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#51 Posted by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

@donpixel said:

@mattyftm said:

Is it really fair to judge it before anyone has had a chance to develop games for it? Everything on it at the moment are Android games updated to use the controller instead of a touch interface.

I'm not expecting it to be a particularly appealing console, but outright dismissing it at this early stage is pretty dumb.

Reviews are for the time being, they both say as it is RIGHT NOW is not worth it. They do mention the future potential but as a costumer why would you buy a product based on "potential" ?

I tend to purchase things and look forward to their potential and how they'll fit in with my lifestyle. It's the only reason why I really have a 3DS, Roku, and a few other things. I'm not going to write the Ouya off yet.

If you like to buy because of guts instead of reason its a fair posture, But then why would you care about what a review says?

Personally, I like to buy stuff that I have use for, specially with consumer electronics.. there is no scarcity of good ones. Why buy the bad ones? there is no even time to use them.

#52 Posted by OurSin_360 (834 posts) -

Seems like it's exactly what it claimed to be, if that's not what people wanted why fund it at all?

#53 Edited by casper_ (901 posts) -

i'm not sure i quite get it... at its best what is this supposed to be doing? a roku box that runs emulators?

#54 Edited by GERALTITUDE (2959 posts) -

Platform reviews are stupid.

#55 Edited by CrossTheAtlantic (1145 posts) -

@laivasse said:

"Worst of all, it makes buying things impossibly easy — you enter a credit card when first setting up your Ouya, and there are often no confirmation boxes or checks against you spending thousands of dollars. Oh, you hit Upgrade because it's right next to Play and the controller's laggy? Perfect. Thanks for your money."

This part in particular sounds nuts. Judging by the comments there are a lot of coders murmuring about how the way it works makes it uniquely ripe for exploitation.

Wow. That's pretty fucked. I wonder if someone's impatient/a young kid and hits the button multiple times will it charge multiple times?

#56 Edited by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

Platform reviews are stupid.

dismissing a good thoughtful review with plenty of arguments to support its judgement is no less stupid.

#57 Edited by 8Bit_Archer (451 posts) -

@brodehouse said:

Wait people are reviewing consoles now? What does the PC get? A 10?

They don't have to, it reviews itself! O_o

#58 Edited by awesomeusername (4154 posts) -

@wraxend said:

But they've got the exclusive television version of FF3!

No no no. It's TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE. You had it backwards.

#59 Posted by Wraxend (552 posts) -

@wraxend said:

But they've got the exclusive television version of FF3!

No no no. It's TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE. You had it backwards.

Ahh stupid me, but hey if they're locking down T.V exclusives I only see one direction for this console...

#60 Posted by awesomeusername (4154 posts) -

@wraxend said:

@awesomeusername said:

@wraxend said:

But they've got the exclusive television version of FF3!

No no no. It's TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE. You had it backwards.

Ahh stupid me, but hey if they're locking down T.V exclusives I only see one direction for this console...

Going souther then Antarctica.

#61 Posted by Wraxend (552 posts) -

@wraxend said:

@awesomeusername said:

@wraxend said:

But they've got the exclusive television version of FF3!

No no no. It's TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE. You had it backwards.

Ahh stupid me, but hey if they're locking down T.V exclusives I only see one direction for this console...

Going souther then Antarctica.

Haha well at least the WiiU will have some company now

#62 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11487 posts) -
@wraxend said:

@awesomeusername said:

@wraxend said:

But they've got the exclusive television version of FF3!

No no no. It's TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE. You had it backwards.

Ahh stupid me, but hey if they're locking down T.V exclusives I only see one direction for this console...

All the way to the top baby. Because a TV EXCLUSIVE port of a 6 year old remake of a 23 year old game is the kind of muscle the Ouya needs to be competitive in this market!

#63 Edited by awesomeusername (4154 posts) -

@wraxend said:

@awesomeusername said:

@wraxend said:

@awesomeusername said:

@wraxend said:

But they've got the exclusive television version of FF3!

No no no. It's TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE. You had it backwards.

Ahh stupid me, but hey if they're locking down T.V exclusives I only see one direction for this console...

Going souther then Antarctica.

Haha well at least the WiiU will have some company now

I forsee a battle coming to determine the king of penguins.

#64 Posted by Raven10 (1734 posts) -

The idea that anyone could make a console for that little money has always been ridiculous to me. All three major console manufacturers spend hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of half a decade or more designing their systems. They then spend hundreds of millions more making exclusive games and securing deals with software companies. Getting a Xbox/PS level console into the market will cost probably around $1 billion before a single console is sold. Over the course of a console's life cycle these companies spend upwards of $10 billion making, marketing, and developing for the system. Microsoft lost something like $5 billion on the first Xbox. They lost an additional $1 billion or so in the first couple years of the 360. They finally became profitable in 2007 or so. In the five years since they've made back the money they spent on the 360. Point is, making a true console competitor requires billions of dollars of capital that a company is able to blow on the chance that they will find success. There are really only three companies out there right now with the know how and the money to make a new console - Apple, Google, and Samsung. The latter is in a tougher spot speaking that they have much less experience making software. But those are the only three electronics companies with enough money in the bank and enough technical knowledge to do it. No small company will ever make a real dent against the big three. There is just too much money that needs to be spent to make a good system and secure enough games to make the system worth buying.

#65 Posted by ajamafalous (11863 posts) -
@mattyftm said:

Is it really fair to judge it before anyone has had a chance to develop games for it? Everything on it at the moment are Android games updated to use the controller instead of a touch interface.

I'm not expecting it to be a particularly appealing console, but outright dismissing it at this early stage is pretty dumb.

Pretty much how I feel. I think most people shitting on it are expecting it to be something it's not trying to be.

#66 Edited by ll_Exile_ll (1463 posts) -

@mattyftm said:

Is it really fair to judge it before anyone has had a chance to develop games for it? Everything on it at the moment are Android games updated to use the controller instead of a touch interface.

I'm not expecting it to be a particularly appealing console, but outright dismissing it at this early stage is pretty dumb.

Well, without knowing much about what games will be available launch, this obviously isn't the full picture, but as I understand it they are reviewing the hardware itself. The hardware is not going to change, so it's perfectly valid to review it. As someone else said, they gave the Vita an 8.5, which makes sense given what an impressive piece of tech it is. However, if you were to take the available game library of the Vita into consideration, I am guessing few people would agree with the 8.5 score, so it goes both ways.

Reviewing a piece of hardware with the game library taken into consideration would be a very tricky (and extremely subjective) process, so reviewing it purely as a piece of hardware with ever present caveat that all consoles have at launch of "the success of this machine will depend largely on the games" is about the only thing that can really be done.

#67 Posted by RecSpec (3766 posts) -

Never was interested in the Ouya (Wii emulates fine and Roku handles media fine), but exactly are people expecting this thing to do? Feels like they are setting the bar way too high for this.

#68 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

And now I finally know what this thing is.

#69 Posted by Abendlaender (2766 posts) -

Who could have predicted that? What a shock

#70 Posted by jozzy (2041 posts) -

8 Million? Microsoft and Sony spend that much on toilet paper while taking dumps between engineering their next gen console. It's pretty surprising they got a working product out the door in such a short time. I don't need one, I don't want one, but I am sure there are people where this thing will be a nice cheap alternative for.

#71 Edited by LordAndrew (14424 posts) -

As time went on, it became more and more apparent that this thing would not live up to expectations. It's an Android console without the Android ecosystem. It's not a competitor to the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. It plays mobile games on your TV.

The real bummer is that it doesn't even seem to do that very well.

#72 Posted by StarvingGamer (8028 posts) -

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Ouya doesn't come out for another two months. Who reviews a beta?

To be clear, everything listed under "bad stuff" on the Verge review is software related, not hardware, and could change by the time the system is actually released. I'm not saying it will, or is even likely to, but to put out a review (not a preview) at this juncture seems like sloppy journalism to me.

#73 Posted by GERALTITUDE (2959 posts) -

@donpixel said:

@geraltitude said:

Platform reviews are stupid.

dismissing a good thoughtful review with plenty of arguments to support its judgement is no less stupid.

Has nothing to do with how thoughtful or good the review is... They could have 2 million great points full of facts and strong arguments and good support and yadda yadda yadda don't care still think it's really stupid.

I'm not dismissing the review. I wish it never existed because it's pointlessness makes my brain hurt. If there was no number attached to the stupid review I would accept it as worth existing in some way but assigning a value to the Ouya (or Vita, or whatever) is...

*whispers*

stupid.

#74 Posted by Tackchevy (261 posts) -

This is really a matter of industry perspective. An open source console rooted strongly in the relatively new mobile / social market just doesn't make an easy comparison. Trying to review it against traditional offerings just doesn't make any sense.

I'll see how the emulators go on it. Personally, $99 for an HDMI connected interface and wireless controller is a pretty good deal compared to having to buy a smaller PC for the same purpose.

As far as larger viability and integration into the mainstream, it really just depends on the device's interface and feedback system. If it somehow has a really robust marketplace that drives commerce and allows people to find good offerings, then it'll move some units. Then again, like most puck sized media hub deals, it may just end up being useless and sucking.

#75 Posted by DonPixel (2585 posts) -

@donpixel said:

@geraltitude said:

Platform reviews are stupid.

dismissing a good thoughtful review with plenty of arguments to support its judgement is no less stupid.

Has nothing to do with how thoughtful or good the review is... They could have 2 million great points full of facts and strong arguments and good support and yadda yadda yadda don't care still think it's really stupid.

I'm not dismissing the review. I wish it never existed because it's pointlessness makes my brain hurt. If there was no number attached to the stupid review I would accept it as worth existing in some way but assigning a value to the Ouya (or Vita, or whatever) is...

*whispers*

stupid.

I like the way you back up your point with *whispers*, you sure the thoughtful kind.

#76 Posted by Cold_Wolven (2213 posts) -

So was the only appeal for this console was so you could play emulator games on it? Was playing them on a computer just unappealing to people?

#77 Posted by GERALTITUDE (2959 posts) -
#78 Edited by prapin (32 posts) -

What's most worrying about this whole ouya fiasco is that people PAY to get scammed basically.

#79 Posted by MattyFTM (14348 posts) -

@donpixel said:

@mattyftm said:

Is it really fair to judge it before anyone has had a chance to develop games for it? Everything on it at the moment are Android games updated to use the controller instead of a touch interface.

I'm not expecting it to be a particularly appealing console, but outright dismissing it at this early stage is pretty dumb.

Reviews are for the time being, they both say as it is RIGHT NOW is not worth it. They do mention the future potential for Ouya, but as a costumer why would you buy a product based on "potential" ?

Just wait and see if that potential is actually reach.

I wasn't strictly referring to the reviews, but more the general response to this thread and in the gaming community about how awful the Ouya is going to be.

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#80 Edited by Turtlebird95 (2313 posts) -

I still think it could be cool. All you hyenas need to give it time before you bash it like it's the biggest piece of shit.

#81 Posted by Subjugation (4718 posts) -

@mattyftm: Fair or not, if you don't take your launch seriously and make sure to have killer apps, why should anyone expect them magically do so later on? A weak start doesn't bode well for the future. Who will want to develop for it with such a poor start? Will it be able to stick around long enough to improve significantly? But the idea of giving a numerical score to a platform seems weird to me. Give me an editorial with your thoughts, but refrain from the numbers because that just seems strange to try to give an all encompassing score to a platform.

Honestly though, who didn't see this coming?

#82 Edited by LordAndrew (14424 posts) -

So was the only appeal for this console was so you could play emulator games on it? Was playing them on a computer just unappealing to people?

That's the only appeal for some people, but not everyone. Emulation wasn't even mentioned in the $8M Kickstarter campaign.

#83 Posted by Hailinel (23941 posts) -

Can't say I'm really surprised. It takes more to make a successful, quality console than the zeitgeist of a Kickstarter campaign.

#84 Posted by Datajack (88 posts) -

Honestly its a bit silly to be bashing on the hardware when it hasn't even hit retail yet. Hardly a proper way to review.

#85 Edited by TruthTellah (8555 posts) -

Sounds like the big problem is that it's still a beta. Which, well, it certainly seems to be. The Engadget review does a good job explaining that it has potential, if only it can refine what it's doing and improve the complete package.

Though, the free-to-play thing is still nuts, and I'm not sure how they're going to get around that.

#86 Posted by iam3green (14390 posts) -

i'm not surprised with that. usually kickstarts are horrible things that people give money to.

#87 Edited by BestUsernameEver (4825 posts) -
#88 Edited by Colourful_Hippie (4330 posts) -

@brodehouse said:

Wait people are reviewing consoles now? What does the PC get? A 10?

They don't have to, it reviews itself! O_o

I love you.

#89 Edited by Andorski (5202 posts) -

I still have no idea why people were jumping onto this console as if this would compete in the current pool of video game platforms or as if it would create a whole new paradigm for video game hardware. It's Android (a shitty OS for video games when considering the entire spectrum - e.g. actual consoles and PC - of things that people use to play games) on cheap hardware.

Other than being a viable option for old system emulation on the cheap, there is nothing redeeming about this product.

#90 Edited by ShadowConqueror (3050 posts) -

No shit.

#91 Posted by Zekhariah (697 posts) -

To be fair, it is really inappropriate to start reviewing the Ouya at this point. But performance was bound to be limited by the setup they chose - the new Tegra 4, Qualcomm 8064T and Enyxos 5 SOCs would have been much stronger for a June launch. A second one will probably afford earlier access to new hardware (assuming eventual success here) though.

#92 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

Anyone that invested in the ouya should invest in my new handheld game. All it require is a hand and a pen. And then you write stuff. And then its a story. Do itttttt

#93 Edited by VicRattlehead (1398 posts) -

im insanely confused about the ouya, a lot of people on the gaff thread and the internet as a whole say they'll use it as a cheap emulation device.... whats stopping nintendo, sony, sega or any company that's games are being emulated from suing and shutting the whole thing down?

#94 Posted by Roland_D11 (187 posts) -

@vicrattlehead: They can't, because Ouya does not officially support emulators and I don't think they will ever sell emulators in their store. But you can install any software you want, even emulators. How can a company sue about an open platform? If they could, every developer of an OS that supports software without checking (like Windows, Linux, jailbroken iOS, modded PSP, even Raspberry Pi (which is Linux)) could be sued.

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#95 Edited by LordAndrew (14424 posts) -

whats stopping nintendo, sony, sega or any company that's games are being emulated from suing and shutting the whole thing down?

Sony tried two different methods in Sony v. Connectix and Sony v. Bleem and lost both. I'm not aware of any attempt since then.

#96 Posted by Klei (1768 posts) -

What's the problem here? You get a 100$ small console that runs on Android and can be hacked/modified and can load roms. It was advertised as such, and that's what people backed it for, and that's what people are getting.

#97 Edited by MikkaQ (10268 posts) -

So it's a Roku or Apple TV with a two handed remote and a worse interface. Plus some phone games.

#98 Posted by bemusedchunk (675 posts) -

I've been dying to play Cannabalt on a TV with a controller.

/sarcasm

#99 Posted by Nictel (2380 posts) -

There are better phones out there. A way of hooking your phone and a controller up to the tv would have made more sense.

#100 Edited by dudeglove (7688 posts) -

Yeah the whole butch lesbian thing scared the shit out of me before. Thanks for reminding me.