#201 Edited by Zaccheus (1797 posts) -

There is some pretty crazy shit going on here.

#202 Posted by CastroCasper (1301 posts) -

Craig Snow

Craig is a law and politics graduate from the UK who somehow found his way into the media side of the gaming industry. As well as being a member of the Gamewise staff, he is Editor-in-Chief of gaming blog gamrReview. He lists StarCraft: Brood War, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction, Shadow of the Colossus, The Orange Box (in particular Portal), Mirror’s Edge and Race Driver: GRID as his favourite games.

About Gamewise

@Gamer_152: Remember this? He also accused Gamewise of copying Giant Bomb on his first day here. His posts also include this gem. All of those links go to gamrReview, which happens to have a Gamewise connection.

How could he have known Gamewise would be copying Giant Bomb before the site launched? Something is going on here.

What about that name, Fred Peterson? Is he a gamrReview staff member? He's not on the list. But another familiar name is: Drew Hendricks.

Drew Hendricks

Drew Hendricks is an avid gamer and writer. As well as writing for gamrReview, he currently writes for Huffington Post and National Geographic.

Woah. That is bananas. So, Hendricks writes an article because he "found a site that he thought was interesting", but also happens to have have somewhat of a connection to? To me it seems like the odds are better he knew about that site for a while then somehow never found out until he stumbled upon it. That seems unethical, or shady as shit at least. Maybe that is why after 20+ hours there isn't even a sentence on the Huff Po article saying the work might be copied.

Lordandrew, I applaud you. That's some Sherlock shit right there.

#203 Edited by Mysterysheep (365 posts) -

@mattyftm: Eventually we're going to find out that this is an ARG for some upcoming cinematic Giant Bomb conspiracy thriller.

#204 Posted by Cirdain (3099 posts) -

@mattyftm: Eventually we're going to find out that this is an ARG for some upcoming cinematic Giant Bomb conspiracy thriller.

When then leads to another ARG for Half-Life 3.

#205 Posted by Wacomole (830 posts) -

This whole thing just took a decidedly stanky turn!

@mattyftm: Eventually we're going to find out that this is an ARG for some upcoming cinematic Giant Bomb conspiracy thriller.

You're saying these are the new Quests? I'm IN!

#206 Edited by Istealdreams (153 posts) -

I posted relevant info to the huffing ton post twitter account where they had previously retweeted this article.

This has turned into some seriously messed up biz.

#207 Edited by WalkerD (462 posts) -

@moleyuk: Apply a point system to something like this and you can crowdsource private investigating.

Edit: I better be careful, those guys at Gamewise might steal my website idea.

#208 Edited by CastroCasper (1301 posts) -

@babychoochoo said:

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. THESE MOTHERFUCKERS COPIED MY FELICIA PAGE WORD FOR WORD. THERE WILL BE BLOOD.

http://gamewise.co/characters/2780/Felicia

http://www.giantbomb.com/felicia/3005-3115/

@lordandrew said:

Craig Snow

Craig is a law and politics graduate from the UK who somehow found his way into the media side of the gaming industry. As well as being a member of the Gamewise staff, he is Editor-in-Chief of gaming blog gamrReview. He lists StarCraft: Brood War, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction, Shadow of the Colossus, The Orange Box (in particular Portal), Mirror’s Edge and Race Driver: GRID as his favourite games.

About Gamewise

@Gamer_152: Remember this? He also accused Gamewise of copying Giant Bomb on his first day here. His posts also include this gem. All of those links go to gamrReview, which happens to have a Gamewise connection.

How could he have known Gamewise would be copying Giant Bomb before the site launched? Something is going on here.

What about that name, Fred Peterson? Is he a gamrReview staff member? He's not on the list. But another familiar name is: Drew Hendricks.

Drew Hendricks

Drew Hendricks is an avid gamer and writer. As well as writing for gamrReview, he currently writes for Huffington Post and National Geographic.

Ok so, I went to look at that Felicia page, right? It seems like it was already edited within the last five minutes that babychoochoo posted his comment here, but maybe I didn't look in the right spots [[EDIT: I went back to look at the gamewise page and all of babychoochoo's words are still there, word for word]]. Anyway, I noticed there was only one contribute to that specific page on gamewise: Machina.

Well a quick click to Machina's profile, and the description for the user is: "Gamewise Editor & gamrReview Editor-in-Chief"

Seems like a Craig Snow if I'd ever seen one.

#209 Edited by Fattony12000 (7518 posts) -

@the_laughing_man said:

@fattony12000 said:

@optix12: Just right click and choose inspect element (using Chrome) to read the html. It really is a sloppily made piece of shit website.

Anyway you can see if that traces back to the Giantbomb API?

Although I'm no expert (or even a person who knows anything, really), I went and searched through the 962 lines of html code for the Halo franchise page and found 19 matches for the term "api", but they were all in reference to Google and Facebook calls from what I could see (bear in mind that I really don't know what I'm looking for to be honest). What I imagine they did was rip our data into a program/application of some kind and then make a database from it, before pushing that database information to their so-called website.

Here is that code, in case anyone wants to look:

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@cirdain said:

@fattony12000: Oh wow I've never thought of that.. I'm gonna try that on a few locked down architecture sites. Cheers.

Always be right clicking.

@leebmx said:

@fattony12000: Mate, if you find they are UK based how's about me and you round up some other UKGBers and trash their offices? I have a yellow belt in Karate and can throw a brick really quite hard.

#210 Edited by BrianP (483 posts) -

@babychoochoo said:

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. THESE MOTHERFUCKERS COPIED MY FELICIA PAGE WORD FOR WORD. THERE WILL BE BLOOD.

http://gamewise.co/characters/2780/Felicia

http://www.giantbomb.com/felicia/3005-3115/

and if you look at the dude who put all the info on that page it's this person:

http://gamewise.co/users/5174/Machina

He/she is "Gamewise Editor & gamrReview Editor-in-Chief"

edit: whoops! late to the party

#211 Posted by Cirdain (3099 posts) -

@kurtdyoung: Craig Snow is probably reading this now. This has gotten as creepy as stalker appearing outside your windows when you draw the curtain.... not that I'm a celebrity or anything..... I'm not..... *runs away*

(Man, I shouldn't type when I'm tried)

#212 Edited by WalkerD (462 posts) -

@cirdain: The least he could do is say something, rather than coming off as a total scumbag. Or you know, maybe he just is a total scumbag.

#213 Edited by CircleNine (381 posts) -

Yo, plagiarism is shitty but internet detectiving is really fucking creepy, TMYK.

#214 Edited by George_Hukas (1317 posts) -

Its strange we live in a world where you guys are upset over data being scraped but accept paraphrasing and reassembling other's collective research. It's almost like you don't realize its the same thing.

It's not like we provide sources for our information here like a real wiki would.

#215 Edited by MattyFTM (14417 posts) -
@CircleNine said:

Yo, plagiarism is shitty but internet detectiving is really fucking creepy, TMYK.

Internet detectives can be really creepy. But no one has posted anyone's addresses, phone numbers or other personal information or stuff like that (and no one will do that because it's a major breach of our TOS and they'd probably be banned for doing so). They've just determined that the guy who wrote the Huffington Post article seems to be affiliated with the Gamewise. Which is super shady, and should be investigated and brought to the attention of those in a position to do something about it.

It's not going to turn into an internet lynch mob that happens on 4chan and reddit. We won't let that happen.

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#216 Posted by Nightriff (5147 posts) -

@deano546 said:

@lordandrew said:

Craig Snow

Craig is a law and politics graduate from the UK who somehow found his way into the media side of the gaming industry. As well as being a member of the Gamewise staff, he is Editor-in-Chief of gaming blog gamrReview. He lists StarCraft: Brood War, Diablo II: Lord of Destruction, Shadow of the Colossus, The Orange Box (in particular Portal), Mirror’s Edge and Race Driver: GRID as his favourite games.

About Gamewise

@Gamer_152: Remember this? He also accused Gamewise of copying Giant Bomb on his first day here. His posts also include this gem. All of those links go to gamrReview, which happens to have a Gamewise connection.

How could he have known Gamewise would be copying Giant Bomb before the site launched? Something is going on here.

What about that name, Fred Peterson? Is he a gamrReview staff member? He's not on the list. But another familiar name is: Drew Hendricks.

Drew Hendricks

Drew Hendricks is an avid gamer and writer. As well as writing for gamrReview, he currently writes for Huffington Post and National Geographic.

whaaaaaaat

Holy shit.

Going to blow this shit wide open.

MIND BLOWN, took me a sec with where you were going with this but when I finally put it together....FUCK...this is sketchy as shit

#217 Edited by NakAttack (1289 posts) -
#218 Posted by Istealdreams (153 posts) -

comment pending at Huffingtonpost: *cached got changed to cashed >.>

#219 Edited by Cirdain (3099 posts) -

@walkerd:

Lets look at this from a Devil's Advocate view. 'Cause you know, forums are for discussions.

Lets walk through the mind of the stalker/s, what traits does it have, what problems & what drives it have into committing these actions. Well lets review the evidence and make random assumptions cause' that's why I internet.

I look around Giantbomb and think about a way to earn money by copying it. I make some changes with the cosmetics like more white. I look at Destructoid and add the user editorial and article section as a main feature (which is actually quite interesting). I remove accounts and let people only connect and comment through Facebook which probably reduces a lot of cost with having your own account system. Then I realise that the site has no content for the popular stuff and the team isn't big enough to do everything themselves so something is created to copy all the information into what ever system thing that I have. Using the giantbomb api temporally in this tool that copies things I get rid of it and destroy the traces then launch the site or after the site is launched I incrementally put all the stuff in so that people actually use the site as a wiki.

I then make two bad choices:

1st is that all the information that people would want to see is constrained in a 500px wide space which actually only fits 480px space for text cause the right and left 10px bars needs to be a gradient cause of aesthetic. This tiny width makes the site bad at its function.

2nd...

"...the point that I make to people of your generation is that you can't lie to reddit. It's remarkable how many people try, but they don't understand that reddit's ability to detect bullshit is insanely high." - Gabe Newell, Valve dude

(I shouldn't write when it's passed 9pm or I should always write when it's passed 9pm.. I can't decide)

@nakattack: Post more images for the sake of archive.

EDIT:ed like 10 times cos' I can't spell or construct coherent sentences. EDIT#2: I don't know how to format. EDIT#3: I'm happy now.

#220 Posted by Voxus (342 posts) -
#221 Posted by NakAttack (1289 posts) -

Some more caps

#222 Edited by Optix12 (621 posts) -

Might be old news and not as mind blowing as the previous ones but I decided to search what the Gamewise co-founder and Gamrreview founder (VGchartz owner, as stated on that list lordandrew found) was up to and found he added an overview for "The Legend of Heroes" franchise page, but its empty now. Using trusty Google cache made me find the original still up on 15th February. I have that blurring issue because I dont want to link my facebook to them so inspecting the element I found what was underneath and while it doesn't match up to Giantbombs database, simply copypasting the first line made me find where it did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Heroes. Again im not sure if Wikipedia is kind of fine with this as theyre pretty open arent they?

#223 Edited by MattyFTM (14417 posts) -
@optix12 said:

Again im not sure if Wikipedia is kind of fine with this as theyre pretty open arent they?

Pretty sure Wikipedia is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution Sharealike license. Which, I'm pretty sure means you can copy, modify and generally do what the hell you like with it as long as you attribute the author. Naturally it doesn't seem Gamewise has done this.

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#224 Posted by joshthebear (2700 posts) -

@nakattack: I'd say that's about as blatant as can be as it references the Bombcast and Giant Bomb in general constantly.

#225 Posted by StarFoxA (5160 posts) -

@lordandrew: Oh my god. That's pretty crazy, great detective work duder.

#226 Posted by Monkeyman04 (1150 posts) -

This stuff is nuts! Lots of shady looking shit happening. I wonder though if anything is going to happen. I guess I'll just have to wait and see.

#227 Edited by KittyVonDoom (445 posts) -

Gamewise videos used to be cool, but they've been phoning it lately. And I'm not sure about that 5th staff editor they recently brought in...

#228 Posted by Winternet (8025 posts) -

This is some fucked up shit, that's what it is.

#229 Posted by Forcen (1835 posts) -

This got me thinking, all the stuff we write on giantbomb is copyrighted to CBSi right? Its not Creative Commons or something?

#230 Edited by Yummylee (22041 posts) -

Ha, those fucking guys. After looking through some caches of the site, they had copied an awful lot of stuff I've written about Resident Evil junk, too. Not surprising given all of the other evidence in this thread already, but I was amused all the same.

This is one Hell of a rabbit hole given all of the connections between huffpost, gamewise, gamrReviewer; it'll probablly all eventually be revealed that Jeff himself created the site. He just couldn't bear being kept under the oppressive thumb of CBSi any longer, so he decided to secretly port over all of our wiki's data and start a new!.. It's either that or the Russian Mafia are involved.

Anywhoo it's actually been really fun reading through all of the developments in here surrounding this fiasco. Fucking real life detective work, scummy cover-ups, and Russian Mafiosi... Trust me, they're coming.

#231 Posted by coakroach (2492 posts) -

This is ridiculous and fascinating and I wonder if CBS will take legal action.

#232 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@forcen said:

This got me thinking, all the stuff we write on giantbomb is copyrighted to CBSi right? Its not Creative Commons or something?

The old help page said it was licensed as CC-BY-NC. But that still means they have to attribute and not use commercially. They're not attributing and they're using it commercially. That's two strikes. And if they're using the API, they're violating its terms too. Three strikes, Gamewise is out.

#233 Posted by punkxblaze (2990 posts) -

LET'S GO FUCK 'EM UP. WHO WANTS TO RIDE WITH ME. I'M DOWN TO DIE ANY TIME, ANY PLACE, MOTHERFUCKER. LEAVE 'EM IN A DITCH. BLAT BLAT.

Seriously though I hope they get their shit wrecked. From a legal standpoint I mean. Copyright and all that.

#234 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Huffing dude has had his 24 hours. No edits.

Can snide tell us anything or is it all legal hush hush?

#235 Posted by Winternet (8025 posts) -

Someone get a hold of Chris with the white car and let's crack some skulls.

#236 Posted by AlexanderSheen (5036 posts) -

"I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill 'em all!"

#237 Posted by SexyToad (2760 posts) -

If anyone does find more pages, I recommend not saying it out loud, upload a screen shot on a separate site, and send it to snide.

#238 Edited by Jams (2962 posts) -

Someone get a hold of Chris with the white car and let's crack some skulls.

Don't ever shoplift at Walmart dude!

#239 Edited by Cirdain (3099 posts) -

@sexytoad said:

If anyone does find more pages, I recommend not saying it out loud, upload a screen shot on a separate site, and send it to snide.

wise + sexy = sexytoad

#240 Posted by Scooper (7881 posts) -

This is the best thread this website's had in years! Keep up the sleuthing, ladies and gents!

#241 Posted by jakob187 (21691 posts) -

Someone get a hold of Chris with the white car and let's crack some skulls.

This man has the right idea.

Also, they stole my Yasumi Matsuno page...and they weren't even considerate enough to copypasta over his genius face. Those motherfuckers.

#242 Edited by Ghostiet (5289 posts) -
#243 Posted by SexyToad (2760 posts) -

@jakob187 WHAT DID I JUST SAY!

#244 Edited by Winternet (8025 posts) -

One question: it is already established that it's the site itself who is pulling the data from GB and not some guy who is copy/paste-ing this shit, right? I mean, just like @jakob187: exemplified, there is 0 contributors to that page and yet it's filled with content. It must be a code built-in that is doing this, right? If this is the case, then it's some serious stuff. Not cool at all.

#245 Edited by Akyho (1677 posts) -

@ben_h: When people were saying about obscure pages, I thought "Sid Meiers Sim Golf would be one" Went and while it is not your info...it is this. It dosnt seem very enlightened on the basics which learning from you...there is at-least one major error. they are both Simgolf....not one being Sim Golf. The none Sid golf...has Bella Goth from "THE" Sims as a character.

SimGolf is a simulation game developed by Maxis Software and released on Microsoft Windows.

Sid Meier's SimGolf is a simulation game developed by Firaxis, Maxis and released on Microsoft Windows.

#246 Posted by Monkeyman04 (1150 posts) -

@jakob187: Yeah duder, SexyToad just said this "If anyone does find more pages, I recommend not saying it out loud, upload a screen shot on a separate site, and send it to snide."

#247 Edited by cloudymusic (1159 posts) -

Man, this is some pretty messed up shit.

#248 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7099 posts) -

I just called him out on twitter for his undisclosed affiliation with the site that he straight up lied about in this thread. Doubt it'll go anywhere but if enough people bring attention to his clear breach of journalistic integrity, something is bound to happen. Maybe.

#249 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
#250 Edited by Bigandtasty (3203 posts) -

Oh, the "user-submitted content" defense again.

Edit: Gamewise apparently does not think my Gears Judgment wiki content is good enough for them. I'm crushed.