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Posted by mracoon (4914 posts) 5 months, 8 days ago

GotG Round 1: The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings vs. Deus Ex: Human Revolution (655 votes)

The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings 65%
Deus Ex: Human Revolution 35%

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I think Geralt would look pretty snazzy in black and gold.

The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings (2011)

What the community has to say:

And that persistent quality exerts itself throughout The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings. Its story isn’t afraid to delve into an often bewildering world of complex politics, but at its core it’s a character tale. Backed by superb fantasy writing and a fantastic sense of moral ambiguity seeped into the choices you make and the ramifications they have on the world and the narrative. It’s a smart, refreshingly dark take on RPGs, complemented by action-oriented and tactical combat with a surprising amount of depth. It has its flaws but they’re only minor in what is a landmark title and a series we can only hope will long continue.

From user review by @electricboogaloo

Deus Ex: Human Revolution (2011)

What the community has to say:

In the end, I couldn't be happier with Deus Ex: Human Revolution as a product and experience. Narratively speaking, it covers a lot of tropes that I enjoy and the game got its hooks into me right from the beginning and there is much to enjoy here despite not having played the original game. I appreciate Deus Ex for rolling with my constant switching from action to stealth and I always make it a point to sneak up behind guys and launch a non-lethal kill move because the animation is pretty awesome. This game comes highly recommended.

From user review by @librariangmr

Voting closes at midnight GMT / 4pm PST Tuesday.

#1 Posted by Demoskinos (13869 posts) -

Can't fault people for voting Witcher but... I had more of an attachment to Deus Ex even if the endings were awful.

#2 Posted by Canteu (2814 posts) -

Deus Ex: HR was really good, but the Witcher 2 was amazing.

#3 Posted by beard_of_zeus (1619 posts) -

I quite liked both of these games, but I have far fonder memories of Witcher 2. And now that I'm breaking it down, I feel like I basically liked every individual aspect in Witcher 2 just a tad bit more (except for maybe the overall aesthetic - fantasy RPG stuff is a little played out in comparison to the number of games that go the cyberpunk route).

In Witcher 2, the choices had more effect on the world/story and more interesting grey areas to consider. Geralt is a more interesting and fleshed out character than Jensen. The combat is far more engaging, and I liked the planning/tactical aspect of it.

#4 Posted by Milkman (16228 posts) -

I've only played a little Witcher and that was enough for it to be clear to me that it's the "better" game but I REALLY liked Deus Ex...

#5 Edited by Three0neFive (2275 posts) -

TW2, without a doubt. CDPR could bomb an orphanage and they'd still be the best, most down to earth developers this generation.

Even divorcing it from all that and looking at it solely based on its own merits, the moral choice aspect of TW2 is leagues ahead of anything else. My friend and I played through it around the same time and every time we'd try to talk about it we'd either have completely different experiences to share or were able to shed some insight onto aspects and events that weren't as readily apparent on the other person's path.

#6 Edited by MooseyMcMan (9758 posts) -

The Witcher 2 is a "better" game, and I know it's going to win, but my heart is with Deus Ex.

"I never asked for this."

Also, to the people saying that The Witcher 2 did moral choice stuff better than Deus Ex, I think you need to go look at the true master of moral choice in games.

#7 Posted by SlashDance (1758 posts) -

Human Revolution might be my favorite game of the generation, but that may be because Deus Ex 1 happens to be one of my favorite games of all time, and I thought HR did an amazing job at capturing what made the original so great at the time.

I wasn't in love with The Witcher 2 past the amazing first act, but it certainly is pretty great, too.

#8 Posted by onyxghost (276 posts) -

I went back for Witcher 1 and I read the Witcher Last Wish because the Witcher 2 was that damn good.

#9 Edited by BeachThunder (11265 posts) -

Never played Witcher 2 (don't have much interest in doing so), but I really enjoyed Deus Ex: HR - I really got into that game big time.

#10 Posted by L33T_HAXOR (183 posts) -

Its a really hard choice for sure....

#11 Edited by TheManWithNoPlan (4445 posts) -

Man, these poll are getting tougher and tougher for me. I went with witcher 2 though.

#12 Edited by HatKing (5567 posts) -

You're fucking killing me with this one. I never finished Witcher 2, so I guess Deus Ex by default. It also surprised me more. But, man, those boss fights. I'd go either way on this one. Both great fucking games.

#13 Posted by Hailinel (22712 posts) -

Witcher 2 should have gone against Dragon Age and Deus Ex should have gone against Mass Effect 2.

#14 Posted by mrfluke (4844 posts) -

Goddammit Deus Ex is losing?

ughh both games are fantastic, but i cast my vote with the losing team, deus ex human revolution.

#15 Posted by beard_of_zeus (1619 posts) -

@mooseymcman: I absolutely won't argue with you about Alpha Protocol being the best example of moral choices in games. I think that's why so many (including me) remember it fondly in spite of its other faults. That, and my favorite Nolan North performance.

#16 Posted by DrDarkStryfe (998 posts) -

Witcher 2 is good, but a tad bit overrated in my eyes. The story felt like a spoof of high fantasy, and the world exploring was a step down from a title like Dragon Age Origins.

Deus Ex was just a fun cyber themed thriller for me.

#17 Posted by Ravenlight (8033 posts) -

I played both games all the way through three times. I hated Witcher 2 by the third playthrough, but DX:HR was still interesting because of the different ways to approach each level.

#18 Edited by Hunter5024 (5173 posts) -

Played less than 3 hours of both of these games, voting for Witcher 2 anyways cause I consider this Fantasy vs Sci Fi.

#19 Posted by CornBREDX (4457 posts) -

Witcher 2, no contest.

The newest Deus Ex rang hallow for me. I couldn't even finish it.

#20 Edited by ArtisanBreads (3595 posts) -
@hunter5024 said:

Played less than 3 hours of both of these games, voting for Witcher 2 anyways cause I consider this Fantasy vs Sci Fi.

... why vote again?

@cornbredx said:

Witcher 2, no contest.

The newest Deus Ex rang hallow for me. I couldn't even finish it.

Me too and Deus Ex is my favorite game ever. The biggest issue was the environments were tiny and very bland and predictable in their design. Plus the boss fights and a story that wasn't as compelling as the first game. I always hear people love it but I don't see where they were coming from... maybe if it had been called something else, I don't know. Just not even on the first game's level in a lot of ways. The level design in particular which may be the original game's greatest strength was amateur by comparison.

As far as the story goes, Witcher 2 might have had the most entertaining one this generation. It was deep and really kept you guessing. The art is absolutely fantastic and it is technically amazing. Really great game.

#21 Edited by Hunter5024 (5173 posts) -

@hunter5024 said:

Played less than 3 hours of both of these games, voting for Witcher 2 anyways cause I consider this Fantasy vs Sci Fi.

... why vote again?

Because Fantasy must win! That being said, I enjoyed the first 3 hours of Witcher 3 a lot more than the first 3 hours of Deus Ex.

#22 Posted by MEATBALL (2786 posts) -

I voted for Deus Ex Human Revolution because I felt it was more consistent. The Witcher 2 started out pretty well, but it's second half kind of left me disappointed. I think both games are fucking fantastic.

#23 Posted by supamon (1327 posts) -

I wonder how many people have actually managed to finish both games?

#24 Posted by CornBREDX (4457 posts) -

@artisanbreads: Completely agree. I suspect, but cant prove, people who really like it didn't play the original when it was new. Just saying that because if so I can see how they'd like the new one so much.

There are elements that are as compelling as the original but they just didn't click right for me. I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old =P

#25 Posted by ArtisanBreads (3595 posts) -

@artisanbreads: Completely agree. I suspect, but cant prove, people who really like it didn't play the original when it was new. Just saying that because if so I can see how they'd like the new one so much.

There are elements that are as compelling as the original but they just didn't click right for me. I don't know, maybe I'm just getting old =P

To their credit they definitely earnestly said "Lets try to make a new Deus Ex" and all the elements were there. I just think they failed to execute on a number of them, in particular the level design. I don't know why the levels were so cramped but it really killed a lot of the exploration, multiple paths, sense of discovery... I don't know. I just remember starting to turn on the game when I went to the club and the guy wouldn't let me in and I said "Lets look in this obvious alley, there can't just be a vent in here can there?" and there was, like 5 ft away that got me right past the obstacle. Just lazy and uninspired stuff like that throughout.

#26 Posted by crithon (2581 posts) -

man this is hard

both have their points, ack

#27 Posted by me3639 (1607 posts) -

The best thing about this match up, it could actually be prelude to the next GOTG finals. Easily 2 of my most anticipated games of 2014-15.

#28 Posted by ArtisanBreads (3595 posts) -

@me3639 said:

The best thing about this match up, it could actually be prelude to the next GOTG finals. Easily 2 of my most anticipated games of 2014-15.

How good it looks early, CDProjekt might be their own competition. Don't forget Cyberpunk!

#29 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

Clunk, a lot of bad voice acting, awful ending, bad graphics vs. superb story, great voicework, incredible visuals and world building, fantastic characters, and uhm, well, the list can keep going.

I still loved Human Revolution but in comparison to The Witcher 2, well, it's like comparing the humour of Borderlands to Portal.

edit: and I'll never forgive them for putting those awful, pixelated, garbled messes of cutscenes in on the PC version. GROSS.

#30 Posted by Clonedzero (3725 posts) -

This is why i hate this stupid bracket system. Both of these games deserve to be higher up but ones going to get eliminated simply because of poor bracket design.

This whole thing feels like a bad gamefaqs poll.

#31 Posted by Disaya (262 posts) -

Unfortunately I still haven't played any of the Witcher games, so I'm gonna have to go with Deus Ex for this one because it was still a pretty good game.

#32 Posted by OneKillWonder_ (1594 posts) -

It's gotta be Deus Ex. There aren't nearly enough cyberpunk games, so Human Revolution was a breath a fresh air, and at the same time remained pretty faithful to the original, which is an all=time favorite of mine. I loved being in the world. Everything about it just looked awesome and had tons of great little detail crammed into it that made it feel alive and realized, even if the environments you were exploring weren't necessarily huge. The story was intriguing and went to some interesting places, too. The gameplay was solid enough but the world and atmosphere are what really make it. Plus the soundtrack is incredible. I would easily consider this one of my top 5 games of this gen.

As for The Witcher 2, I hate myself for never finishing it. I played most of the game, got well into the final act in fact, but then I think that's when Bioshock Infinite came out and I quit playing and haven't gone back since. I doubt I will since it's been so long. But I loved what I played, way more than I had anticipated. I kind of forced myself to start playing. I picked it up from GameStop for $10 from their Cyber Monday deal last year because "why the hell not?". I hadn't played the first game and was only slightly interested in seeing what the second was all about, but I had it sitting around for awhile and felt bad for not playing it. It really is a fantastic game, though like Deus Ex, not without its faults. I just think cyberpunk is inherently more interesting than yet another high fantasy RPG.

#33 Posted by JohnTunoku (89 posts) -

I've yet to finish either of these, but Adam Jensen's raspy batman voice compels me to go with The Witcher 2.

#34 Edited by L33T_HAXOR (183 posts) -

This was a tough one, but I ultimately had to go with the Witcher. The boss fights in Deus Ex were just kind of broken and while I haven't finished Witcher yet, there hasn't been any major flaws along those lines 2/3 through.

#35 Posted by armaan8014 (5254 posts) -

WITCHAAAA!!! Woohoo!

Would vote for Witcher1 but since that isn't there W2 is just as worthy <3

#36 Posted by TowerSixteen (538 posts) -

This is why i hate this stupid bracket system. Both of these games deserve to be higher up but ones going to get eliminated simply because of poor bracket design.

This whole thing feels like a bad gamefaqs poll.

If people aren't complaining about this, they're complaining that a strong contender goes against a weaker contender and slaughters them. I think people just don't like seeing games they like eliminated (though I'm more of your mind, that it makes more sense to wipe out the weaker contestants earlier- still, as noones competing for second I don't see that it REALLY matters).

#37 Posted by VeggiesBro (113 posts) -

Tough call for me. But I voted Deus Ex as I absolutely love the world.

#38 Edited by SirOptimusPrime (1855 posts) -

This was almost a tough call, but then I remembered how much I love The Witcher universe. Even if robo-Jensen is fun to use as a procedural fridge-thrower, I gotta give it to Geralt.

Every goddamn time.

#39 Posted by GERALTITUDE (2812 posts) -

No contest, the Witcher eats Deus Ex for breakfast.

#40 Edited by probablytuna (3445 posts) -

This is probably the toughest one yet for me because I loved both. However, if I have to choose, I have to go with The Witcher 2. It is an improvement of the previous game through and through with little technical flaws where as Human Revolution had some pretty noticeable screw ups like the boss battles.

#41 Edited by danm_999 (69 posts) -

The Witcher 2, given it's such a great, great RPG. Looks beautiful, interesting characters, combat that's brutal but rewarding, branching narrative and actual impactful choices.

Deus Ex is pretty great too in most areas, but the endings were some of the worst examples of putting up a shallow choice simply to advertise you've offered choice I've ever seen in a game. Plus, the boss fights made certain builds and playstyles game breaking. In an RPG, where the emphasis is supposed to be on role playing a character, then using that character's strengths to succeed, to bottleneck players into a combat focused build without prior warning is pretty much unforgiveable.

#42 Posted by Hailinel (22712 posts) -

This is probably the toughest one yet for me because I loved both. However, if I have to choose, I have to go with The Witcher 2. It is an improvement of the previous game through and through with little technical flaws where as Human Revolution had some pretty noticeable screw ups like the boss battles.

With the boss battles in mind, I wonder if people should judge it based on the original version, or on the Director's Cut that fixed them.

#43 Edited by probablytuna (3445 posts) -

@hailinel: Seeing as I haven't played the Director's Cut, I judged the version that I played. But that is an interesting point you raised.

#44 Posted by Hayt (213 posts) -

You're a sick fucker putting these two against each other. DON'T MAKE ME CHOSE

#45 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11014 posts) -

Human Revolution has a lot of heart, but playing it now after the Director's Cut stuff came out, it still has some pretty noticeable problems. The voice acting is a lot worse than I remember, for example. Also Dishonored exists and is the far better "one of those games" than Human Revolution ever was.
By all accounts, The Witcher 2 dials up everything that made the first game good and brings it into its own. I should really get back to that at some point.

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#46 Posted by The_Vein (248 posts) -

I think the only way you can vote for HR over the Witcher is by disliking fantasy, liking cyberpunk, or not having played all of both games. HR is a really good game with some flaws, but Witcher 2 is a great game from head to toe--the only criticisms I could think to level at it might be how difficult the combat is, but that just makes it all the more rewarding when you get the hang of it. Some people didn't like the end, but I felt the last boss had a whole lot more emotion and power behind it than HR's A B or C choice.

#47 Posted by Gatehouse (483 posts) -

Deus Ex had multiple boss fights I hated, The Witcher only had one. Therefore, Geralt emerges as the victor.

#48 Posted by Humanity (7957 posts) -

As much as I think Witcher 2 is a phenomenal game, I think DE:HR is put together just a tad bit better. Some parts of Witcher 2 are really not explained very well and the first area tends to drag a bit at times. The pacing is a bit better in Human Revolution.

#49 Posted by dr_mantas (1691 posts) -

Well fuck, this is a tough one, at least for me.

#50 Posted by Mezmero (1645 posts) -

This was a super easy choice. I've played both games on Xbox360 and only finished Witcher 2. I love the aesthetic of Deus Ex but it was so boring in the early game. Without having played the first Witcher the sequel is a fantastic representation of that universe as a video game.