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#101 Edited by Catarrhal (826 posts) -

@Daiphyer said:

I just wanted to add, the only way this video would've been better is if Brown and McShea were wearing Fuck Ryan Davis shirts.

Maybe next episode… without Ryan Davis. Otherwise, they should not dare.

#102 Posted by RE_Player1 (7558 posts) -

I feel bad for the Gamespot dudes because it's clear they aren't really well informed about anything and than you have Ryan who is very in the know about everything in the industry to some degree. It may seem from a glance that the Giant Bomb crew are a bunch of jokers from the bombcast and general antics but they are pretty much the most informed when it comes to this shit show known as the video game industry,

#103 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (3056 posts) -

I wish they'd do this kind of thing more often on this site. That whole video reminded me why I like the Giant Bomb guys so much, but it's been a while since I've heard them get serious about... well, anything.

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#104 Posted by Spoonman671 (4588 posts) -

Yo, I'm not going to listen to Tom McShea for an hour.

#105 Posted by Jrinswand (1703 posts) -

Ok, I fucked up my question the first time around and I still haven't gotten an answer to what I meant to ask: Why do so many people dislike Tom McShea? It can't just be that he's annoying, can it? I mean, what else is at work there?

#106 Edited by tourgen (4461 posts) -

@tineyoghurt said:

Man, I think Ryan is totally wrong about the "SteamBox". Why would Valve get into Linux if not to build their own system? I think the bearded guy pretty much nailed what it will be (an open source PC that runs "SteamBuntu" by default).

Other than that Ryan was pretty awesome after he got going.

margins are super thin. selling prebuilt PC boxes is a cut-throat business. Even the big guy (Dell) is having serious trouble selling to consumers. Selling prebuilt PC boxes with Unbuntu installed is outright suicide. There is no way in hell Valve is getting into the business of selling linux boxes.

Ryan is right, their unannounced piece of hardware is almost certainly going to be some sort of PC input device or possibly a low-latency streaming box.

Ryan even tried to hand-hold the guy down the logical path - what would that box be? what would be inside it? what could you use it for? exactly what software would run on it? how open would the platform be? The guy just shut down and became even more obstinate. Pretty funny to watch.

#107 Posted by ajamafalous (11944 posts) -

Man, Ryan totally shit all over those guys. Reminds me of why I can't stand any video game shows or podcasts that aren't GB. Everything else just seems so tame, pandering, and uninformed. It's lowest common denominator bullshit.
 
 
I would really enjoy it when Jeff and Ryan would get deep into industry discussion for 30 minutes on the Bombcast in years past. I wish they'd still do that, but I guess that's what Jar Time is for now.

#108 Posted by Shaka999 (466 posts) -

@ArbitraryWater said:

@Shaka999 said:

Just finished, and man, props to Ryan, although I feel like he was a little too harsh on these guys. And as a first time viewer of Todd McShea, I'm not a fan of his style (he was way too passive and seemed too eager to agree with Ryan unconditionally), but no need to jump on & needlessly attack him. Dude's a little socially awkward, so what. If you don't enjoy what he does, then don't read/view it. Simple as that.

He wasn't too bad in this one, but there is plenty of audio or video where him being a smug prick is a bit more evident. Just watch that video with him and the producer of Medal of Honor Warfighter or maybe listen to a few episodes of the podcast to get what people mean when they say they don't care for him.

Alright, I'll check it out sometime if I got nothing else to do. @Jrinswand: See above, I guess.

#109 Posted by TooWalrus (13156 posts) -

Watching it now, I love his bluntness (even if it is often sarcastic). Like, his first input into the debate was like "First off, you people are idiots".

#110 Posted by vikingdeath1 (947 posts) -

Do all current Gamespot staff just come off as lifeless human twitter feeds because I just don't know them top to bottom like I do the Giantbomb staff? I don't know a damn thing about those two guys but they seemed like a prissy overconfident hipster, and an idiot who doesn't understand how businesses work. (Guess who's who!)

Though i'm sure there are some Fine people working over at Gamespot, I only ever want to watch those two again if Ryan Davis is in the room to deliver Sick Burns!

#111 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

@Jrinswand said:

Ok, I fucked up my question the first time around and I still haven't gotten an answer to what I meant to ask: Why do so many people dislike Tom McShea? It can't just be that he's annoying, can it? I mean, what else is at work there?

He stinks. Next question

#112 Posted by wjb (1653 posts) -

@Jrinswand said:

Ok, I fucked up my question the first time around and I still haven't gotten an answer to what I meant to ask: Why do so many people dislike Tom McShea? It can't just be that he's annoying, can it? I mean, what else is at work there?

Like I said already, I'm not a GS regular, but the handful of content I've seen him in, he comes off smug or easily dismissive. I can deal with smugness if the person can back it up, but he always seems like he's in over his head if someone challenges him. Maybe I'm wrong, but from the impression that I get, he seems like the socially awkward guy who works for a major website and his face is constantly out there, so he feels like he has to act a certain way. In the video, Ryan seemed to be more knowledgeable than the other two guys combined.

No big deal because I don't frequent GS at all except for the occasional Van Ord review.

#113 Edited by Jams (2960 posts) -

@tourgen said:

@tineyoghurt said:

Man, I think Ryan is totally wrong about the "SteamBox". Why would Valve get into Linux if not to build their own system? I think the bearded guy pretty much nailed what it will be (an open source PC that runs "SteamBuntu" by default).

Other than that Ryan was pretty awesome after he got going.

margins are super thin. selling prebuilt PC boxes is a cut-throat business. Even the big guy (Dell) is having serious trouble selling to consumers. Selling prebuilt PC boxes with Unbuntu installed is outright suicide. There is no way in hell Valve is getting into the business of selling linux boxes.

Ryan is right, their unannounced piece of hardware is almost certainly going to be some sort of PC input device or possibly a low-latency streaming box.

Ryan even tried to hand-hold the guy down the logical path - what would that box be? what would be inside it? what could you use it for? exactly what software would run on it? how open would the platform be? The guy just shut down and became even more obstinate. Pretty funny to watch.

Exactly! The only thing it could be (in my mind) is an onlive like device. But instead of it going to a warehouse full of computers, it runs over your network and connects to your PC. That way, they aren't competing with themselves. It's the perfect solution to wanting to play your PC games on your TV without all the hassle. Because some people don't want a computer in their living rooms. Some people don't have their computers anywhere near where their TV is. I looked into wireless HDMI and that would solve my problem of being too far away, but then how would I get a mouse, keyboard and controller to work 100 feet away from my computer? Wasn't the OnLive box plus a controller only like $99? That's almost nothing.

The Steam Box could run it's own version of big picture. It would read your games list over your network and when you play one, it'd stream the video and controls to you in the living room. $100 gets you the box and a controller with maybe an HDMI and Cat5e cable. The Steam box will run over your network with a wired or wireless connection, but you should use gigabit Ethernet for best results. The software to run it on your computer is built into Steam already. MILLION BUCKS

#114 Posted by Shaka999 (466 posts) -

@ArbitraryWater: Sorry to spam your inbox, but I'm watching the Warfighter video... ok, now I see what you're talking about. For anyone who cares, click here.

#115 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

@ajamafalous said:

Man, Ryan totally shit all over those guys. Reminds me of why I can't stand any video game shows or podcasts that aren't GB. Everything else just seems so tame, pandering, and uninformed. It's lowest common denominator bullshit. I would really enjoy it when Jeff and Ryan would get deep into industry discussion for 30 minutes on the Bombcast in years past. I wish they'd still do that, but I guess that's what Jar Time is for now.

That's interesting, considering the video linked in this thread is pretty much the antithesis of the Giant Bombcast. What I saw there is far more akin to what Garnett Lee and Jeff Cannata are doing on Weekened Confirmed. It's far more engaging and lends to topics worthy of discussion and debate.

#116 Edited by handlas (2672 posts) -

@vikingdeath1 said:

Do all current Gamespot staff just come off as lifeless human twitter feeds because I just don't know them top to bottom like I do the Giantbomb staff? I don't know a damn thing about those two guys but they seemed like a prissy overconfident hipster, and an idiot who doesn't understand how businesses work. (Guess who's who!)

Though i'm sure there are some Fine people working over at Gamespot, I only ever want to watch those two again if Ryan Davis is in the room to deliver Sick Burns!

mmmm I like Kevin VanOrd and that Chris Watters chap seems fine.

#117 Posted by Portis (1286 posts) -

Watched it awhile back. It was awesome, they need to get Jeff on there too.

#118 Posted by kishinfoulux (2279 posts) -

Why does everyone hate Tom McShea? Just curious. I'm completely indifferent to him since I'm not super familiar with his work.

#119 Posted by Daneian (1226 posts) -

@Shaka999 said:

@ArbitraryWater: Sorry to spam your inbox, but I'm watching the Warfighter video... ok, now I see what you're talking about. For anyone who cares, click here.

Two things I regret: (1) clicking that link and (2) watching that video.

#120 Edited by aceofspudz (937 posts) -

The part at 21 minutes or so when Ryan is calling one of the hosts out on incandescent vita bullshit is brilliant.

Edit: And around 28 when he lances their dreams of a steam console like an infected zit.

#121 Posted by Tennmuerti (8059 posts) -

Ryan spitting hot fire.

50 mins well spent

#122 Posted by csl316 (8370 posts) -

@aceofspudz said:

The part at 21 minutes or so when Ryan is calling one of the hosts out on incandescent vita bullshit is brilliant.

Edit: And around 28 when he lances their dreams of a steam console like an infected zit.

I was just about to post the same thing. Just knocked down Hot Shots Golf.

Poor Tom. He doesn't stand a chance.

#123 Posted by BirdkeeperDan (400 posts) -

I love it when Ryan said he walks out whenever he is asked if he preordered the game. Would love to more people act sensibly to that rediculous and infuriating question. The other guys in video seemed kindof clueless to me.

#124 Posted by ajamafalous (11944 posts) -
@Napalm said:

@ajamafalous said:

Man, Ryan totally shit all over those guys. Reminds me of why I can't stand any video game shows or podcasts that aren't GB. Everything else just seems so tame, pandering, and uninformed. It's lowest common denominator bullshit. I would really enjoy it when Jeff and Ryan would get deep into industry discussion for 30 minutes on the Bombcast in years past. I wish they'd still do that, but I guess that's what Jar Time is for now.

That's interesting, considering the video linked in this thread is pretty much the antithesis of the Giant Bombcast. What I saw there is far more akin to what Garnett Lee and Jeff Cannata are doing on Weekened Confirmed. It's far more engaging and lends to topics worthy of discussion and debate.

I didn't mean it in the 'discussion/debate' format (because I'm personally not at all a fan of it), but more in the way that Jeff and Ryan would sometimes go really deep into what they thought about the direction of the industry and other behind the curtain stuff. I'm five months behind on the Bombcast, though (college'll do that to you), so I'm not sure if they've started getting back into it as a topic of discussion since May, but I feel like it'd been forever since I'd heard them weigh in with opinions like what Ryan did.
#125 Posted by algertman (852 posts) -

Good Lord at that blind Sony fanboy.

#126 Posted by algertman (852 posts) -

@Baillie said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

@CannonGoose said:

@Baillie said:

I honestly cannot stand Tom Mcshea. I would normally say no offence, but it's really not something I can help.

I'm in the same boat.

Was he the dude that was arguing with the Medal of Honor developer around E3 time? That guy was a major dork.

That's him.

It is completely ridiculous that man still has a job. If it's the video I'm thinking of he was horribly unprofessional about the whole thing.

#127 Posted by wjb (1653 posts) -

@ajamafalous: Nope. Have fun with the Summer of Off-Topic Discussion on the Bombcast.

#128 Posted by algertman (852 posts) -

@BirdkeeperDan said:

I love it when Ryan said he walks out whenever he is asked if he preordered the game. Would love to more people act sensibly to that rediculous and infuriating question. The other guys in video seemed kindof clueless to me.

If you walk in a Gamestop on release date of a new game you are a idiot if you get offended or pissed at them asking you that question.

#129 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

@ajamafalous said:

@Napalm said:

@ajamafalous said:

Man, Ryan totally shit all over those guys. Reminds me of why I can't stand any video game shows or podcasts that aren't GB. Everything else just seems so tame, pandering, and uninformed. It's lowest common denominator bullshit. I would really enjoy it when Jeff and Ryan would get deep into industry discussion for 30 minutes on the Bombcast in years past. I wish they'd still do that, but I guess that's what Jar Time is for now.

That's interesting, considering the video linked in this thread is pretty much the antithesis of the Giant Bombcast. What I saw there is far more akin to what Garnett Lee and Jeff Cannata are doing on Weekened Confirmed. It's far more engaging and lends to topics worthy of discussion and debate.

I didn't mean it in the 'discussion/debate' format (because I'm personally not at all a fan of it), but more in the way that Jeff and Ryan would sometimes go really deep into what they thought about the direction of the industry and other behind the curtain stuff. I'm five months behind on the Bombcast, though (college'll do that to you), so I'm not sure if they've started getting back into it as a topic of discussion since May, but I feel like it'd been forever since I'd heard them weigh in with opinions like what Ryan did.

I've been listening to the Bombcast since the beginning, and I've yet to hear this hard-nosed industry opinion that you mention. Yeah, they'll definitely talk about industry trends and what's great, or what's terrible, but what I'm getting at, is you typically don't get this sort of super raw format when it comes to news and challenging opinions. That isn't a bad thing, and I don't want to make it seem like it is. A bit of discussion is what you get on the Bombcast, and that's fine, because there are other outlets for those raw debates.

#130 Posted by csl316 (8370 posts) -

@algertman said:

@Baillie said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

@CannonGoose said:

@Baillie said:

I honestly cannot stand Tom Mcshea. I would normally say no offence, but it's really not something I can help.

I'm in the same boat.

Was he the dude that was arguing with the Medal of Honor developer around E3 time? That guy was a major dork.

That's him.

It is completely ridiculous that man still has a job. If it's the video I'm thinking of he was horribly unprofessional about the whole thing.

That was my first exposure to Tom McShea and it's unfortunately killed my interest in anything he says. My second exposure was Jeff on their podcast catching Tom contradicting himself on Bioware.

Speaking of which, Jeff would be great on this. Grumpy gaming vet toying with the newcomers. Break them in a bit.

#131 Posted by Turambar (6726 posts) -

I went in there expecting some angry staring and yelling.  You guys have left me sorely disappointed.

#132 Edited by Turambar (6726 posts) -
@Napalm said:

@ajamafalous said:

@Napalm said:

@ajamafalous said:

Man, Ryan totally shit all over those guys. Reminds me of why I can't stand any video game shows or podcasts that aren't GB. Everything else just seems so tame, pandering, and uninformed. It's lowest common denominator bullshit. I would really enjoy it when Jeff and Ryan would get deep into industry discussion for 30 minutes on the Bombcast in years past. I wish they'd still do that, but I guess that's what Jar Time is for now.

That's interesting, considering the video linked in this thread is pretty much the antithesis of the Giant Bombcast. What I saw there is far more akin to what Garnett Lee and Jeff Cannata are doing on Weekened Confirmed. It's far more engaging and lends to topics worthy of discussion and debate.

I didn't mean it in the 'discussion/debate' format (because I'm personally not at all a fan of it), but more in the way that Jeff and Ryan would sometimes go really deep into what they thought about the direction of the industry and other behind the curtain stuff. I'm five months behind on the Bombcast, though (college'll do that to you), so I'm not sure if they've started getting back into it as a topic of discussion since May, but I feel like it'd been forever since I'd heard them weigh in with opinions like what Ryan did.

I've been listening to the Bombcast since the beginning, and I've yet to hear this hard-nosed industry opinion that you mention. Yeah, they'll definitely talk about industry trends and what's great, or what's terrible, but what I'm getting at, is you typically don't get this sort of super raw format when it comes to news and challenging opinions. That isn't a bad thing, and I don't want to make it seem like it is. A bit of discussion is what you get on the Bombcast, and that's fine, because there are other outlets for those raw debates.

More than anything else, Jeff and Ryan knows how ultimately lacking their knowledge is in the grand scheme of things.  They are able to form very informed concerns.  But they don't have solutions, and they admit to that every time they say the line "I don't know, because I don't make games."
#133 Posted by ajamafalous (11944 posts) -
@wjb said:

@ajamafalous: Nope. Have fun with the Summer of Off-Topic Discussion on the Bombcast.

Oh man, I can't wait
#134 Posted by Tennmuerti (8059 posts) -

@csl316: link? I tried looking for podcasts on gamespot but it's a fucking mess to navigate

#135 Posted by csl316 (8370 posts) -

@Tennmuerti: Yeah, it's not great but I tracked it down to this page.This one was pretty good, though I haven't checked out the other episodes. Brad was on ep. 4.

#136 Edited by evanbower (1210 posts) -

@Atlas said:

I was nearly falling asleep listening to the two Gamespot guys, then when Ryan jumped in it really kicked the show up several notches; I'm halfway through and I'm enjoying it a fair bit. Weird to see them using that studio for something other than the Whiskey Media/Giant Bomb Radio Show/Call in With Dave.

Also been reading the comments. Much more reasonable and level-headed than I remember GS comments being in the past, and seems like a very warm reception for Ryan's appearance, despite some people having a problem with his swearing and his exuberance. It's actually worked out pretty well having the two sites serving their own audiences so far; Gamespot is like Video Game Facebook, Giant Bomb is like Video Game Reddit. If Giant Bomb guys show up on Gamespot shows I'll definitely watch, but I think that too much cross pollination would probably be bad for Gamespot.

Another comparison; Gamespot as a television show would be aired at 7pm, while Giant Bomb TV would be late night 12am.

EDIT: This is a really good way to demonstrate just how much more personality and charisma the Giant Bomb crew has compared to most other video game journalists; Ryan generally makes better points than the other two guests, but he's also so much more interesting to listen to. Maybe they should get Patrick on one time, maybe people would stop hating on him and would realise he's actually great at his job and a very good fifth man on the crew.

The part about Patrick is spot on. It's very easy to take him for granted when he is just one member of what I consider the best gaming critics going. But if you compare his work to other video game journalism, it's easy to see what an asset he is to the team. (Love you Tricky.)

#137 Edited by evanbower (1210 posts) -

@PeasantAbuse said:

@CannonGoose said:

@Baillie said:

I honestly cannot stand Tom Mcshea. I would normally say no offence, but it's really not something I can help.

I'm in the same boat.

Was he the dude that was arguing with the Medal of Honor developer around E3 time? That guy was a major dork.

Yep, that was him. And yeah, thats what bad video game journalists can get up to when Ryan isn't in the same room to stop them. All of those horrible, out of touch opinions they expressed during that show could easily have ended up as really bad features on Game Spot.

#138 Posted by HerbieBug (4212 posts) -

Ryan's shirt camouflages with the wall. :D

#139 Posted by Matthew (1911 posts) -

@CaLe said:

We need some kind of tracker for when the Giant Bomb people appear in GameSpot stuff. I miss these easily..

Yes. This please.

#140 Posted by iam3green (14390 posts) -

that was pretty good. i was expecting him to be yelling. o well it was good.

#141 Posted by kishinfoulux (2279 posts) -

"Tell me you're wrong"

"TELL ME YOU'RE WRONG!!!!".

Oh Ryan <3

#142 Posted by HerbieBug (4212 posts) -

15 minutes in. Yep, this show is entertaining solely due to Ryan's radiant glow of charisma and truth. ♥

#143 Edited by Apathylad (3066 posts) -

I was pretty indifferent to Tom McShea, but his coverage of the new Medal of Honor game was one of the most painful things I've ever seen. For him to make comments about the trivialization of war but then admit to not playing any of the games was really unprofessional. I was a bit disappointed that he was the first person that appeared in the video. Maybe I'll watch it later. >.>

#144 Posted by HerbieBug (4212 posts) -

"taking advantage of fandom"

What? How? What is that man even trying to say? What does that mean?

#145 Edited by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

Tom McShea status

[X] Told

[X] Bitch made and told

[X] BAH GAWD! IT'S STONE TOLD STEVE AUSTIN

#146 Posted by Undeadpool (4921 posts) -

@TeflonBilly said:

Tom McShea status

[X] Told

[X] Bitch made and told

[X] BAH GAWD! IT'S STONE TOLD STEVE AUSTIN

Oooooh, that third one is making me throw up from laughter a little bit.

#147 Edited by Aegon (5473 posts) -

Looks like Ryan has some yang to say about Dishonored.

@Undeadpool said:

@TeflonBilly said:

Tom McShea status

[X] Told

[X] Bitch made and told

[X] BAH GAWD! IT'S STONE TOLD STEVE AUSTIN

Oooooh, that third one is making me throw up from laughter a little bit.

Other than a Stone Cold Steve Austin reference, I don't get it.

#148 Posted by A_Talking_Donkey (262 posts) -

@HerbieBug said:

"taking advantage of fandom"

What? How? What is that man even trying to say? What does that mean?

That because people are already fans they'll be willing to invest more. It's brand name recognition.

#149 Edited by Little_Socrates (5675 posts) -

@kishinfoulux said:

"Tell me you're wrong"

"TELL ME YOU'RE WRONG!!!!".

Oh Ryan <3

Great video. Ryan tore them UP on the Steam stuff. Not sure he's right about the solution, but I might buy that box for $150-200, and he's way more on base in terms of company ideals. Makes me wanna play some VIDEO GAMES.

EDIT: Also, wait, Ryan, Dishonored might not be good? You're killing me! Are Assassin's Creed and Halo gonna really be the games I'm gonna like this holiday? (X-Com looks great, but I have a feeling it's not for me. Gonna play the demo sometime soon.)

#150 Posted by laussica (181 posts) -

That was fantastic! Thanks for sharing that
Between this and Jeff on gamespot gameplay podcast the boy have really been showing that the guys at gamespot have no idea half the time