Cynics - Are You Swayed?

Witcher 3, BF4 PC multiplayer and Mirror's Edge = I'm swayed.

Show me a game like The Witcher 3 on PC. Witcher 2? That's not an open world game dude.

Metal Gear and Titanfall both looked sweet, but they'll be on other platforms. The only exclusive that got me interested was Quantum Break, and no one has any idea what the fuck that's even going to be.

Everything else looked like some video game-ass video games. I haven't seen anything that couldn't be done on current systems yet.

Excuse me? How's the used games market not to detriment of the industry, and to the *honest* consumer? The actual content creators don't see a dime of that used games money, even if the money is spent on other games thereafter.

Steam has no second hand sales. It just has sales. If you want games on the cheap, wait for the sale. That's the future, and I'm with it. High game prices come from a need for maximum monetization. The industry actually makes money of sales, even if's crazy discounted like a Steam special sale. All digital account-bound, respecitvely restricted second hand sales, will lead to more actual sales in the vein of Steam sales, and will help to lower prices, respectively keep them on a level.

I never faltered.

What?

I still have to see the Sony conference before I decide what console I get behind. I'm excited for the next gen, but disappointed in the vehicle's to play them.

I picked not excited just because I'm not really excited for the Xbox One. We'll see about the PS4 come Sony's conference, but I'm more excited about a couple games themselves rather than the box. Fortunately, most of those games are coming to PC as well, so I'm already set on that front.

I'd be quite a lousy cynic if I let a press conference sway me. Especially since I've not seen the press conference in question. Also, I may not be actually be an actual cynic, in actuality. What was it we were supposed to be cynical about, again?

I continue to see no reason to invest in anything other than PC gaming.

I'm still fucking pissed about the $150 I spend on Kinect.

@seppli: I did like the games that were shown. MS has almost redeemed themselves, with one tiny little problem. I can get used to having to connect to the internet once a day if, and only if, MS can ensure me that they will somehow allow me to continue using my Xbox One offline after they have shut the servers down like they did the original Xbox's. I really don't like the idea of spending thousands of dollars on something over the course of several years and then having every dollar spent flushed down the drain when a company decides that it's time for me to move on to their next big product.

Is that a cynical stance to take?

Another issue that I take is with Xbox Live Gold - I'll pay for it if MS introduces features instead of locking stuff behind it. Like the free games that Sony gives for people with PSPlus, for instance, which they might be doing since Fable 3 is free for Gold members right now.

Isn't the definition of a cynic, "an asshole that can't be satisfied by anything"?

Coincidentally, 8-4 Play should be called the Cynic Podcast. Seriously...

I don't need to show you a game LIKE The Witcher 3 on the PC, because Witcher 3 IS a PC game. It was announced as a PC game back in February. Promoting it like it's something special for consoles is silly.

The Witcher 3 is not out right now, is it?

There's a correlation game developement-wise between the console market and the PC market. Sure - CD Projekt RED is an exceptional outfit, having essentially repeated Valve's success story (GoG.com is CD Projekt RED's publishing platform), in addition to working out of a low-income country. Outfits like CD Projekt RED and Valve are the absolute exception.

Regardless of their fairly unique position in the industry, the console market does influence the industry at large tremendously. Just look at all the games being shown today. Think of how long experiences like these have been held back by the outdated 360 and PS3 hardware.

I'm not knocking the PC, I'm merely excited for the new generation of gaming - which includes the PC.

I'm a realist, to not accept those DRM rules isn't cynical it is knowing when you are being mugged by a thief. If you don't know when you are being played that doesn't make you "fair & open minded" it just makes you a chump.

I'm still in the middle, nothing so far has jumped out at me.

All those threads about the conference that got locked today, and somehow this one dodged the bullet? Hmm.

Be as fucking excited as you want, good or bad they haven't showed me anything I want yet. So no reason to be excited for me.

Having a system get filled with pointless shit so they can demand a ridiculous amount of money for it isn't really helping either.

I guess I wanted something special, a reason to own a new console. Now I have I have another reason to invest in a new graphics card.

This morning's presentation definitely left me with an 'is this really where we're headed' feeling.

I think people need to realize there is a difference about being excited about the new consoles and being excited about Video Games in general. I don't want the new consoles and will not be getting one as I have 0 interest and anything they offer. I am however excited about Witcher 3, Mirror's edge 2, and a ton of other game coming to my computer. Just because I dont want any consoles doesn't make me a bad gamer or a bad person.

"Or you can be pissy about it, like the internet."

- Aisha Tyler

No. I've never hated Microsoft more than at this point in time. They have done nothing but alienate my demographic and essentially tell me they're not interested in any money I would have spent on their products.

Konami I skipped out on. I have still yet to play any of the MGS games.

What are you even talking about there? Are you just throwing out random words?

This is where I'm at. I'm sad that people who aren't willing to just bend over and take it from MS are being called names on this site.

As for the event, just a bunch of pretty, shallow dudebro garbage and a price that will surely leave it out of the hands of the mass market consumer that they've sacrificed us for.

I loved the way sunset overdrive looked. I can't believe it is $500 though. Also, are they not dropping the price of the 360 with the new hardware? That's bullshit.

This is pretty much how I feel, I remain cynical about the new consoles, I feel gaming was held back by the long life cycle and now we finally have new consoles there are more games coming out I'm excited for.

Used games didn't force publishers to make their budgets as bloated as they are.

Used games didn't force publishers go make more homogenized games.

Used games didn't make it so you have to sell 3-5 million copies in order to be successful.

Used books, CDs and movies haven't gone near toppling the market for new. You know why? Because the margins aren't there; what would you get selling off a $20 Blu-Ray? $5? All game companies would have to do to completely and utterly eradicate used game sales is to sell their product at a reasonable price, but the industry as a whole is too greedy for that. And if you think Steam sales are going to happen on XBOne, you're high, because the publishers don't want yet another platform where everyone has the "app store mentality," they way they do on iOS, Android and Steam.

At the end of the day, the used games debate is simply a bogeyman put up by the big publishers' CEOs to cover up their asses so they don't have to address the real issue in this industry: the budgets have spiraled out of control. When more publishers are willing to sacrifice a few particle effects and make creative games at reasonable prices, things will right themselves.

Yeah, Microsoft DID show games. Nobody thought they wouldn't. They looked like video games. A lot of them will be available on better platforms with less restrictions, paywalls and privacy invasion. I'll probably buy them.

I'll never purchase an XBOX one. There is a difference between being excited for software, and being excited for the platform.

Not seeing anything that's blowing me away, but I'm certainly going to buy a console at launch.

Also I've been excited or PS4 since the reveal. I'll be doing that, a Vita and PC

I gotta say the price is fair enough for the Xbone, I guess, but everything they showed was just the same shit with better graphics. Granted, I haven't seen the press conference, only the trailers, but c'mon.

the only thing lacking imagination is the next generation of consoles

Don't think anyone can be as cynical as the people who write about these games are, if reading the twitter feed on Gamespot's E3 page is anything to go by.

Speaking of which, these guys aren't one tenth as funny as they think they are.

I'm hyped for PS4 and the potential future Wii U may end having. I could not be more unhyped(I'm making that a word now.) for the Xbox One. Seriously, you can not even fathom the enormity of my non-fuck giving capabilities on all things concerning the Xbone.

$600 at EBgames.

@seppli: try using full edit to add more poll options.

@ogred said:

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We're getting LESS shafted than the UK?

*checks outside to see if cats and dogs are moving in together*

I'm quite hyped for next-gen technology, but I'm quite cynical, angry, and vehemently opposed to highly restrictive DRM and the erosion of property rights.

Your poll kind of sucks.

You can't edit polls, last I checked. Hell, it hits the tone I wanted.

I am super-excited at seeing the first generation software of the new generation of games, and cannot understand the lack thereof in many a commenter on the ongoings at E3 2013. Many a one seems to misconstrue the poll to being about the MS event primarily. I never inteded it to be taken as such.

If you haven't seen things you've always wanted to see in videogames this E3, but haven't until now, then you're likely blinded by some sort of affliction. An affliction I do not understand. Hence the somewhat *annoyed* undercurrent to the poll - I guess. Or at least that's how it's taken.

I fully expected pretty much everyone to be as excited as I am, and the whole *U See Now?* aspect of the poll being taken with more of a wink and a nod, rather than such vocal opposition.

We get hammered no matter what the prices are overseas.

I've seen a handful of titles which look like they could be interesting. Mostly, I've seen a lot of pretty pre-rendered cutscenes and some gameplay which looked pretty standard and pretty janky. Because it's E3.

Y'alls posting in a Seppli thread.

We got shafted gently this time, I appreciate it microsoft. feel sorry for UK dudes though ;{

Some of the xbone stuff looked cool, but i'll just get most of it for pc

Just because I haven't yet been persuaded into feverishly scribbling, 'May I please have an Xbox One, the new Xbox console not the first one, the third one. ONE. The expensive one.' onto my letter to Santy doesn't mean I don't enjoy partaking in the event. A new console launch is engaging regardless of whether or not someone is losing their mind biting the keyboard in a rage of perceived betrayal or in awe and admiration.

You are talking as if the segment of games you describe doesn't exist. They do exist. Even big publishers push such games, but they are (luckily) also in the business of making blockbusters. Blockbusters are big business, if they actually hit it big - you can't fault people to try, and I certainly love to play blockbusters games.

I'm pretty excited to play video games. I'm not excited to watch other people play a video game or watch pre-rendered cutscenes. I'm too busy playing video games that anybody and everybody can get their hands on right now to even give a fuck about forced hype.

I am excited that the artificial cap of old hardware is being removed from developers and they're starting to let their tress-FXd hair down and start making even more beautiful and giant games. Whether it's PS4, Xbone, or PC, we have some cool new worlds in front of us, and for that I am excited!!

(also, watch that Arkham Origins trailer and tell me it doesn't have that 'last-gen' look to it compared to some of the new-gen trailers today)

still am a cynic, when "Minecraft XBox One" came up I felt like "Okay you still need to play catch up with the innovation of PC gaming."