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#51 Edited by Brodehouse (9654 posts) -

@zkillz: I think the 'X clone' method is preferable when speaking or in informal discussion, but I think the purpose here is to try and lay down some kind of firmament around the issue, specifically when it refers to games that are in either obscure or singular genres. For instance, I could agree with your method when referring to survival horror games... for too long I've heard the discrete term 'survival horror' used to reference absolutely any game that is scary, or tough, or has resource scarcity, when survival horror specifically refers to games that are clones of Resident Evil. Dead Space and FEAR and Amnesia are absolutely not survival horror games, they're a third person shooter, a first person shooter and a first person puzzle game. Amnesia gets called survival horror when in terms of genre it has more in common with Portal than it does Silent Hill or Dino Crisis. But I believe Gamer is looking for formal distinctions that can apply to new games, whereas the 'X clone' system can only apply to new games as much as they conform to older ones, or until new games that spawn new styles come along.

@gamer_152: Sorry I'm only getting back to you. Yes, your 'reaction/contemplation' or 'action/strategy' is pretty much the same framework as what I've stated; control method skill versus logic. In hindsight I could agree with adding the statistical nature of RPG in alongside them, since they are a different kind of logic than let's say adventure games or block puzzles, but a form nontheless. I will say that most games actually do not give you statistics with which you have agency. You don't get that from Mario, from Sonic, even from most Legend of Zelda games. You acquire things and they have set benefits, but you have no control over these benefits. 'Arcade' style racers simply gave you a car and said drive, but a racing game that allowed you to tune your car to any meaningful degree gives you statistics with agency. Ice Hockey for the NES is a pure action game, but NHL 97 is an action RPG.

#52 Posted by Lazyaza (2169 posts) -

I describe games based on their primary mechanics and features. Bioshock Infinite while being quite adventurous and having magical hand powers is still to me, "a shooter". When the most common form of action you are performing in a game is X then you should refer to it as X imo. I don't think its reductive, its just a quick and easy way of describing what something is for me.

Because the word shooter carries with it the expectation of inflicting violence with guns I wouldn't describe a game like Portal as a shooter despite the fact its primary mechanic involves shooting. It's a puzzle game because most of your time in it is spent solving puzzles.

#53 Posted by Trylks (828 posts) -

I remember back in 2004 when the guys at Google found a new way to classify e-mails, by using tags instead of categories (folders).

Tags had been a while around and they are definitively here to stay. Why not simply using tags?

Let a folksonomy emerge!

#54 Posted by Dan_CiTi (3190 posts) -

That genre wheel is a nightmare, and generally I don't agree. @zkillz has the right idea.

@ramone said:

I just don't think genre-fying everything is important at all. For example I hate how dumb the metal music scene has got with the fucking myriad of sub-genres.

I wonder what the Sludge Metal of games is.

#55 Posted by TheManWithNoPlan (5286 posts) -

(Jeff/Hippie voice) Labels are just another way for society and THE MAN to bring you down brother.

#56 Edited by tydigame (85 posts) -

There are interesting attempts to deal with genre in music, here are a couple:

Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music is a little out of date, but cool.

This paper takes a whole different approach to genre, and tries to look at how the ways that groups of people who create music form subcultures.

Both of these are examples of people trying to provide justifications for varying divisions among a set of complex cultural artifacts.

#57 Posted by Parkingtigers (172 posts) -

I never knew autism could be shown in chart form.