldn't allow you to download a next gen game without going over their limit, so it wouldn't be realistic for a company to really put a download only console out when you'd be cutting off that many people from using it.
Oh, wow. Caps. Thats unheard of here, except for 3G. I mean I routinely download 12GB games from Steam...
#13 Posted by Captain_Insano (1534 posts) -

Here in  Aus it is capped bandwidth. I have a pretty good speed by Aus standards (18mb/s) but I am capped at 50GB per month. In the area I live in this is the only ISP I can get and it is the most affordable plan I can get (still $80 a month). So yeah, download only games would totally suck with this current state of affairs.

#14 Posted by Choffy (443 posts) -

I think the average speed is between 3 - 7.5 Mbps (pretty slow). I'm at 7.5 Mbps and a 12GB game on Steam would probably take me around 4 hours to download.

#15 Posted by Winternet (8012 posts) -
@Captain_Insano: you pay 80$ a month? Dude, that's crazy. I pay 20$ a month for a non-caped 24mb.
#16 Posted by Khann (2820 posts) -

I pay $135 a month for 60GB of downloads on an ADSL2 line.

#17 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

I live in America and today I learned we have bandwidth caps.

#18 Posted by Quacktastic (1066 posts) -

I can't say what a typical speed is, but in rural areas it's probably around 5.  In and around large cities it's probably a lot faster.
America is a big place, it's probably easier for a government to mandate speed in a smaller country.  I have no idea though, that's just a guess.

#19 Edited by Winternet (8012 posts) -

The most expensive package I can find, costs 134.99 and has 360mb internet speed, 110 TV channels, free of charge telephone (does anyone use that anymore?), free access to a similar Netflix service, plus 3 channels packs which include roughly 30 more TV channels.

#20 Posted by morningthief (76 posts) -

20 down, 3.5 up here in Boston with no caps @$60/month. I'll take it!

#21 Edited by Khann (2820 posts) -
@Quacktastic said:

I can't say what a typical speed is, but in rural areas it's probably around 5.  In and around large cities it's probably a lot faster. America is a big place, it's probably easier for a government to mandate speed in a smaller country.  I have no idea though, that's just a guess.

I think it's less about being able to mandate speed, and more about the cost of infrastructure in big open spaces. 
 
That's why places like Japan and Europe tend to have much higher internet speeds. There is far more population in a smaller area, less infrastructure needed and less income required to make a profit on said infrastructure. 
 
In places like Europe especially, I imagine there is a lot of caching going on. It costs a lot less to trasnfer data within a network than it does to transfer it over who knows how many connections to get it overseas. 
 
That said, I am far from anything resembling a  "network infrastructure" expert, so it would be cool if someone that fits that description could chime in and lay down some real facts.
#22 Posted by PenguinDust (12483 posts) -

Comcast, one of the nation's largest internet service provider has a 250 gigabyte per month bandwidth cap.  Time Warner was testing caps that ranged from 5 gigs to 40 gigs depending on your service plan.  That experiment fell through after consumer outcry.   I don't know what their current standard is; if they have one or not.  AT&T recently introduced a cap at 150 gigabytes per month.  Going over ranges from additional fees to threating letters to disconnect you for a year.   Now, watching a movie off Netflix in HD can use up 3.5 gigs of service, so watching just 1 HD movie per night will use up more than two-thirds of your cap.  That's why it's troubling to the direction of new media.  Now, the content providers themselves should improve their compression software so as to not just flood the network with massive clogging files, but on the same token, the service providers need to upgrade their networks to handle the new and expanding technology. 

#23 Posted by Sanity (1896 posts) -

Cant get fiber where i live, think my dsl is like 7Mbits down which still only takes a few hours for 10 gigs.

#24 Posted by TheSeductiveMoose (3617 posts) -

I have a 100/100 Mbits fiber connection, but I live pretty remote. 
 
Not American, though.

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#25 Posted by Captain_Insano (1534 posts) -
@Winternet: yep, and I am on a relatively good plan in terms of speed and quota. Other ISP's offer cheaper plans but are not available where I live (we have a one company monopoly in a lot of areas). Works out at about 90 all up, includes line rental and phone calls but yea, 50GB for 80bucks. I envy a lot of other countries, especially when our dollar is now stronger than the US one. (Don't get me started on new video games which come out at 80 - 100 bucks for standard editions, internet ordering is now my friend).
#27 Edited by Claude (16255 posts) -

I've got Charter in Western North Carolina it's 15 down and 1 up. No caps. I pay about $50 a month.
 
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I should say that my connection is the lowest offered. If you pay more, you get a faster connection.

#28 Posted by PillClinton (3291 posts) -
@Wuddel said:
 (Here in Switzerland/Germany you get broadband with your landline phone contracts. Heck, my parents will move to 200 MBit/s glass fibre pretty soon.)
oh fuck off
#29 Posted by Gregomasta (1541 posts) -

.40mb-3.5mb 

#30 Posted by AlexW00d (6231 posts) -

I get like 4.5 Mb down and 0.8Mb up and we have the best non cable package in England. Says a lot really.

#31 Posted by AlexW00d (6231 posts) -

Obviously I meant non fiber...

#32 Posted by MattyFTM (14365 posts) -

The problem isn't really with the majority. The problem is that lots of rural area's still don't have broadband, or if they do it's very slow broadband. We generally take broadband for granted, but there are people who don't have access to it. That's the same in most countries. I imagine it's the same in Switzerland & Germany. It's prohibitively expensive to put in the high quality lines to rural area's. There are alternatives such as satellite broadband, but they're very expensive and have very low data allowances.

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#34 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@fritzdude said:

200Mbit/s Fiber? In other words: 200/200? That's overkill, unless it's a shared connection with many others? 25/25 is plenty.

There is no such thing as overkill until your hard drives cannot write data fast enough to meet the speed of your connection.

How can you say 25/25 is plenty, you know every single persons usage scenarios? Come on.

Anyway I'm in the UK and this is the mid end connection of my ISP (Virgin Media)

I just wish my upload was better. :/

The worst thing about American internet is the ping differences between west and east coast and the data caps.

#35 Posted by itspizza (433 posts) -

The average US speed test is 10.49 Mp/s, and in my state of Wisconsin the average is 15.83 (not sure why WI is so much higher than the average)

#36 Edited by pallat1991 (2 posts) -

@xobballox said:

I'm 7.6 down, .46 up.

Nice sharing.

I have 10.046Mbps download and 3.045Mbps upload speed.

Is this good or not?

I checked my internet speed at scanmyspeed.com

#37 Edited by tourgen (4461 posts) -

I was in middle america states for a bit in metro areas generally - between 1 and 10mbit down, 256k to 512kbit up was typical speed. 3mbit up and 256k up actual speeds are pretty common for many people I know.

Try uploading a video or mirroring a game feed to a friend with 256k up. hahahahahh.

#38 Posted by Jay_Ray (1076 posts) -

In Canada (BC lower mainland) I pay $60/month for 25 down / 3 up and 500 GB limit

#39 Edited by Branthog (7476 posts) -

It's pretty hard to state a meaningful number. America is an enormous place, at almost 10,000,000 square kilometers. Some places are stuck on dial-up. Some have DSL or T1s. Others have fiber. That place in Kansas has gigabit. SF and Portland and Seattle and Denver have high speed broad band. Then again, lots of places within each of these cities have pockets of shit options and anything outside of a major metropolitan area will generally have pretty poor options.

Also, you only have one choice in a given region, because they are given monopolies. If you live in a Comcast city, you get Comcast. If you live in a Cox area, you get Cox, and so on.

Near Denver, I get 50mbps down and 10mbps up with no data cap (but I'm paying $220/mo for a business account at my home). The business account is because it's the only way to get an account with Comcast that doesn't have bandwidth limits and that is faster than 27mbps/7mbps.