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#1 Edited by Dissolve (375 posts) -
Sony did things right when making the jump to video games but Panasonic (aided by The 3DO Company) did not.


I guess breaking into the home console market is nearly impossible and some think we'll end up with the one console future (which has its pros and cons). But wouldn't it be fun to see some company like Samsung or Apple make a worthy effort and possibly bring something new to the home console market? I kind of miss the 80s and 90s when there were more companies making consoles than you could count on one hand.

Also what would you even call a new game console? Naming it has got to be the hardest part.

I'm picturing something like "the Samsung GameHub" or "the Apple iGame." Good Lord, those are lame. I fail.

#2 Posted by lordofultima (6247 posts) -

No new console companies, I see less in the future, in fact. Perhaps, one.

#3 Posted by MattyFTM (14383 posts) -

I could see apple having a stab at it in the next few years, but other than that, no.

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#4 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

I'm all for the O.C.F., but who would make it? Sony/MS/Nintendo collab?

#5 Posted by lordofultima (6247 posts) -

Nintendo isn't a factor, I'm sure they'll continue to make money for eternity. But either Sony OR Microsoft, not both.

#6 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

Sony makes the hardware, Microsoft makes the software.

#7 Posted by MattyFTM (14383 posts) -
Dissolve said:
"I'm all for the O.C.F., but who would make it? Sony/MS/Nintendo collab?
"
Excuse my ignorance, but what is O.C.F.?
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#8 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

ONE CONSOLE FUTURE




it's coming sooner than you think

#9 Edited by MattyFTM (14383 posts) -

Ah, I am 100% against a one console future. It gets rid of any competition, meaning there is no strive to improve on the current console. And I doubt it'll ever happen. These large businesses will always want their finger in a pie worth as much as the video gaming industry.

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#10 Edited by sarahsdad (1088 posts) -
One
Console
Future

As to that, depends what day it is wether I think that's a good idea or not.
#11 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

BUT


is not the competition between the game developers? Don't we want everyone to have a great game system, the SAME great game system, and simply have the devs fight for our money, rather than the console makers?
#12 Posted by HitNRun (344 posts) -
Dissolve said:

is not the competition between the game developers? Don't we want everyone to have a great game system, the SAME great game system, and simply have the devs fight for our money, rather than the console makers?

Yes, but then that same great game system would cost $599 US Dollars, $599 US Dollars, $599 US Dollars, Giant Crab...Enemy Crab.....Based on Japanese History....

Sorry, got lost there. Yeah, the console price would be expensive and would never come down. That Sony and MS have to take losses to sell us their stuff is the bright side of capitalism.
#13 Edited by MattyFTM (14383 posts) -

Yes game developers will always compete, but what about when new technologies come around and would improve the console, there will be no drive to implement it. Competition is a good thing for both consoles and games. It is needed. If we didn't have multiple consoles, would motion sensing controllers have come up in consoles? No. And who knows what technologies we'll miss out on if there is only one console

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#14 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

BUT for $599 US DOLLARS it would grill burgers. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

#15 Edited by DualReaver (3882 posts) -

I foresee there never ever being another major one.

#16 Posted by HitNRun (344 posts) -

If it grilled burgers, and not discs, I would be so in. We could have Sony fix Microsoft's heat-sink problem to redirect the heat to the lean, tender patties.

Truly, the future is now.

As to the OT, I think we could have seen a new console if MS didn't enter the market. Now the market's kind of full. What's it called, the Phantom tried to do whatever they were doing a few years back, and they couldn't get any investments at all because there's no room for them.

#17 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

Ha, I knew the Phantom would be brought up.


I was rather excited for that thing and loved the mouse-under-the-keyboard controller it had which, after Googling just now, I've learned you can BUY!

http://www.phantom.net/home.html

#18 Posted by Damonation (556 posts) -
MattyFTM said:
"Yes game developers will always compete, but what about when new technologies come around and would improve the console, there will be no drive to implement it. Competition is a good thing for both consoles and games. It is needed. If we didn't have multiple consoles, would motion sensing controllers have come up in consoles? No. And who knows what technologies we'll miss out on if there is only one console
"
I totally agree with you. This "One Console Future" that people foresee is not one I like. And I hate this whole, "Console War" fad going on. It implies that at some point there will be a loser and a victor and that the winner will be the only worthy console on the market. Plus, as much as you hate to admit it, it is kinda fun to see fanboys flaming for their console. I hope this war goes on forever and just gets more companies involved.
#19 Posted by Kenzo287 (722 posts) -

i can't see a new one anytime soon but I wouldn't be too surprised if the Sith lords over at Activision Blizzard come out with a console and it sells because of Guitar Hero

#20 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

Actibliz could make a dedicated WoW box.

#21 Edited by Major (506 posts) -
MattyFTM said:
"I could see apple having a stab at it in the next few years, but other than that, no.
"
With them pushing games for their OS and the iPhone... I doubt they'd even bother with consoles.
I don't really see a one console future being good.. Sure its good for my wallet but competition is a healthy thing.

plus, Sony and Microsoft are huuge companies and will support their independant consoles for a very, very, very long time.
#22 Posted by HitNRun (344 posts) -
Damonation said:
And I hate this whole, "Console War" fad going on. It implies that at some point there will be a loser and a victor and that the winner will be the only worthy console on the market.
Yeah, the problem with the One Console Future is that unless the Archangel with the trumpet comes down right afterwards and says "alright guys, gg" there's always going to be another console. If the market can support 2, there'll be 2.
#23 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

ATi or Nvidia could make their own consoles and feature some kind of extremely simply way to upgrade your graphics card as time goes on. That could be cool.

#24 Posted by Major (506 posts) -
Dissolve said:
"ATi or Nvidia could make their own consoles and feature some kind of extremely simply way to upgrade your graphics card as time goes on. That could be cool.
"
How would that be any different than a PC?
#25 Posted by xruntime (1920 posts) -

I would love to see 1 console. But when there's no competition, companies will not have any motivation to innovate.

I think we might see a new contender in the future, but nowhere anytime soon.

#26 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

PS3 and Xbox 360 didn't innovate crap and they're competitors.


I think the reasoning that companies won't innovate if there's no competition is crap.

#27 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

CRAP I SAY!

#28 Posted by predator (352 posts) -

After what happened to Gizmondo and Phantom, no new console companies in my opinion.

#29 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -
Major said:
"Dissolve said:
"ATi or Nvidia could make their own consoles and feature some kind of extremely simply way to upgrade your graphics card as time goes on. That could be cool.
"
How would that be any different than a PC?
"
Because it's a closed box except for an easily swappable video card made just for the system. The card wouldn't be a regular card but rather a nice-looking, covered-in-plastic jobbie that is consumer friendly.
#30 Posted by predator (352 posts) -
Dissolve said:
"Major said:
"Dissolve said:
"ATi or Nvidia could make their own consoles and feature some kind of extremely simply way to upgrade your graphics card as time goes on. That could be cool.
"
How would that be any different than a PC?
"
Because it's a closed box except for an easily swappable video card made just for the system. The card wouldn't be a regular card but rather a nice-looking, covered-in-plastic jobbie that is consumer friendly.
"
What about bottlenecking?
#31 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -
predator said:
"Dissolve said:
"Major said:
"Dissolve said:
"ATi or Nvidia could make their own consoles and feature some kind of extremely simply way to upgrade your graphics card as time goes on. That could be cool.
"
How would that be any different than a PC?
"
Because it's a closed box except for an easily swappable video card made just for the system. The card wouldn't be a regular card but rather a nice-looking, covered-in-plastic jobbie that is consumer friendly.
"
What about bottlenecking?
"
Well, it's not a PC so games would be specifically designed for the console. So any card upgrade you get would have games specifically designed for it plus the original console's RAM and CPU.

OKAY THIS IS A BAD IDEA THERE I SAID IT
#32 Posted by TheGTAvaccine (2884 posts) -
Major said:
"Dissolve said:
"ATi or Nvidia could make their own consoles and feature some kind of extremely simply way to upgrade your graphics card as time goes on. That could be cool.
"
How would that be any different than a PC?
"
How are consoles any different from PC's?
#33 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

Well, one single set of specifications to design a game for and no chance of hardware upgrades (usually, except in the N64's case of the RAM upgrade).

#34 Posted by Shadow2K6 (381 posts) -

No unless one of the current companies exits (like how Sega left and Microsoft came in).  As far as the one console future I doubt that will ever happen since companies will always want a piece of the hardware pie and which is why consoles are not like PCs (as a business standpoint).

#35 Posted by brukaoru (5079 posts) -
MattyFTM said:
"I could see apple having a stab at it in the next few years, but other than that, no."
I agree with this.
#36 Posted by JJGIANT (755 posts) -

i bet starbucks will be a video game company, seeing the direction they're going!

#37 Edited by BiggerBomb (6944 posts) -

Atari, I'll put money on it. Atari goes private, gains a new CEO, and Phil Harrison (who by and large built Sony to what it is today) is now working for the company. This wouldn't be happening if Atari didn't have something up its sleeve and considering the aforementioned changes I think it will be something big. A la a major franchise, or perhaps a new console.

Phil Harrison wouldn't jump ship from his lofty throne in Sony to the sinking ship of Atari if he didn't see anything big in the works. I am not sure how much Atari has acquired from investors as of now, but a few months back they had recieved upwards of $80 million in funding.

I have strong feeling that when Atari emerges again they will go public and present a very promising concept, such as a new console or franchise.

My 2c.

#38 Posted by Dissolve (375 posts) -

Jaguar 2

you heard it here first
#39 Posted by Spencer (252 posts) -

I would say that the risk and cost are too high for another company to even want to enter the console market.

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#40 Posted by Clean (2356 posts) -

I could see Apple going in competing with Microsoft. I mean their entering the portable console race so its only a  matter of time

#41 Edited by Funployee (30 posts) -
BiggerBomb said:
"Atari, I'll put money on it. Atari goes private, gains a new CEO, and Phil Harrison (who by and large built Sony to what it is today) is now working for the company. This wouldn't be happening if Atari didn't have something up its sleeve and considering the aforementioned changes I think it will be something big. A la a major franchise, or perhaps a new console.

Phil Harrison wouldn't jump ship from his lofty throne in Sony to the sinking ship of Atari if he didn't see anything big in the works. I am not sure how much Atari has acquired from investors as of now, but a few months back they had recieved upwards of $80 million in funding.

I have strong feeling that when Atari emerges again they will go public and present a very promising concept, such as a new console or franchise.

My 2c."

Atari just invested in Phil Harrison because they wanted to make sure someone knows what they are doing to run the company.  Also when it comes to a new console company, i think Apple might have already have done something similar with the iphone, and itouch.  I remember last time Apple tried to make a console it was an immense failure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandai_Pippin
#42 Posted by Hughes (398 posts) -

Apple is eventually gonna make iCar's anyway so they might as well make a game console.

#43 Posted by Sentry (4197 posts) -

Next Xbox is coming out later, larger companies like EA already know about it.

#44 Posted by CharleyTony (924 posts) -

there might be a one console future,, but more likely a one console agreement ...
2 or 3 companies agreeing to use the same base technology in their console to help out multiplatform developement and then they will find other ways to make their machine a little different ... to spice it up and not make em look like clones of each other ... and they will have some exclusive games ... all first party....

if a new company goes into gaming hardware it could almost only be Apple ... the kind of mass appeal the Wii has been getting is not unlike what Apple has going with the iPod ... competitors making something that couls be argued as a little better but doesnt gett the same buzz as the almighty Wii or iPod ...

#45 Posted by Gunraidan (216 posts) -
Personally I think that standardization is going to be the next route. Basically make games like DVD players. The only company I see going against this is Nintendo, but even then they'd be better off conforming as there would be no point in creating a console due to the lack of royalties from third parties.
#46 Posted by Blu_Magic (2021 posts) -

I don't see any new companies in the near future.

#47 Posted by Blu_Magic (2021 posts) -
Dissolve said:
"PS3 and Xbox 360 didn't innovate crap and they're competitors.


I think the reasoning that companies won't innovate if there's no competition is crap.
"
Well, competition led to Nintendo incorporating motion sensing in to their console.
#48 Posted by Aarny91 (3912 posts) -
lordofultima said:
"No new console companies, I see less in the future, in fact. Perhaps, one.
"

Dun Dun Dunnnn
#49 Posted by Sentry (4197 posts) -
Aarny said:
"lordofultima said:
"No new console companies, I see less in the future, in fact. Perhaps, one.
"

Dun Dun Dunnnn"

Errr, no; phail.
#50 Posted by HeLives (63 posts) -

The cost of entry is too high of a barrier to support another manufacturer entering the arena.  Not many companies to afford multiple years of  losses and still survive.  Furthermore, a new system will have to find developers willing to take a chance on them.  It faces the dilemna of innovating enough to differentiate itself from competitors but remain similar-enough to evoke a sense of familiarity. 

Perhaps the final reason no one else will enter the market is, us.  I'm tired of paying for a new system and I know I'm not the only one.  Heck I don't even have a PS3 but I really, really want one.  All of these costly systems in the marketplace leave a sour taste in my mouth.  One console future? No.  New entrants? No.  More of the same, Yes please!