Historic inaccuracies in VG

I was playing black ops and there they mentioned that the soviets hired ex nazi rocket scientist to help with their space/rocket program.  
But we all know it was infact USA that hired Nazis to work on theirs the most prominent being Wernher von Braun who later became chief of NASA. 
This bothers me a lot i just feel vg are now too political and spreading too much propaganda. Anybody else encounter anything similiar?

You know, I'd be surprised if NASA hired EVERY ex-Nazi rocket scientist. The Soviets probably got to one or two, right? 
 
Also, the whole, evil plot to take over the world thing in the game probably should have been the give away that it wasn't meant to be accurate. 

Both Russia and the US hired German scientists after WWII.   
 
Also, everything in video games is accurate and actually happened, and you are expected to believe so.  Ice Cube died in Vietnam.

also it talks about how the soviets manipulated a lot of the vietcong actions during the vietnam war, but there was actually much more chinese involvement (while the soviets were still present, but not in numbers as significant as the chinese)

I havent seen any mention anywhere that Soviet hired nazi scientists. 
 
but the USA had operation paperclip which actively searched and hired nazi scientists. 
 
But the game made it out that the soviets were really evil for hiring nazi scientists but at the same time their head of nasa was an ex nazi. 

The AK74 being used while Kennedy is still alive...

@PeasantAbuse said:

Both Russia and the US hired German scientists after WWII. Also, everything in video games is accurate and actually happened, and you are expected to believe so. Ice Cube died in Vietnam.

Also, an evil dictator named M. Bison has been thwarted by a vagabond in a karate gi on multiple occasions.

Actually, it was quite common for former Nazi scientists to go to the Soviet Union after the war. During the Cold War, neither country really cared who worked for them, so long as it gave them the opportunity to surpass the other. Both sides took in large numbers of specialists. You can read a bit about one of the largest emigration of German scientists here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim

@AnimalFather said:

I havent seen any mention anywhere that Soviet hired nazi scientists. but the USA had operation paperclip which actively searched and hired nazi scientists. But the game made it out that the soviets were really evil for hiring nazi scientists but at the same time their head of nasa was an ex nazi.

first of all, why are you going to call of duty for historical accuracy? second, why wouldn't the soviets hire ex nazi scientists?

Yeah, the entire premise of the OP is wrong - both the US and the Soviets recruited former Nazi engineers and scientists to work on their own rocket programs, although the Germans were arguably more prominent in the US program for a longer period - von Braun being the most obvious example.

Also, von Braun was never the head of NASA. He was the Director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in the sixties, then Deputy Associate Administrator for Planning. James Webb was the NASA administrator for most of the time that von Braun was working there.

The USSR snapped up plenty of German rocket scientists. The conditions they worked under tended to be more isolated and workcamp-like, as opposed to Von Braun making appearances in Disney specials, but they were a huge part of the Soviet space program.

So yeah, kind of a funny way to complain about this, but oh well.

But to address the topic, I am trying to think of an inaccuracy that really bugged me in a game, and am coming up dry. Though this is probably due to a general distaste for historical shooters, which I would imagine is where most of the egregious stuff would be.

Actually, MGS3 saying that there is a tropical jungle somewhere in the Soviet Union kinda bugged me, but *shrugs* seems kinda silly to complain about that in the face of Metal Gear's mountain of crazy.

@PeasantAbuse said:

Both Russia and the US hired German scientists after WWII. Also, everything in video games is accurate and actually happened, and you are expected to believe so. Ice Cube died in Vietnam.

Also, an evil dictator named M. Bison has been thwarted by a vagabond in a karate gi on multiple occasions.

In Bioshock they claim that Andrew Ryan established a functioning underwater city in 1946, which is complete bullshit, because Rapture was actually founded in late 1945.

@PeasantAbuse said:

@Hailinel said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

Both Russia and the US hired German scientists after WWII. Also, everything in video games is accurate and actually happened, and you are expected to believe so. Ice Cube died in Vietnam.

Also, an evil dictator named M. Bison has been thwarted by a vagabond in a karate gi on multiple occasions.

I know this was a dark time and i hate to bring it up again, but...

Duuude, too soon man, way too soon. It'll be years before you can mention that without looking like a jerk, you do realize how terrible it was back then, right?

Yes if both sides hired nazis then why did the game make the soviets seem evil for doing so if USA was doing the exact same thing"!!??"?" are people playing slow here are are they infact slow???

@TEHMAXXORZ said:

The AK74 being used while Kennedy is still alive...

That stuff bothered me the most about the game. All the anachronistic technology was really unnecessary.

Yes if both sides hired nazis then why did the game make the soviets seem evil for doing so if USA was doing the exact same thing"!!??"?" are people playing slow here are are they infact slow???

@AnimalFather said:

Yes if both sides hired nazis then why did the game make the soviets seem evil for doing so if USA was doing the exact same thing"!!??"?" are people playing slow here are are they infact slow???

I can only see two options why they would possibly make Russia look bad and not USA. One option, stay with me here, could be because they wanted to make the russians look evil so you had a reason to shoot them or the second option could be that they just took some story and made it even more crazy since that makes for a better game. Don't you think you're taking stories in games a little too serious?

@AnimalFather said:

Yes if both sides hired nazis then why did the game make the soviets seem evil for doing so if USA was doing the exact same thing"!!??"?" are people playing slow here are are they infact slow???

That's not what your first post was addressing. You started out by implying that it was factually inaccurate to say that the Soviets recruited Nazis.

• The AK-74u appears before the AK-74 itself even existed to be based upon.
• The Kiparis only really appeared on the scene as an actual production weapon around the collapse of the Soviet Union.
• The CZ75 appears despite being introduced in 1975, and the game ends in 1970.
• The Makarov in-game is a civilian model, which is historically inaccurate considering soldiers don't use civilian weaponry normally.
• The Hind guns in-game can be controlled by the pilot; they can't in real life.
• The FAMAS in-game is the G2 instead of the F1 which might actually have appeared.
• A 2011 Jeep Wrangler appears in Khe Sanh during the Vietnam War.
• The AK-47 in-game is a composite of a handful of different Kalashnikov based rifles.
• The WA2000 and PSG-1 probably shouldn't fit in the time scale of the game.
• The GAZ Chaika appears as a civilian car in Cuba despite being made in the USSR for senior politicians and / or the KGB.
• The British soldiers didn't pack Tokarev TT-33 pistols because they were going to fight the Russians at the Arctic Circle.
• Ice Cube didn't even fight in Vietnam.
• The Model 1887 is a rather unusual choice of weapon to keep in a Russian labor camp, alongside a minigun.
• Fortunate Son, by CCR, plays before it was even recorded in real life.
• The SPAS-12 appears in a mission in the sixties. It was produced from 1979 onwards.
• The Vietnamese soldiers did not have a Walther WA2000 - probably because it didn't exist at the time.
• The Russians use the Galil. Which did exist at the time... but was a NATO weapon.

 Now... why did we use Call of Duty for its historical accuracy, anyway?

@TEHMAXXORZ said:

The AK74 being used while Kennedy is still alive...

It was an AK-74? That is stupid, and totally avoidable.

@AnimalFather said:

Yes if both sides hired nazis then why did the game make the soviets seem evil for doing so if USA was doing the exact same thing"!!??"?" are people playing slow here are are they infact slow???

Because Black Ops was not attempting to do any form of political commentary.

@PeasantAbuse said:

@Hailinel said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

Both Russia and the US hired German scientists after WWII. Also, everything in video games is accurate and actually happened, and you are expected to believe so. Ice Cube died in Vietnam.

Also, an evil dictator named M. Bison has been thwarted by a vagabond in a karate gi on multiple occasions.

I know this was a dark time and I hate to bring it up again, but...

I see your Mech Hitler and Raise you a Bionic Hitler

@Buzzkill said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

@Hailinel said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

Both Russia and the US hired German scientists after WWII. Also, everything in video games is accurate and actually happened, and you are expected to believe so. Ice Cube died in Vietnam.

Also, an evil dictator named M. Bison has been thwarted by a vagabond in a karate gi on multiple occasions.

I know this was a dark time and I hate to bring it up again, but...

I see your Mech Hitler and Raise you a Bionic Hitler

I see both your bionic hitler and raise you Spear of Longinus wielding Hitler

• The AK-74u appears before the AK-74 itself even existed to be based upon.
• The Kiparis only really appeared on the scene as an actual production weapon around the collapse of the Soviet Union.
• The CZ75 appears despite being introduced in 1975, and the game ends in 1970.
• The Makarov in-game is a civilian model, which is historically inaccurate considering soldiers don't use civilian weaponry normally.
• The Hind guns in-game can be controlled by the pilot; they can't in real life.
• The FAMAS in-game is the G2 instead of the F1 which might actually have appeared.
• A 2011 Jeep Wrangler appears in Khe Sanh during the Vietnam War.
• The AK-47 in-game is a composite of a handful of different Kalashnikov based rifles.
• The WA2000 and PSG-1 probably shouldn't fit in the time scale of the game.
• The GAZ Chaika appears as a civilian car in Cuba despite being made in the USSR for senior politicians and / or the KGB.
• The British soldiers didn't pack Tokarev TT-33 pistols because they were going to fight the Russians at the Arctic Circle.
• Ice Cube didn't even fight in Vietnam.
• The Model 1887 is a rather unusual choice of weapon to keep in a Russian labor camp, alongside a minigun.
• Fortunate Son, by CCR, plays before it was even recorded in real life.
• The SPAS-12 appears in a mission in the sixties. It was produced from 1979 onwards.
• The Vietnamese soldiers did not have a Walther WA2000 - probably because it didn't exist at the time.
• The Russians use the Galil. Which did exist at the time... but was a NATO weapon.

 Now... why did we use Call of Duty for its historical accuracy, anyway?

I'm gonna say Kennedy never fought zombies

To the best of my knowledge, the President of the United States has never been saved by Bad Dudes.

And seriously, drop the soviet/nazi point. You're wrong. Get over it. Desperately clinging to a lost cause doesn't help you.

• Ice Cube didn't even fight in Vietnam.

• Zork was not made until 1980

In God of War, Kratos is clearly shown to be wearing his wristwatch on his right arm, but everybody knows he always used to wear it on his left. In one cutscene he is even shown wearing a Casio, which hadn't even been invented in those days.

@Turambar: Joking aside , is that a Persona 2 game?

@Hilfemaster said:

• Zork was not made until 1980

I'm pretty sure the zombie dual-stick shooter was completely impossible, as well. Call me crazy.

lol. games are fun

@xMP44x said:

• The AK-74u appears before the AK-74 itself even existed to be based upon.
• The CZ75 appears despite being introduced in 1975, and the game ends in 1970.
• The WA2000 and PSG-1 probably shouldn't fit in the time scale of the game.
• Fortunate Son, by CCR, plays before it was even recorded in real life.
• The SPAS-12 appears in a mission in the sixties. It was produced from 1979 onwards.
• The Vietnamese soldiers did not have a Walther WA2000 - probably because it didn't exist at the time.

Add the Steyr Aug to the list of things that are in black ops that didn't exist until years after its timeline

@Aetheldod said:

@Turambar: Joking aside , is that a Persona 2 game?

Yes, its Persona 2: Innocent sin, was never released in the US originally. It'll be out on the PSP in like two weeks.

The Assassin's Creed series full stop.

So my question is, will i be eaten by a Grue or not?

@AnimalFather said:

I was playing black ops and there they mentioned that the soviets hired ex nazi rocket scientist to help with their space/rocket program. But we all know it was infact USA that hired Nazis to work on theirs the most prominent being Wernher von Braun who later became chief of NASA. This bothers me a lot i just feel vg are now too political and spreading too much propaganda. Anybody else encounter anything similiar?

@AnimalFather said:

I havent seen any mention anywhere that Soviet hired nazi scientists. but the USA had operation paperclip which actively searched and hired nazi scientists. But the game made it out that the soviets were really evil for hiring nazi scientists but at the same time their head of nasa was an ex nazi.

@Mechanical_Ape said:

Actually, it was quite common for former Nazi scientists to go to the Soviet Union after the war. During the Cold War, neither country really cared who worked for them, so long as it gave them the opportunity to surpass the other. Both sides took in large numbers of specialists. You can read a bit about one of the largest emigration of German scientists here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim

@AnimalFather said:

Yes if both sides hired nazis then why did the game make the soviets seem evil for doing so if USA was doing the exact same thing"!!??"?" are people playing slow here are are they infact slow???

Remember that time you changed your argument and then pretended you didn't, calling everyone else slow? Good times....

and

@xMP44x said:

• Ice Cube didn't even fight in Vietnam.

That takes balls man

I hear the Nazis were in cahoots with the Giant Enemy Crabs.

I love how this thread started out badly and quickly ended up becoming awesome.

@Quacktastic said:

@xMP44x said:

• Ice Cube didn't even fight in Vietnam.

How dare you.

ICE CUBE IS ETERNAL! That is not dead which can eternal lie!