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#1 Edited by familyphotoshoot (653 posts) -

Eliminating Bayonetta last year specifically because of its PS3 issues, while giving Skyrim GotY this year and ignoring the fact that it's COMPLETELY FUCKING BROKEN ON THE SAME PLATFORM is fucking horseshit.

I don't care how great the game is on the PC or the 360 or how expansive the content is. Skyrim is broken on the PS3 and does not even deserve to be in the Top 10.

#2 Posted by Enigma777 (6057 posts) -

I'm just surprised they picked it over Saints Row.

#3 Posted by FreakAche (2949 posts) -

Eliminating Bayonetta based on that criteria was kind of dumb in the first place.

#4 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (3019 posts) -

I don't completely disagree. It definitely shouldn't have gotten the top spot, especially since for one platform it is actually unplayable beyond a certain time/size limit. I think the difference is that Bayonetta's issue, while minor, was seen by the Giant Bomb guys, and the Skyrim issues didn't hit them directly. If any of them had been playing on the PS3, perhaps we'd have seen a different response entirely, but it seems like for the foreseeable future Bethesda will continue to get a pass on releasing broken games.

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#5 Edited by SuperSambo (2853 posts) -

I guess PS3 users can play it on the PC so they don't fully miss out, and when Skyrim gets it right it is a whole lot better than Bayonetta.

#6 Posted by TruthTellah (8529 posts) -

Eliminating Bayonetta on that basis was wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. It wouldn't have been right for them to take Skyrim out of the running due to the PS3 issue.

#7 Edited by familyphotoshoot (653 posts) -

@FreakAche:

Except it's not dumb at all. If you release a game across multiple platforms, you had better be sure that it works equally well on all of them. Had Skyrim come out only the PC or 360 in its current state, I would be totally fine with it as GOYT. But the fact is that Bethesda put out a game for the PS3 that flat-out doesn't work. It's almost 2012. That's not acceptable.

#8 Posted by Imsorrymsjackson (855 posts) -

Zzzzzzzzzzz

#9 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -

Stop being a baby.

#10 Posted by RichieJohn (525 posts) -

@TruthTellah said:

Eliminating Bayonetta on that basis was wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. It wouldn't have been right for them to take Skyrim out of the running due to the PS3 issue.

Agreed. You can't hold them to what they've done in previous years. Extreme disappointment seems pretty strong.

Didn't one of the personal lists straight up say that the PC and 360 version's were the ones on their list specifically not the PS3 version?

#11 Posted by laserbolts (5311 posts) -
@PeasantAbuse

Stop being a baby.

This. Jesus Christ I can't wait for the GOTY stuff to end.
#12 Posted by familyphotoshoot (653 posts) -

@PeasantAbuse:

Yup, expecting consistent standards sure is being a baby.

#13 Posted by RiotBananas (3600 posts) -

Imagine the galactic shitstorm if they said "Yeah Skyrim isn't allowed to win anything because it sucks on PS3" 
 
There'd be more threads complaining about that than Bayonetta that's for sure. 
 
Dry your eyes.

#14 Posted by Video_Game_King (35988 posts) -

@Enigma777 said:

I'm just surprised they picked it over Saints Row.

I'm not. Again: GOTYs are predictable as shit.

#15 Posted by DriveupLife (909 posts) -

@familyphotoshoot:

#16 Posted by MistaSparkle (2148 posts) -

My friend has Skyrim for PS3 and he's played over 200 hours with no problems at all, so he probably wouldn't be opposed to it winning GOTY. But also it's their games of the year. You can make your own video if you're so upset.

#17 Posted by Toxeia (728 posts) -

They've said specifically during the recap that it was a nomination for the PC and Xbox versions. A poor showing on the PS3 is to be expected at this point though, isn't it?

#18 Posted by TruthTellah (8529 posts) -

It should also be noted that GiantBomb did award Bayonetta:

- Winner of Best Debut

- Runner Up for Best New Character

- Runner Up for Best Ending

And it placed 11th in the Reader's Choice category.

#19 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

@SuperSambo said:

I guess PS3 users can play it on the PC so they don't fully miss out, and when Skyrim gets it right it is a whole lot better than Bayonetta.

Maybe to you.

#20 Posted by ssj4raditz (1125 posts) -

Oh well.

#21 Edited by C0V3RT (1350 posts) -

At the end of the day, does it really matter? Game of the Year means nothing. Literally, nothing. Maybe next year when Bethesda makes a GOTY edition they can put the list of sites that gave them the award on the box, but that's it.

It's not a competition. It's a feature that generates a TON of hits on a yearly basis that's a nice way of reflecting on the year in games and saying, "this is what we liked best."

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#22 Posted by Catarrhal (820 posts) -

Those of you who feel that Bayonetta had zero chance at winning its respective categories (i.e. Best Multi-Platform Game) can go ahead and "flock off." This is a matter of principle. And it hardly make senses for Ryan to make up rules about how "we don't have to talk about Bayonetta, because the PS3 version's garbage," only to ignore that same principle in light of Bethesda's established reputation.

Sure, there are worse tragedies, but someone should apologize to Kamiya-san.

#23 Posted by SerHulse (685 posts) -

I place Skyrim at the top of my list, I also played it on the 360, should I strike it off because some other people are having problems with the game that I'm not?

I had a ton of problems with Saint's Row The Third, achievements not popping, terrible pop-in and framerate issues, clipping and texture problems and numerous other bugs, suffice to say it does not appear on my Top 10, but should that affect other peoples opinion of the game? No.

People need to remember that GOTY (as well as reviews) are subjective opinions, mine are different to yours, yours to Giant Bombs, Giant Bombs to mine.

Yes, Skyrim has significant problems on the PS3, and a significant proportion of the player base suffer from them, but, their experiences are going to shape their opinions, and don't, nor should they, shape somebody else's opinion. The GB squad directly experienced (AFAIK) the problems with Bayonetta, so it shaped their opinion and they acted accordingly, none of them have suffered with the PS3 Skyrim, so it didn't influence them.

This is the beauty of an open forum though, you clearly are going to have a different list to GB, so write it out, give your reasoning, it will help you make the point you are trying to make here.

#24 Posted by dudeglove (7684 posts) -

Diddums. Shall we get mommy to bring you a bottle? Nice avatar btw.

#25 Posted by SuperSambo (2853 posts) -

@Shady said:

@SuperSambo said:

I guess PS3 users can play it on the PC so they don't fully miss out, and when Skyrim gets it right it is a whole lot better than Bayonetta.

Maybe to you.

And the GB staff.

#26 Posted by FengShuiGod (1478 posts) -

Expecting intelligence and consistency from game journalists, lol.

#27 Posted by hardindr (187 posts) -

I can remember Jeff stating in his Top 10 that he wasn't putting the PS3 version of the game on his list, only the XBOX 360 and PC version, due to the technical issues, if that makes any difference.

I've bought the PS3 version of the game, since I only have a PS3. I'm waiting for the larger patch to come out in Jan 2012 to see if that fixes the worst issues with the game. I can see why people would be upset, but that game was strong enough that it is an arguable #1, though I think Top 10 lists are dumb.

Bethesda really dropped the ball with the PS3 version. They should have released it later, after it had gone through more rounds of QA, but they probably ran the numbers and weren't willing to take the financial hit.

A better Bethesda? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaahjLSMrQ

#28 Posted by leebmx (2215 posts) -

Portal 2 should have won anyway so this thread is pointless......

#29 Posted by Catarrhal (820 posts) -

@C0V3RT said:

At the end of the day, does it really matter?

Is there a thread in this entire goddamn forum that "matters"? Hit me up with the link, bro.

#30 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

@SuperSambo said:

@Shady said:

@SuperSambo said:

I guess PS3 users can play it on the PC so they don't fully miss out, and when Skyrim gets it right it is a whole lot better than Bayonetta.

Maybe to you.

And the GB staff.

I don't give a shit what they think. The point is that that isn't a matter of fact.

#31 Posted by Seedofpower (3925 posts) -

Fuck who cares.

Arbitrary lists are arbitrary.

#32 Edited by punkxblaze (2956 posts) -

@Catarrhal said:

Those of you who feel that Bayonetta had zero chance at winning its respective categories (i.e. Best Multi-Platform Game) can go ahead and "flock off." This is a matter of principle. And it hardly make senses for Ryan to make up rules about how "we don't have to talk about Bayonetta, because the PS3 version's garbage," only to ignore that same principle in light of Bethesda's established reputation.

Sure, there are worse tragedies, but someone should apologize to Kamiya-san.

For some reason, the fact that you used the term flock off and addressed Kamiya with Japanese honorifics makes me not take you seriously at all. You are clearly a huge fan of the man, so of course you would think this is an injustice. However, I, being a huge Bethesda/Skyrim fan, think it would be an injustice if Skyrim was disregarded when two out of three platforms perform just fine and it's an excellent game.

#33 Posted by NMC2008 (1231 posts) -

I feel more weird about Bastion than anything.

#34 Posted by Addfwyn (1917 posts) -

I sorta agree. I mean, I played Skyrim on multiple platforms, so I understand why people like it. On the same token, a developer pushing a product that they KNOW doesn't work on a specific console and hoping nobody notices is really shady. It's basically selling a defective product and getting rewarded for it. I suppose you could argue that they didn't know about the issue, but that kinda implies that they had absolutely nobody on PS3 QA.

In the end, it's the staff's personal opinion, and to them the pros outweigh the cons. For me, I wanted to give the game recognition (so I put it on my list) but I couldn't justify giving it any higher than 10, for releasing a broken product that may never be fixed.

#35 Posted by AngryRedPlumber (214 posts) -

I am aware that that PS3 version is widely considered to be broken, but I have had zero issues.

#36 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

I guess by that token Dead Island is a piece of shit game since I played the Xbox version.

#37 Posted by AuthenticM (3698 posts) -

@TruthTellah said:

Eliminating Bayonetta on that basis was wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. It wouldn't have been right for them to take Skyrim out of the running due to the PS3 issue.

What this guy said.

#38 Posted by Tearhead (2152 posts) -

It's Videogame Awards for God's sake, chill the fuck out. What Giant Bomb, or any other publication deems to be the game of the year only means as much as you make it out to be.

#39 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

I just find it funny how some can let a double standard slide. I honestly don't care since it's just their take on games. They've had more asinine reasons to not like games.

#40 Posted by canucks23 (1087 posts) -

I guess they could've qualified that it's the pc/360 versions, but who gives a shit. The PC version is one of the best games to come out this year regardless of how broken other versions may or may not be.

#41 Posted by Beforet (2912 posts) -

Video games!

#42 Posted by SuperSambo (2853 posts) -

@Shady said:

@SuperSambo said:

@Shady said:

@SuperSambo said:

I guess PS3 users can play it on the PC so they don't fully miss out, and when Skyrim gets it right it is a whole lot better than Bayonetta.

Maybe to you.

And the GB staff.

I don't give a shit what they think. The point is that that isn't a matter of fact.

Well when I am talking about something like gaming, I would assume that it is obvious that it is opinion rather than fact.

#43 Posted by Jimbo (9772 posts) -

Haha, PS3.

#44 Posted by devilzrule27 (1239 posts) -

@familyphotoshoot said:

Eliminating Bayonetta last year specifically because of its PS3 issues, while giving Skyrim GotY this year and ignoring the fact that it's COMPLETELY FUCKING BROKEN ON THE SAME PLATFORM is fucking horseshit.

I don't care how great the game is on the PC or the 360 or how expansive the content is. Skyrim is broken on the PS3 and does not even deserve to be in the Top 10.

Bayonetta was a broken game on the PS3. Skyrim is broken for some on the PS3. I've been playing skyrim since release on the PS3 version and it's been perfectly fine. No slowdown, nothing.

#45 Posted by Cheesebob (1231 posts) -

I was more suprised that Mortal Kombat wasn't in the top 10.

#46 Posted by Fjordson (2448 posts) -

Eliminating Bayonetta for that was dumb, would have been bad to do it to Skyrim as well.

I'm also guessing it's because Skyrim had a legit shot at THE number one spot. At no point was Bayonetta right there up at the top.

It is a little inconsistent, but what are ya gonna do? Skyrim is the best game to come out this year and at the end of the day, these awards really aren't that big of a deal. It's not some great moral statement, it's just some games that a couple of dudes enjoyed.

#47 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

Le sigh. Bayonetta, regardless of its disqualification, did not deserve to be a goty contender anyway. You have to ask yourself a simple question. Is Goty about picking your favorite game of the year, or is it about sending a message to the gaming industry? They don't have to be mutually exclusive, but disqualifying Skyrim would have been a purely political move that had nothing to do with the quality of the actual game. PS3 users got shafted. Doesn't mean Skyrim isn't an incredible game.

#48 Posted by Saethir (353 posts) -

Personally, I'm more surprised that Alice: Madness Returns was not mentioned once during the whole thing. It is a great game that was at least worth a nomination in best art as well as overall game of the year. (I understand that it wasn't in any of their top tens, but still.) Its a great looking Platformer / Action game whose combat was smooth and satisfying. I loved the hell out of it. This however, could be my irrational love of 3d platformers, Alice in Wonderland, and creepy things.

Also, Bastion is a great game but not better than Portal 2 by any stretch of the imagination.

But again, my opinions are worth nothing when they are talking about how they feel about certain games, so I am cool with it.

#49 Posted by TentPole (1858 posts) -

@SuperSambo said:

I guess PS3 users can play it on the PC so they don't fully miss out, and when Skyrim gets it right it is a whole lot better than Bayonetta.

Bullshit.

#50 Posted by Orusaka (12 posts) -

I don't think anyone could argue realistically that Saints Row: The Third got robbed or anything, but I did the math.

I collated the 7 lists, added numerical values to the positions of the list, and added the scores.

Scores are in parenthesis. I know it probably seems like Saints Row was a lock for GOTY, but when you do the math from the lists, you see that it's actually close enough to be a complete toss-up between the top 4 games, really.

1 - Saints Row: The Third (46)

2 - Portal 2 (45)

3 - Skyrim (44)

4 - Batman: Arkham City (42)

5 - Bastion (41)

6 - L.A. Noire (36)

7 - Gears of War 3 (16)

8 - Rayman Origins (15)

9 - Uncharted 3 (14)

10 - Mortal Kombat (13)