Posted by Animasta (14691 posts) -

Okay, so, I'm not the biggest soccer fan in the world. Before playing FM I barely knew what the differerences were between a full back and a half back. I got into it via screenshot LP's, one of them in Something Awful and the other on this other site (runofplay I think it was).

Now, why is Football Manager the greatest strategy game of all time?

It's a lot like Crusader Kings 2. It gives you the information, and you fill it in if you want to or not. Just like CK2, you do not compete in the battles, as it were, you can merely shout at your players to stop fucking up or yell at them to mark dudes or whatever. You can also change tactics. But that's it, and changing tactics in the middle is a dangerous move. The rest is you looking at stats, the rest is you hiring players and doing press conferences and looking at stats and hiring staff and looking at stats and deciding which stats to train. (you look at stats a lot)

It creates stories. I had a star striker that came through my youth system, and I was real excited for him.

Hi, you might recognize me from The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

He was my top scorer and the league's top in the Skrill Premier (5th highest league in England) AND the Sky Bet League 2 (aka the 4th league no I don't get it either). He got his first national call up at the age of 18! It was Wales so not a whole lot of choice there but still. So, I get into Sky Bet League 1, and Chelsea (who won the Premier league 4 times in a row and are king shit in all of England) comes by with an offer of nearly 9 million dollars. I'm floundering pretty hardcore, in both the league and the finances (this is why going up back to back is very dangerous) so I accept. It was heartbreaking :( He was loaned back to me for the rest of the season and I barely stayed up. Luckily I have some others that could potentially be pretty exciting, but none of them came through my system. I connected with the digital man in a way I never was able to for CK2.

His hair looks like it's glued on

Now, I know a lot more about soccer but i'm still pretty bad at the game. I look at stats, go, "WELL THIS IS A HIGH NUMBER" without regarding their other stats... having a star player with a weak consistency is the goddamn worst. But sometimes they'll play way better then their star rating would lead you to believe.

It's all pretty fantastic.And rage inducing, but I'm pretty sure regular soccer is like that vOvThanks to @nev for making sure this blog could exist! <3and thanks to... everyone on my friends list who listens to me talk about it because they're all americans and thus do not care for soccer.Also the reason I chose Rorie to be the head coach was because I had his 90's picture from the GOTY videos and I felt that 90's rorie would be a perfect head coach. For anything.

#1 Posted by Wilshere (308 posts) -

Youth development is one of the delights in FM. The game (simulators in general) has the ability to create stories within its framework. One of my own favorites is when i got fired from my Turkish league team and got appointed mid season in Poland. Then this happened:

#2 Posted by Animasta (14691 posts) -

Finding youth players is the best. I got Ian and sold him for 9 million dollars. I transferred a young Italian striker that was languishing in a skrill south team for 7k and I sold him to Udinese for 4 million 2 seasons later.

Meanwhile bringing in guys thanks to those transfers that are just as good, just in different spots (I got two potentially fantastic players from Ireland), and at a fraction of the cost.

#3 Posted by Jothel (925 posts) -

I put in over 550 hours into FM10 and it is the biggest emotional connection to any game I've ever had. Love those games

#4 Posted by MachoFantastico (4683 posts) -

Loved the franchise since it's Championship Manager days, which I played to death as a kid. That said, I've struggled to enjoy Football Manager for quite a few years now which I don't quite understand. I bought FM2014 on Steam and I'm having a hard time getting into that traditional flow, even the classic mode (which should suit me more) is a little 'to' streamlined. I think the thing I loved about these games is seeing the alternative history take place, the transfers between clubs and the way the leagues/clubs would change over many many years. But FM2014 hasn't done it for me so far and I don't know why, last FM game I bought was 2010 which I struggled with to.

But boy, back in those championship manager days I loved the living heck out of them and eventually messed around with the editor, making my own league filled with friends and what not.

#5 Posted by AdzPearson (201 posts) -

Nice post. It's pretty cool that someone unfamiliar with football can get into FM. It doesn't strike me as a game that's very friendly to newcomers of the sport. This has kind of changed my mind. Maybe GB covering Football Manager one day isn't so far-fetched...hmm...yeah...probably not...

I've played a lot of FM in the past. Used to play as Everton a lot (as I support them), but now I generally look to start as a small team and build myself up. Feels a lot more satisfying that way. I've managed in Poland, Russia, Holland, China...all over the place. Had a lot of fun doing it. I haven't played it a great deal recently, but I'm sure I'll get back into it at some point.

Being from North Wales, I was also pleased to see that you're managing Colwyn Bay. It's my nearest Welsh team that play in the English system. I've also managed them on FM myself. League 1 was as far as I got before the financial situation got too restrictive. Looks like you have a chance of progressing with the sale of that promising youngster, though. Hope you continue to do well.

#6 Posted by MarkWahlberg (4604 posts) -

Someone once described these games to me as real world pokemon crossed with... some other strategy game I can't remember. I blame lack of sleep. my point is, I'd really like to see Twitch Plays Football Manager.

#7 Posted by Animasta (14691 posts) -

@adzpearson: I did pick them on a whim more or less (Colwyn being the lowest level welsh team available to play in the English system). It taps into my appreciation of the underdog. Sales of youngsters definitely has to be the way I succeed, though, because we don't get many fans compared to everyone else in league 1. I am doing really well atm after finishing bottom mid last season, but most of it is me winning 1-0.

Also, lemme tell you, it was not very friendly. I spent the first 10-15 hours being angry at it, and then I watched some actual soccer matches, and then I read a bunch of faqs and then I spent the next 10-15 hours understanding it and still being angry.

I also prefer managing in England so far because, well, there are more steps. I've really wanted to take A.D. Melilla, which is one of the spanish cities in Africa, because having a high level team there would be hella ridiculous, but Spain also has a bunch more rules.

#8 Posted by AdzPearson (201 posts) -

@animasta: Yeah, I could see how that would be the case with the newer games. Even as a long-term player, FM13 has never gone well for me. When I had some little signs of success, I was unfairly sacked by various teams. As soon as I saw that FM14 had similar issues, I've avoided it like the plague. FM12 was the last installment that was fair, but still challenging (in my opinion, at least).

Yeah, I considered managing Melilla myself. There's also one or two teams in the Canary Islands that play in the Spanish system. While it's not reflected in the game, I find it fun to imagine teams like Real and Barca travelling quite a fair distance to the home games of those teams. If you want another one, there's a team in the Russian 2nd tier (SKA-Energiya Khabarovsk) that are based all the way in the far east corner of Russia. Pretty much all their opponents are based in European Russia, so their journeys are...quite something....

But yeah, I'd recommend sticking to England for the time being. Much easier to get to grips with. When you're ready, some of the other leagues are fun.

#9 Edited by gerrid (323 posts) -

It's funny to think of FM as a strategy game like CK2, but I suppose there are a lot of similarities. The main difference is how closely Football Manager is trying to simulate real life, I suppose.

I'm dreading the April release of FM14 on vita because it will probably be life-ruining.

Some of the magic disappears once you delve into what is going on under the hood. Actually most of the magic disappears, but it's still compelling.

never look behind the fm curtain