Posted by BeachThunder (12082 posts) 7 months, 10 days ago

Poll: Have you been offended by the content of a game? (496 votes)

Yes 20%
No 80%

Inspired by this thread.

And I mean offended by something that occurs in the game itself, rather than something surrounding the game (such as being offended by the developer's audacity to charge $60...)

#151 Posted by MB (12697 posts) -

I wouldn't say I have ever been offended by a game, but I do find the sexualization of very young looking girls that mainly occurs in Japanese games to be disturbing and troubling.

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#152 Edited by MonkeyKing1969 (2886 posts) -

I'm sometimes offended that developers treat adult games like games they NEED to make safe for kids and teens. I'm offended that what you can put in an R-Rated movie could not be put in an AO game and that that game would not be able to be sold in many stores.

We should be offended by the chicken shit politics and hand wringing that surrounds our games. Some game...some games...need more sex, drugs and rock-n-roll.

“If you're not offending someone in your audience, you're not doing your job..."

#153 Posted by bobafettjm (1518 posts) -

There are certainly things I have seen in media that I don't agree with or like, but I can't say I have ever been offended by any fictional piece of media.

#154 Posted by YukoAsho (2078 posts) -

@devoureroftime: That's an illegal amount of percents. Seriously, holy fucking shit, what is it with people bullying aboriginal people?

Anyway, topic.

"Offended" is a word with a huge range. I've never felt like taking to the streets and protesting over a game or anything, but often I just shake my head at games like GTA that revel in racist/sexist/homophobic stereotypes unironically, or with games like Time Killer or BMX XXX that are trying SOOOOOO hard to be controversial but only end up being stupid and puerile.

#155 Edited by cmblasko (1280 posts) -

@fredchuckdave said:

Delita not being the protagonist of Final Fantasy Tactics come[s] to mind.

If you don't think he was the protagonist then you were playing it wrong.

Why do you say that Ramza was not the protagonist of the story? He is the one who actually ends up saving the world if you take Alazlam's story at face value. Sure, Delita is the clear political winner in the end, but he would not have been able to accomplish his goals if not for Ramza.

#156 Edited by Toastburner_B (158 posts) -

I can't really think of any instances that stand out where I have been offended. Of course, I also avoid games that I think will have content that will upset / disturb / offend me...so...yeah.

#157 Posted by thomasnash (579 posts) -

I think the only thing that really comes to mind is in Modern Warfare 3, when London gets attacked and you see (play as?) the holidaying family with the little girl. It didn't offend me as such, but it did make me feel like putting the game down (I didn't, so that shows you how much conviction I had about it I guess). It was just seemed like such an obvious scene (covering the talking down to the audience thing a lot of people in this thread have complained about), but also totally unearned. It was a weird mixture of awfully mawkish and completely uninvolving, and I kind of feel that if you can't leverage tragedy, even fictional tragedy, with the proper gravitas then you shouldn't include it. Also, I'm not one of those people who thinks you shouldn't ever talk about horrible things or whatever, but it did feel uncomfortably like it was making reference to the 7/7 bombings for whatever reason (probably just because England doesn't appear in video games much) which kind of made that lack of gravity worse. Like when terrible propaganda action films reference 9/11 and it's unearned and it comes across as way more crass than if they hadn't made that reference.

Fun story that's not about me but this reminded me of: When I was younger I used to use walkthroughs a lot more than I do now, and I remember that I used one particular site for a lot of RPG Walkthroughs (I think he had done pretty complete walktrhoughs of most of the infinity engine games). I was using this guys walkthrough for Arcanum, when it got to an infamous quest involving evil gnomes kidnapping human women and having ogres rape them to produce slave labour half-ogres. There's a lot of potentially really offensive things in this quest, not least the fact that the gnomes in question are dangerously close to the eternal jew - they are a class of well-to-do middle class shopkeepers, who also literally control the capital city in a shadowy cabal. Anyway, the main reason for its infamy is that you discover this horrible plot, and then have just zero option to find and punish those responsible. It didn't bother me much, but the guy writing this walkthrough just stopped. I got to that point of the walkthrough and he just had a long paragraph basically saying "sorry guys, fuck this game, this is awful and I'm not playing it anymore or finishing this walkthrough." I think its the strongest reaction I've seen to a video game to this day.

#159 Posted by geirr (2630 posts) -

Nope.

#160 Posted by AlexanderSheen (5036 posts) -

Nope.

#161 Posted by VaddixBell (270 posts) -

Nope. I've never been offended by anything in media really.

The only thing even remotely close to it, would be I always roll my eyes to them questionable JRPGs with women stripping and stuff. I'm honestly like "Well... there's a potentially solid JRPG I'll never buy"... It's just a pointless addition. I'm not offended by it, I just think it's dumb.

#163 Edited by agentboolen (1808 posts) -

@BeachThunder: Id rather think of games as art and have an open mind when playing/viewing them.

Besides movies are just as offensive as any video game lets not put all the blame on video games.

#164 Posted by agentboolen (1808 posts) -

@BeachThunder: Id rather think of games as art and have an open mind when playing/viewing them.

Besides movies are just as offensive as any video game lets not put all the blame on video games.

#165 Posted by forkboy (1161 posts) -

No, nothing offends me in any media because I'm an adult and I can handle things.

People who get "offended" are weak if you ask me, I'm sorry.

What a fucking obnoxious thing to say. "Oh, I'm a desensitised sociopath, everyone else is weak." Nob off.

It is entirely human to feel offended by things which you feel are offensive. It is a completely different issue to demand that products are boycotted, or art is changed to accommodate your tastes. Like I felt uncomfortable with the torture scene in GTA5. It was kind of funny in an awful, dark way, but it was still a nasty thing to actually do. That I didn't write a letter to the editor, or even put down my control and walk away doesn't change that I acknowledge it is a difficult scene and I can sympathise with people who felt it went too far. Or the stylised hyper violence in Hotline Miami, which if you step away from it and consider what you are doing is fucking mad, but is still an extremely compelling gaming experience.

I mean I don't think something should be banned if it contains a moment I find distasteful, but that doesn't change the fact that, yo, I have boundaries. It isn't weak unless you are some kind of Randian sociopath, it is just human to have some fucking empathy.

#166 Posted by clush (425 posts) -

Yay for people conflating "I have never been personally offended because of a game" with "I'm not offended by games because i'm not a stupid child". I think a lot of you should try and be a bit more considerate of people feeling like groups they identify with are being belittled or mishandled, especially if you're a straight white dude who has never actually suffered from that kind of ignorant prejudice. "I'm not a thin-skinned pansy" only goes so far when the most you've been through is being called a nerd on the playground.

Seriously you guys, fuck Flower.

You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. I salute you.

#168 Edited by Danteveli (1191 posts) -

South Park: The Stick of Truth

Its not something I will play after trying out the press preview and I get people may like this kind of stuff. Still I was offended by that abortion crap and some other stuff. But then again I knew it won't be something for me from the moment they have announced it. Other than that I may be offended by how dumb, long and pointless tutorials make me want to not play any game ever again.

#170 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (1082 posts) -

#171 Posted by forkboy (1161 posts) -

Yes, lets not be decent human beings who don't go out of our way to be offensive because Stephen Fry said something once. That's a terrible argument, and it isn't even the first fucking time Stephen Fry, noted scholar (wait, no, he's some guy who was a comedy writer and actor once and now fronts a panel show), has been posted in this thread. Bravo sir.

This is especially funny where if you follow Fry on Twitter you will see him being offended plenty. Reasonably so. He doesn't like, for example, muslim extremists and he finds their decapitation of innocent people in the name of creating terror to be offensive.

So stop it, please. Finding something offensive is not this great big evil. Please differentiate forcing censorship to protect your precious feelings from simple offense. Thank you.

Incidentally, if you didn't find, for example, a rape simulator video game (RapeLay or whatever it is called) offensive then what the fuck is wrong with you?

#172 Posted by chocolaterhinovampire (1292 posts) -

Nope. I have unlimited tolerance when is comes to pretty much everything in entertainment

#173 Posted by chocolaterhinovampire (1292 posts) -

Nope. I have unlimited tolerance when is comes to pretty much everything in entertainment

#174 Posted by NTM (7473 posts) -
#175 Posted by loudgeekjr (20 posts) -

@forkboy Because a rape simulator isn't real.

#176 Posted by joshwent (2281 posts) -

@forkboy Because a rape simulator isn't real.

This is the crucial difference. Fry is a hero of mine, and one of the reasons is that he is utterly passionate and invested in helping victims of real-life atrocities. Finding the Catholic Church offensive for helping to increase AIDS in Africa is legitimate. Being offended by institutionalized homophobia is as well. Hell, being offended if someone on the street yells, "You Suck!" makes a lot of sense.

Being offended by the fictional actions of fictional characters does not.

#177 Posted by Altered_Confusion (197 posts) -

Sure, I've been offended by content in games. I've very open minded, but there are parts of games that are a bit over the top and I feel uncomfortable about where they are taking the game, the scene, the character, etc.

#178 Posted by chocolaterhinovampire (1292 posts) -

Nope. I have unlimited tolerance when is comes to pretty much everything in entertainment

#179 Edited by Dark_Lord_Spam (3387 posts) -

My first impulse was to say "no, not on the scale you mean," but Google tells me "annoyance" and "exasperation" are accepted forms of offense, so I guess I have been.

#180 Posted by Puzzler20 (78 posts) -

The Only Game that Truly offended me was Blackwater for 360 Kinect.

#183 Edited by Dark_Lord_Spam (3387 posts) -
@joshwent said:

@loudgeekjr said:

@forkboy Because a rape simulator isn't real.

This is the crucial difference. Fry is a hero of mine, and one of the reasons is that he is utterly passionate and invested in helping victims of real-life atrocities. Finding the Catholic Church offensive for helping to increase AIDS in Africa is legitimate. Being offended by institutionalized homophobia is as well. Hell, being offended if someone on the street yells, "You Suck!" makes a lot of sense.

Being offended by the fictional actions of fictional characters does not.

Fiction is nothing if not a representation of the creators' minds. That isn't to say they must be held to account for every idea presented therein, but to pretend our media does not in some sense reflect our social mores is to discount ethical reasoning in the creation of said media, and to ultimately weaken that media's ability to affect our intellect and emotions.

#184 Posted by bunnymud (717 posts) -

I have yet to be offended by a game. Never played Rapelay or any school shooting game so I would not know if they were offensive to me.

#185 Posted by bunnymud (717 posts) -

I have yet to be offended by a game. Never played Rapelay or any school shooting game so I would not know if they were offensive to me.

#186 Posted by ManMadeGod (1572 posts) -

Can someone explain what exactly being offended entails?

#187 Posted by joshwent (2281 posts) -

Huh?. I don't even know how to start talking about this. Are you saying that it's immoral for writers to create characters that do things which you'd deem unethical? Is every creator responsible for the actions of pretend people? If every villain in every story isn't justly punished is the author "discounting ethical reasoning"?

Media may or may not reflect "our social mores", it's completely up to the artist. Maybe I'm missing your point, but it sounds like you're saying that fiction should to be held up to some arbitrary ethical standard, which is kind of terrifying.

#188 Posted by clush (425 posts) -

@joshwent said:

Huh?. I don't even know how to start talking about this. Are you saying that it's immoral for writers to create characters that do things which you'd deem unethical? Is every creator responsible for the actions of pretend people? If every villain in every story isn't justly punished is the author "discounting ethical reasoning"?

Media may or may not reflect "our social mores", it's completely up to the artist. Maybe I'm missing your point, but it sounds like you're saying that fiction should to be held up to some arbitrary ethical standard, which is kind of terrifying.

No, he's saying media are, well, a medium for the creators to express ideas, not very different from yelling across the street. Saying said ideas don't matter because 'it's only a book (or game)' is way more terrifying than holding them up to any kind of standard.

#189 Posted by spraynardtatum (3187 posts) -

I like being offended. It makes me feeeeel.

#190 Posted by SingingMenstrual (327 posts) -

I only know the definition of the word 'offended,' but I don't even know what it means (as in I've never experienced it). Sure you experience it with people when someone insults you or something, but the kind of 'entertainment offended' that makes a bloke write a letter to someone? How fucking dumb is that?!

#191 Posted by believer258 (11979 posts) -

@alistercat said:

@falserelic said:

Some people thought I should feel offended by the game because I'm an African-American, but I could care less.

Couldn't. Couldn't care less.

I was in the middle of watching a porno when I posted that comment. I didn't make time to check my errors.

That is just the best fucking excuse ever.

Someone needs to define "offended" here. Some posts seem to be under the assumption that "offended" is anything that puts you off of a game or makes you uncomfortable, and that's happened to me before. The whole ass-shoving thing in South Park really does put me off of the game. I'll probably never play it just because that's too much. The torture scene in GTA V was a little bothersome at first but I can't justify being offended by that when I occasionally make a game of seeing how far I can make someone fly when hitting them with a car.

Others seem to define "offended" as "storming onto the internet to rage about something" and... well, shamefully, there are times where I've raged about tiny things but nothing specifically jumps out at me as an example of a game that I've played offending me. Trash like Custer's Revenge (for its content) or Big Rigs Over the Road Racing (for its lack of finish) sound offensive.

So, in short... no, not really, but probably because I try to avoid things that would really offend me in the first place.

#192 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5839 posts) -

@random45 said:

The only thing that comes to mind is the ending of The Witch's House, a Japanese indie game. That ending was almost distressingly disturbing to me, and I actually couldn't sleep the first night after witnessing it because of how fucking horrid and sadistic it was. I can think of it now just fine, but for like a MONTH after the fact, I tried to purge the damn thing from my mind and never think about it. It's just a really, really, really damn sad HUGE downer ending that just ruined my week.

I wish I were being hyperbolic about it, but man, it seriously did mess me up for a while.

Just looked this up. That's some dark shit.

Reminds me of how uneasy Corpse Party made me feel.

#194 Edited by KentonClay (256 posts) -

No way man, I'm way too much of a hardcore edgy tough broman to have pitiful emotion feelings towards things. I live in the world of LOGIC and TRUTHFACTS, thank you very much, and everybody knows that emotion is the opposite of logic.

Seriously though, I guess I get "offended" in that I find myself frequently rolling my eyes about how aggressively backwards and juvenile video games and "game culture" can be sometimes. I don't know if "offended" or "disappointed" is a better word to describe how I feel, though.

#195 Posted by planetfunksquad (463 posts) -

Fry took that quote back because he realised it was stupid and thoughtless and, in fact, he was in the middle of a fit of bipolar depression when he said it. That quote holds precisely zero merit.

#196 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (1082 posts) -

Fry took that quote back because he realised it was stupid and thoughtless and, in fact, he was in the middle of a fit of bipolar depression when he said it. That quote holds precisely zero merit.

Just because he doesn't agree with it doesn't mean it holds no merit.

#197 Edited by joshwent (2281 posts) -

But what kind of "standard" are you talking about?

I can't think of a good game example, so consider A Game of Thrones. In that book there is a lot of violence and rape perpetrated by a lot of characters. All stuff that I find abhorrent in real life. And although there is that disturbing content in GoT, many of the "villains" are never persecuted or even judged negatively for their crimes. Is George R. R. Martin somehow responsible to enforce your or my ethical standards by ensuring all of those characters are made to pay? Since he is, as you say, expressing ideas, should he not include any of those ideas that we find objectionable actual people do them?

#198 Posted by planetfunksquad (463 posts) -

Just because he doesn't agree with it doesn't mean it holds no merit.

It has nothing to do with him agreeing with it, it was the raving of a man nearing mental break down. He wasn't in a sound state of mind when he said it and upon regaining his composure wrote a long blog about the context surrounding it, i.e. being attacked by people because he had said some fucking offensive things around that time, and apologised. He was doing what all ignorant people do when called out for saying and doing insensitive things; shifting blame onto the offended party.

I should probably answer this thread though huh? Never been offended at a video game as such, probably never will be. But I don't think that being offended is a bad thing and anyone who does is a dick.

#199 Edited by KittyVonDoom (445 posts) -

Comic Jumper.

#200 Edited by DevourerOfTime (409 posts) -

@yukoasho said:

@devoureroftime: That's an illegal amount of percents. Seriously, holy fucking shit, what is it with people bullying aboriginal people?

Bullying is way, way too soft of a word. Outright abuse and subjugation is closer to the truth.

And it's not just the majority abusing the Aboriginal minority. Some Canadian reserves (which is what I know first hand) have incredibly high crime, poverty, and abuse rates within the community. So the abuse is not only external, but cyclical within the internal Aboriginal community.

And that's not even factoring in the quality of living of some reserves that have been classified as (during the time when the term was popular) "third world". In the middle of one of richest countires in the world.

Of course, I'm going off limited first & second hand experience as well as limited research in my free time. I'm far from an expert and may have a few things wrong about the scope and socioeconomic factors. Regardless, it's still a problem. It's still an incredibly sad and unfortunate reality that most of North American society turns a blind eye to.

@forkboy said:

Yes, lets not be decent human beings who don't go out of our way to be offensive because Stephen Fry said something once. That's a terrible argument, and it isn't even the first fucking time Stephen Fry, noted scholar (wait, no, he's some guy who was a comedy writer and actor once and now fronts a panel show), has been posted in this thread. Bravo sir.

This is especially funny where if you follow Fry on Twitter you will see him being offended plenty. Reasonably so. He doesn't like, for example, muslim extremists and he finds their decapitation of innocent people in the name of creating terror to be offensive.

So stop it, please. Finding something offensive is not this great big evil. Please differentiate forcing censorship to protect your precious feelings from simple offense. Thank you.

Incidentally, if you didn't find, for example, a rape simulator video game (RapeLay or whatever it is called) offensive then what the fuck is wrong with you?