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#51 Posted by Demoskinos (14842 posts) -

@Milkman said:

@Demoskinos

Okay just got to the part where they are arguing about season passes. The one guy gets asked if he would buy a season pass for a Souls game after denouncing season passes in general and he says yes because he likes the developer. WELL DUH DUDE! I'm sure people feel that way about Forza too! So your argument against season passes is super stupid.

Yeah, I feel like that was the one opportunity that Ryan missed to really rip into him because it was just so dumb.

Yeah, its like either buy it or don't or buy the one argument you feel is worth it. The problem here isn't the content its this dumb notion that gamers get in their head that they have to have EVERYTHING or else they don't have a complete product.

#52 Posted by huntad (1940 posts) -

I will only watch this again if Ryan is on the show. He made my day.

#53 Posted by Jrinswand (1709 posts) -

I don't really have time to watch this. I might check it out later. There's something that I have been wanting to know, though. Why do so many people like Tom McShea? I've seen this pop up elsewhere and I've personally never heard of the guy. I tried googling it a little bit and couldn't really come up with any definitive answers, other than that perhaps it's because Skyward Sword a 7.5. That can't possibly have been it, though, because it was universally acknowledged that that game didn't have the same sort of magic as previous entries in the Zelda franchise.

#54 Posted by bibz (35 posts) -

This was awesome. Ryan delivered the same point of view and industry vision thats collated on the bombcast and dropped it onto a show that seems kinda lacking and pandering. It smells like arguments for arguments sake ala fox news stuff, and then they throw in user comments for extra hooks. It's a shining example of why I've never, even with the same people, liked gamespot but love giantbomb. I've often wondered why that was the case, but this was a great insite! I hope the new brass can see the difference between the two and keep them apart. Mcshea seemed a good sport and obviously enjoyed it, the other guy didnt like being called out on his bullshit and got all quiet after it. Clearly this shows the world needs more Ryan Davis. Also, Fuck Ryan Davis.

#55 Posted by Skyrider (351 posts) -

I watched part of it, but was more interested in the comments section. There was a good split between "That Ryan guy was awesome" and "all that swearing made me uncomfortable."

#56 Posted by Ares42 (2675 posts) -

@Jrinswand said:

Why do so many people like Tom McShea?

There's a lot of people that like him ? From what I've heard (albeit not that much) it's quite opposite.

#57 Posted by Ghost_Cat (1441 posts) -

Man, this was rough stuff. I would be surprised if Ryan was invited back for another verbal beatdown.

#58 Posted by RazielCuts (2955 posts) -

(my reaction 30 seconds in) 'Oh no...OH..NO'

The cringe meter, it is rising already. Tom McShea as a frontman, who ever thought that was a good idea? He's too giggling awkward/shy. Also Ryan in there straight away taking command, he is too strong for your weak personalities.

#59 Posted by thebeastwithtwobacks (140 posts) -

@Skyrider said:

I watched part of it, but was more interested in the comments section. There was a good split between "That Ryan guy was awesome" and "all that swearing made me uncomfortable."

I did the same thing. funny to see people getting excited because there was something that wasn't mind numbingly boring on gamespot

#60 Posted by Daiphyer (1337 posts) -

@Ares42 said:

@Jrinswand said:

Why do so many people like Tom McShea?

There's a lot of people that like him ? From what I've heard (albeit not that much) it's quite opposite.

No one likes Tom McShea.

If they said they like Tom McShea, they lied.

#61 Posted by SirOptimusPrime (2010 posts) -

@RazielCuts said:

The cringe meter, it is rising already. Tom McShea as a frontman, who ever thought that was a good idea? He's too giggling awkward/shy. Also Ryan in there straight away taking command, he is too strong for your weak personalities.

Yep, that's probably why Ryan was the go-to host for Whiskey and is for GB. Dude is mad charismatic, and just takes control of situations really well without turning into the weird awkward journalist type. Like this McShea guy, who just kind of sucks.

#62 Posted by mpgeist (611 posts) -

Fuck Ryan Davis...is awesome in this video.

#63 Posted by Jolt92 (1552 posts) -

That thing just made me want Ryan to be more involved in the podcast discussion. Dude's pretty on top of shit.

#64 Posted by Daiphyer (1337 posts) -

I just wanted to add, the only way this video would've been better is if Brown and McShea were wearing Fuck Ryan Davis shirts.

#65 Edited by CaLe (3988 posts) -

Some responses in this thread confirms the 'random internet people are assholes' theory. You can't do anything without people just shitting all over you for even just being who you are. Keep on keepin' on, assholes.

#66 Posted by Maajin (1065 posts) -

@Daiphyer said:

@Ares42 said:

@Jrinswand said:

Why do so many people like Tom McShea?

There's a lot of people that like him ? From what I've heard (albeit not that much) it's quite opposite.

No one likes Tom McShea.

If they said they like Tom McShea, they lied.

I truly like Tom McShea, and I'm not lying. His opinions often don't reflect mine, but he's always entertaining to watch/listen to. In fact, the only person on Gamespot I enjoy more than him is Kevin Van Ord.

#67 Posted by TheHT (11300 posts) -

I watched it last night. It's mostly great! The SteamBox discussion was annoying.

#68 Posted by Mister_V (1297 posts) -

Watched this over the weekend and man Ryan was on fire. I really hope he is right about the steambox stuff. But yeah. a great video.

#69 Posted by Snail (8606 posts) -

Watching Ryan shit on silly opinions is pretty enjoyable.

#70 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

@CaLe said:

Some responses in this thread confirms the 'random internet people are assholes' theory. You can't do anything without people just shitting all over you for even just being who you are. Keep on keepin' on, assholes.

People in real life are assholes. DEAL WITH IT

#71 Edited by beepmachine (618 posts) -

This is a great reminder of why I find pretty much every other game site fucking boring. I can't imagine listening to these two on their own. Dude with the glasses keeps fucking interrupting everyone CONSTANTLY. I feel like you could take any one of the GB guys and put them on any podcast and they would shine.

Best comment on the video: "Okay, the new guy needs to stay. I love him. So entertaining. ;p"

EDIT: I'm surprised at the over sensitivity towards swearing in a lot of the comments on that video. Someone claiming that swearing covers up for bad vocabulary, when Ryan is clearly more well spoken than those guys.

#72 Posted by handlas (2683 posts) -

Not a fan of Tom so this video was great. Thank u. I listened to the Gamestop podcast for about a month and stopped solely because of him. Just dislike his view on things so much. Last one I listened to was him shitting all over Apple and Steve Jobs after he died... call me an Apple fanboy, whatever, but his argument was just terrible. Ill stick with the couple of other gaming podcasts I like instead.

#73 Posted by Sploder (917 posts) -

Ryan's a machine lol. His blank faced destruction was crazy.

#74 Posted by Baal_Sagoth (1261 posts) -

@CaLe said:

We need some kind of tracker for when the Giant Bomb people appear in GameSpot stuff. I miss these easily..

That's what I was thinking!

I'm about 32 minutes into the video right now and I do enjoy my viewing experience quite a bit. Good stuff! I'm glad I got to witness this exchange of ideas. Also, Ryan is absolutely glorious in this. Maybe even a slight notch above his usual much more than respectable level.

#75 Posted by CaLe (3988 posts) -

@TheHumanDove said:

@CaLe said:

Some responses in this thread confirms the 'random internet people are assholes' theory. You can't do anything without people just shitting all over you for even just being who you are. Keep on keepin' on, assholes.

People in real life are assholes. DEAL WITH IT

What's your problem?

#76 Posted by plop1920 (448 posts) -

"You are wrong. Tell me that you are wrong."

Ryan Davis is amazing

#77 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11753 posts) -

@Daiphyer said:

@Ares42 said:

@Jrinswand said:

Why do so many people like Tom McShea?

There's a lot of people that like him ? From what I've heard (albeit not that much) it's quite opposite.

No one likes Tom McShea.

If they said they like Tom McShea, they lied.

This is pretty much true. He's probably the worst part of Gamespot's editorial team and he makes their podcast almost unlistenable sometimes.

#78 Edited by JoeyRavn (4974 posts) -

I started to watch the video just now and, man, it's weird to see Ryan podcasting. Podcast Ryan is not the same as Video Ryan in my mind :(

Edit: Five minutes in and I'm already grinding my teeth. If Blops 2 (or any other "core" game) wasn't on the Wii U, they would be complaining about the lack of "AAA" titles on the platform. Fuck.

#79 Posted by Daneian (1236 posts) -

My favorite part of the steambox argument was in them talking about exclusives. Aren't there a metric shit ton of indie, strategy, first person shooters that are ONLY available on PC? I have to imagine that, regardless of quality, those numbers at least equal to, if not more than, the exclusives that each individual console has. People will still buy the FTL's, the Total War's on steam if they can be pushed to the TV.

#80 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

@CaLe said:

@TheHumanDove said:

@CaLe said:

Some responses in this thread confirms the 'random internet people are assholes' theory. You can't do anything without people just shitting all over you for even just being who you are. Keep on keepin' on, assholes.

People in real life are assholes. DEAL WITH IT

What's your problem?

I'M A GODDDDDDDDDDDD

#81 Posted by csl316 (8696 posts) -

Oh man, need to see.

#82 Posted by Shaka999 (480 posts) -

As soon as I get off work, I'm checking this out. Hopefully this is as good as you're all making it out to be.

#83 Posted by Jrinswand (1709 posts) -

My bad. I meant to ask why people dislike Tom McShea. There's a pretty big difference between the two. LOL.

#84 Posted by churrific (479 posts) -

Quoted for Truth was pretty ok when it had Brendan Sinclair and John Davidson. Too bad they left.

#85 Posted by Turambar (6785 posts) -

@TheHumanDove said:

@CaLe said:

Some responses in this thread confirms the 'random internet people are assholes' theory. You can't do anything without people just shitting all over you for even just being who you are. Keep on keepin' on, assholes.

People in real life are assholes. DEAL WITH IT

No thank you.

#86 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

@Turambar said:

@TheHumanDove said:

@CaLe said:

Some responses in this thread confirms the 'random internet people are assholes' theory. You can't do anything without people just shitting all over you for even just being who you are. Keep on keepin' on, assholes.

People in real life are assholes. DEAL WITH IT

No thank you.

Too bad, you have to. DEAL WITH IT

#87 Posted by Turambar (6785 posts) -

@TheHumanDove said:

@Turambar said:

@TheHumanDove said:

@CaLe said:

Some responses in this thread confirms the 'random internet people are assholes' theory. You can't do anything without people just shitting all over you for even just being who you are. Keep on keepin' on, assholes.

People in real life are assholes. DEAL WITH IT

No thank you.

Too bad, you have to. DEAL WITH IT

I actually don't. I'm amazing like that.

#88 Posted by BraveToaster (12589 posts) -

I like Ryan's assholish persona, he doesn't sugar coat shit and he gets straight to the point.

#89 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

@Turambar said:

@TheHumanDove said:

@Turambar said:

@TheHumanDove said:

@CaLe said:

Some responses in this thread confirms the 'random internet people are assholes' theory. You can't do anything without people just shitting all over you for even just being who you are. Keep on keepin' on, assholes.

People in real life are assholes. DEAL WITH IT

No thank you.

Too bad, you have to. DEAL WITH IT

I actually don't. I'm amazing like that.

I see. Interesting.

#90 Posted by charlie_victor_bravo (1014 posts) -

@BraveToaster said:

I like Ryan's assholish persona, he doesn't sugar coat shit and he gets straight to the point.

This.

#91 Posted by KaneRobot (1618 posts) -

...this wasn't nearly as crazy as I expected after reading the comments here. He dropped a few pointless insults in with his arguments. No big deal.

#92 Posted by Loafsmooch (349 posts) -

The thing with Ryan is he's one of those people who has realized the fact that arguing in a straightforward manner gets him better answers, and a better discussion going on. People are in general way too polite and kind when having a debate or arguing about something, especially in media, and that leads to not getting the best answers out of your "opponent".

Ryans straightforward manner can come across as douchy to people who don't know he is like this, but I appreciate people like him a lot.

#93 Edited by Colourful_Hippie (4352 posts) -

Damn, Ryan tore apart those other guys. It's great seeing someone not pull any punches and just cut through bullshit.

I bet those guys get Fuck Ryan Davis shirts.

#94 Posted by tariqari (431 posts) -

great video but for God's sake, why does Gamespot suck so much? their people are like wanna be gamers.

#95 Posted by wjb (1662 posts) -

I rarely dislike figures of the video game press, but from the handful of content I've seen Tom McShea in, he comes off smug and unlikable. I get the impression he thinks he's more knowledgeable and relevant than he actually is.

I dunno, Gamespot seems like it's been a boring place for the past 5 years. I like and respect Kevin Van Ord and John Davison, and Chris Watters seems like an okay guy, but I find it difficult to get through any of their content even if there's a GB guy being featured.

#96 Posted by wefwefasdf (6729 posts) -

Thanks for posting this! I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

#97 Posted by Red12b (9084 posts) -

@Barrock said:

@Atlas said:

I was nearly falling asleep listening to the two Gamespot guys, then when Ryan jumped in it really kicked the show up several notches; I'm halfway through and I'm enjoying it a fair bit. Weird to see them using that studio for something other than the Whiskey Media/Giant Bomb Radio Show/Call in With Dave.

Also been reading the comments. Much more reasonable and level-headed than I remember GS comments being in the past, and seems like a very warm reception for Ryan's appearance, despite some people having a problem with his swearing and his exuberance. It's actually worked out pretty well having the two sites serving their own audiences so far; Gamespot is like Video Game Facebook, Giant Bomb is like Video Game Reddit. If Giant Bomb guys show up on Gamespot shows I'll definitely watch, but I think that too much cross pollination would probably be bad for Gamespot.

Another comparison; Gamespot as a television show would be aired at 7pm, while Giant Bomb TV would be late night 12am.

EDIT: This is a really good way to demonstrate just how much more personality and charisma the Giant Bomb crew has compared to most other video game journalists; Ryan generally makes better points than the other two guests, but he's also so much more interesting to listen to. Maybe they should get Patrick on one time, maybe people would stop hating on him and would realise he's actually great at his job and a very good fifth man on the crew.

I had to laugh at the guy complaining about swearing and the fact he has a gigantic pair of tits as his profile picture.

Ha! For real?

#98 Posted by Shaka999 (480 posts) -

Just finished, and man, props to Ryan, although I feel like he was a little too harsh on these guys. And as a first time viewer of Todd McShea, I'm not a fan of his style (he was way too passive and seemed too eager to agree with Ryan unconditionally), but no need to jump on & needlessly attack him. Dude's a little socially awkward, so what. If you don't enjoy what he does, then don't read/view it. Simple as that.

#99 Posted by panvixyl (325 posts) -

Blessings be upon you Ryan Davis.

#100 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11753 posts) -

@Shaka999 said:

Just finished, and man, props to Ryan, although I feel like he was a little too harsh on these guys. And as a first time viewer of Todd McShea, I'm not a fan of his style (he was way too passive and seemed too eager to agree with Ryan unconditionally), but no need to jump on & needlessly attack him. Dude's a little socially awkward, so what. If you don't enjoy what he does, then don't read/view it. Simple as that.

He wasn't too bad in this one, but there is plenty of audio or video where him being a smug prick is a bit more evident. Just watch that video with him and the producer of Medal of Honor Warfighter or maybe listen to a few episodes of the podcast to get what people mean when they say they don't care for him.