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Posted by mracoon (4971 posts) 10 months, 1 day ago

Poll: GotG Round 2: Batman: Arkham Asylum vs. Braid (727 votes)

Batman: Arkham Asylum 76%
Braid 25%

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This is out of order because I can't read and skipped over it in the last set of polls. Anyway, I have an an important question: has Batman ever fought a villain who can reverse time?

Batman: Arkham Asylum (2009)

Braid (2008)

Voting closes at midnight GMT / 4am PST.

#1 Posted by ShadowConqueror (3051 posts) -

I'm Batman.

#2 Edited by Bulby33 (590 posts) -

I loved Braid a whole lot, but Batman gets my vote.

#3 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
#4 Edited by SarcasticMudcrab (183 posts) -

Didn't like either really but I much prefer what braid was doing, very smart, unlike batman which has terrible combat.

#5 Posted by Vanick (331 posts) -

Arkham Asylum gets my vote.

#6 Posted by BeachThunder (11929 posts) -

Always Braid.

#7 Posted by Hailinel (24731 posts) -

A vote for Batman is a vote for justice.

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#8 Posted by CaLe (3983 posts) -

I would like to Braid Batman's hair.

#9 Posted by NekuSakuraba (7241 posts) -

Arkham Asylum easily, Braid was pretty alright but Batman? Fuck, it pretty much changed third person melee combat alone (and for the better of course).

#10 Edited by TheManWithNoPlan (5479 posts) -

Few things win against The Batman in my book.

#11 Posted by LackingSaint (1812 posts) -

If you get a lot of satisfaction from smacking your head against a wall until you figure out a solution to a very clever puzzle, then Braid's the game for you. But as somebody who likes to be able to move forward in their games, Batman just takes it for me.

#12 Edited by BRich (436 posts) -

This is horseshit.

#13 Posted by ArtelinaRose (1851 posts) -

Didn't like either really but I much prefer what braid was doing, very smart, unlike batman which has terrible combat.

what

WHAT

#14 Edited by GERALTITUDE (3310 posts) -

@sarcasticmudcrab said:

Didn't like either really but I much prefer what braid was doing, very smart, unlike batman which has terrible combat.

what

WHAT

WHAT

#15 Posted by SarcasticMudcrab (183 posts) -

@geraltitude: think I just got burnt out by quicktime events after a 15 hour shenmue 2 session.

#16 Posted by Veektarius (4820 posts) -

@sarcasticmudcrab: It's not a QTE if you can succeed by pressing various buttons. My god, I hate this editor.

This choice was super easy, by the way.

#17 Posted by BisonHero (6520 posts) -

I know Batman is obviously way more approachable and populist and everything, but wow, I didn't expect it to be winning by that much.

Braid was really good, you guys. Well, I'm gonna pour one out for Braid the only way I know how:

#18 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3310 posts) -

@sarcasticmudcrab: How much of the game did you really play? It's really not a QTE at all. Yes there is a dodge button, but that's the tip of the iceberg. ARGF why does it always bold like that

#19 Posted by slyspider (1226 posts) -

I didn't like braid, and I like Batman. So ez pz

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#20 Posted by SarcasticMudcrab (183 posts) -

@geraltitude: got about 5 hours in shortly after release but gave up, wasn't having much fun, then after hearing so much positivity gave it another shot, gave up after a couple of hours. I'm kinda joking but it just doesn't really feel very involved, just pressing a button to watch a shiney, especially if you compare it to something like dark souls combat or a multiplayer fps, which is what I play the most. Maybe I just didn't get far enough for it to gain some depth. I know its an unpopular opinion and most people think its the way forward, I think its the way to a more watered down, commercial place. Which is fine there is plenty of other stuff out there. The gadgets were cool, I'll give it that.

#21 Posted by crithon (3192 posts) -

so I have like 3 copies of Batman Arkham Asylum, and even though I got all the achievements I'm compelled to try it again and again and again. And I'm shocked that the Scarecrow scenes STILL WORK. Like just the little nuances of the refracted light from the smoke vents to notice when you get poisoned, and then you eventually get that monitor lock up. It's an amazing little trick that works again and again and again. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, This is 10 times better then Chris Nolan's "W Bush is a super hero" movies.

#22 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3310 posts) -

@geraltitude: got about 5 hours in shortly after release but gave up, wasn't having much fun, then after hearing so much positivity gave it another shot, gave up after a couple of hours. I'm kinda joking but it just doesn't really feel very involved, just pressing a button to watch a shiney, especially if you compare it to something like dark souls combat or a multiplayer fps, which is what I play the most. Maybe I just didn't get far enough for it to gain some depth. I know its an unpopular opinion and most people think its the way forward, I think its the way to a more watered down, commercial place. Which is fine there is plenty of other stuff out there. The gadgets were cool, I'll give it that.

I know this sounds like a cliche, but maybe play it on hard? It's brutal. I don't have great reflexes so even normal was tough for me. The later fights (hours 5-6+) get hard in my opinion, and the gadgets become both cool and necessary in a fight. I would also recommend you play Arkham City instead. It's not a better/worse kind of thing, but it picks up the pace faster, is more open, and has awesome gliding, which is a really unique mechanic. It helps when you're a huge Batman fan I guess...

Demon's Souls is one of my Top 10 of all time, but I would never compare it to Batman. It's amazing but it's super different. Calling the Batman games watered down or just commercial is pretty uncool. And wait, isn't your opinion the more popular one? Multiplayer FPS is the biggest genre in the world outside mobas. And Dark Souls is about as infamous as games get today so I don't see how preferring those games is contrarian to the popular trend.. no offense!

#23 Posted by SomeDeliCook (2341 posts) -

I voted for Batman thinking Braid said Bastion for some reason. Wish I didn't vote at all just like with Xcom vs Red Dead

#24 Posted by SarcasticMudcrab (183 posts) -

@geraltitude: heh non taken, sounds like good advice tbh although I can imagine it to get frustrating. I have been thinking about trying the 2nd one as it does look more interesting to me, kinda had my open world fill this year tho, with saints row, GTA, sleepy dogs and also making my way slowly through omikron: the nomad soul. The combat in that...is something else. I don't think the game is watered down but I do think that style of combat is a step in that direction, same as assassins creed, I mean why are all these dudes just standing there waiting to get punched while I beat up their mate, it just seems silly to me.

#25 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3310 posts) -

@sarcasticmudcrab: I've always justified it as "maybe they're afraid to miss batman and hit their fellow criminal", but, yeah... I'm jealous though. I want to play Omikron.

#26 Posted by audioBusting (1535 posts) -

Batman's okay, but Braid has some of the best puzzles of the generation.

#27 Edited by yinstarrunner (1198 posts) -

Hard choice. Batman stoked a revolution of brawling mechanics, and a lot of games are still ripping off its systems to this day.

The other one, Braid, seems much more generic. But only because it also sparked its own revolution, one that has seen more of a heavy flow than Batman's. Braid is unremarkable now because indie puzzle platformers are already getting old, but it deserves a lot of credit for its inventive design, its ambition, and what it has done for indie gaming as a whole. The gaming landscape would look a lot different today if we never had a Braid, and so my vote must go to it.

#28 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11726 posts) -

Braid is a very smart, well made puzzle game that is also entirely up its own ass.

Batman is a licensed game that not only manages to be good, but be outstanding, and that is a rare achievement indeed.

#29 Posted by Castiel (2616 posts) -

Hahaha Braid... good one.

Batman all the way.

#30 Posted by Nightriff (5079 posts) -

Batman AA, awesome game that I like to play every year or two, holds up extremely well.

#31 Edited by RPGee (759 posts) -

Man.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

Arguably Braid is more important, but I don't think the majority of people voting still care about that, if they did at all. I'll still vote for it, since it changed the landscape of indie games quite significantly, but this is reasonable.

And Batman is pretty amazing. Important as well, but that game was so much damn fun.

#32 Posted by thomasnash (556 posts) -

I voted incorrectly because I thought it said Arkham City. Not too upset about throwing a little love Braid's way though, it was a fantastic game with a really satisfying payoff, although pretty much all the rest of the story stuff was totally unnecessary to it.

Arkham Asylum is a game that it's very difficult to find a fault with, in my opinion. As a comic book action game it manages to walk a good line between dark and serious and totally insane and stupid and silly. Super-satisfying combat and the joy of stealthily taking dudes out is a really nice combo. I also had a lot of fun completing the challenge levels. Incidentally, I can sort of see what the guy above who calls the combat too simplistic is saying, but it does become a little deeper, when you unlock some of the special moves. I think playing through all the challenge missions gives you a bit of an opportunity to see how deep you can go with it, because of having to balance the need for points with the need for survival. Also the "rhythm" elements of it can become a bit more fluid in situations with larger groups of enemies. The "B" button comes into its own a bit more...

(I voted for Braid because I thought it said Arkham City. I did like Arkham City but where Braid is unique and revelatory, Arkham City is kind of a weaker brother to Arkham Asylum. The need to add more, always more, overcomplicated the combat at a certain point for me, and the open world got a bit boring after a while. Also the story is way worse and more abrupt.)

#33 Posted by mjk0104 (205 posts) -

Braid was great, I really enjoyed it, very intelligently put together, but the main reason I play games is to have fun, and how can you get more fun than being Batman?

#34 Edited by BisonHero (6520 posts) -

@yinstarrunner said:

The other one, Braid, seems much more generic. But only because it also sparked its own revolution[...] Braid is unremarkable now because indie puzzle platformers are already getting old, but it deserves a lot of credit for its inventive design, its ambition, and what it has done for indie gaming as a whole.[...]

I know you ultimately decided on Braid in the end, so nice, but your hesitance seems crazy to me. Even with the indie puzzle platformers that have come after it, Braid doesn't seem generic or unremarkable to me. I feel like most of the followers in its wake are platforming games first where you can still die and there are hazards and enemies and the games happen to contain puzzles regularly. Braid is purely a fantastically made game of time manipulation puzzles, and you happen to move through it using platformer controls, but completely eschews the idea of player lives, checkpoints, upgrades, and most of the other aspects of platformer games.

Even in the wake of all the other indie 2D platformers that followed, I think Braid stands on its own, because I really can't think of many other indie puzzle games that I thought were as brilliantly mindbending, aside from perhaps something like Fez or Antichamber (even Portal and Portal 2 get kind of rote and predictable after a while, as they keep getting you to use portals in the same way, room after room).

#35 Posted by Fuzzy_Dunlop (200 posts) -

Arkham Asylum is a hell of a well-crafted game. Braid was great, but I think Arkham Asylum is going have a more profound impact on future video games than Braid, and it already has to some extent.
Plus, I just had so much fun kicking dudes in the face as the god damn Batman. Gotta give it to AA.

#36 Posted by TyCobb (1972 posts) -

I have lost all faith in this community after seeing the results of some of these polls.

#37 Posted by TruthTellah (9032 posts) -

@tycobb said:

I have lost all faith in this community after seeing the results of some of these polls.

To be fair, a lot of these games are seemingly incomparable in why they're good games. So, you're bound to get crazy results. It's not just people personally picking from a big pool. It's random titles being pitted against each other with no apparent logic. It's likely the tip-top most popular will reach the top, but everything else will be a muddled mess of differing opinions on what matters most to them as a gamer.

So, don't feel too bad. This was never designed to make any sense or lead to any satisfactory result. It's just something to do.

#38 Posted by leebmx (2244 posts) -

How can you even compare these games? I have lost all respect for this poll now. Its like saying which is better - Chess or American Football? People will like both of these games for entirely different reasons so it seems barmy to compare them - they have nothing in common, something which seems a pre-requisite for comparison.

#39 Edited by McGray90 (55 posts) -

I appreciate the idea of this bracket but when you get a match up like this you have to feel sorry for Braid, classifying just one game of the generation means Indie games don't stand a chance, Super Meat Boy lost to Super Mario Galaxy, and subsequently was slaughtered.

#40 Posted by Doctorchimp (4076 posts) -

@leebmx said:

How can you even compare these games? I have lost all respect for this poll now. Its like saying which is better - Chess or American Football? People will like both of these games for entirely different reasons so it seems barmy to compare them - they have nothing in common, something which seems a pre-requisite for comparison.

American Football.

Also Oranges > Apples.

#41 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -

@leebmx said:

How can you even compare these games? I have lost all respect for this poll now. Its like saying which is better - Chess or American Football? People will like both of these games for entirely different reasons so it seems barmy to compare them - they have nothing in common, something which seems a pre-requisite for comparison.

@mcgray90 said:

I appreciate the idea of this bracket but when you get a match up like this you have to feel sorry for Braid, classifying just one game of the generation means Indie games don't stand a chance, Super Meat Boy lost to Super Mario Galaxy, and subsequently was slaughtered.

It's going to get worse as the brackets move on. Strange things are afoot.

Went with Batman: AA. Didn't like Braid.

#42 Posted by Grixxel (766 posts) -

Didn't like either really but I much prefer what braid was doing, very smart, unlike batman which has terrible combat.

I don't like to judge but if you -really- didn't like either, your taste in games is shit.

#43 Posted by SarcasticMudcrab (183 posts) -

@grixxel: lol. You're opinion is wrong.

#44 Posted by Danteveli (1184 posts) -

After seeing Braid cover art I had to go with Batman

#45 Edited by CaLe (3983 posts) -

@leebmx said:

How can you even compare these games? I have lost all respect for this poll now. Its like saying which is better - Chess or American Football? People will like both of these games for entirely different reasons so it seems barmy to compare them - they have nothing in common, something which seems a pre-requisite for comparison.

The poll isn't about comparing, it's asking which one you enjoyed more. Maybe you enjoyed them both an equal amount so it's difficult for you to choose, but that's not the case for everyone. I'm well aware there are different types of enjoyment to be had from games, but at the end of the day you can still compare those feelings, even if they are different. At least I can.

#46 Edited by triviaman09 (802 posts) -

Batman is not as great as people remember. I think it has serious pacing issues throughout.

#47 Posted by TheHT (11241 posts) -

Braid was one of the earliest times I remember thinking these little downloadable games could be somethin else.

#48 Edited by Box3ru13 (703 posts) -

Braid did nothing for me, tried multiple times to get into it and just couldn't. Batman AA on the other hand is pretty fucking great. And between the Batman games and the trilogy being out around the same time. One could argue that Batman had the best run of the past five years culturally.

But still AA all the way.

#49 Edited by thomasnash (556 posts) -

@triviaman09 said:

Batman is not as great as people remember. I think it has serious pacing issues throughout.

Would you care to elaborate on what they are or are we all, collectively, meant to suddenly just remember that yes, we do think it has pacing issues?

Edit: Whoa I sound really shitty here, I apologise. It's partly because I didn't notice the "I think" in your post and that made it read worse than it does now that I look back on it. Carry on with your lives!

#50 Posted by Napstar (15 posts) -

It should've been Arkham City instead of Arkham Asylum. Better story, combat, gadgets. But as it is my vote goes to AA.