Giant Bomb IRC Chatroom has moved to a new server.

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#1  Edited By Hulk

The Giant Bomb IRC channel has officially moved to #GiantBomb on irc.DeltaAnime.net .

 For Chatzilla users that is  irc://irc.deltaanime.net/giantbomb

We have switched over to a new server so that users will be able to properly register their nicknames on the server.  On the old server there were far too many cases of users switching to the name of another user and attempting to impersonate them.  On the new server this should no longer be a problem.  As long as you register your nickname.

Doing this is very simple.  Once you connect to the server you will choose a nickname by typing

/nick (your desired name)
Example: /nick JackThompson

/msg nickserv register (your password here) (your email address here)
Example: /msg nickserv register rockstarlove JackThompson@Disbarred.com

Now the name has been registered with whatever password you chose In the example above the password was "rockstarlove".  So in the future when connecting to the server you will have to "identify" whenever using that name, which is essentially the IRC form of logging in.  To do this you type.

/msg nickserv identify (password)
Example: /msg nickserv identify rockstarlove

If you do not identify (login) to the name within 60 seconds your name will be changed.  This is to prevent other users from using the registered names of others in an attempt to impersonate them. 

We are encouraging all regular users to register their names, although it is not a requirement to use the chatroom.  However if you do not register your name do not complain if someone else begins to use your name to make fun of you, you have been given sufficient notice and instructions on how to prevent this.

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#2  Edited By Clean

idk know how to use that...

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#3  Edited By Jayge_

For those looking for an mIRC guide as to how to automatically log in every time:

  1. Go to File, then click Select Server.
  2. Click "Options" under "Connect"
  3. Click the "Perform" button in Options.
  4. Make sure you check off the "Perform on Connect" checkbox so that it is selected.
  5. Make sure it says "all networks" in the Networks dropdown (this should be default)
  6. In the "Perform Commands" box, type in
    /msg nickserv identify (password)
  7. Click "OK"
You may want to test that out to be sure, but it should work to automatically identify you when you join the server.

Edit: And to have yourself automatically join GiantBomb when you join the server, add "/join #GiantBomb" right below the identify command before you click OK. Or just go back and add it if you already clicked OK.
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#4  Edited By brukaoru

New server, w00t!

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#5  Edited By Absurd

Cool Stuff, Im already registered

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#6  Edited By Kevin

Hey, thanks for the info hulk.

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#7  Edited By Hulk
Clean said:
"idk know how to use that..."
Here are two blogs with fairly detailed directions on how to use IRC.  Only instead of using the irc.gamesurge.net server (the old server), you use irc.DeltaAnime.net (the new server)

For mIRC:  http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/Jax/giant-bomb-irc/30-2013/
For Chatzilla: http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/Kevin/irc-noobs/30-9882/

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#8  Edited By ManMadeGod

And what is the point of this chat room?

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#9  Edited By Jayge_
ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Come in, chill out, talk to fellow GiantBomb members, insult BoG and Hamz, the resident mods with no power (we love those guys <3), organize impromptu games with members, have a blast?
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#10  Edited By Karmum
ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer.
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#11  Edited By Lies
Karmum said:
"ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer."
wat
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#12  Edited By Black_Rose
Karmum said:
"ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer."
And how much you want Karmum to sign your boobies
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#13  Edited By BiggerBomb
Karmum said:
"ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer."

You're 15...
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#14  Edited By Jayge_
BiggerBomb said:
"Karmum said:
"ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer."

You're 15..."
Now you're getting it ;-)
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#15  Edited By BiggerBomb
Jayge said:
"BiggerBomb said:
"Karmum said:
"ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer."

You're 15..."
Now you're getting it ;-)"

Wait! I get it, at lasHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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#16  Edited By Karmum
BiggerBomb said:
"Karmum said:
"ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer."

You're 15..."
Yeah, I know that, but maybe sometimes they don't know that. I don't acknowledge myself as a celebrity.
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Karmum said:
"BiggerBomb said:
"Karmum said:
"ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer."

You're 15..."
Yeah, I know that, but maybe sometimes they don't know that. I don't acknowledge myself as a celebrity."
I'm 15 to! It's illegal for us to have sex with people over 18!
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#18  Edited By BiggerBomb
Karmum said:
"BiggerBomb said:
"Karmum said:
"ManMadeGod said:
"And what is the point of this chat room?"
Discuss how I'm somehow a celebrity there, make jokes about me being a freelance writer."

You're 15..."
Yeah, I know that, but maybe sometimes they don't know that. I don't acknowledge myself as a celebrity."

You aren't a celebrity...
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#19  Edited By Carlos

He isn't but I am ;3~ IRC is fun

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#20  Edited By tokyochicken
Carlos said:
"He isn't but I am ;3~ IRC is fun"
It is carlos licks you...its awesome....in a creepy not awesome sort of way
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#21  Edited By OGCartman

Cool, il be sure to check that out tom :D

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#22  Edited By Joker

IRC is ok, but there's that one idiot there, rurikar, who totally ruin's it for everyone.

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#23  Edited By Otacon
Joker said:
"IRC is ok, but there's that one idiot there, rurikar, who totally ruin's it for everyone."
Tell me about it :P
Cool will switch over later.
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#24  Edited By crunchUK

lol BUT IMPERSONASHUNZ WERE FUN!!

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#25  Edited By Jayge_
Joker said:
"IRC is ok, but there's that one idiot there, rurikar, who totally ruin's it for everyone."
I like that your post was negged, rurikar XD
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#26  Edited By kush

Now the IRC seems less appealing with a server that has "Anime" in it's name. :P

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#27  Edited By Hamz

Going to sticky this for the time being that way more people can get on the IRC and be apart of this extension to community chat and socialising etc.

For Chatzilla users you can bookmark the irc channel by putting irc://irc.deltaanime.net/giantbomb into your address bar and bookmark it as a page then when you wish to connect again you can just simply open your bookmarks and click it. Or alternatively just create a new bookmark and put that into the location / address box for the new bookmark and you can connect to it by opening your bookmarks and clicking it.

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#28  Edited By BiggerBomb
Hamz said:
"Going to sticky this for the time being that way more people can get on the IRC and be apart of this extension to community chat and socialising etc.

For Chatzilla users you can bookmark the irc channel by putting irc://irc.deltaanime.net/giantbomb into your address bar and bookmark it as a page then when you wish to connect again you can just simply open your bookmarks and click it. Or alternatively just create a new bookmark and put that into the location / address box for the new bookmark and you can connect to it by opening your bookmarks and clicking it."

Hey look, one of the mods with a soul! :D
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#29  Edited By Hamz
BiggerBomb said:
"Hey look, one of the mods with a soul! :D"
Meh i sold my soul to the the devil for the bargain price of £5....

But you'll find a lot of the Mods here on GiantBomb frequent the IRC channel and chat to users. However we don't moderate the IRC channel, its left completely up to the community who created it and its those same ones who maintain it. So feel free to drop in and have a chat to us or if you have something to report on GiantBomb you can do so by giving us a PM through the IRC :)
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#30  Edited By BiggerBomb
Hamz said:
"BiggerBomb said:
"Hey look, one of the mods with a soul! :D"
Meh i sold my soul to the the devil for the bargain price of £5....

But you'll find a lot of the Mods here on GiantBomb frequent the IRC channel and chat to users. However we don't moderate the IRC channel, its left completely up to the community who created it and its those same ones who maintain it. So feel free to drop in and have a chat to us or if you have something to report on GiantBomb you can do so by giving us a PM through the IRC :)"

You totally got ripped off, I know a guy who knows a guy who has a cousin who's illegitimate son's girlfriend's step-sister's grandmother's niece's nephew's best friend's uncle's mother's secret lover's secret lover's physical therapist's, who is also coincidentally a secret lover, Maytag repairman's accountant who got a better deal than that.

luls ur sutch a nub
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#31  Edited By Hulk

Ok Hulk is going to lay this out for the people that can't grasp this concept very clearly.

#GiantBomb is essentially an extension of the forum.  Racism and homophobia are not allowed.  If you use any words that fall under those two categories the bot is going to kick you, because there are users who will find them offensive.  The same as the forum.  If you were calling someone a "homo" every 10 posts on the forum, eventually you would get banned.

If you can't use a chatroom without the use of racist or homophobic remarks then you do not belong there.

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#32  Edited By Karmum

Even though I missed the meat of the discussion (no pun intended), it seems like the changes are justified.

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#33  Edited By Rowr
Karmum said:
"Even though I missed the meat of the discussion (no pun intended), it seems like the changes are justified."
The moderation was excessive and applied without any idea of the situation.
I dont give a flying fuck about the ridiculous censor.

Calling Disgaeamad "a fucking idiot", nullifies the the standards set as far as im concerned anyway.

So much for a "community" irc.

Hulk said:
"Ok Hulk is going to lay this out for the people that can't grasp this concept very clearly.

#GiantBomb is essentially an extension of the forum.  Racism and homophobia are not allowed.  If you use any words that fall under those two categories the bot is going to kick you, because there are users who will find them offensive.  The same as the forum.  If you were calling someone a "homo" every 10 posts on the forum, eventually you would get banned.

If you can't use a chatroom without the use of racist or homophobic remarks then you do not belong there."
The argument was never against your stupid Homosexual filter, if you would listen for a fucking second you might have got that. Though maybe your roleplay as the hulk requires being that thick.
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#34  Edited By Hulk

Hulk calls it like Hulk sees it.  If someone is completely pulling "facts" out of their ass and making condescending remarks to Hulk, Hulk reserves the right to refer to them as to what they are acting like, which in that case was "A fucking idiot."

You can't say any racial slurs regardless of their context, you can't say homophobic slurs either.  If you can't live with that then you belong in another chatroom.  Get over it. 

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#35  Edited By Foil1212
Hulk said:
"Ok Hulk is going to lay this out for the people that can't grasp this concept very clearly.

#GiantBomb is essentially an extension of the forum.  Racism and homophobia are not allowed.  If you use any words that fall under those two categories the bot is going to kick you, because there are users who will find them offensive.  The same as the forum.  If you were calling someone a "homo" every 10 posts on the forum, eventually you would get banned.

If you can't use a chatroom without the use of racist or homophobic remarks then you do not belong there."
Because there's really a word filter on the forums, right? Protect me from my words, Hulk!
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#36  Edited By Hulk
Foil1212 said:
"Hulk said:
"Ok Hulk is going to lay this out for the people that can't grasp this concept very clearly.

#GiantBomb is essentially an extension of the forum.  Racism and homophobia are not allowed.  If you use any words that fall under those two categories the bot is going to kick you, because there are users who will find them offensive.  The same as the forum.  If you were calling someone a "homo" every 10 posts on the forum, eventually you would get banned.

If you can't use a chatroom without the use of racist or homophobic remarks then you do not belong there."
Because there's really a word filter on the forums, right? Protect me from my words, Hulk!"
This was almost as funny as the first 50 times you reused it.
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#37  Edited By Foil1212

It still sends the same message, that you seem to be ignoring :)

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#38  Edited By Hulk

Hulk has no time for immature stupidity.  Do you really think you're the first little kid to bitch and moan and try to test the boundaries at any chance you see fit, regardless of how few boundaries there actually are?  You're neither funny nor clever, just extremely redundant.

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#39  Edited By Foil1212

Test the boundaries? I'm trying to break these boundaries! Why should they be there? I've seen nobody complain about them at all.  It's only you who I've seen get mad about them.  Why should we all suffer the wrath of IRC censorship? And why not "Fuck, Shit" or "Retarded" even? Retarded is technically insulting to "mentally challenged individuals." Just because you met some who don't care doesn't mean some people won't get offended by it.

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#40  Edited By Hulk

There are posts in this thread that have already addressed everything you said.  Not that you actually intend to make an attempt at reading comprehension, since this is just a weak troll job.  But Hulk is making this the final response to this troll and any further ones.

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#41  Edited By crunchUK

boo word filter 

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#42  Edited By Jayge_
CynageN said:
"It's too bad the channel turned into a virtual wall-to-wall cushioned room with optional straight jackets encouraged to complete the cycle of bullshit. Looks like I'll be keeping up with you all on the forums only unless someone decides to move away from the children's table and makes one for adults."
What are you talking about?
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#43  Edited By Karmum
CynageN said:
"It's too bad the channel turned into a virtual wall-to-wall cushioned room with optional straight jackets encouraged to complete the cycle of bullshit. Looks like I'll be keeping up with you all on the forums only unless someone decides to move away from the children's table and makes one for adults."
I guess if you don't like what is going on there now, as Hulk put it "you can get out." I guess you could make another one, which really would make no sense.
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#44  Edited By Disgaeamad
Hulk said:
"Hulk calls it like Hulk sees it.  If someone is completely pulling "facts" out of their ass and making condescending remarks to Hulk, Hulk reserves the right to refer to them as to what they are acting like, which in that case was "A fucking idiot."

You can't say any racial slurs regardless of their context, you can't say homophobic slurs either.  If you can't live with that then you belong in another chatroom.  Get over it. "
I really don't want to start this crap all over again, however, your arrogance is something that I can't stand.

I was pissed off because you accused us of using these racial slurs constantly to justify the ban, which is a complete lie. If pointing out your lies and stating what really happened makes me a "fucking idiot", then by all means, that's what I am.
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#45  Edited By chililili
Disgaeamad said:
"Hulk said:
"Hulk calls it like Hulk sees it.  If someone is completely pulling "facts" out of their ass and making condescending remarks to Hulk, Hulk reserves the right to refer to them as to what they are acting like, which in that case was "A fucking idiot."

You can't say any racial slurs regardless of their context, you can't say homophobic slurs either.  If you can't live with that then you belong in another chatroom.  Get over it. "
I really don't want to start this crap all over again, however, your arrogance is something that I can't stand.

I was pissed off because you accused us of using these racial slurs constantly to justify the ban, which is a complete lie. If pointing out your lies and stating what really happened makes me a "fucking idiot", then by all means, that's what I am."
I agree the amount not only of slurs but of actually ANY cursing was very low and when done so in a playful manner, I find it unnecesary that word filters and bans have been applied and cannot find a reasonable explanation for it. especially considering that irc chat is an extension of the giantbomb website through its community and the giantbomb website has cursing and a carefree attitude in podcasts, reviews, and forums.
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#46  Edited By Hulk

People that are un-informed probably shouldn't post on the subject matter.

Profanity is allowed.  Racist and homophobic terms are not.  If you are a racist or a homophobe then you will not like this, that's fine, Hulk is sure you will be happy on Xbox Live or a neo-nazi chatroom somewhere.

There is very little that is not allowed on the chat.  Hulk and the other ops let a million things slide every day on there.  Hulk is constantly getting PMs from people to the extent of "Wow I can't believe you're letting them get away with that."

Crying over the fact that 6 offensive words are not allowed in the chat says a lot about some of you.

Disgaeamad
said:

"Hulk said:
"Hulk calls it like Hulk sees it.  If someone is completely pulling "facts" out of their ass and making condescending remarks to Hulk, Hulk reserves the right to refer to them as to what they are acting like, which in that case was "A fucking idiot."

You can't say any racial slurs regardless of their context, you can't say homophobic slurs either.  If you can't live with that then you belong in another chatroom.  Get over it. "
I really don't want to start this crap all over again, however, your arrogance is something that I can't stand.

I was pissed off because you accused us of using these racial slurs constantly to justify the ban, which is a complete lie. If pointing out your lies and stating what really happened makes me a "fucking idiot", then by all means, that's what I am."
Hulk never once said people were constantly saying racist things.  But that doesn't mean those words shouldn't be banned.  However people do frequently call other users homophobic remarks.   So those things too are not allowed.  In instances where that type of stuff was allowed on the old channel was because ops couldn't be there 24/7 reading everything people say.  There are around 40 some odd users and there's usually only 1 or 2 ops on at any given time.  But there are plenty of instances where ops can't always be there.  So using the argument of "Oh User X got to say this and no one did anything to him!!" is irrelevant.
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#47  Edited By OGCartman

WHAT THE FUCK!
Im never on IRC for the good stuff :(

Could someone fill me in or send me a IRC chat log of what happend on IRC or something, im curious =P

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#48  Edited By Hulk
Rowr said:
"ok then, play the nazi dictator.

Thats not a community irc. Thats powertrip central.

Im out, hopefully see some of you guys if someone decides to create a real community irc.

I wont put up with being banned while simply recounting previous events to others."
lol.  Completely nonsensical post without a single fact.

Good job finding an excuse to "rebel against the Man" on the internet.

To the whole two of you bigots that keep threatening to leave the IRC or whatever, please do so.   But don't continue to bog this thread down with the unwarranted complaining.
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#49  Edited By AaronBelfast

Why the fuck is the channel down? I just want to chat with a few of the other guys, not this bullshit.

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#50  Edited By Hulk
AaronBelfast said:
"Why the fuck is the channel down? I just want to chat with a few of the other guys, not this bullshit."
You could always try reading the first post in this thread, or reading the topic in the old channel...