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#1 Edited by Terramagi (1158 posts) -
#2 Posted by EXTomar (4952 posts) -

Umm, I don't think it says that at all.

#3 Posted by Bocam (3833 posts) -

Hahahaha

#4 Posted by tourgen (4542 posts) -

man, it's interesting watching what goes in and out of fashion over the years. apparently now the popular pastime is being an arrogant inexperienced idiot on twitter.

#5 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19388 posts) -

@EXTomar said:

Umm, I don't think it says that at all.

#6 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3925 posts) -

Ugh. Stuff like that makes me really want I ignore her.

#7 Posted by JackSukeru (5967 posts) -

I didn't find ICO's sexism irritating at all myself. Yay!

#8 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@TheSouthernDandy said:
Ugh. Stuff like that makes me really want I ignore her.
All ready have. 90% of her tweets make me think its some elaborate troll account. 
#9 Posted by ImaTreee (202 posts) -

@Bocam said:

Hahahaha

#10 Posted by SSully (4343 posts) -

@The_Laughing_Man: Who is this person where they would have been worth following in the first place?

#11 Posted by DarthOrange (3909 posts) -

@RockmanBionics said:

I didn't find ICO's sexism irritating at all myself. Yay!

I actually found it quite entertaining!

#12 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@SSully said:

@The_Laughing_Man: Who is this person where they would have been worth following in the first place?

Its one of those people who gets followers because of the stupid shit they say. Not because anyone really cares what they say. 
#13 Posted by SSully (4343 posts) -

@The_Laughing_Man said:

@SSully said:

@The_Laughing_Man: Who is this person where they would have been worth following in the first place?

Its one of those people who gets followers because of the stupid shit they say. Not because anyone really cares what they say.

Ahhh one of those cases.

#14 Posted by AuthenticM (3806 posts) -

Maybe "sexist" is too powerful of a word in this case, but Ico is most definitely reenforcing the notion that women are helpless and dependant and must be assisted by men in order to do anything. I'm glad she played the game; I look forward to what she has to say in more detail.

Oh, and for the matter, if the Team Ico guy is not sexist, then he is at the very least the most ignorant motherfucker working at Sony.

#15 Posted by Barrock (3553 posts) -

Oh fuck off with that.

#16 Edited by EXTomar (4952 posts) -

Seriously, the tweet is their opinion but there is an problem here: I do think the tweet is worth discussing but the title and post are both misleading where it isn't even irony or hard to see the joke angle.

#17 Posted by stonepawfox (236 posts) -

yeah change post title and op, they're moronic. if this stupid argument has to take place it might as well be free from that as a matter of contention

#18 Posted by Encephalon (1335 posts) -

That's not at all what the tweet is implying.

#19 Posted by Beforet (2934 posts) -

The tweet has some bite to it, but this thread is just dumb and sensational.

#20 Posted by pyromagnestir (4339 posts) -

Well that's just silly.

#21 Posted by IBurningStar (2190 posts) -

I was once at bookstore looking at in the magazine section when a black woman and her child walked up. The mother looks over all the various things on display and then focuses her gaze on an issue of Vibe on the bottom shelf. She then turns to her child and says, "Uh huh, see that, they put the black magazine on the bottom. Racist. What did I tell you?" The magazines were arranged in alphabetical order.   I'm not making it up, that actually happened. That stuck with me too, because I realized that these kinds of people are bad for all of society. They spend their whole life finding things to be offended about and fill the world with anger and hate. 
 
Sometimes they are right, and point out things that do need to be addressed. But more often than not they are making mountains out of molehills and starting stupid arguments.

#22 Posted by Deusx (1910 posts) -

How dumb can she be?

#23 Posted by mosespippy (4478 posts) -

@AuthenticM: No he isn't. He doesn't work at Sony anymore.

#24 Posted by Sergio (2262 posts) -

Yeah.... this is why I didn't bother supporting her kickstarter after I saw some of her other work. While she didn't deserve the more profane comments, I did find it ironic that a lot of her funding came from white knights and she's the "damsel in distress."

#25 Posted by Butano (1790 posts) -

Is this the same person who had that sexism in videogames Kickstarter?

If so, ugh....look what all that money got her.

#26 Posted by AuthenticM (3806 posts) -

@IBurningStar said:

I was once at bookstore looking at in the magazine section when a black woman and her child walked up. The mother looks over all the various things on display and then focuses her gaze on an issue of Vibe on the bottom shelf. She then turns to her child and says, "Uh huh, see that, they put the black magazine on the bottom. Racist. What did I tell you?" The magazines were arranged in alphabetical order. I'm not making it up, that actually happened. That stuck with me too, because I realized that these kinds of people are bad for all of society. They spend their whole life finding things to be offended about and fill the world with anger and hate. Sometimes they are right, and point out things that do need to be addressed. But more often than not they are making mountains out of molehills and starting stupid arguments.

I agree, except that what we have here is not such a scenario. If you cannot see the patriarchy-building in Ico, supported by the sexist claims of Ueda, then I cannot help you.

#27 Posted by ThePaleKing (613 posts) -

@AuthenticM said:

Maybe "sexist" is too powerful of a word in this case, but Ico is most definitely reenforcing the notion that women are helpless and dependant and must be assisted by men in order to do anything. I'm glad she played the game; I look forward to what she has to say in more detail.

Oh, and for the matter, if the Team Ico guy is not sexist, then he is at the very least the most ignorant motherfucker working at Sony.

"the notion that women are helpless and dependant and must be assisted by men in order to do anything.". Wrong, she is helpless because she is a princess who has never fought a battle or had to do anything on her own in her life, her sex is redundant. As for the Last Guardian, considering the period style the game seems to be set in (obviously not actual history, but there is a heavy ancient Greek style to it), what he says is true. Having a girl in pants would clash with the aesthetics of the environment.

#28 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@ThePaleKing said:

@AuthenticM said:

Maybe "sexist" is too powerful of a word in this case, but Ico is most definitely reenforcing the notion that women are helpless and dependant and must be assisted by men in order to do anything. I'm glad she played the game; I look forward to what she has to say in more detail.

Oh, and for the matter, if the Team Ico guy is not sexist, then he is at the very least the most ignorant motherfucker working at Sony.

"the notion that women are helpless and dependant and must be assisted by men in order to do anything.". Wrong, she is helpless because she is a princess who has never fought a battle or had to do anything on her own in her life, her sex is redundant. As for the Last Guardian, considering the period style the game seems to be set in (obviously not actual history, but there is a heavy ancient Greek style to it), what he says is true. Having a girl in pants would clash with the aesthetics of the environment.

Does it matter? No matter what happened in the game the person in charge of that account would still be bitching and whining. They wold dig to find some little reason to call it sexist. 
#29 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

The guy has fucking horns, did she even play the game?

#30 Posted by AuthenticM (3806 posts) -

@ThePaleKing: You're not seeing the full picture. Don't stop at surface details. The in-game reasons of why the girl is what she is are irrevelant.

#31 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

Shadow of the Colossus is worse. I mean, she can't even be bothered to get up. Dude has to carry her to the alter.

#32 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

@AuthenticM said:

@ThePaleKing: You're not seeing the full picture. Don't stop at surface details. The in-game reasons of why the girl is what she is are irrevelant.

lol what? There has to be some kind of hidden message in there? It just can't be a game about a boy escorting a princess?

#33 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

@AuthenticM said:

Maybe "sexist" is too powerful of a word in this case, but Ico is most definitely reenforcing the notion that women are helpless and dependant and must be assisted by men in order to do anything. I'm glad she played the game; I look forward to what she has to say in more detail.

Oh, and for the matter, if the Team Ico guy is not sexist, then he is at the very least the most ignorant motherfucker working at Sony.

It's not reinforcing any such notion. Only depicting a very specific case in which a boy must help a girl. It's like arguing that Miyamoto is sexist because Peach has to constantly be rescued by Mario.

#34 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

It's like arguing that Miyamoto is sexist because Peach has to constantly be rescued by Mario.

Actually, given how often it happens, one could make a case for it. It doesn't exactly help that in the one game where Peach is the protagonist, her major power is emotioning over everything.

#35 Posted by TheHT (11840 posts) -

@AuthenticM said:

@ThePaleKing: You're not seeing the full picture. Don't stop at surface details. The in-game reasons of why the girl is what she is are irrevelant.

Yeah PaleKing. Stop all of that, whaddaya call it, thinking. There are two types of things in the world: things that help break down female stereotypes, and everything else which justs reinforces them.

#36 Posted by Meowshi (2911 posts) -

@The_Laughing_Man said:

@SSully said:

@The_Laughing_Man: Who is this person where they would have been worth following in the first place?

Its one of those people who gets followers because of the stupid shit they say. Not because anyone really cares what they say.

I know it's cool to be dismissive of people you don't agree with, but you do realize that this isn't at all true right? Feminist Frequency is actually really popular. It never would have gotten so much money if it wasn't.

#37 Posted by prestonhedges (1961 posts) -

@ThePaleKing said:

@AuthenticM said:

Maybe "sexist" is too powerful of a word in this case, but Ico is most definitely reenforcing the notion that women are helpless and dependant and must be assisted by men in order to do anything. I'm glad she played the game; I look forward to what she has to say in more detail.

Oh, and for the matter, if the Team Ico guy is not sexist, then he is at the very least the most ignorant motherfucker working at Sony.

"the notion that women are helpless and dependant and must be assisted by men in order to do anything.". Wrong, she is helpless because she is a princess who has never fought a battle or had to do anything on her own in her life, her sex is redundant.

Are you really suggesting the only way this game could be sexist is if her backstory was a literal indictment against all women everywhere? Like, whoop-de-doo, there's a storyline rationalization for why she's helpless. And it's because she's a princess. You know, something only girls can be.

#38 Posted by AuthenticM (3806 posts) -

@Shady: Yes it can. But the problem is that the number of games with such a premise is gargantuesque. How many times have we seen games in which a male protagonist goes out of his way to save a female character who is completely helpless ? All the time. We see this shit all the time. And when a game does have a different premise, most of the time you will be able to find some kind of sexist view of women in the game. So what does this say about the video game industry's views on gender roles and capacities ? Look around you, in the real world. Are all women helpless ? Can't they take care of themselves ? Yes they can, and they can do so just as good as any man can. It's about time the industry grew up.

#39 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@Hailinel said:

It's like arguing that Miyamoto is sexist because Peach has to constantly be rescued by Mario.

Actually, given how often it happens, one could make a case for it. It doesn't exactly help that in the one game where Peach is the protagonist, her major power is emotioning over everything.

In Super Princess Peach, everyone's emotions were crazy, so that argument doesn't really hold up too well.

Peach is the quintessential damsel-in-distress. The characters in the Mario series are all very simple, as though they come from a child's storybook. You have the knight (Mario), the dragon (Bowser), and the princess (Peach). Nintendo has played around with this dynamic to some degree in various games, but this is how the characters are recognized. They aren't meant to be complex characters. Peach is who she has always been, and her role in the Mario series is not indicative of Miyamoto's feelings toward women, or those of anyone else that have ever designed a game with Peach as a character.

#40 Posted by Sergio (2262 posts) -

@Meowshi said:

@The_Laughing_Man said:

@SSully said:

@The_Laughing_Man: Who is this person where they would have been worth following in the first place?

Its one of those people who gets followers because of the stupid shit they say. Not because anyone really cares what they say.

I know it's cool to be dismissive of people you don't agree with, but you do realize that this isn't at all true right? Feminist Frequency is actually really popular. It never would have gotten so much money if it wasn't.

The amount of money she got isn't really indicative of how popular it is. A lot of people backed the kickstarter because of the attacks she was receiving. I don't doubt that she would have reached the amount of funding she was looking for.

#41 Posted by lead_farmer (1041 posts) -

@pyromagnestir said:

Well that's just silly.

Doom comes to fix this thread

#42 Posted by ThunderSlash (1971 posts) -

Wasn't Yorda's mom a badass motherfucking shadow queen?

#NUHUHDUDERSWEAINTDOINGTHISSHITAGAIN

#43 Posted by Slag (4912 posts) -
#44 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Meowshi

@The_Laughing_Man said:

@SSully said:

@The_Laughing_Man: Who is this person where they would have been worth following in the first place?

Its one of those people who gets followers because of the stupid shit they say. Not because anyone really cares what they say.

I know it's cool to be dismissive of people you don't agree with, but you do realize that this isn't at all true right? Feminist Frequency is actually really popular. It never would have gotten so much money if it wasn't.

I am not pushing her off because she's a feminist. Go look at her other tweet. She only
Is popular because some of the crazy shit she says.
#45 Posted by BrockNRolla (1694 posts) -

Which is worse: the person who tweets something stupid? Or the person who interprets the tweet in an even more stupid way and the starts a flame thread about it?

#46 Posted by prestonhedges (1961 posts) -
#47 Posted by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -
@Slag: Well clearly it's trying to send the message that powerful women are something to be vilified.
#48 Posted by Icemael (6364 posts) -

It's totally sexist. That lazy bitch just stood around while Ico had to do all the fucking work!

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#49 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

@AuthenticM said:

@Shady: Yes it can. But the problem is that the number of games with such a premise is gargantuesque. How many times have we seen games in which a male protagonist goes out of his way to save a female character who is completely helpless ? All the time. We see this shit all the time. And when a game does have a different premise, most of the time you will be able to find some kind of sexist view of women in the game. So what does this say about the video game industry's views on gender roles and capacities ? Look around you, in the real world. Are all women helpless ? Can't they take care of themselves ? Yes they can, and they can do so just as good as any man can. It's about time the industry grew up.

I think you're going too far with it in this case (as in this game). When the story is this simplistic, it seems more of an easy way to tailor gameplay. They can't justify a game based around escorting someone if that escortee isn't in some respect powerless. It's more lazy than blatant sexism. At worst it's subtle, which, is a byproduct of the makeup of developers (mostly [white] men). I take more offense when it is blatant. See Metroid: Other M.

#50 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

@BrockNRolla said:

Which is worse: the person who tweets something stupid? Or the person who interprets the tweet in an even more stupid way and the starts a flame thread about it?

I would say they're about the same only one is lazier than the other.