#1 Posted by aerious (124 posts) -

My fellow Australian Giantbomb and whiskey family members. 
 
It is time you all stopped bitching about the banning of games in Australia and learned about a magical place called New Zealand. Now along with hobbits, wizards, conchords and ents New Zealand has an 18+ rating for videogames. This means that you can import it for around the same price if not cheaper than buying it in Australia. I call your attention to the website  http://www.mightyape.com.au/ . Now I don't work for mightyape, but I can say that I have had great success buying the uncut version of left for dead 2 along with the unreleased Demon's Souls from their website. 
 
So please stop moaning about the government, the R18+ rating will hopefully be implemented soon. In the meantime there are really easy ways to get around it. So go buy MK online like me, import it and enjoy. The goverment cannot interfere with this in any way, they aren't waiting on the border with patrols to destroy copies of MK or anything. 
 
Now if only we could do something about the $110 price point...

#2 Posted by Damodar (1283 posts) -

Or you know... buy from websites like Zavvi in the UK for literally half the price, with free shipping.

#3 Posted by Hats (360 posts) -
#4 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

Gray Marketing isn't going to help the cause.

#5 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5135 posts) -

Why would you want to play video games when your neighbors are wizard hobbits that can play awesome songs?

#6 Posted by aerious (124 posts) -
@SeriouslyNow:  The "Cause"? We've done all we can as active citizens to help the "cause." Now it's in the governments hands and due to the nature of bureaucracy its going to take some time for them to sort their shit out. In the meantime, instead of complaining and whining we can play the games we want to today. 
#7 Posted by aerious (124 posts) -
@Mr_Skeleton said:
"

Why would you want to play video games when your neighbors are wizard hobbits that can play awesome songs?

"
Unfortunately they're also New Zealanders, it cancels out much of the awesome.
#8 Posted by atomic_dumpling (2451 posts) -
@SeriouslyNow said:
" Gray Marketing isn't going to help the cause. "
Since when is international shipping gray marketing? As far as I now it is perfectly legal. It can get somewhat iffy when you import from Asia, but that's mostly a logistical problem.
#9 Posted by Aronman789 (2676 posts) -

I would just move to a different country.

#10 Posted by Damodar (1283 posts) -
@Aronman789: FUCK YOU AUSTRALIA IS THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!111
#11 Posted by Aronman789 (2676 posts) -
@Damodar said:
" @Aronman789: FUCK YOU AUSTRALIA IS THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!111 "
Not if you can't play a game simply because it has a bit of blood or they mention something bad.
#12 Posted by acidfox (11 posts) -
@Damodar said:
" Or you know... buy from websites like Zavvi in the UK for literally half the price, with free shipping. "
The shipping isn't as free as you might think, you still pay if you're not a UK customer.. but I guess the deals you get cover for it. Although it wouldn't hurt them to put "FREE SHIPPING FOR UK ONLY BITCHES! WOOOOOOOO!!" on the front page, it would avoid a lot of misunderstandings.
#13 Posted by Damodar (1283 posts) -

I think people over estimate the problem of not having an R rating here. Australia is generally less strict in ratings than a country like America in basically every way. It's just a problem when something does go outside of the ratings that we do have, which rarely happens. I think part of it is that Americans must assume that anything that gets a Mature rating in America must be automatically banned here, when it's basically never actually the case. 99.9% of the time, it just ends up with our MA rating, which is 15 years and up. What's Mature for American games? 17? Same with our movies. Although we have an R Rating, about 90% of stuff that is rated R in America is either M or MA here.
 
I can't think of anything that I know is actually banned here besides Mortal Kombat. Um... Soldier of Fortune 3 maybe? I think Manhunt was, but it's not anymore. That game sucks anyway >.> It's not like there aren't any instances of games being released here that were censored or cut in some way for their American releases. Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy was uncut here, the sex was cut out of the American version.
 
I was totally kidding in my last post, but I do feel like there is a misunderstanding of how much the lack of an R rating affects us. The answer is basically it doesn't. It's not like we're massively oppressed, either. It's just a bureaucratic problem of one crotchety old attorney-general can stop amendments to the classification system. The whole thing is farcical anyway; refusing the option for an R rating is basically saying the system doesn't work at all anyway.
 
If one game is refused classification every couple of years, I don't quite think it's worth leaving the country for. Especially when it's THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD FUCK YOU ALL

#14 Posted by Damodar (1283 posts) -
@acidfox said:
" @Damodar said:
" Or you know... buy from websites like Zavvi in the UK for literally half the price, with free shipping. "
The shipping isn't as free as you might think, you still pay if you're not a UK customer.. but I guess the deals you get cover for it. Although it wouldn't hurt them to put "FREE SHIPPING FOR UK ONLY BITCHES! WOOOOOOOO!!" on the front page, it would avoid a lot of misunderstandings. "
Last things I bought from Zavvi, I got free shipping. Marvel vs Capcom 3 for $54, arrived 6 days after launch. I also have a current order pending for 2 copies of BlazBlue on PC and there's no shipping cost on that either.
 
I did pay shipping on the order before that, but it was a negligible amount like $4. So I dunno what the deal is with shipping, maybe it's free on international now where it was not previously?
 
So I dunno, I'm not sure what the deal is there. It still ends up being much, much cheaper than buying locally. I can't believe EB actually charge $110 and that people actually pay it, that's disgusting. Especially since my nearest EB is in an arcade literally 3 doors away from a JB Hifi where it's all about $10-$20 cheaper. Although $90 still makes me sad. That's why I <3 Zavvi.
#15 Posted by Jams (2959 posts) -
@Damodar said:
Especially when it's THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD FUCK YOU ALL "
You give your country a bad name. Not that it didn't already have one AMIRITE?!? :)
#16 Edited by Tebbit (4447 posts) -

As a New Zealander, it is at this point that I would like to state that we don't have Wizards, but this still looks fucked up to me.

#17 Posted by Jams (2959 posts) -
@Tebbit said:
" As a New Zealander, it is at this point I would like to state that we don't have Wizards, but this still looks fucked up to me. "
You may not have wizards, but I hear you have red headed twins  that have a magical power called the twiness. Apparently while taking place Under the Mountain.
#18 Posted by Damodar (1283 posts) -
@jams: I dunno, I think it's a pretty good name. Australia. As in Australis. Southern.
#19 Posted by Jams (2959 posts) -
@Damodar said:
" @jams: I dunno, I think it's a pretty good name. Australia. As in Australis. Southern. "
Damn you got me there...
#20 Edited by wolf_blitzer85 (5250 posts) -

I read in another forum that customs would be getting all up in people's grill about importing the game and possibly slapping people with a ridiculous fine. Is this still true? If you import from New Zealand, are customs a little more chill? 
 
Or since you guys are so close, can you just bypass the man completely like you're saying?

#21 Posted by Tebbit (4447 posts) -
@jams said:
" @Tebbit said:
" As a New Zealander, it is at this point I would like to state that we don't have Wizards, but this still looks fucked up to me. "
You may not have wizards, but I hear you have red headed twins  that have a magical power called the twiness. Apparently while taking place Under the Mountain. "
What happens Under the Mountain stays Under the Mountain.
#22 Posted by Damodar (1283 posts) -
@wolf_blitzer85: I think if customs caught a copy of MK coming through in the mail, they'd just confiscate it. I think they'd only take any action in terms of fines if somebody bulk ordered a bunch and they suspected they planned to sell them or something. 
 
I don't think they'd catch very many copies coming through anyway.
#23 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5250 posts) -
@Damodar: So the most you have to worry about is possibly living with the fact that some cop is playing your copy of MK.
#24 Posted by KarlPilkington (2678 posts) -
@wolf_blitzer85 said:
" I read in another forum that customs would be getting all up in people's grill about importing the game and possibly slapping people with a ridiculous fine. Is this still true? If you import from New Zealand, are customs a little more chill?   Or since you guys are so close, can you just bypass the man completely like you're saying? "
Close? Australia to New Zealand is like the UK to Africa, Florida to Venezuela, Canada to Russia etc.
#25 Posted by buft (3300 posts) -
@Damodar  the funny thing is with the exception of MK, all the games banned by Australian officials are actually quite shit, BMX XXX, leisure suite larry. 
#26 Posted by Seedofpower (3925 posts) -

What about online and the censorship there?

#27 Posted by Vinny_Says (5681 posts) -

America, land of the free and the home of the brave....or Canada, they don't ban games there either!

#28 Posted by Metal_Mills (2980 posts) -

The problem isn't just banning it. It's illegal to import it and customs are specifically looking out for it. If you get caught for can be fined up to as much as a drug or weapons smuggler($110,000). 
 
 @blacklabeldomm said:

" America, land of the free and the home of the brave....or Canada, they don't ban games there either! "
They just wiretap your phones and data information if they suspect you of pirating like they would a terrorist. That's much better.
#29 Posted by JeffGoldblum (3695 posts) -
@Metal_Mills said:
"
 
 @blacklabeldomm said:
" America, land of the free and the home of the brave....or Canada, they don't ban games there either! "
They just wiretap your phones and data information if they suspect you of pirating like they would a terrorist. That's much better. "
Hey, parts of the PATRIOT Act just expired and we're working on the rest of it. Give us a break!
#30 Posted by aerious (124 posts) -

Customs doesn't give a shit about you importing a copy of MK, they're not going to confiscate it and they're not going to fine you. Now if you are a business importing it for sale in Australia that may be a different story. You can however buy it from overseas and have it sent to you as it  has been refused classification. It's a different thing to being banned, people forget that it's only being refused classification and therefore cannot be sold by a retailer in Australia. It's not that it's banned and all copies seen being brought in will be burned in a bonfire on the border. 
 
So to reiterate, import without any fear of customs interfering, they honestly have bigger things to worry about and wouldn't do anything anyway. So please stop implying that we live in a police state that confiscates everything. And no they can't fine you as you aren't importing for purpose of sale.

#31 Posted by Stackboy (478 posts) -

I'm inclined to believe the guy above me.

#32 Posted by StillVictor (150 posts) -
@aerious What you say makes sense, but are you really sure of that? How do you know?
#33 Posted by aerious (124 posts) -
@StillVictor said:
" @aerious What you say makes sense, but are you really sure of that? How do you know? "
I'm absolutely sure. It comes down to the way the classification laws work. In order for a game to be sold in Australia it must carry with it a rating classification. What has happened with MK is that it has been refused classification because of it's content existing outside current classification guidelines. Therefore it cannot be sold in Australia as it isn't assigned a rating classification. 
 
This doesn't make the game contraband. The government hasn't deemed the game to be damaging to the Australian people and thereby illegal. The classification laws just make a game effectively banned because it was refused classification. It isn't actively policed as being banned, it just cannot be sold by a retailer as it hasn't been classified by the OFLC. 
 
It is not illegal for a citizen to buy MK overseas and have it shipped to Australia. The classification laws pertain only to retailers selling the game, not the game itself. Customs will not have any problem with it, and you will definitely not be fined in any way. 
 
If the government had deemed MK as contraband, by banning it outright and ruling against possessing it, it would be a different story. Only very rarely has the Australian government acted in such an extreme way with a piece of media. 
 
I hope this clears things up, there's a lot of confusing reports out there on this issue.