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#1 Posted by AcidBrandon18 (796 posts) -

I love Star Fox. 64 and Adventure are great games. He is my favorite character in Melee. It just saddens me great deal that the "Furry" community has taken such a liking to the character as well. Did they exist prior to Star Fox or did Star Fox make "Furries" a household name?

#2 Posted by Demoskinos (15179 posts) -
#3 Edited by JakJ (1010 posts) -

Your ignorance and stupidity is just mind numbing. Are you like 9 years old?

#4 Posted by Shindiggah (350 posts) -

Nope, the concept was but a small glimmer in some lonely asshole's eye before the release of Starfox.

#5 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

No, the notion has been around far longer than Star Fox.

#6 Posted by AcidBrandon18 (796 posts) -

All I'm saying is that I think furries exist because of Star Fox and since I'm a fan of Star Fox I think I should apologize for the existence of furries.

#7 Posted by goatmilk (181 posts) -

This is kind of like asking if people were into buggery before Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

#8 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

@AcidBrandon18 said:

All I'm saying is that I think furries exist because of Star Fox and since I'm a fan of Star Fox I think I should apologize for the existence of furries.

Boy, are you naive.

#9 Posted by Daveyo520 (7008 posts) -
#10 Posted by Demoskinos (15179 posts) -
#11 Posted by TwoLines (2843 posts) -

@AcidBrandon18 said:

All I'm saying is that I think furries exist because of Star Fox and since I'm a fan of Star Fox I think I should apologize for the existence of furries.

I'm not crossing your bridge, troll. I'm not paying you the troll toll.

#12 Edited by bybeach (5006 posts) -

I don't think you should do that. Especially on the Internet.

Instead I would advise you to blame others.

That is the path of wisdom

#13 Posted by ddensel (388 posts) -
#14 Posted by Jayzilla (2573 posts) -

Beatrix Potter anyone? Winnie the Pooh. Take my hand and you are half way there. Knowing is half the battle. GO JOE!

#15 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7100 posts) -

@ddensel said:

Dude! Stanley Kubrick and/or Stephen King must have really liked Star Fox.

#16 Posted by Animasta (14730 posts) -

do you know how many half animal half human people are in ancient mythology? fuckin centaurs dude.

#17 Posted by MordeaniisChaos (5730 posts) -

@Animasta said:

do you know how many half animal half human people are in ancient mythology? fuckin centaurs dude.

FUCKING centaurs, am I right? Eh? EH? *nudge nudge, wink wink*

#18 Posted by TruthTellah (9481 posts) -

Ugh. Seriously?

#19 Edited by Inkerman (1455 posts) -

Actually if anyone want's a specific timeframe, Furries first began to appear (at least the concept) in the early 80s, evolving from the 'Gallaci Group', a group of fans of comic book artist Steve Gallaci's planned serial about anthropomorphic animals fighting a war in space. THIS is a link to an article in The Verge about Anthrocon 2012.

But yes, as some people have pointed out, depictions of anthropomorphic animals seem to have existed since the dawn of civilization, and no small part of that cultural meme has been sexualised. I would argue it's perhaps innate to human psychology (for some fucked up reason).

#20 Edited by Fuzzles (10 posts) -

As someone you could actually call a Furry, I think I'm a much better person to consult on this topic than people who learned its definition from a youtube comment. Starfox is popular with furries for obvious reasons, you want a time period for when it was invented? Hell, you could look at Ancient Egypt and find human/animal depictions. The content of Furry interest has always been there as imagination has always been there. Peoples issue, in fact, almost everyone's issue with Furries is the culture based around it which attracts sexual deviancy for reasons I don't know how to explain, but that's the way it is. But that is a criticism you can only level at some of the people involved, you can't proxy guilt onto the imaginary concept of human/animals. You might find that Furries exist in its popularity as they are an advanced take on the expression of individual personality. Everyone at some point has considered the animal they would be if they could be one and that questions is asked because it defines you in a way you like. We adopt animal imagery because it's the artistic interpretation of who we really are. Like a badge. It's that expressive quality that makes the Furry culture art driven. If a Furry isn't an artist then for damn sure they are getting art made for them. As this is a representation of ourselves, sexuality seeps in and takes form in the art as sex is also emphasized by relation to animals. Horses anyone? Shags like a minx? Rabbits? As porn is very popular and adds an additional level of interest, that has taken off and pretty much stolen the show.

It's also a superficiality that has reduced the integrity of the subject matter to a fetish. Myself? I am an artist, I take a long time to paint a picture but every time I do so with the intent to legitimize and humanize the fictional fantasy characters in a way that is relateable, real and based off a very "human" connection. Things like Starfox, Disney movies, they are simply adopted by Furries because they relate to them in such a way that alleviates the frustration in only being "so close" to something they can't ever realize. It's this reason that the art is so instrumental in the fanbase, because it's the only window into that world they have.

Is this a bit off topic? ...Little bit. But I need something to say other than "No Starfox didn't invent furries."

#21 Posted by LiquidSwords (2738 posts) -

@Fuzzles said:

As someone you could actually call a Furry, I think I'm a much better person to consult on this topic than people who learned its definition from a youtube comment. Starfox is popular with furries for obvious reasons, you want a time period for when it was invented? Hell, you could look at Ancient Egypt and find human/animal depictions. The content of Furry interest has always been there as imagination has always been there. Your issue, in fact, almost everyone's issue with Furries is the culture based around it which attracts sexual deviancy for reasons I don't know how to explain, but that's the way it is. But that is a criticism you can only level at some of the people involved, you can't proxy guilt onto the imaginary concept of human/animals. You might find that Furries exist in its popularity as they are an advanced take on the expression of individual personality. Everyone at some point has considered the animal they would be if they could be one and that questions is asked because it defines you in a way you like. We adopt animal imagery because it's the artistic interpretation of who we really are. Like a badge. It's that expressive quality that makes the Furry culture art driven. If a Furry isn't an artist then for damn sure they are getting art made for them. As this is a representation of ourselves, sexuality seeps in and takes form in the art as sex is also emphasized by relation to animals. Horses anyone? Shags like a minx? Rabbits? As porn is very popular and adds an additional level of interest, that has taken off and pretty much stolen the show.

It's also a superficiality that has reduced the integrity of the subject matter to a fetish. Myself? I am an artist, I take a long time to paint a picture but every time I do so with the intent to legitimize and humanize the fictional fantasy characters in a way that is relateable, real and based off a very "human" connection. Things like Starfox, Disney movies, they are simply adopted by Furries because they relate to them in such a way that alleviates the frustration in only being "so close" to something they can't ever realize. It's this reason that the art is so instrumental in the fanbase, because it's the only window into that world they have.

#22 Posted by Fuzzles (10 posts) -

Oh you and your references of cheap day time TV parody photoshopped into an image to zing me with it's relevance in response.

#23 Posted by MEATBALL (3504 posts) -

@TwoLines said:

@AcidBrandon18 said:

All I'm saying is that I think furries exist because of Star Fox and since I'm a fan of Star Fox I think I should apologize for the existence of furries.

I'm not crossing your bridge, troll. I'm not paying you the troll toll.

But you have to pay the troll toll to get into this boy's hole.

#24 Edited by _Zombie_ (1462 posts) -

Bad troll, BAD! Back under the bridge with you!

#25 Posted by artgarcrunkle (970 posts) -

As someone with a lot of body hair who will sometimes bang down through a hole in his clothes....wait did that guy really just post like 500 words about furry stuff?

#26 Posted by Fuzzles (10 posts) -

@artgarcrunkle:

Did you count how many words? Because that's quite the effort itself.

#27 Posted by artgarcrunkle (970 posts) -

@Fuzzles: Is your hug box lined with fox fur?

#28 Posted by Fuzzles (10 posts) -

@artgarcrunkle:

I'm not familiar with your hip young person lingo.

#29 Posted by Nugget (28 posts) -

Adults dressing up as furrie animals and adults watching my little pony, It's all the same... I have more respect for some adult buying half naked anime dolls. Atleast the friggin Otaku isnt stuck in some perverted childhood fantasy...

#30 Posted by Hunter5024 (5980 posts) -

@MariachiMacabre said:

@ddensel said:

Dude! Stanley Kubrick and/or Stephen King must have really liked Star Fox.

I finally understand The Shining. Everything makes sense now.

#31 Posted by Fuzzles (10 posts) -

@Nugget:

Those are fursuiters, its a convention thing in every way like an anime convention only centered around the attending persons creative works and not other peoples works that people are fans of. When did My Little Pony become synonymous or standard viewing material to be a fan of anthropomorphic animals? I hope you don't like Disney movies you sick bastard. Your lamest attempt at driving the hate bus is your belief its inherently a sex thing. What on earth about furries could be construed as a childhood fantasy? Were you raised in Old McDonalds freaked up barn? How is the Otaku not stuck in a perverted fantasy and "the furry" is? I think anime/hentai is far more the parallel to kids looking up a girls skirt than furries are to a kids getting "confused feelings" while watching The Lion King. I have more respect for the Furries and the Otaku than the guy who shamelessly takes up the cause of hitting the internets punching bag simply because he believes it wont punch back.

#32 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4897 posts) -

@Fuzzles: the difference between beasts of myth and furries is that the beasts of myth were allegory and visual short-hand for psychological behaviour.

Furries... I'll put it as simply as I can. I've never met a furry who was comfortable in his/her own skin. I've found that the attraction to these fantasy depictions of anthropomorphic beasts is an extension of their own wish to disconnect from reality and embrace an idealized, fantastic version of themselves. For most people, this is normal. Every person has an idealized version of themselves kicking around the noggin' somewhere. What is strange, I think, is that furries think of themselves as animals first, and a person second. It's not a simple power fantasy, like say a young boy dreams of being a superhero. This is something with much deeper roots.

I find the idea of furry psychology to be a fascinating topic. I wish real studies would be done in this area, because I am curious to know just what makes someone wish to stop being a person and start being an animal. To the extent that they dress up as animals and indulge in animal or 'pack' behaviour in specific furry-themed parties also warrants investigation. Maybe you could shed some light on this?

#33 Edited by Fuzzles (10 posts) -

@Oldirtybearon said:

@Fuzzles: the difference between beasts of myth and furries is that the beasts of myth were allegory and visual short-hand for psychological behaviour.

Furries... I'll put it as simply as I can. I've never met a furry who was comfortable in his/her own skin. I've found that the attraction to these fantasy depictions of anthropomorphic beasts is an extension of their own wish to disconnect from reality and embrace an idealized, fantastic version of themselves. For most people, this is normal. Every person has an idealized version of themselves kicking around the noggin' somewhere. What is strange, I think, is that furries think of themselves as animals first, and a person second. It's not a simple power fantasy, like say a young boy dreams of being a superhero. This is something with much deeper roots.

I find the idea of furry psychology to be a fascinating topic. I wish real studies would be done in this area, because I am curious to know just what makes someone wish to stop being a person and start being an animal. To the extent that they dress up as animals and indulge in animal or 'pack' behaviour in specific furry-themed parties also warrants investigation. Maybe you could shed some light on this?

Well this isn't true. I spend a lot of time in the Furry arena and the animal aspect is always a supplemental depiction of who they are as a person. The animal is emphasized to express their personality. Like a ferret is really hyper and bouncy or a lion is really strong and fierce. It's those general personality quirks that are summed up perfectly in a little box they can adopt and call their own. It's probably true there is a great deal of social dysfunction or the odd man out back stories that contribute to allure of the Furry culture...I mean you will undoubtedly find it is largely homosexual so that itself shows you that it's spiderweb seems selective. Now I don't dress up in suits, I don't draw porn, I am quite literally the total opposite of the furry culture majority and I like who I am. What furry persona's serve as are simply the expression of ourselves. Sure the artistic depictions are idealized, you will probably find their "fursonas" are far more physically fit than themselves, but I think that has a great deal to do with art in general as people don't often like to depict unpleasant charactaristics...like being overweight. Then again, there is a TON of furry art centered around the idea of being fat. Lets say that the fetishes run deep in the sub categories of Furry pornography.

Furries are pretty much presented on the pleasant qualities we associate with animals. We take all the things we think are cute, cool, expressive, aesthetically pleasing and adorn the human body with them effectively making the ultimate creature. I think this is partially a feeling from artists who feel that human anatomy is beautiful but it's also kind of plain...and boring. People get this idea that its all about the animal, but it's not, it's what that animal represents and how the combination of human and animal just looks so friggen awesome. I wont stand here and tell you the culture that adopted furries is normal, I think there is plenty of weird and much to common deviancy throughout...but that's not the definition of a furry or any person within. It's not a sex thing, it's not a crazy thing, it's barely an off shoot from being an anime fan. It is just a bit tiresome of people simply seeing a furry character and being instantly sickened by what is nothing more than their inappropriate relation of the image to an act.

Also this right here created more furries than starfox ever did...

#34 Posted by ShadowConqueror (3089 posts) -

Do a barrel roll! On my dick!

#35 Posted by Nugget (28 posts) -

@Fuzzles said:

@Nugget:

Those are fursuiters, its a convention thing in every way like an anime convention only centered around the attending persons creative works and not other peoples works that people are fans of. When did My Little Pony become synonymous or standard viewing material to be a fan of anthropomorphic animals? I hope you don't like Disney movies you sick bastard. Your lamest attempt at driving the hate bus is your belief its inherently a sex thing. What on earth about furries could be construed as a childhood fantasy? Were you raised in Old McDonalds freaked up barn? How is the Otaku not stuck in a perverted fantasy and "the furry" is? I think anime/hentai is far more the parallel to kids looking up a girls skirt than furries are to a kids getting "confused feelings" while watching The Lion King. I have more respect for the Furries and the Otaku than the guy who shamelessly takes up the cause of hitting the internets punching bag simply because he believes it wont punch back.

You talk more crap than i can handle seriously... And why am i a sick bastard. I'm not driving a hate bus if i was i would be making these posts 24/7, this is the first post i made about the subject ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE no fucking joke.

By the way i still stand by my opinion that stuff like furries and MLP and all that crap, it's just abnormality in the brain. So it's not actually preference... But i'm not waiting for you to get a sudden epiphany.

#36 Edited by AndrewB (7691 posts) -

This topic... nothing good can come of it.

Also, the response to the intelligent reply with the "cool story bro" picture kind of sums up what I feel is the mentality of the majority of the Giant Bomb community.

#37 Posted by psylah (2187 posts) -

ibtl

#38 Posted by skazombie (1 posts) -

Yes, but back then they were more centered around mice.

#39 Posted by EquitasInvictus (2030 posts) -
@AndrewB

This topic... nothing good can come of it.

Also, the response to the intelligent reply with the "cool story bro" picture kind of sums up what I feel is the mentality of the majority of the Giant Bomb community.

Actually I'd take that even further and say it exemplifies the majority of the Internet.

This has gone far off topic but I'm sure the OP at least understands now that furries go far beyond starfox.

With regards to furries -- I've never meet one in person so I won't judge or make any grossly inaccurate assumptions based on online interaction.

I can't judge for the simple fact I know I don't understand them, and I don't see how anyone can justify lack of understanding as a reason to pass judgment.
#40 Posted by AndrewB (7691 posts) -

@EquitasInvictus said:

@AndrewB

This topic... nothing good can come of it.

Also, the response to the intelligent reply with the "cool story bro" picture kind of sums up what I feel is the mentality of the majority of the Giant Bomb community.

Actually I'd take that even further and say it exemplifies the majority of the Internet.

Absolutely. But every time I get this naive notion that this corner of the internet might be a liiiitle bit different from the rest, I'm reminded how mistaken I am. I say that not because of the OP, but the majority of the responses following that.

#41 Posted by BaneFireLord (2958 posts) -

@skazombie: Dammit, beat me to it.

#42 Posted by CaptainTightPants (2834 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

Thank you, I am now laughing uncontrollably. This day is just like 10 times better now.

#43 Posted by dudeglove (8308 posts) -

People have had vile habits for centuries and will continue to do so for centuries to come.

#44 Posted by Jadeskye (4368 posts) -

@Fuzzles: Probably the most interesting comment i've heard about furries. Thank you. I certainly don't regard furries with any contempt, just perhaps some uncomfortable notions as the subject matter seems so alien to me. But then i have interests which others would find just as deviant and strange. Live and let live! =D

After all, we live in a world where some people like shaq fu, we have to all get along right? :p

#45 Posted by AlexanderSheen (5104 posts) -

@Fuzzles said:

It's not a sex thing, it's not a crazy thing, it's barely an off shoot from being an anime fan.

How do you compare a furry and an anime fan to each other?

#46 Posted by AssInAss (2747 posts) -

Clearly a troll, OP hasn't come back to his own thread.

#47 Posted by Sploder (917 posts) -

Well if you think about it furries could be the ideal combination of a person's two favourite things. I imagine the inception of furries to have gone somewhat like this; "Man, I really like chicks, and I really like chicks. Dude, what if they combined? That'd be so hot."

#48 Posted by Galiant (2195 posts) -

@AcidBrandon18 said:

I love Star Fox. 64 and Adventure are great games. He is my favorite character in Melee. It just saddens me great deal that the "Furry" community has taken such a liking to the character as well. Did they exist prior to Star Fox or did Star Fox make "Furries" a household name?

  1. Why does it matter to you, personally, what other people enjoy? It makes no sense that it should affect you, and it should not decrease your own enjoyment of Star Fox.
  2. If you think about it for more than two seconds, you'll realize that there have been people in animal suits long before Star Fox.
  3. No, before you ask, I'm not a "furry".
  4. This topic is a waste of time.
  5. Get off the fucking acid, Brandon.
#49 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3823 posts) -

Did Trolls exist before the Internet?

#50 Posted by Galiant (2195 posts) -

@Wrighteous86 said:

Did Trolls exist before the Internet?

Stupid question is stupid. You ever heard of a practical joke? Hoax? Prank?